[Enneagram Type 4] Any 4s battle with their creativity ?

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This is a discussion on Any 4s battle with their creativity ? within the Type 4 Forum - The Individualist forums, part of the Heart Triad - Types 2,3,4 category; 4w5 sx/sp here .... fairly new to the enneagram and very new to this site. i know a lot of ...

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    Type 4

    Any 4s battle with their creativity ?

    4w5 sx/sp here .... fairly new to the enneagram and very new to this site.

    i know a lot of people misidentify as a type 4 but i couldn't be more 4 if i tried. grew up feeling the black sheep of the family, never fit in , highly active fantasy life, obsessive search for self and authenticity... but one thing i constantly battle with is not feeling creative, which makes me feel like a useless 4. i love photography and music, but i find i am so overwhelmed with being authentic/not copying someone else, and failure, embarassment... that i don't even allow myself to create. perhaps this is something that will get better when i am in a healthier state. but it's been a constant battle for me. all i want is to be a creative in some way, but my insecurities make it impossible sometimes.

    are there any other 4s out there that struggle with this? so many posts of 4s seem like creating art is as easy as breathing...
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  2. #2
    Type 4w3

    Just think: if you copied a masterpiece stroke by stroke, you , as a four, would find some way of making that masterpiece your own. Even when we "copy" we each filter what we copy through our own experience. That's everybody--how much more so for a four. And, besides, we copy to learn. The first thing we produce isn't going to be totally "us" anyway until we develop the techniques and muscle memories to express what comes directly from our core. So we practice on things that aren't meant for anyone to see but us. Then, when we're ready to put our "spin" on our chosen field, we will burst forth with something truly original or, at least, truly "us."

  3. #3
    Type 4w5

    Quote Originally Posted by aviree View Post
    but one thing i constantly battle with is not feeling creative, which makes me feel like a useless 4. i love photography and music, but i find i am so overwhelmed with being authentic/not copying someone else, and failure, embarassment... that i don't even allow myself to create.
    YES I absolutely relate to this.

    I especially used to feel like if I was going to create art it had to be completely original. I lost any confidence if I saw another work that seemed at all similar to what I wanted to do or was doing.

    I was so afraid of being predictable/cliche/typical/seeming like my work was a clone of other works, I even would know what kind of influences were in my mind and then I'd deliberately try to NOT let those influences show up in my work.

    The ironic thing is that was such a backwards way to think about it, in reality art is enhanced by being influenced and inspired by other art. In fact most successful creative works are HEAVILY inspired by other works and very derivative.

    However, you know what's kind of interesting? If you look at two different pieces of art done by different people, what you'll notice is that they are NEVER exactly the same.

    A good example... I was watching a show a while ago and I heard that Monet and Renoir used to paint the same views side by side.

     


    La Grenouillere by Renoir:



    La Grenouillere by Monet:





    2 paintings of the EXACT same thing yet completely different. And many people might like the work of one of those painters yet dislike the work of the other. (like, I am taken in by Monet's version a LOT more personally. They evoke such different feelings for me.)

    The thing is, it's really hard for people to truly copy one another in a meaningful way. In a person's creative work, they will always end up imparting into it their own unique signature traits or style. I feel like every person has their own energy that they put into whatever they create. Every creation is unique, every creator is unique.

    And as 4s we are the most unique of anyone, the most original of anyone, without even having to try. Because we have lived unique lives, even if that was just caused by perceiving ourselves as unique and acting different, still, we are VERY unique no matter what we do. Couldn't be unoriginal if we tried.

    So I think those anxieties are just one big distraction. I think ultimately you have to learn to just do what you're doing and not compare. I feel like you have to treat everything you try to create as if it existed in its own little universe and isn't able to be compared to anything else. I don't know if that helps anyone else but I know for me it really does alleviate those anxieties if I think of it that way.
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    Type 4

    Quote Originally Posted by wums View Post
    I feel like you have to treat everything you try to create as if it existed in its own little universe and isn't able to be compared to anything else.
    it's own little universe...i love this. and i thank you so much for your input! as a typical 4, i felt like i MUST be the only one who experiences such difficulty in creating ... it's nice to know i'm not the only one. :)
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    Not usually but on occasion

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    Type 4w5

    I used to until I thought about something somebody said on a writing forum that everything has been done before. So after I thought about that I just said "F that!" and wrote what I wanted to write even if it might look like a ripoff of some other story.

