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This is a discussion on I know my base type - curious about 'wings' within the What's my Enneagram type? forums, part of the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum category; I'm nearly certain I'm a 9 (I'm very self reflective - I'm an INTP with a disorder that creates a ...

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    I know my base type - curious about 'wings'

    I'm nearly certain I'm a 9 (I'm very self reflective - I'm an INTP with a disorder that creates a Dom-Tertiary loop that locks me in immersive self-reflection with Ti and Si - so I'm pretty sure on the '9')

    I keep reading about 'wings' of the enneagram, so I'm curious about it - also curious abot the 'tri-type'. Filling out the questionaires

    What age range are you in?
    Ranges undefined - I am 32.

    Any disorders or conditions we should know about?
    Some, but I'm not sure how many of them are really disorders or part of my INTP..
    - ADHD - predominantly inattentive type (Which matches Ne)
    - Schizoid Personality Disorder (Which Matches the Fe 4th function of INTP)
    - Obsessive-Compulsive Personality Disorder (which matches the Ti-Si)

    What do you think your life is about? What drives you in life? This can be something like a goal or a purpose, or anything else that comes to mind.
    Question is too broad - do you want a novel? (I'm very, very verbose - but I'll try to keep this short)
    The purpose of life is we are the universe's way of exploring itself. My main goals I have lots of stories in my head I'd love to tell really creative and deep ones. Currently I'm doing that by making them as video games.

    What were you like as a kid?
    Quiet and reserved. I got picked on a lot for a number of factors (Jehovah's Witness, very skinny, very geeky, velcro shoes until I was ~ 14 'cause I could never figure out how to tie them.) I understood most of what was going on in school, but I couldn't be bothered to do the homework. VERY VERY messy/disorganized. Actually my printing was so bad that in grade 4 the teacher gave me a grade-1 printing book to work on while the rest of the class started learning regular cursive 'handwriting'

    My mother always called me a 'good child' because I was never rebellious and usually did what I was told.

    Describe your relationship with your parents. Does anything stand out about the way you interacted?
    Single-parent family. I interacted very little with my mother - she was a bit of a workaholic (and I was an extreme introvert so I didn't really need much attention) Nothing outstanding.

    What values are important to you? What do you hope to avoid doing or being?
    I'm meticulously devoted to accuracy. I have not in recent memory lied about anything. I avoid absolutes like "Always" or "Never" because there might be that *one* minor time that I had forgotten about that would make that statement false. I try to be consistent - and I HATE when I try to read something and it winds up contradicting itself (usually an editing error)
    I'm generally liberal-minded - social justice issues are important to me, as is infopolicy and copyright reform.

    Aside from phobias, are there any fears that characterized your childhood? Have they continued into the present day, or not, and if not, how have you dealt with them?
    There is not a significant distinction between a 'phobia' and a 'fear' - if a fear has continued from childhood to present day it's excessive - and it's really hard to distinguish a realistic fear from an unrealistic one (if it's not immediate and life-threatening it's probably unrealistic, though)
    I used to be afraid of spiders - and they still creep me out, but I've just decided they are probably mini-demons rather than an actual insect that evolved on this planet.
    I'm not exactly sure when this started - but one of the biggest things that make me feel bad and so I avoid doing it (is that effectively a 'fear'?) is that if I say something that unintentionally offends someone and they get angry or hurt by what I said. I try *VERY* hard to do this because when other people get upset with me I feel very, very bad :( (one of the traits that makes me sure I'm a '9')

    6. a.) How do you see yourself?
    I don't think about it much. =Z I'm just weird, in the usual INTP way.

    b.) How do you want others to see you?
    I don't care - other people's views mean nothing to me.

    c.) What do you dislike the most in other people?
    Stupidity/Ignorance

    Which habit do you most automatically act on? Rank the following habits from most to least automatic, on a scale of 1 (most) to 3 (least).
    1 - Strive for a sense of tranquility in yourself and the world around you
    2 - Decide what is right for the betterment of something or someone else.

    3 - Work for personal gain with more concern for self than for others.



    Where does the wandering mind take you? What provokes this?
    Question is too unspecific I'm an INTP for crying out loud - it takes me anywhere and everywhere and is provoked by me being alive (IE - all the time)
    EDIT - rereading my answers... it just occured to me that I spend a lot of time ruminating on past guilt or worrying about future incidents - usually involving inter-personal conflict.

    What makes you feel your best? What makes you feel your worst?
    Best - Digging deep and finding out some obscure fact that's been bugging me. Or actually completing a project I dream up (which rarely happens - INTP!)
    Worst - upsetting someone. Or having said 'yes' to an promise or obligation someone has asked me to do and I caved and said I would do it. Then when I'm about to go do it I feel awful because I don't really want to do it and it puts me way out of my way.

