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    ps : there is great chance bob marley was ISTp 9, or ENFp 7 with a 9 somewhere. But that's always difficult to judge with these kind of stoner.
    Yeah, I may have spoke to soon on the Bob Marley. I just think it's very loving and from the heart, is why I mentioned the 4 possibility. The first impression I get from his music/message is love. Also, he's an artist, his work was very important to him, he displayed a great deal of passion despite the world around him, and had very determined words. I didn't mean that to sound like an absolute judgment mainly I saw that he shone when he talked about love. That's not exclusive to any type of course. When I get an impression like that my mind wanders to the heart triad.

    “Only once in your life, I truly believe, you find someone who can completely turn your world around. You tell them things that you’ve never shared with another soul and they absorb everything you say and actually want to hear more. You share hopes for the future, dreams that will never come true, goals that were never achieved and the many disappointments life has thrown at you. When something wonderful happens, you can’t wait to tell them about it, knowing they will share in your excitement. They are not embarrassed to cry with you when you are hurting or laugh with you when you make a fool of yourself. Never do they hurt your feelings or make you feel like you are not good enough, but rather they build you up and show you the things about yourself that make you special and even beautiful. There is never any pressure, jealousy or competition but only a quiet calmness when they are around. You can be yourself and not worry about what they will think of you because they love you for who you are. The things that seem insignificant to most people such as a note, song or walk become invaluable treasures kept safe in your heart to cherish forever. Memories of your childhood come back and are so clear and vivid it’s like being young again. Colours seem brighter and more brilliant. Laughter seems part of daily life where before it was infrequent or didn’t exist at all. A phone call or two during the day helps to get you through a long day’s work and always brings a smile to your face. In their presence, there’s no need for continuous conversation, but you find you’re quite content in just having them nearby. Things that never interested you before become fascinating because you know they are important to this person who is so special to you. You think of this person on every occasion and in everything you do. Simple things bring them to mind like a pale blue sky, gentle wind or even a storm cloud on the horizon. You open your heart knowing that there’s a chance it may be broken one day and in opening your heart, you experience a love and joy that you never dreamed possible. You find that being vulnerable is the only way to allow your heart to feel true pleasure that’s so real it scares you. You find strength in knowing you have a true friend and possibly a soul mate who will remain loyal to the end. Life seems completely different, exciting and worthwhile. Your only hope and security is in knowing that they are a part of your life.”
    Bob Marley
    Here's a really good documentary about him. I'm 55 minutes through it so far. They have clips of him talking and of those close to him and lots of neat information.

    Rebel Music: The Bob Marley Story | Silence Nogood

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rim View Post
    When I read that my heart skipped a bit....you are so damn wrong. Boring is painful (I can't stand boredom and normal crap) and to be refereed to as a boring and normal person...is an insult. At least it feels like an insult to me. For some reason reading that got me reactive. (maybe its the 7 wing...:S I like to avoid boredom and being deprived every chance I get!)

    I don't quite understand why, but for me personally it carries the same weight as being called wrong, dumb, incompetent and so on. To be ordinary is a depressing and infuriating thing indeed.

    I do agree with being a TJ -ish version of INFP (as far as it refers to Te and not lack of Pe tendencies. I tend to be as chaotic as ENFPs). As for me I'd add being confrontational, highly reactive and addicted to emotional highs, limit situations. I'm a bit more extroverted, thou not socially extroverted, then other INFPs (or so I see it).

    Imo nobody is boring and normal, everyone is fucked up in some way, certain people are just fucked up in a more interesting way then others. Its a question of digging deep enough imo.

    ^^ read mah signature.
    I agree that being called boring would be a really big insult for me.

  3. #23
    Type 6w5

    I was actually reading something today that said that it is obvious that a person isnt a 4 and is likely a 6 when they are very concerned with the world outside or them and those outside of them. Like it has already been determined, 4s are too self absorbed and mainly focused on their own self/image/emotions/inner landscape to have left over time to be concerned with stuff that goes on outside of them. 6s on the other hand are naturally inclined to care about things around them. They are aware and concerned (to some degree) of the world around them. They actively seek out to effect the world around them. And are way more other oriented (other not necessarily meaning people) than 4s. I think it has to do with being a superego type.

    This has certainly been true for the 4s I've met thus far in life. The level of self absorption that 4s exhibit (from my perspective) is fucking ridiculous.

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  5. #24
    Type 4

    Quote Originally Posted by Chipps View Post
    They actively seek out to effect the world around them.
    An introverted 6 may not seek to do this. But yes I do imagine that a 6 is more concerned with things outside of themselves because they are seeking the security that they are not finding from within and trying to find it externally. That being said I don't think the 4 is as oblivious as it is often is implied but yeah 4's define themselves on the inside and already know/are aware of what is inside them. That is what is real to them, they are assured in who they are. I would say 4's do at some extent care about the outside world, they want their interior to matter in someway externally which is why you get the outward manifestations of them being "different".
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  6. #25

    Quote Originally Posted by Rim View Post
    Which was followed by stuff like this:

    When 4's are unhealthy they are boring snobs.
    When 6's are unhealthy you hate them.

    6's move the emotions of others 100% more than 4's....with out even trying.

    4's fall back on shock value or with draw. If they poor their failure into creation, those creations can move people, yet they themself are still boring snobs or over done shock drama.

    NF 6's live a much richer life of emotion than 4's on the whole. 4's will nurse the same emotions for years. NF 6's LIVE a world of many many deep emotions.

    Really it is better to be a NF 6 than a 4. imo

    NF 6's can really connect with people.

    4's are so self absorbed they fail to understand others on any deep level....although they will spend years nursing the emotions the others invoked in them.

    sx first 4's come close to nf 6's on the emotional gutting Ability. although once again the 'hurt' is found in the creations not the person. The 4 them self just makes you want to roll your eyes at them when they are unhealthy. (An unhealthy 4 is platitudinous and pompous...yawn)
    What pretentious shit LOL. Looks like someone has the sour grapes attitude towards type 4.

    NF 6s are awesome, of course, and I don't think they're more or less deep, emotional, and complex than NF 4s. It's mostly about individual capacities. The difference between 4 and 6 is not a fucking pissing contest who is more speshul and deep and has "a much richer life of emotions". If people want to destroy 6 stereotypes, spreading 4 stereotypes is not the best way to do that, yes?
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