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This is a discussion on Question for Gamers within the Video Games forums, part of the Book, Music, & Movie Reviews category; Originally Posted by Red Panda What kind of hobbies do you have that you don't have to buy anything then? ...

  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    What kind of hobbies do you have that you don't have to buy anything then? Singing and dancing? Barefoot running?
    I don't see why my hobbies are relevant. Anyways, I was responding to a comment about entertainment, and hobbies and entertainment are not the same thing.
    As a 'gamer'
    You said in your first comment that you don't identify as a gamer though. The crux of the question is about having an identity based on consumption; the question doesn't apply to people who don't claim that identity.

  2. #12

    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Clitty View Post
    I don't see why my hobbies are relevant. Anyways, I was responding to a comment about entertainment, and hobbies and entertainment are not the same thing.
    Well, you said it's unnecessary to buy stuff for entertainment, generally, so asking how does one entertain themselves without giving any money is relevant. Hobbies and entertainment can be the same thing.

    You said in your first comment that you don't identify as a gamer though. The crux of the question is about having an identity based on consumption; the question doesn't apply to people who don't claim that identity.
    I guess that's fair enough

  3. #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Panda View Post
    Well, you said it's unnecessary to buy stuff for entertainment, generally, so asking how does one entertain themselves without giving any money is relevant.
    Reading library books. Dancing and singing, like you said. People watching. Bird watching (without binoculars). Stealing. Trolling. Swimming. Hopscotch. Collecting seashells. There are a million ways.

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  5. #14

    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Clitty View Post
    Reading library books. Dancing and singing, like you said. People watching. Bird watching (without binoculars). Stealing. Trolling. Swimming. Hopscotch. Collecting seashells. There are a million ways.
    I think you must enjoy trolling here, you even admit that it's a hobby

    perhaps this thread shouldn't be taken seriously and your question better be unanswered, but now it's too late

  6. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Clitty View Post
    What do you think about the idea that "gamer" is an identity based on unnecessary consumption (in contrast to consumption of necessary things like food, clothing, shelter)? Do you think that description is accurate? Useful? Etc.
    It's neither accurate nor useful and it sounds like the mentality of Bill Maher or Gavin McInnes. "Gamer" is not an "identity." It's only a word that describes a person with a particular hobby (unless they're a "pro gamer").
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  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Hello Clitty View Post
    Well the question I asked is directed towards people who have adopted "gamer" as an identity, not just anyone who plays video games. Since identities typically pertain to a personal trait or something that a person does (rather than something that a person consumes), identities like "gamer" stand out.

    I'm assuming you're referring to non-human animals. Yes they play games but they don't consume to play games. They don't buy consoles and controllers and expansion packs to play. So I don't see it as relevant to the topic.
    Yes, I self-identify as a gamer, among other things, so I get it. I just disagree with the perception of gaming as unnecessary consumption. It's not necessary for everyone, but like I said in my first reply, it's necessary for me. I could live without it but I would feel the loss of that medium as a method of entertainment. I have encountered people who look down on gaming and gamers, and I suppose I just don't understand why. Different strokes for different folks, I try not to judge other peoples' hobbies or identities and don't appreciate when they do it to me or people like me.

    Re: animals, humans are animals, too. So it should be expected that we, like all animals, have play behavior, even if ours appears entirely different. It's about instinct, about nature. Your assertion that animals don't consume in order to play is wrong, too. Wild animals will steal balls and other toys left out for pets. They also play with sticks, rocks, bones, and prey. A lot of animals engage in interspecies play outside of the predator-prey relationship. A feather or bit of human trash may not be the same consumption level as a console and yet plenty of animals might collect such items in their territory for games. The reason I bring it up is to illustrate that play is normal for all species and to act like it isn't in humans just because the style of play isn't what one person sees as fun or worthwhile doesn't mean it applies to every person.

  8. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Judson Joist View Post
    "Gamer" is not an "identity." It's only a word that describes a person with a particular hobby (unless they're a "pro gamer").
    Depends who you ask. I think of Gamer as an identity, but it's not my only identity.
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  9. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by TricoFeathers View Post
    Depends who you ask. I think of Gamer as an identity, but it's not my only identity.
    In that case, do you...like...S.T.A.L.K.E.R.?










  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by The red spirit View Post
    I think you must enjoy trolling here, you even admit that it's a hobby perhaps this thread shouldn't be taken seriously and your question better be unanswered, but now it's too late
    Those were just examples, not my actual hobbies. It should be obvious that no one has a million hobbies.
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  11. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by TricoFeathers View Post
    Your assertion that animals don't consume in order to play is wrong, too. Wild animals will steal balls and other toy
    Well, that raises an interesting question...is using anything whatsoever in any way whatsoever in line with the sense of the word "consumption" in this context?
    The reason I bring it up is to illustrate that play is normal for all species and to act like it isn't in humans just because the style of play isn't what one person sees as fun or worthwhile doesn't mean it applies to every person.
    Feel free to go tell that to someone who acted that way then. I never said entertainment was unnecessary, I never said playing was not normal for some or all species, and I never said anything about what is or is not worthwhile. It's like you all are having conversations with your own projections instead of with me. And as for your earlier question about what determines whether gaming is "unnecessary consumption," I answered it in the OP. Jesus. Christ. Abandon thread.


     
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