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This is a discussion on Dissapointing Authority? within the Type 6 Forum - The Loyalist forums, part of the Head Triad - Types 5,6,7 category; I read a description about Sixes and authority, that I didn't relate to at all: "Sixes become depressed when they ...

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    Dissapointing Authority?

    I read a description about Sixes and authority, that I didn't relate to at all:

    "Sixes become depressed when they fear that they have done something to make their authority figure mad at them. Their depression is a response to their self-disparagement; it comes from the fear that the authority is angry with them and will punish them. Thus, the depression of Sixes is exogenous (coming from the outside) and can be relieved by a word of reassurance from the authority. "

    Do you all feel the need to please authority?

    I think I am quite the opposite. I pretty much move how I want to move with little to no thought about how it will affect "authority" most of the time. I know people who do take their parent's judgements or other authority figures views into extreme consideration and I am far from that. Maybe that's why I get type 4 so often, since I'm so focused on self and dissapointing ME before anyone else. I understand that is a major 4 charectaristic just from reading the descriptions, they seem very concerned with self first.
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    Do you feel that you are an integrating 6 moving towards 9? I think that would lessen the affect.

    I think counter-phobic 6s may also not respond as strongly to this.

    Just to add, when I get anxious or depressed, I often have spontaneous day dreams about being wronged by a law enforcement officer. It's normally something like me getting a speeding ticket when I wasn't speeding and it's his word against mine. This normally signifies that I'm wrong about something. = )

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    Quote Originally Posted by EmotionallyTonedGeometry View Post
    I think counter-phobic 6s may also not respond as strongly to this.
    Most descriptions I read tend to be oriented to the phobic SJ varieties.

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    I think the only way I can relate to this description is by being very loose with my definition of "authority."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EmotionallyTonedGeometry View Post
    Do you feel that you are an integrating 6 moving towards 9? I think that would lessen the affect.

    I think counter-phobic 6s may also not respond as strongly to this.

    Just to add, when I get anxious or depressed, I often have spontaneous day dreams about being wronged by a law enforcement officer. It's normally something like me getting a speeding ticket when I wasn't speeding and it's his word against mine. This normally signifies that I'm wrong about something. = )



    I have no authority issues but I do relate to almost everything else that has to do with type 6.

    I believe I'm a 4-6-9 tri-type.
    To be specific 6w7 4w3 and 9w8

    I'm not sure what you mean by "do you feel that you are an integrating 6 moving towards 9?".
    Do you mind explaining this question further because I don't think I answered it correctly.
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    I can only exist day to day without the concept of authority. We are all brethren. We are all colleagues. I appreciate when everyone accepts me as so. But when authority is pissed off at me it drives crazy. Don't hate me!!!
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    Sure. You're aware of the directions of integration and disintegration, right? For a six, integration goes to 9 and disintegration goes to 3. The way I understand it, 6s become very altruistic and self-less as they emulate 9s and very stubborn and selfish at 3. These issues with authority seem to compound at 3 and abate at 9. I'm not trying to make judgments about your character here, I'm just proposing a theory.

    Quote Originally Posted by pageofadiary View Post
    I have no authority issues but I do relate to almost everything else that has to do with type 6.

    I believe I'm a 4-6-9 tri-type.
    To be specific 6w7 4w3 and 9w8

    I'm not sure what you mean by "do you feel that you are an integrating 6 moving towards 9?".
    Do you mind explaining this question further because I don't think I answered it correctly.

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    Type 6

    Quote Originally Posted by pageofadiary View Post
    "Sixes become depressed when they fear that they have done something to make their authority figure mad at them. Their depression is a response to their self-disparagement; it comes from the fear that the authority is angry with them and will punish them. Thus, the depression of Sixes is exogenous (coming from the outside) and can be relieved by a word of reassurance from the authority. "

    Do you all feel the need to please authority?

