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This is a discussion on Type 3 - The Achiever within the Type 3 Forum - The Achiever forums, part of the Heart Triad - Types 2,3,4 category; Some (although, admittedly, not too much) of this description is very true, but most of it is just...Eh. The main ...

  1. #11
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    Some (although, admittedly, not too much) of this description is very true, but most of it is just...Eh.

    The main statement of truth:
    Avoid bringing up their past mistakes, focusing on negatives, and talking excessively about the relationship
    Alright. That's utterly true. Also:

    The more I do, the better I feel; the better I feel, the more I do. I have confidence in my abilities. I carry out my projects with purpose and passion. I am self-directed and am always setting new goals for myself. I focus on what an be done rather than on what might go wrong.
    Mmmyep. However...

    Threes with a strong Two wing (3w2) tend to be gregarious, helpful, socially adept, tuned into others, charming, manipulative, possessive, and flattering. They usually happen to be especially people-oriented.
    I'm pretty misanthropic, truth be told.

    Things Threes Would Never Dream of Doing...
    Walking meditatively and slowly up the steps instead of running up three at a time
    Getting an invitation to a prestigious event and not feeling smug that their rivals were not invited
    Failing to mention the prestigious university they graduated from
    Getting excited about getting older
    Not buffing up for their high school reunion
    Meeting their current love's ex and not comparing physiques
    Encouraging their costar to make the speech at the Emmy Awards when only one of them is allowed on the stage
    Allowing more than a fifteen-minute cry over the breakup of their five-year relationship
    This is all very stereotypical and 90% untrue. (Heck, I couldn't skip three steps even if I wanted to. I couldn't even skip one step. Sigh.)

    How to Give Threes Extra Support:
    Though Threes are usually assertive in their professional life, they can use encouragement to be direct and ask for what they want in their personal life
    Support them in developing good friendships
    Encourage them to slow down and relax! Threes are always in a hurry.
    Encourage them to work for causes they believe in
    Encourage them to nurture their inner lives
    Take an interest in their feelings, even when they don't.
    Yeah....No. Especially don't do the last one. Feelings? What feelings? But seriously...no. And this is rather biased toward Sensing Threes, really.

    All in all: meh.



    On a somewhat less focused note...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy View Post
    The internet can not fathom the size of my biceps.


    I also fail to see how deceptive and opportunistic are bad.
    Bahaha! Scruffy as a noob!

  2. #12
    Type 3

    Quote Originally Posted by penpaperaser View Post
    Sorry, but I don't understand. I didn't write the words 'bad reputation' anywhere in my post. Do clarify.
    She is implying that both ENTJs and Type 3's are stereotyped in a somewhat negative way (bad reputation). She was being sarcastic since she is both.

    Vanitas, don't worry... I'm in the same boat. I'm a type 1, but my type 3 was right behind it.

  3. #13
    Type 1

    I think this is more a description of the stereotypical 3-sp/soc or soc/sp variant

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  5. #14

    I'm a 3w4, and I found some disagreements in the what a 3 'would' say about himself:

    ll I accomplish may look easy to others, but I work hard at it. I sometimes have envious thoughts about people who are more successful than I am. I normally try to avoid confrontation.
    Actually, what I accomplish always seem difficult to others. I've heard this many times (: It's not easy with what I can do, I'd like to think if it was easy, I wouldn't do it. I love to be challenged. (Sorry I think this is a bit vain but it's true, I have to put it out there). So my 'originality' shines through as I blend existing ideas from places you can never imagine where I get them from.

    Things Threes Would Never Dream of Doing...
    Walking meditatively and slowly up the steps instead of running up three at a time
    Getting an invitation to a prestigious event and not feeling smug that their rivals were not invited
    Failing to mention the prestigious university they graduated from
    Getting excited about getting older
    Not buffing up for their high school reunion
    Meeting their current love's ex and not comparing physiques
    Encouraging their costar to make the speech at the Emmy Awards when only one of them is allowed on the stage
    Allowing more than a fifteen-minute cry over the breakup of their five-year relationship
    Most of them are fairly true in a way, especially the walking up the stairs... wtf is the point walking up the stairs meditatively and slowly? D:
    This is funny...
    Also, I'd only let myself cry for the guy I loved... which is only one. And I had many relationships before. It was really strange that one of my exs, the guy with long hair, I didn't even cry for him once and we have been going out for 8 months. It's because I never liked him in the first place, and he was a very unstable person and I felt the need to make him stronger. It was a self-less act and my heart turned into stone. When it was ready to break up, he cried for hours, actually he dumped me. Since I was seeing other guys... not cheating on him but just ignoring him. Afterwards, he kept asking for me to be back with him and I didn't. I never loved him and I gave him chances. I guess you can't 'love' everyone, I learned. But the most rewarding thing he said to me was: Phoebe, you made me a stronger and more confident person.
    I went all starry eyed. D: Badass. I just like making people feel better about themselves.

    Also, @penpaperaser
    It's because 3s tend to want people to know they are not competitive but they are... supposedly 'harmless' competitors may move their way up subtly and sneakily. Also, I don't like being analysed sometimes. I value secrecy. (:
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  6. #15
    Type 3w2

    @PhoebeJaspe
    True, true. Though as a 3w2 it's not so much moving up quietly than being afraid that other people might not like me for it...
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  7. #16
    Type 3

    It's weird being and type 3 NF. I have to keep checking my type and function order to make sure there isn't some mistake. I'm all of the above, except feeling successful is tough for me, because I am my own worst critic. I'm never too wealthy, too knowledgeable, or too thin. And though a lot of those qualities instantly translate to me as "winner" lol, I still feel awful whenever I get overly aggressive, or feel the urge to sabotage my competition. And I do get the urge. Lots. It's not easy dominating all the time if you're also so concerned for others' feelings. Never mind having to dissociate the need to play all sides and be popular from the need to be true to myself, treat people fairly, and live a spiritually fulfilling life.

