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  1. #1
    Type 4w5

    Seven subtypes Acccording to Beatrice Chestnut

    There is a thread of the three subtypes of seven according to Riso & Hudson here but I'd like to post Chestnut as she elaborates a little more. You can buy her book here.

    The Three Sevens each represent a different way of expressing or responding to the passion of gluttony. The Self Preservation Seven finds security through a gluttonous search for pleasure, satisfying opportunities,
    and cultivating a network of allies. The Social Seven expresses a kind of anti-gluttony by being of
    service to others. The Sexual Seven channels gluttony into an idealistic search for the ultimate
    relationship and the best imaginable experiences.

    The Self-Preservation Seven: “Keeper of the Castle”

    Self-Preservation Sevens express gluttony through the formation of alliances. They typically collect
    around them a kind of family network, in the sense of banding together with trusted others and
    creating a good “mafia” or partisan group through which they can get their needs met. They rely
    mostly on those they trust. These Sevens create a kind of surrogate family of people they value—a
    family in which they typically occupy a privileged position.

    These Sevens are very practical, good at networking, and skilled at getting what they want and
    finding a good deal; they tend to be opportunistic, self-interested, pragmatic, calculating, and clever.
    They readily recognize opportunities for creating an advantage for themselves. In this way, Naranjo
    explains, gluttony expresses itself in the Self-Preservation Seven in an excessive concern with making
    a good deal at every opportunity.

    Self-Preservation Sevens always have their nose to the wind for good opportunities. They find
    ways to get what they need and want, and they have an easy way of finding pathways to making things
    happen for themselves—whether it’s finding the right people, the most advantageous connections, or
    a fortuitous career opportunity. They have their ears to the ground and are socially adept.
    These Sevens make business connections and network easily because they are alert and mindful to
    the opportunities that come along that can support their survival. They hold the position that if you are
    not alert to opportunities, you will lose out. This Self-Preservation theme is expressed well in the
    proverb “The alligator that sleeps becomes a bag.” There’s an element of self-interest in the alliances
    the Self-Preservation Seven makes that may or may not be denied by (or unconscious in) someone
    with this subtype. Naranjo says there is a kind of reciprocal interest in these relationships, expressed
    in the idea that “I will serve thee, and thou will serve me.” On the low side of this kind of
    arrangement, an element of corruption can be present.

    Stylistically, Self-Preservation Sevens are cheerful and amiable, with traits that resemble a
    hedonistic, “playboy” or “playgirl” type. They tend to be warm, friendly, and talkative. (They love to
    talk.) They can express a kind of greed and impatience that reflects their desire to consume as many
    pleasurable experiences as possible; they want to eat everything. They expend a lot of energy on
    controlling everything, handling things without being noticed. And most of the time, they get away
    with getting what they want.

    The dominant traits of the Self-Preservation Seven subtype stand out as a love of pleasure and a
    self-interested focus on getting what they need to feel secure. In seeking security, however, they can
    often confuse desires with needs. These are people who usually feel a need to have a lot of resources,
    including money and other supplies that support survival, and they may panic if they feel a sense of
    scarcity.

    According to Naranjo, the three main fixations of the Self-Preservation Sevens are strategy,
    rebellion, and isolation, though it may be hard to see these characters as isolated because they tend to
    be very popular. But their strategic and mental nature, together with the prominence of their selfinterest,
    can isolate them from others at a deeper level.

    Self-Preservation Sevens cultivate a sense of being kind and generous—they like to feel that
    everyone depends on them. They may feel omnipotent and they may sometimes use people. They may
    also feel that normal rules don’t apply to them—that for them, there is no law, and they can do what
    they please. This kind of assertion of their freedom and their ability to do whatever they need to do to
    support their self-interest helps them feel safer in the world.

    Self-Preservation Sevens’ desire for pleasure and hedonistic self-indulgence can sometimes be
    seen as a kind of retroactive compulsion to return to the womb—they dedicate their lives to the
    pursuit of a kind of primordial or utopian paradise state of perfect pleasure. In pursuing positive and
    stimulating experiences, they may use sex, food, and drink as an escape from the more difficult parts
    of life.

