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This is a discussion on 4-5-9 tritype within the Type 4 Forum - The Individualist forums, part of the Heart Triad - Types 2,3,4 category; I haven't managed to find good, detailed descriptions of this tritype. Does anyone have any such descriptions? So far, I ...

  1. #1
    Type 4w5

    4-5-9 tritype

    I haven't managed to find good, detailed descriptions of this tritype. Does anyone have any such descriptions?

    So far, I have found focusing on my main type more significant, more 'depth' oriented. Tritype seemed a bit superficial, spreading my self-knowledge too thin. But I realise that the depth can be found in the tri-type also.

    For one, I realise how far away from the active, aggressive world a 4-5-9 would be. The depth of the 4, the clear detachment of the 5, and the harmony of the 9 make for a contemplative, mystical, Lao Tse kind of philosopher who probably has a particularly hard time in a fast world.

    Anything else?



  2. #2
    Type 4w5

    I'm not sure if I'm a 469 or a 459...

    But I still lean more towards 459...

    Anyway:

    459
    -Intuitive/Original
    -Knowledgable/Wise
    -Accepting/Peaceful
    -Highly self-aware and reflective, you are very shy, reserved and self-conscious. You need regular quiet time to reflect on your thoughts and emotions. Easily flooded with emotion, it is difficult for you to voice your ideas and feelings to others."
    Source: http://quizlet.com/6224388/enneagram...e-flash-cards/

    I also think this tritype might be the one of the hardest ones to be if not the hardest.... :/ I really hate it. Probably the most 'outsider' tritype...

  3. #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Naidox View Post


    Anyway:

    459
    -Intuitive/Original
    -Knowledgable/Wise
    -Accepting/Peaceful
    -Highly self-aware and reflective, you are very shy, reserved and self-conscious. You need regular quiet time to reflect on your thoughts and emotions. Easily flooded with emotion, it is difficult for you to voice your ideas and feelings to others."
    Source: Enneagram Tritype flashcards | Quizlet

    I also think this tritype might be the one of the hardest ones to be if not the hardest.... :/ I really hate it. Probably the most 'outsider' tritype...
    Thank you for posting this. the boxed material fits me well, even though I do not like to call myself wise, others have.
    and this
    Highly self-aware and reflective, you are very shy, reserved and self-conscious. You need regular quiet time to reflect on your thoughts and emotions. Easily flooded with emotion, it is difficult for you to voice your ideas and feelings to others.

    I can express feelings easily to someone I am comfortable with, someone I am close to. I cannot speak on deep feelings without choking up.
    You say you hate this tritype. I have had a lifetime to reflect on it - and I am at heart a loner. At funerals - and in late middle age that is a fact of life that cannot be escaped - I have to be very careful not to break down. So I grieve in private.
    It is not a life I would have chosen, but it was the life I have. I have few regrets.

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    Type 4w5

    My brother is probably a 3-8-7, which is among the most outgoing, success-oriented of the tritypes I suppose. I'm like the stark opposite of him, being 4-5-9.

    When I'm unhealthy I'd be withdrawn, detached and lazy, as opposed to him, who would be selfish, superficial and too aggressive.

    I feel like I'm beginning to blame all my problems on my type, or tritype. Not a good idea.
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  6. #5
    Type 4w5

    Everything locks me into my own world. It's so easy for me to fall into a particular kind of nihilism as I lose connection to the external and it begins to feel false and contrived. Very unbalanced. Thoughts very disconnected from tangibility since there's such a tenuous connection to the current. Impossible to take the external, to be one with it in the moment, to be a part of it. Even the easy going 9 just compounds everything as it becomes even more overwhelming to deal with. Everything is demanding. Everything is a starting point for the mind to lose itself in emotion, a thought, in a fantasy rather than deciding on what to do. There's a lack of connection to the external, but at the same time a need for 'something' in me which anything outside my inner world can't satisfy, which only makes me even more self focused as I become drenched in my own thoughts for a source of intensity
    I think people really idealize 945 so it's kind of overtyped
    Note, I'm also considering I could be 649 but 549 is more likely

  7. #6
    Type 4w3

    I believe I know one. I should see what he's up to sometime. INFJ, 4w5-5w6-9w1, and SP/SX.

    Like me he has, and fights, the 'eye for perfection.' His biggest outlet seems to be parkour, wherein he's really focused on technique and execution. I'd joined him once or twice. ID'ing the subtypical differences between us is one thing, me being a 4w3.

    As far as tritype...: he has the 4 and 5's confident-perfectionist streak (4 descriptions refer to it as "depth" apparently because it perturbs us to mismatch our confidence, and we try "finding ourselves." 5s are similar, except they respond to a mismatch thru prideful withdrawal, hoarding info to transform the self beyond shortcomings), and he appears to have the 9's tendency to feel security in properness (at least for their own sake), and also the tendency to evaluate the environment (people and the threat they bear). That said, 9's have the same confident-perfectionist streak as 4s and 5s.