    I think I am quite the opposite. I pretty much move how I want to move with little to no thought about how it will affect "authority" most of the time. I know people who do take their parent's judgements or other authority figures views into extreme consideration and I am far from that. Maybe that's why I get type 4 so often, since I'm so focused on self and dissapointing ME before anyone else.
    I am an unhealthy phobic six, and this quote resonates with me. A lot.
    The only explanation that I can think of, is that maybe this is oriented towards social sixes (y'know... instinctual variants?)?
    I definitely have a problem with the parental authority figure thing. I am 19 (almost 20), and I still live at home (with a younger sister and brother) while I am going to college. The job market is horrible right now (especially for college students without work study!), but my parents keep pushing and pushing for me to get a job. They keep pushing and pushing in other areas too (money spending, household chores, driving bro and sis around), and their constant pressure (for about 8 months now) has gotten me into this horrible depression. They give me more and more ultimatums, and I just push back and resist harder. I KNOW I am getting myself into trouble- I know it is hurting me. But I don't know what else do to... I feel like I am setting myself up for failure, but it is a failure that I can control.
    Sometimes I am even counter-phobic in my phobic-ness. I give up completely, and I stop doing EVERYTHING. I just stop living. I don't eat, I go to class but I don't pay attention- I am on auto-pilot. But in doing that, I am making it so much harder for myself. I am digging a hole that now seems impossible to get out of. *sigh*
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    Quote Originally Posted by nosilla View Post
    I am an unhealthy phobic six, and this quote resonates with me. A lot.
    The only explanation that I can think of, is that maybe this is oriented towards social sixes (y'know... instinctual variants?)?
    I definitely have a problem with the parental authority figure thing. I am 19 (almost 20), and I still live at home (with a younger sister and brother) while I am going to college. The job market is horrible right now (especially for college students without work study!), but my parents keep pushing and pushing for me to get a job. They keep pushing and pushing in other areas too (money spending, household chores, driving bro and sis around), and their constant pressure (for about 8 months now) has gotten me into this horrible depression. They give me more and more ultimatums, and I just push back and resist harder. I KNOW I am getting myself into trouble- I know it is hurting me. But I don't know what else do to... I feel like I am setting myself up for failure, but it is a failure that I can control.
    Sometimes I am even counter-phobic in my phobic-ness. I give up completely, and I stop doing EVERYTHING. I just stop living. I don't eat, I go to class but I don't pay attention- I am on auto-pilot. But in doing that, I am making it so much harder for myself. I am digging a hole that now seems impossible to get out of. *sigh*
    I too am afraid of letting paretnal authorities down. Its like my personality have this vision of myself as not afraid of anything and so on.. but deep down Iam so afraid of letting down a person I look up to . Sometimes/often I have either worried the heck out myself or giving up something I thougt was important to please some authority. But most times idoing in my own style in all areas but it most always gives a bad result of not listening to yourself and do something that dosnt jibe well what you think is good etc. I havent mastered this offcourse myself at all times by no means but nossilla! I recognize some parts of my own life and I think your own plans/intentions are very important and not let any other authorities change that. It might also be a part of growing up..

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    Type 6w7

    Quote Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
    I think the only way I can relate to this description is by being very loose with my definition of "authority."
    me too.

    i read something recently about 6 being a superego type - the superego being a sort of "conscience" - the part of us that deals with shoulds and should nots. besides a lot of strange sexual stuff freud says, basically the superego is an internalization of the values of our parents or other parental figures, resulting from strong identification with them (or i suppose the opposite - a strong rejection of the values of our parents or parental figures, resulting from strong disidentification with them). it develops in the first few years of our lives, and it can include influences of other role model figures and ideals as well. socially, it provides us with a sense of ethics, and personally, the superego is the part of us that seeks "perfection".

    i had a little bit of an emotional spat a couple of months ago because i hated what was going on in my life - i've graduated, but haven't been able to get the sort of job i was hoping for. i'm a wage slave right now, basically. my job isn't anything i'd be proud to talk about (and i hate that). my dad has been quite probing about when i would get a job (had one earlier in the year, but it was temporary), who i'd applied with, who i've interviewed with, etc., and eventually i got fed up with it, because it felt like he was harping on my inability to live up to standards every time he brought it up. well, my mom called me to talk, and i explained that to her, and she said that wasn't what he meant at all - he was just curious - and that the only one whose standards i wasn't living up to was my own.

    so i think that's fascinating, really, in the context of 6. it's the creation of the "subcommittee in your head" i've heard referred to before - i was so concerned with living up to my own superego that i didn't even realize that my superego and reality didn't match up. and, of course, it was hell on my ego.

    i'm sx/so tritype 369, btw, which may put this in greater perspective. 6w7-3w4-9w8.
    Last edited by angelfish; 05-28-2011 at 08:24 PM. Reason: added variant
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