[Enneagram Type 4] What is a 4w3 like?

What is a 4w3 like?

Hello Guest! Sign up to join the discussion below...
Results 1 to 8 of 8
Thank Tree10Thanks
  • 1 Post By Retrospective
  • 1 Post By joncarllewis
  • 1 Post By Neokortex
  • 2 Post By Lakigigar
  • 2 Post By Satel
  • 1 Post By TheDarknessInTheSnow
  • 1 Post By Kevin Neutron
  • 1 Post By TheDarknessInTheSnow

This is a discussion on What is a 4w3 like? within the Type 4 Forum - The Individualist forums, part of the Heart Triad - Types 2,3,4 category; Hi everyone! I know there are many descriptions on the 4w3 out there, but I wanted to sort of 'verify' ...

  1. #1

    What is a 4w3 like?

    Hi everyone!

    I know there are many descriptions on the 4w3 out there, but I wanted to sort of 'verify' my own take on the type to see if I match this personality type. Please share your own ideas and feel free to tell me if I am way off; I'd like my knowledge to expand.

    I see the 4w3 as a type of opposites: extroversion and introversion go hand in hand. A 4w3 has a rich inner world, they want to be authentic and original, but they have a certain inauthenticity about them (the 3 wing) because they want to appear successful and socially skilled. Due to keeping up this persona, they appear quite extroverted and noticeable, mostly because they can dress extravagantly and can have a 'baroque' word choice and way of expressing themselves. They want to be noticed by others for their uniqueness, but too much attention can be terrifying for the 4w3. They are continuously looking for a balance of being seen and being invisible; being true to themselves and being charming/successful. Can be a very fluid type, adapting to different social situations with ease, using dark humour to accommodate their interlocutor. Underneath the thin varnish layer of competitiveness and good social self esteem, is a person who can be prone to low self esteem and depressing thoughts that creep the darkest corners of their mind. Sometimes only certain of who they are when they are with others, yet feeling a solidity in this ever-changing image of themselves (i.e. finding steadiness in the unsteady).

    I hope this ramble comes a bit close to what a 4w3 can be like. It might be important to add that I identify as an ENFJ. I am aware that ENFJs aren't known to be 4w3, so you can take this MBTI-typing of mine with a grain of salt; I am after all these years still not sure which type I am (pretty sure of using Ni over Ne, though).

    If you are a 4w3, what is your take on the type? And, if you know your MBTI type, could you share that as well please? I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks!
    Kevin Neutron thanked this post.



  2. #2
    Type 4w3

    I recently came to the realization (days ago) that I liked the limelight too much to be a 4w5, yet felt conflicted enough about it to not be a 3. I was asked to perform a song at a memorial service two days ago, for a small crowd. I was at once incredibly thrilled to have been asked and to have had just enough talent to do a decent job, and, on the other hand, incredibly self-conscious and wanting to be completely anonymous and invisible before and after my performance. Although it went well (meaning I got through it without embarrassing myself in my own eyes) I was incredibly conflicted about whether I wanted people to tell me I had done a good job versus treating me like (of course) everybody at the memorial service was incredibly talented and accomplished and so my talent fit in nicely with the talents and accomplishments of the rest of the glittering crowd. I see this as a classic 4w3 attitude! What do others think?

  3. #3
    Type 4w3


    NFJs are usually 2w3s, tho. They want to be authentic to be lovable. But they are not authentic because they do not reveal that they do things, such as pretending to be authentic to be loved. Authenticity is not just telling facts but also revealing true emotions.

    People may have prince-like, snowflake characteristics but that's not 4w3 as a core-fixation but something more like tertiary 4w3 - such as a maladaptive strategy for solving the problems of their actual core-fixes. Some people may go into art and take on this sad persona, dramatizing their childhood, writing heartfelt poetry, when afterwards they'd happily join their friends to a pub crawl. ENFJ, at least the few I've met, seem to me, generally to be gut-oriented people, they're charming, sweet but have this hidden desire for food, material welfare, pompous life (probably are not sexually promiscuous).
    Last edited by Neokortex; 10-11-2018 at 04:53 AM.
    Retrospective thanked this post.

  4. Remove Advertisements
    PersonalityCafe.com
    Advertisements
     

  5. #4
    Type 4w5

    I don't know... I actually found out that descriptions aren't reliable.

    I'm not sure about being an INFP 4w3. It's hard to type myself because i'm quite depressed and social anxiety makes it hard to uncover my true motivations, but i have found out that i'm driven a lot by ambition and a need for success and that's why i could have a three-wing, although i don't really fit the description. What however is really true is that my personality type is prone to contradiction (authentic vs inauthenticity), (introversion vs extroversion (of course i'm now super introverted cause of depression / social anxiety, but when you remove that effect that might be different), and the need for attention and the fear of attention (alternating between blending in and standing out, although i'm not into fashion and i won't use fashion to stand out).

    I might have a five wing though, and my social subtype might cause me to possibly mistype as a 4w3.
    TheDarknessInTheSnow and Retrospective thanked this post.

  6. #5
    Type 4w3

    According to me as an INFP 4w3

    both introversion and extroversion,wanting to achieve something without losing real self/individuality in the process,emotional but also ambitious,seeking external validation to some degree,jealousy of others achievements,creative and wants to show it to the world,perfectionism and possibly self doubt.

    well at least thats what being 4w3 means for me...
    Lakigigar and Retrospective thanked this post.

  7. #6

    I got more Sx 4 vibes from your description than 4w3.

    I'm very introverted as a 4w3, not really competitive, nor socially fluid or confident, and definitely don't employ dark humor. I'm kind of just always battling this search for my individuality, basically to find my truest form, versus the outside voices and societal standards. And it hurts, because I add the shortcomings of my lack of "success" to my underbelly of flaws and as further evidence of my sense of defection. Yet, if I do pursue success, I'm constantly doubting myself and overthinking whether I'm losing myself in the process. From my experience,iIt's kind of a tough combination, especially when 4 is playing the lead. 3w4s are much better at balancing the two.

    I identify as an SEI (ISFp in socionics) and ISFJ in MBTI.
    Last edited by TheDarknessInTheSnow; 11-08-2018 at 04:45 PM.
    Retrospective thanked this post.

  8. #7
    Type 4w3

    My MBTI type is INFP.
    I want to describe 4w3 who have INFP for next keyword.

    Shame - Confident
    Competitive spirit - Understanding(Sympathy-Empathy)
    Passion - Lethargy(Depressed)
    Unique self experrsion

    ..
    Sometimes they can feel less happy than others and can envy their happiness.
    I think it is related to their complex.
    Retrospective thanked this post.

  9. #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Neutron View Post
    My MBTI type is INFP.
    I want to describe 4w3 who have INFP for next keyword.

    Shame - Confident
    Competitive spirit - Understanding(Sympathy-Empathy)
    Passion - Lethargy(Depressed)
    Unique self experrsion

    ..
    Sometimes they can feel less happy than others and can envy their happiness.
    I think it is related to their complex.
    But confidence/competition will manifest more so in a Sx 4 regardless of their wing.
    Retrospective thanked this post.


     

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 68
    Last Post: 03-31-2020, 11:09 AM
  2. [ENTP] What is your current job/ What do you currently study?
    By Dinognar in forum ENTP Forum- The Visionaries
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 08-21-2018, 06:19 AM

Tags for this Thread

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 05:26 AM.
Information provided on the site is meant to complement and not replace any advice or information from a health professional.
© 2014 PersonalityCafe
 

SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0