    The Self-Preservation Seven and the Sexual Seven should be easy to tell apart, as they represent
    two opposite ends of a continuum, from pragmatic and materialistic (Self-Preservation) to idealistic
    and ethereal (Sexual). The Self-Preservation subtype is more earthy and sensuous—more gluttonous
    in the literal sense of the word—while the Sexual Seven is more “heavenly” and enthusiastic, more
    “upward-looking” in terms of both positivity and high ideals. While both of these two characters
    focus on distinct kinds of excess, the Self-Preservation Seven is the most sly, cunning, and pragmatic
    personality among the Sevens, while the Sexual Seven is more of a light-hearted enjoyer.
    In contrast to the Sexual Seven, the Self-Preservation Seven is not so much idealistic as they are
    cynically distrustful. They’re not gullible people who are easily hypnotized (as the Sexual Seven is);
    they are more practical and concrete. The Self-Preservation Seven is the most astute and strategic
    character of the three Seven subtypes. They may display elements of Type Six in that they can at times
    be fearful or even paranoid, though this is not their regular mode. And perhaps paradoxically, the
    Self-Preservation Seven is more actively flirty, seductive, and sexual than the Sexual Seven, who
    often focuses more on an imagined, idealized kind of communion than actual sex. While the SelfPreservation
    Seven character resembles a “playboy” or “playgirl” type of person—an enjoyer of
    food and sex—the Sexual Seven can be content with the perfume of things.

    Self-Preservation Sevens may experience less difficulty than other Sevens with making
    commitments. For instance, many Self-Preservation Sevens report that they have been married for
    many years or that they have had a solid relationship with a partner for a long period of time. When
    they participate in groups, however, it may be so they can feel a sense of having access to resources if
    they need something at some point. Often, having close relationships is something they view as an
    investment, like putting money in the bank—you always have someone you can call on if you need
    some specific kind of help. For that reason they tend to be very active in the groups they join and the
    networks they are affiliated with.

    Naranjo explains that spiritual aspiration is not so common in Self-Preservation Sevens; they often
    reject religion and tend not to believe in anything. They’re more practical, more materialistic, and
    more rebellious than the other two Seven subtypes. They’re very cheerful and friendly, but also
    disconnected from their emotions. They are sensuous, earthly, worldly characters who can be very
    entertaining and who display a light-hearted lack of seriousness—though when it comes to finding
    security through making money and establishing a network of associates, they display keen selfinterest.
    When Self-Preservation Sevens have the Sexual instinct as their second most dominant instinct,
    they can look more like Sixes (more isolated, overly careful, and strategic), and when they have the
    Social instinct in second place, they may look more like magnanimous Eights (people-oriented and
    impulsive). However, unlike Sixes, they tend to be relentlessly positive and to find security through
    pursuing their self-interest; and in contrast to Eights, they tend to be motivated by a survival fear or
    anxiety deeper down, even if they aren’t always aware of it.

    Joe, a Self-Preservation Seven, speaks:
    There is a gluttonous element in me that I believe stems from an early understanding in
    childhood that life is inherently evanescent. Opportunities missed are not easily regained. In
    that light, as I approached my graduation from middle school and prepared to go to high
    school, I realized that it was time to weigh my priorities and start planning for a career and
    a life maximally lived. So, at thirteen years old, I prioritized: 1) living and enjoying life to
    the fullest while it was possible; 2) helping others do the same; 3.) not hurting others along
    the way. That was in eighth grade.

    The road to medical school and beyond involved painful sacrifices in regards to quality of
    life. I endured a decade of deferred pleasure and buried myself in my studies by making the
    most of my intellectual interest in medicine and the awesome experience of becoming a
    surgeon. What got me through the hard work was the clear vision I had of a complete life:
    weighing the short-term missed experiences against the long-term pleasures and security
    over the span of a full life as a plastic surgeon helped me see that the hardships involved in
    becoming a doctor were worth it. To keep things balanced, I played hard during my brief
    breaks from work and tried not to miss a minute of fun with friends on weekends or nights
    off.