    10. Let's talk about emotions. Explain what might make you feel the following, how they feel to you or how you react to the emotion:
    Schizoid personality disorder & INTP with 4th function Fe. Only just started accessing my emotions last month - so be aware these triggers are based on a *very* limited dataset
    anger - memories of the past where I've been told to do/be someone that is not in my core nature.
    shame - D: This one hit me VERY hard when my emotions started 'flooding' when I first tapped into them :( I had offended a shopkeepe with whom I do a lot of business and she sent me an email telling me how hurt my actions had made her. I was SO upset not only did I appologize by email I went in the next day and apologized in person (I would have gone on my knees and begged for forgiveness)
    anxiety - Anxiety happens when I repress my emotions, and is not an emotion in and of itself. It's a 'mask' that I use to hide everything else.

    Describe how you respond to the following:
    stress - Stress is an emotion, and therefore new to me. I used to be oblivious to stress (until it manifested as anxiety) Since I still stifle my emotions it`s really hard to say. The last day I knew I was stressed I didn`t know how to handle it and it built and build until I broke down and had a huge anxiety attack. I`ve since learned stress-management techniques but have never had stress come that needed to be dealt with.
    negative unexpected change - get VERY confused and totally discombobulated and wind up being late for everything because I can't get any of my other plans to sych.
    conflict - Run away and cry.


    12. a.) What kind of role are you naturally inclined to take in a group? Why?
    Depends on the task. `Strategic-Support`or `Pointman/Facilitator'.
    Strategic-Support (or 'Quarterback') is a term used in gaming. Basically when I play video games I prefer a role that is supportive, but indirect (IE - not a healer). Usually someone who debuffs enemies or has an aura to give allies small benefits.
    In a fast-paced work environment, such as food service - I like to co-ordinate and organize people - make sure things are running smoothly or be a 'gopher' running items from one place to another assisting everybody in between.
    b.) If put in power, how do you behave? Why?
    I give orders directly and matter of factly. I'm constantly second-guessing myself and wondering if I'm being overbearing or too demanding.
    c.) Do you tend to struggle with others who have authority over you? Why?
    If the person in authority has earned my respect there is no problems - I will go out of my way to do anything they ask.
    If the person has earned my active disrespect I become very officious and matter of fact - do the very limit of what I'm 'required' to and that's it (example - police I retain my right to never answer questions, always ask if I'm free to go or if I'm being detained etc.) This usually winds up frustrating the person in authority.
    If my relationship with the person in authority is neutral - it's hard to say and depends on how it develops.

    What do you see or notice in others that most people don't?
    I've noticed I'm sensitive to other people's emotions... not sure if it's a body-language thing or I somehow pick up a vibration in their energy field. I tend to notice negative emotions more obviously - and tend to assume things like anger and frustration are directed at me (which usually makes me self-conscious and guilty - but that's probably a 9 thing)

    Comment on your relationship with trust.
    I used to be too trusting. Learning to be more guarded so I don't get taken advantage of.

    Briefly: What religious and/or political beliefs do you have? Do you think they influenced your responses in this questionnaire?
    I don't think these are relevant to my answers, but here it is anyways;
    Religious - Born Jehovah's Witness, baptised Mormon in my 20s, studied/practised Wicca and then Druidism. Now I identify as a Panthiest with some druidic leanings.
    Political - Always vote NPD (New Democratic Party - Canadian), pro-copyright reform, pro-homosexual rights, anti-'big business', pro-privacy of information, pro-peace (and why the hell is the US dragging us into wars that they have no business starting in the first place?)


    My the way the 'tests' on this site suck. I was catagorized;
    4w3, 8w9, 6w7
    Before I settled on 9 I was considering 5 - what gives?

    Also the MBTI gave me something odd like ESFJ that was totally inconsistent with anything I know to be true =Z





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    @shivafang , If are you sure youre INTP I will go for 9w1 6w7 2w1 sp/sx

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    @shivafang - I also think you're 9w1.

    BTW, have you considered ISFJ for your type? They can get into Ti-Si loops as well. I'm an INTP and I couldn't relate to many things you attributed to being this type.
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    @arconite - I discovered this site because someone on google plus linked an article on personality disorders and MBTI dom-tri loops - and I did notice the ISFJ being paired with that.

