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This is a discussion on ISFP vs ISTP Type 9 -- Differences? within the Type 9 Forum - The Peacemaker forums, part of the Body Triad - Types 8,9,1 category; Basically what the title says. What might be the distinctive differences between a type 9 ISTP and a type 9 ...

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    Type 9

    ISFP vs ISTP Type 9 -- Differences?

    Basically what the title says.

    What might be the distinctive differences between a type 9 ISTP and a type 9 ISFP? In particular, I am thinking about the 9 disintegration into 6 and the form of the inferior.

    Observations of healthy type 9 ISTPs and ISFPs are welcome too, as are thoughts on discrimination between 9w1s and 9w8s ISTPs/ISFPs.



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    Type 5w4

    I not sure.
    I would expect that since there is a marked difference on feeling that the ISTP
    would not be as aware of the emotional reasons for their defence mechanisms kicking in.
    Having feeling extroverted and in the inferior position makes it very tangled and unconscious.
    They would probably chose different activities to zone out over than an ISFP.
    As an ISFP myself I get the feeling reasons why I'm zoning out.
    But I still do it just as much if not even more.
    As it is quite painful to isolate and consider deep emotional trauma.

    The ISTP on the other hand will probably have a very detached and analytical take on the same process.
    But will still zone out and ignore the same stuff regardless of the detachment, as even if the pain is on the
    threshold of the unconscious it is just as overwhelming and the need to zone out is just as necessary.

    I can't be sure that this is the way it goes, but it is my two-cent anyway.

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    Type 9w1

    I've found the 9 and ISTP are types that surprisingly overlap sometimes. ISTPs have a really hard time understanding how they feel in the moment, so the easiest thing to do is sweep it under the rug (which is useful especially for handling type 9 anger). So sometimes when we bottle stuff up, it explodes unpleasantly at the most inconvenient/random time. Even if i do recognize an emotion, I try to rationalize it and drop it when I get bored. My defense mechanism is usually to clean my apartment or work out or whatever. It's taken me a lot of work to realize why I do those things when I'm stressed (it's a quick fix which solves an immediate problem, but not the overarching one), which I might have less trouble with if I was an ISFP. I think Enneagram has been a pretty useful tool in that way.
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    Type 9w1

    Also, due to the inferior, I have less of a need to "merge" with other people, which might be stronger in other types--I mean, I have that kind of desire to connect with someone, but I like the idea better than the reality (and I'm so lazy about all of it that I'm like why bother?)
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    Type 9

    If it ever happened, how does being a 9 ever make you doubt your MBTI or vice versa?

    I think as a 9 ISTP, I can fool myself into thinking I have a much better grasp of Fe/social skills than I actually do. At times it is automatic for me to react in a socially acceptable or sympathetic manner even if I don't feel any sympathy or empathy -- it all spawns from a head knowledge that person X's situation made them sad, so "Aww, that's really awful" (exaggerates facial expressions). The fact that I can "act" all "feely" can make me think I should be say, an INFJ, rather than an ISTP.

    It seems to me that an unhealthy type 9 could manifest the "signs" of inferior Te or Fe, or both. @Ellis Bell, have you ever experienced something like how inferior Te is described while in a state of stress? Or for @hornet, inferior Fe?
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    Type 5w4

    Quote Originally Posted by thunder View Post
    If it ever happened, how does being a 9 ever make you doubt your MBTI or vice versa?

    I think as a 9 ISTP, I can fool myself into thinking I have a much better grasp of Fe/social skills than I actually do. At times it is automatic for me to react in a socially acceptable or sympathetic manner even if I don't feel any sympathy or empathy -- it all spawns from a head knowledge that person X's situation made them sad, so "Aww, that's really awful" (exaggerates facial expressions). The fact that I can "act" all "feely" can make me think I should be say, an INFJ, rather than an ISTP.

    It seems to me that an unhealthy type 9 could manifest the "signs" of inferior Te or Fe, or both. @Ellis Bell, have you ever experienced something like how inferior Te is described while in a state of stress? Or for @hornet, inferior Fe?
    For Te I would almost try to systematically force a type 3 mode.
    But since I overdid it I quickly burned out and didn't manage to get very far.
    I used to give myself sessions of narcotisation as a reward for doing work.
    I figured if I was so hooked on anime I might as well use it as a carrot to perform.
    For a while I performed well and challenged myself and got invaluable experiences,
    but then I raised the bar too fast and ended up demotivated and breaking my own reward rules.
    Realizing I had failed I quickly entered a huge anime binge resulting in me watching the whole Dragonball saga all versions,
    catching up to the end of Naruto, finishing Deathnote, Code Gueas and Elfen Lied +++

    I don't know too much about Fe stress as I don't have it all that much supposedly.

    Off-topic tangent:
    Some people have claimed that my Fi is Ti, but I don't buy that argument as their argument seldom go further than me being
    able to use logic. And Ti != logic. I've done computer programming and can easily understand logical reasoning.
    I don't end up in typical Ti traps that focus on over optimisations.
    I just connect well specified functions until the job is done.
    Some Ti user once told me that it wasn't real programming if you used others functions,
    wanting to reinvent the wheel is a typical Ti trait.

    End off-topic tangent:

    From theory Fe isn't able to isolate feeling material, it is like a soup where every part is connected to every other.
    So when feeling related issues happen every object present gets pulled in and contaminated with feeling valuations.
    A typical example can be seen with banners, where the banner of the enemy evokes feeling evaluations.
    The object imparts it's value onto other interacting objects just by nature of their proximity/interaction.
    Hence a friend holding an enemy banner is the enemy, regardless of his real intentions.
    The consequence of this way of interpreting the world from an inferoir stress perspective is that one
    overreacts when encountering groups and symbols that clash with ones values.
    If one are constantly put in such feeling conflicts one will probably as a nine need massive amounts of zoning out.
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