    While the sacrifices involved in becoming a surgeon weren’t easy, I now find myself in the
    most wondrous position of having fulfilled my “mission statement”—I’ve done the most good
    with the least harm while reaping additional quality-of-life benefits. I love my artist wife
    beyond words. We sail and grow organic vegetables together. I enjoy the challenges of
    growing grapes and making wine, and we are creating an aesthetically beautiful and selfsustaining
    homestead. I relish the rewards of time at work and even more at play. What could
    be better than or wrong with that?

    I am aware, however, that I am less in touch with my emotions than might be ideal, as
    experiencing life more intensely on many different levels makes sense to me. I enjoy the
    experience when love, empathy, and other emotions well up into my consciousness, but I
    usually function quite happily on a more cerebral plane. Other times, fear or anxiety may
    enter the room, but I am less eager to tolerate their presence. I have learned to listen to my
    intuition and emotions, but unless they present an actionable warning, I prefer not to dwell
    on negative moods.
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  2. #2
    Type 4w5

    The Social Seven: “Sacrifice” (Countertype)

    Social Sevens represents a kind of a pure character that, as the countertype of the Type Seven
    subtypes, expresses a kind of “counter-gluttony.” Social Sevens go against the Seven passion of
    gluttony in that they consciously avoid exploiting others. Naranjo says it’s as if they can sense the
    tendency within themselves toward gluttony and decide to instead define themselves as antigluttonous.
    If gluttony is a wish for more, a wish for taking advantage of all you can get from a situation, there
    is a hint of exploitation in gluttony. But as the countertype, the Social subtype wants to be good and
    pure and not act on their gluttonous impulse. This is a person who wants to avoid being excessive or
    excessively opportunistic, and who works against any unconscious tendency they may have to exploit
    others.

    Gluttony may thus be difficult to recognize in Social Sevens because they strive to hide it in
    altruistic behavior. This purifies them of the guilt of feeling an attraction toward pleasure or toward
    acting in their own self-interest in ways that cause them to take advantage of others.
    Social Sevens avoid focusing on their own self-interest or advantage by pursuing an ideal of
    themselves and the world. They sacrifice their gluttony to become a better person and to work for a
    better world in which there is no pain or conflict. As Naranjo explains, they defer their own desires in
    pursuit of an ideal.

    In their efforts to work against gluttony, Social Sevens can actually be too pure. Their efforts to
    attain purity can extend to worrying about their diet, their health, and their spirit. Interestingly,
    Naranjo notes, these Sevens are often vegans.

    In striving for purity and anti-gluttony, they express a kind of ascetic (or Five-ish) ideal. They
    make a virtue of getting by on less for themselves. In trying to prove their goodness, they typically
    give others more, and take less for themselves, as a way of going against their gluttonous desire for
    more. Even though they might want the biggest piece of cake, they go against that impulse and take
    the smallest one instead, leaving the larger portions for others.

    Social Sevens take on a lot of responsibility in the group or the family. In doing this, they express a
    sacrifice of gluttony for the benefit of others. They postpone their own desires in order to enact an
    ideal of service. As the name of this subtype suggests, “Sacrifice” means a willingness to be of
    service.

    But where is the ego reward in this seemingly pure, unselfish personality strategy? Part of the ego
    strategy of this subtype is that they want—crave—to be seen as good for their sacrifice. They have a
    hidden gluttony for the acknowledgment of their sacrifice—are hungry for love and recognition—
    and this hunger can be insatiable. These Sevens use their sacrifice to cover up defects and
    shortcomings and to invite recognition and admiration or love, because they don’t feel right
    legitimizing and acting on their desires and whims. Their sacrifice and service is the price they pay
    for their neurotic need for admiration.