    I do want to be a good person by my own ethical standards, and I try my best not to be abrasive or willful. But sometimes I don't give off the ENFP vibe. I'm not excellent at being genuine, being open, or dealing with real emotions -- mine and others' both. I barely ever let myself cry, even if it's over a sad movie. I am not always capable of being as tolerant as I wish I could be. My best bet is to continue trying hard to gain as much self-awareness as possible, and stop myself from making blunders, hurting people, and being an opportunist just for the heck of it.
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  8. #17
    Type 3

    threes at their worst

    This is deep!! threes at their worst, can someone change or is this just how we are?
    Type Three - The Achiever



    Threes are motivated by the need to be well regarded, successful, productive, and efficient.

    Twos, Threes, and Fours constitute the heart center of the Enneagram. Threes try to be seen in a positive light and tend to focus more of their outer appearance than the way they feel.

    Threes at their BEST are:


    • Energetic
    • Efficient
    • Optimistic
    • Industrious
    • Self-propelled
    • Practical
    • Responsible
    • Empowering
    • Competent

    Threes at their WORST are:


    • Self-centered
    • Pretentious
    • Vain
    • Superficial
    • Vindictive
    • Overly competitive
    • Deceptive
    • Defensive
    • Opportunistic

    What a Three would say about himself:

    "I continually try to live up to my potential and to achieve recognition. I have energy to burn. The more I do, the better I feel; the better I feel, the more I do. I have confidence in my abilities. I carry out my projects with purpose and passion. I am self-directed and am always setting new goals for myself. I focus on what an be done rather than on what might go wrong. I'm a good salesperson; it is easy for me to influence, motivate, and persuade others. Sometimes I sacrifice perfection for efficiency. I like it when people admire my youthfulness and vitality. Work seems to be more important to me than it is to my partner and friends. I tend to avoid heavy talk about feelings. I like to point out to my friends the positive things I've been doing: who I've seen, what's going on at work or at school, my political activities, how my athletic training is going, and so on. Sometimes I do this in subtle or indirect ways. I am very aware of how people respond to me. I am outgoing. I fear getting too close and move on when a relationship starts to become too intimate. I get along well in diverse groups of people. I am efficient, organized, and able to do many tasks at once. All I accomplish may look easy to others, but I work hard at it. I sometimes have envious thoughts about people who are more successful than I am. I normally try to avoid confrontation."
    Wings
    Threes with a strong Two wing (3w2) tend to be gregarious, helpful, socially adept, tuned into others, charming, manipulative, possessive, and flattering. They usually happen to be especially people-oriented.

    Threes with a strong Four wing (3w4)tend to be creative, introspective, private, subdued, intellectually oriented, moody, arrogant, and pretentious. They usually happen to have a strong imagination or a sense of melancholy.

    Occasionally, people present the persona of one of their wings - rather than their actual type - to the outside world.


    Things Threes Would Never Dream of Doing...
    • Walking meditatively and slowly up the steps instead of running up three at a time
    • Getting an invitation to a prestigious event and not feeling smug that their rivals were not invited
    • Failing to mention the prestigious university they graduated from
    • Getting excited about getting older
    • Not buffing up for their high school reunion
    • Meeting their current love's ex and not comparing physiques
    • Encouraging their costar to make the speech at the Emmy Awards when only one of them is allowed on the stage
    • Allowing more than a fifteen-minute cry over the breakup of their five-year relationship
    How to Get Along with Threes:

    • Acknowledge their achievements and success
    • Understand and appreciate that an important way they give to a relationship is through their effort and diligence
    • Realize that they can be ill at ease when not being productive. Leave them alone when they are busy.
    • Give them honest, objective feedback, being very sensitive to their feelings
    • Be aware that they can easily feel judged as being superficial
    • Avoid bringing up their past mistakes, focusing on negatives, and talking excessively about the relationship
    • Work together on common goals. Threes relate best through productive activities.
    • Admire their confidence, optimism, efficiency, and boundless energy
    How to Give Threes Extra Support:
    • Though Threes are usually assertive in their professional life, they can use encouragement to be direct and ask for what they want in their personal life
    • Support them in developing good friendships
    • Encourage them to slow down and relax! Threes are always in a hurry.
    • Encourage them to work for causes they believe in
    • Encourage them to nurture their inner lives
    • Take an interest in their feelings, even when they don't.
    -Excepts from "Are You My Type, Am I Yours?" by Renee Baron & Elizabeth Wagele



    I am by no means an expert, but I do have this book and thought others might find it interesting. There is more info regarding how each type view/relate/get along with the other eight types, and I might add that too, although probably in a separate thread.



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  9. #18
    Type 3

    True, I feel the same way too.

  10. #19
    Type 9

    Quote Originally Posted by Scruffy View Post
    The internet can not fathom the size of my biceps.


    I also fail to see how deceptive and opportunistic are bad.
    I agree that being opportunistic isn't necessarily a bad thing. But being deceptive all the time is definetly not a good thing if you want people to trust you. It wouldn't be very pleasant to find out that someone is decieving you. I guess it depends how serious the deception is and the context.

  11. #20

    I feel like an open book.... xD
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