  8. #7
    Type 4w5

    I'm a 4 with 5 wing. IN response to OP's comment, " I find i am so overwhelmed with being authentic/not copying someone else, and failure, embarassment... that i don't even allow myself to create. perhaps this is something that will get better when i am in a healthier state. but it's been a constant battle for me. all i want is to be a creative in some way, but my insecurities make it impossible sometimes"

    What you are referring to is your inner critic, the Superego, which in the Enneatype Four, can be extremely viscious. The 4 with 5 wing has the most potential or greatest predisposition to creativity/originality of all the types, but also the Four is quite possibly the most burdened with a viscious Superego, of all the types. We have the most difficulties with self-criticism and shame. And creative blocks can easily occur as a result of this.

    My struggle with creative blocks has been long. I had to go through many journeys of unfolding and gradual freeing from several levels of self-criticism and repression, until I broke through such blockages. I also had to find which creative avenues most appealed to me.
    There is nothing wrong with not being totally original in one's creativity. The inner voice that says we have to be totally original with everything we do, has to be told to shut the f up. One of the ways to build up one's creativity, actually involves practicing and growing by copying what others have done. FOr instance, copying drawings by great artists, to learn more about drawing. Using techniques recommended by great photographers and even trying to copy some of their ideas, in order to grow as a photographer. Copying or imitating is an important stage in the creative process, and if you really think deeply about it, it's pretty hard to copy someone else exactly. You'll start to see your own hand emerging, your own voice emerging, even as you try to imitate someone else.

    There's a really funny book I recommend to those who are crippled by their Superego, called "F*ck That: An Honest Meditation". For people prone to be dismissive of everything, this isn't the kind of thing they need. But for those who need to get an 11-ton oppressive Superego off their backs, learning to say "F*ck Off" to it, can be very helpful.

    Creativity blossoms best when space is freed up...both physical space, mental space, emotional space, and space free of the viscious inner critic.
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    Type 4w5

    Quote Originally Posted by aviree View Post
    4w5 sx/sp here .... fairly new to the enneagram and very new to this site.

    i know a lot of people misidentify as a type 4 but i couldn't be more 4 if i tried. grew up feeling the black sheep of the family, never fit in , highly active fantasy life, obsessive search for self and authenticity... but one thing i constantly battle with is not feeling creative, which makes me feel like a useless 4. i love photography and music, but i find i am so overwhelmed with being authentic/not copying someone else, and failure, embarassment... that i don't even allow myself to create. perhaps this is something that will get better when i am in a healthier state. but it's been a constant battle for me. all i want is to be a creative in some way, but my insecurities make it impossible sometimes.

    are there any other 4s out there that struggle with this? so many posts of 4s seem like creating art is as easy as breathing...
    I used to create all the time when I was a kid. Then, starting in middle school, I slowly stopped making art. Now I'm realizing I'm incomplete without it. There's a part of me that's missing and it's throwing me off kilter.
    But getting started again has been VERY hard! So although I have a different struggle, one where I know I am talented, but getting the ball rolling is like pushing it uphill. And it's almost because I know I'm talented that it makes it even more of a struggle. I try not to lament over all of the art I didn't make. And all of the years I hauled my art supplies and potential art supplies from place to place as I moved.
    I started off getting a studio (good thing because I've had to move twice since then and not having to move all that stuff has been great). And I haven't really spent much time in their making art, it's been a great retreat for me when I'm in town. Getting really clear with what kind of art I want to do has been very helpful. I decided that beasts and creatures are my muse, and I want to make sculptures of them. Wool and needle felting have been the primary material and technique that I've been using to sculpt because it's portable, I can incorporate other objects into it (like seed pods and other found objects), and I don't have to fire it like clay and risk having it explode. And I'm super creeped out by polymer clay, what's in it and the fumes that come off when you bake it. But needle felting does take a long time. So I'm thinking of incorporating some wet felting techniques into the mix to help me cut some time away from my creatures.
    Next, I found out about a local art show that's taking art submissions from the public, and this one happens to be fiber arts. So having a time frame to finish by and a goal has been helping me stay focused.

    Best of the lucks to my fellow 4s!

  10. #9
    Type 4w5

    As a four, I want to be the most authentic and original creator in the arts, wether in photography, or in writing--I want to entirely original and unique.

    Instead of longing for uniqueness now, I carve my own corner, create my own writer's voice, my own visions. Maybe because I'm only now starting to truly believe in my skills, and my abilities, and my creativity as an artist.


     

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