    I very, very strongly resonate with INTP - but I'll look into ISFJ (Also - I do believe me Ne is stronger than my Fe - but being ADHD and Schizoid that might not be accurate)

    "INFJs are gentle, caring, complex and highly intuitive individuals. Artistic and creative, they live in a world of hidden meanings and possibilities"

    At a quick brush - this actually fits very well. Will look deeper. (edit - I also realise that's close to the ESFJ I scored on the test on this site.)

    9w1 does make more sense then 9w8. I recently took a DISC assessment and scored the 'perfectionist' archetype.

    @marckos - I think you are right about the '6' - there are parts of 6 about how I get very rules-lawyery and stubborn that make sense (I also know that 6 is 9's 'stressor' number - but the way I always go to that point makes me think it's more than that)
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    @shivafang , just remember MBTI and Enneagram are not direct relate to each one, any type could be any MBTI type ( INTJ 3, ESFJ 9 etc), if have more doubts or want to ask something please dont hesitate to ask.

    If you have more questions about your MBTI I can help you also.
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    Hi marckos - I posted in the 'what's my type thread' for the intp-isfj switch.
    https://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-...intp-isfj.html

    I absolutely know they are not entirely dependant on one another - however it was interesting feedback (and explained why I scored ESFJ on the test on this site) I resonate with a lot of the "You know you are an ISFJ when..." in that section of the forums (though I also strongly resemble with the INTP mirror thread..."

    Also - been looking into the triad you posted - 2w1 fits very, very well. What brings you to decide 6w7 "The buddy" as opposed to any other option for that 'slot'?

    EDIT: What does sp/sx mean? I just pulled this up and am now confused;
    https://personalitycafe.com/type-9-fo...stackings.html
    does the sp/sx apply to all 3 of the types?

    EDIT2: OOH Now THIS fits! (From that page sp/sx 9w1) "They are the eyes and fingers of the universe examining itself. They are most aware of how everyone is connected indirectly through the swamps of psychic muck." <- I pretty much wrote the first sentence there in one of my answers.

    EDIT3: Google-fu to the rescue - Social Preservation/Sexual (with social being 'last' or 'neglected')
    http://ocean-moonshine.net/e14285736...position=80:80
    That makes sense too :D I like figuring this kind of stuff out.

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    @shivafang
    If my relationship with the person in authority is neutral - it's hard to say and depends onIf my relationship with the person in authority is neutral - it's hard to say and depends on how it develops.
    how it develops.
    This, my friend, is the key, 6s have an ambivalent autorithy if they thread you well you are responsive but when you dont like it you are a "jerk" with him/her.

    I'm constantly second-guessing myself and wondering if I'm being overbearing or too demanding.
    This is a typical 6w7 response when they are in power
    social justice issues are important to me, as is infopolicy and copyright reform.
    This is typical of 6 too

    stress - Stress is an emotion, and therefore new to me. I used to be oblivious to stress (until it manifested as anxiety) Since I still stifle my emotions it`s really hard to say. The last day I knew I was stressed I didn`t know how to handle it and it built and build until I broke down and had a huge anxiety attack. I`ve since learned stress-management techniques but have never had stress come that needed to be dealt with.
    6w7s are more insecure and look for guidance and support from others. They look for people who can supply them with the bearings necessary to handle life's obstacles. They are more self-questioning and doubt their ability to find security in the world on their own. They tend to "weigh" their opinions with others. They interact with what's around them to make sure they are on the right track. They are more open and quicker to trust others. They are enthusiastic and friendly. They are less likely to say unequivocally they are right and others are wrong. When they challenge people they rarely employ a sustained scrutiny like 6w5s do. They go out of their way to show they aren't threatening which 6w5s often consider weakness. Being tough and protective yet flexible and openly vulnerable makes them endearing and likeable. They have a talent for rallying others around them when they bring attention to someone being mistreated.

    6w7s want everything around them to fit nicely with their constructed safe reality. They want to be happy and content in addition to finding something strong and stable. They externalize their ambivalence and exhibit more contradictory behavior than 6w5s. They trust either too little or too much, rarely just right.




    PD: I Read yout thread "INTP or ISFJ"....You are SOOOO 6w7
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    Agree with everything you wrote... except;
    "They are less likely to say unequivocally they are right and others are wrong"

    Okay - well I was about to contradict this but then saw "unequivocally". However - sometimes if a rule is broken (either in gaming OR in real life) I'm quick to point it out (probably because it affects my 'constructed safe reality' you describe above) - for example - I knew the Minimum Employment Standards off by heart so I knew exactly what my rights are if there's a mistake - and have helped others when I find out they are getting screwed by their employers.

    "
    PD: I Read yout thread "INTP or ISFJ"....You are SOOOO 6w7"

    >D If you say so!


     

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