    In addition to inspiring appreciation and recognition in others, Social Sevens want to have a good
    image, to reduce conflicts, and to create debts in others. However, these motivations can lead these
    Sevens to enter into relationships that are relatively superficial.

    In line with their need for recognition of their sacrifices, there is a tendency in this Social subtype
    to adopt the role of helper, to be of service, and to be concerned with the alleviation of pain. But while
    they are drawn to alleviate others’ pain, they don’t like to feel it themselves, and so helping others
    may also be a way for them to project their pain somewhere outside themselves and try to relieve it at
    a safe distance. They are always “being” for the other. This is an indulgent and generous character
    capable of managing projects and mobilizing energies for a particular purpose. They tend to deliver
    the services they provide with a lot of dedication.

    Social Sevens experience an inner taboo on selfishness and want to be seen as the “good child” or
    the “good person.” They experience repressed guilt for hiding their self-interest in the guise of good,
    and they may project their disowned guilt for their unacknowledged gluttony onto others, then judge
    them for not being committed or dedicated enough. These Sevens may also distrust themselves
    because they know they mix up altruism and self-interest; they may judge their own deeper
    motivations as “bad” or “self-interested.”

    Social Sevens are very idealistic, but their idealism is a mix of illusion, good intentions, and
    ingenuity that function together as an “intellectual drug” that motivates action. They’re very active,
    moved in an ongoing way by the ideals they want to translate into life to improve the world, but they
    need their idealism to help them to activate—they invest a lot in altruism, idealism, dedication, and
    sacrifice to make them feel more acceptable. They also tend to use the defense of rationalization to
    support the things they do in the name of altruism and idealism. Their idealism is in part based on
    rationalizing ideologies so that if any of their beliefs are proved wrong, they can simply replace it
    with another rationale and then explain this change as evolution. Given this, they may have an
    underlying sense of panic about losing their idealism, as they fear that would ultimately lead to apathy
    and emptiness.

    Social Sevens’ focus on motivating themselves through idealism can take the form of a feeling of
    being on a mission—they may want to be “The Savior.” They may at times criticize themselves for
    being naive and unrealistic, for wanting too much of mankind—and the Social Seven does have some
    youthful or adolescent qualities: they are provocative, enlightened, can be simplistic, and can get lazy
    when the task becomes too demanding. And in addition to this, they may not be conscious of their
    own laziness, love of comfort, and narcissism.

    Naranjo explains that enthusiasm, idealism, and social skills are the three pillars of the Social
    Seven personality. These Sevens are also visionaries: they imagine a better, freer, healthier, more
    peaceful world. (New Age culture is a Social Seven culture.) They often express excessive enthusiasm
    about their visions and may have fantasies of a perfect future. They have a tendency to manipulate
    through enthusiasm. On the surface, they appear very joyful, and they avoid dissonance and conflict.
    In relationships, Social Sevens may feel challenged when they get caught between their strong
    desire not to cause another person pain and their fear of commitment. In keeping with their desire to
    be pure and maintain their idealistic stance, they look for a kind of romantic love that is pure and
    perfect. They unconsciously put themselves in an arrogant position of being “better” or more pure
    than their partners and then expecting them to evolve toward perfection. They may also have
    difficulty navigating the deeper emotions that get stirred up by intimate relationships.

    Because of their enthusiasm and joyfulness, as well as their prominent desire to help and be of
    service, Social Sevens can look like Twos—but while Twos focus primarily on others and don’t have
    as much of a connection with their own selves, Social Sevens are still primarily self-referencing, not
    other-referencing, so they will usually know what they need, even if they decide to sacrifice it. Their
    desire to help is born of the need to go against a sense of self-interest, not just a desire for approval,
    so they have a more direct experience of their own needs and wants despite their tendency to make
    efforts to serve others or a higher good. These are people who are very pure—and in this way they
    can also look One-ish—but theirs is a goodness for applause, a desire to reach an ideal of perfection
    or purity that’s based on social consensus (as opposed to Ones’ internally generated sense of what is
    “right”).