    What it could say about a 4-5-9 is that it's chronically careful, which may limit its desire to freestyle without immediately collecting data, especially for its own purposes. One may take minimal help from others when possible (in fact, the 5's pride abiding within may contribute to this tri-type feeling it doesn't need much help in order to become its idea of superior, like 4s often try proving. however 4s and 5s cherry pick from others all the time to rebuild themselves). One may desire to learn something from most experiences in order to add to its feelings of being precise.

    Carrying that over to how I see my friend, as a 4 he's calculating of how he presents himself in order to be of value. As a 5 head fix he's truly perceptive, and quietly insistent on being perceptive. One can tell he's taken time to analyze many details, from whichever ends, when he decides to offer advice. He can be a tad shortsighted, underestimating the good in absorbing details not only from one's own experiences, but from people around, modifying a skill to suit one's own goal. That is my 4-6-9 bias, by the way. 4-7-9s may say to borrow a little, but ultimately keep from being without your own respectable stamp. As a 9 gut fix he's critical of himself and others bypassing propriety, or social graces, and so appears hesitant to bluntly criticize, or overstep his status, but expects the same of others.
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  8. #7
    Type 4w5

    Quote Originally Posted by lycanized View Post
    Everything locks me into my own world. It's so easy for me to fall into a particular kind of nihilism as I lose connection to the external and it begins to feel false and contrived. Very unbalanced. Thoughts very disconnected from tangibility since there's such a tenuous connection to the current. Impossible to take the external, to be one with it in the moment, to be a part of it. Even the easy going 9 just compounds everything as it becomes even more overwhelming to deal with. Everything is demanding. Everything is a starting point for the mind to lose itself in emotion, a thought, in a fantasy rather than deciding on what to do. There's a lack of connection to the external, but at the same time a need for 'something' in me which anything outside my inner world can't satisfy, which only makes me even more self focused as I become drenched in my own thoughts for a source of intensity
    I think people really idealize 945 so it's kind of overtyped
    Note, I'm also considering I could be 649 but 549 is more likely
    I relate to all of this so much, my stomach is twisting. It's gotten less intense as I've gotten older but I've been there and often still am. Especially the part in bold.
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  9. #8

    Quote Originally Posted by faizafaiz View Post
    My brother is probably a 3-8-7, which is among the most outgoing, success-oriented of the tritypes I suppose. I'm like the stark opposite of him, being 4-5-9.

    When I'm unhealthy I'd be withdrawn, detached and lazy, as opposed to him, who would be selfish, superficial and too aggressive.

    I feel like I'm beginning to blame all my problems on my type, or tritype. Not a good idea.
    Triple Aggressive and Triple Withdrawn. Two exact opposites.

  10. #9

    I'm an INFJ 4w3/5w4/9w1 SP/SX.

    One would assume, I think, that I would be terribly shy and introverted in behavior, but I truly am an outgoing type as well. I don't have a problem with expressing my emotions, in fact I'm quite good at it. I think it's more a question of which situation I'm in and at what depth I want to express. I wouldn't start talking about my feelings at a party or to completely superficial people.
    However, I do greatly appreciate that I have my own apartment, 'cause I get to choose when I want to socialize and when I want to withdraw. After a fun weekend, I usually spend most of my time home by myself. I need that to reflect, withdraw and sort of process everything that is going on in my mental landscape.

    Right now I'm visiting my boyfriend who I receny started dating, and he has two roommates. So because I live a few hours away, we spend all day together. And I definitely feel that it's taking its toll on me. When he's at work, I'm still not alone. The only alone time I have is when I'm outside having a cigarette. That's not enough alone time.

    I can definitely feel the influence of my tritype, because without that option of getting to isolate myself, focus on my inner world and my emotions and to reflect, I start becoming increasingly nervous, emotional and sort of out of touch with the usually sane, calm and emotionally collected person I really am (outwardly at least). Now that my ability to withdraw has been removed, I've sorta lost my sense of humor and my inner world of starts bleeding out of me. I constantly wanna talk about things, but usually I'm a lot more easy-going and humorous. When I can't be deep and reflective by myself, it sort of starts slipping out of me and I feel a loss of control over myself. I love to discuss and share my inner thoughts with those close to me, but when you're just trying to relax and enjoy each other's company, it becomes distracting and can very much be a nuisance. That feeling of losing control over your inner world I think can be a struggle for people with our tritype.

    Anyways, I thought I'd add some practical insight into what a 4-5-9 tritype might be like under certain circumstances, maybe you guys can relate to or understand where I'm coming from.
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