    Rusty, a Social Seven, speaks:
    The easiest thing to forget about Sevens is that fear drives us and safety is what all the
    options are for. We are practiced at not showing our desperation on the surface. As a Social
    Seven, “Sacrifice” plays out without too much trouble for me, because in the vast array of
    possibilities, any treasure is expendable as long as there is some other nugget to gloat over.
    This goes for any cause or endeavor, no matter what the seemingly altruistic reason or the
    secret self-reward.

    Idealism and the desire to be seen as a good person rather than a greedy person has led me
    to join a long series of philanthropic groups. I love the feeling of safety and certainty I get in
    groups, even though I generally join groups in which I don’t exactly belong. No matter how
    committed I was to breathing life into the touring theater company, in the final analysis it
    was the fact of hating to perform soliloquies that allowed me to leave that safe haven for
    something else. While we Social Sevens can look like Twos, my deep impulse to stop nodding
    and agreeing (along with not having a truly deep need-anchor of my own) is what has
    allowed me to leave just about as many groups as I have joined, no matter how devastating
    the wreckage left behind. Or how still the pond without a ripple.

    Grappling to own the Four-ish/Seven-ish fact of narcissism, I balked until it clicked that
    seeing too much of both goodness, virtue, and beauty and wickedness, evil, and inadequacy
    in my reflection ultimately leads down the same rabbit hole of overexamining myself. So, in
    many efforts to get outside myself, for my own good, serially joining and leaving has put me
    on many peaks and in many corners. With myriad projects, plans, and escape hatches comes
    that ability to illuminate and stitch together odd similarities and unique insights, always
    from way out of left field: for instance, I have been the only person at the logging camp
    carrying a dulcimer, the guy fresh from Wyoming managing an A&D showroom on Madison
    Avenue in NYC, the Quaker in a Presbyterian church choir, the token straight man in a gay
    men’s chorus, and so on. I like to sneak in the side door, stir things up, make contributions
    large or small, grab several magpie points for virtue, and then I’ve gotta go.

  3. #3
    Type 4w5

    The Sexual Seven: “Suggestibility”

    Individuals with the Sexual Seven subtype are gluttons for things of the higher world—for
    optimistically seeing things as they could be in the ideal world of their imaginations. Sexual Sevens
    are dreamers with a need to imagine something better than stark, ordinary reality. These Sevens have
    a passion for embellishing everyday reality, for being too enthusiastic, and for idealizing things and
    seeing the world as better than it actually is. Their gluttony gets expressed as a need for idealization.
    Sexual Sevens are not as interested in the things of this world as they are in the things of a more
    highly advanced dimension. They look at the sky as an escape from the earth; they are more
    “heavenly” than “earthy.” People with this subtype are light-hearted enjoyers with a need to dream and
    to idealize and embellish the ordinary. In line with this tendency, they can be very idealistic and
    somewhat naive.

    These Sevens tend to look at things with the optimism of somebody who is in love. Everything
    looks better when you are in love, and the Sexual Seven takes refuge in this kind of ideal, positive
    experience as a way of unconsciously avoiding what might be unpleasant in life. They focus on a
    highly positive view of life to distract themselves from the uncomfortable or scary emotions they
    would rather remain unaware of.

    It is said that “love is blind.” Naranjo contends that Sexual Sevens may be said to be blind in this
    same sense: they display a bit too much enthusiasm and optimism and pay disproportionate attention
    to the positive data in a situation. These Sevens can fall in love very intensely, and they relate to their
    world through dreaming and imagination. They imagine what the world could be, and they can
    believe that this optimistic view is real.

    In this way, Sexual Sevens express a need to fantasize, a need to dream, or a need for rose-colored
    glasses. These Sevens have a tendency to be too happy. They display a need to live in a charmed
    reality, to fantasize—to live in a world they create in their minds rather than the actual external world.
    This can be seen as an overcompensation that reflects an unconscious desire to deny or avoid the
    painful or boring or frightening parts of life. Sexual Sevens tend to experience an underlying fear of
    getting stuck in these kinds of feelings and so take refuge in optimism.

    This Seven’s need to dream is a form of idealization—a passion for viewing life as it could be or
    as they imagine it to be; a tendency to live for the sweetness in a dreamed-of or imagined world
    rather than for the ordinary and not-so-interesting reality. They don’t want to pay attention to anything
    bad or difficult that might be happening.

    Sexual Sevens think, “I’m okay, everything’s okay.” Naranjo points out that this way of thinking is
    very therapeutic for everyone who is not a Seven. Sexual Sevens often had some sort of painful
    experience growing up and they’ve adopted a sense of lightness as a defense against feeling their
    pain. They defensively take refuge in a happy, or excessively happy, and expansive mood that
    operates as a way of unconsciously diverting themselves from recognizing and feeling a deeper pain.
    It’s like walking lightly above things or hovering at an elevated level as a means of escaping the
    uncomfortable emotions.

    The name given to this type is “Suggestibility,” which implies a readiness to be mentally flexible
    and imaginative—but it also has to do with being gullible, easy to hypnotize, and susceptible to the
    infection of enthusiasm. Naranjo points out that Sexual Sevens’ cognitive defenses are shaped as
    suggestion, fantasy, and illusion. They can naively believe that people are what they say they are, and
    they can be very trusting, seeing the world and people in beautiful, perhaps overly positive, terms.
    They run to an idyllic future and away from a potentially uncomfortable or painful present. They
    display a prevalence of thought and imagination over feeling and instinct.

    In terms of personal style, Sexual Sevens are people who like to talk a lot. They are verbose and
    excited by their own discourse, and their speech is characterized by a flow of “wonderful ideas and
    possibilities.” They can also play the role of the carefree clown whom nothing seems to affect. People
    with this subtype tend to use ironic humor, which can be escapist, and they test limits through
    seduction and humor. They seek acceptance, appreciation, and recognition, and they manipulate
    through seduction.

    Sexual Sevens plan and improvise a lot. They believe that they can do everything, and they feel a
    need to plan or mount successful strategies that will ensure their pleasure. They may experience
    anxiety, however, about the difficulty of engaging in many scenarios at once and having to give
    something up. They can have a restless and anxious energy, which can take the outer form of doing
    things on many fronts and engaging in many activities at the same time. Their excitement and anxiety
    can cloud their perception of reality. At times they may rebel through passive-aggression, which they
    tend to do by living in their imagination—relating to situations as they would like them to be and not
    taking action in the real world.

    Sexual Sevens see the world as a marketplace of outstanding opportunities: the more you take, the
    more you can enjoy. These Sevens express excitement about the possibility of consuming many
    experiences—everything is exciting and spectacular—like someone who goes to a bakery and wants
    to try a bit of everything. They find a sense of satisfaction in being able to have it all, in not missing
    or losing out on anything.

    Contrary to what we might expect from this “Sexual” Seven subtype, this Seven is not so much
    focused on sex as they are on the essence of love. Sexual Sevens fall in love very easily, but they’re
    not as interested in having sex with someone as they are in attaining a kind of idealized ultimate
    connection. Sexuality itself stays primarily in the head for these characters. It’s a normal sexuality on
    one hand, but it’s a promise for a bigger opening to a mystical union on the other.

    Sexual Sevens are gluttons for things of the higher world, and this makes them dreamers. They
    often feel an attraction to spiritual or metaphysical experience, as well as to extraordinary or esoteric
    things. Earthly, mundane things can be very hard to bear for a person who lives in a more idealized
    mental reality, and so this individual can have an intense dislike for activities they find routine,
    tedious, or boring.

    For the Sexual Seven, earthly things take effort, and can therefore feel boring or tedious, whereas
    the mind works so easily and without friction. It’s so much easier to imagine doing something than to
    actually do it. So, this Seven finds comfort—indulging a kind of worldly laziness—in imagining
    instead of doing.

    Adam, a Sexual Seven, speaks:
    I deeply resonate with the description of the Sexual Seven. While I have never been a glutton
    for things or substances, I have been a glutton for idealization, learning, and good energy. In
    order to feel okay, I have generally needed to feel positively “stoked.” In fact, my nickname
    in high school was “EnthusiAdam.” I was very excited about most facets of my life, and my
    enthusiasm was contagious. This characterization of me has remained fairly constant,
    although I have mellowed somewhat as I’ve aged.

    I have also thought of myself as a serious romantic, and much of my thinking is consistent
    with an enneatype of Four: I love deeply, I love being in love, and I have always longed for
    love. As such, I was very careful about who I chose as my wife. I needed to be unequivocal
    about this important decision—and, thankfully, I chose well. I have been madly in love with
    her for the now more-than-eleven years we’ve been together. What is now a reality was
    previously a dream that I spent much time visualizing and fantasizing about, and I’m now
    aware that these activities are consistent with this subtype.

    I have a strong dislike for the mundane. I find mindless chatter difficult to bear, and I really,
    really can’t stand housework. The only way I can do housework is by distracting myself with
    an MP3 of a stimulating lecture and being left alone while I do my chores. Then, at least, I’m
    learning—the time is not a total waste and my gluttony for learning is satisfied.

    Lastly, I have spent a great deal of time fantasizing about my ideal retirement. For me, that
    retirement would involve traveling with my beloved wife, plenty of intellectual stimulation,
    endless fun, and tons of time for deep connection with her.
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  5. #4

    Self preservation 7 definitely sounds like me. Starting to think I might be Sp/Sx instead of Sp/So though. I can't relate to the countertype aspects of social 7, but I do relate to the dreamer aspects of sexual 7.

  6. #5
    Type 7w8

    The sexual 7 is so painful haha. In a good sense
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  7. #6
    Unknown

    I've always thought Chesnut's Sx-7 description felt very ENFPish. As an ESFP sx 7 there are parts of it I find harder to relate to, such as reconciling the so-called "dreaminess" of this sub-type (very Ne) with the rawer "blunt" realism of Se-dominance.
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  8. #7

    I think that the sx 7 description is too floaty, and I can't relate to the rose colored glasses part as I feel too jaded thanks to personal experiences. So the Ne vibe makes me go nope while reading it.
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  9. #8

    the social description is......painfully me

    it emphasized the altruism thing a little too much. i don't like being unhelpful, but it's not my life goal to be a nice person. it's more of an impulse i follow than a conscious decision.
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  10. #9
    Type 7w6

    I own this book and it is really great. I do see now that a couple people have mentioned it how the sx 7 description is biased towards Ne users. I actually know a guy who fits that description creepy well and I thought he could be a 4w3 for a long time until I read this book and was like "shit, I never even thought of him as sx at all but that actually makes sense". (he is totally an ENFP though)

    I identify with much of the social 7 description, though for me it sounds a little exaggerated. That or for me most of my social instinct is kind of secret to other people. Also, I tend to believe my social and sexual instinct are damn near equal.

    So these are really great descriptions, but my only complaints would be that I think the Se vs. Ne subtypes would probably be pretty different. The way these descriptions are written, you'd think pretty much all sensing sevens are self preservation, while intuitive sevens could be social or sexual. Maybe there is a grain of truth to that, I don't know. Also, I think the social description kind of implies that all social sevens must have one or two in their tritype, and because I don't, this description seems a little exaggerated. However, the social description does do a great job of hitting my most deeply hidden insecurities on the head. I was talking to my sister about how much I identify with it and she was very surprised at some of the things I said. She didn't realize I have ever felt guilty in my life. Apparently I seem pretty lackadaisical to most, but nope, I have a side that is equally self loathing and morally superior, and yet I score incredibly low in 1. How odd. Anyway.
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    Type 7

    Oh man, that SP description was spooky to read. So me.


     
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