Am I a 4 or a 7? Most likely 4, but I just gotta ask, you know?

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    Am I a 4 or a 7? Most likely 4, but I just gotta ask, you know?

    Eyo! I've scratched this little itch on my back countless times, but it keeps coming back! I'd love to know your informed, outside perspective on me so that I can put my doubts to rest (although Fi will forever compel me to re-evaluate myself, ye?)

    I've always identified as a 4 (4w3 to be precise), and every time that I introspect, that 4 comes out top dog. But I swear that I often feel much more like a 7 in my daily life. For one, I tend not to invest myself in emotions that might easily sway me, control me, or commit me to some kind of prolonged feeling of sorrow or lament. I do enjoy feeling deeply and I feel often, but I prefer to simulate those kinds of emotions creatively (writing) because I can control them at will. But, for the most part, I want to stay cheerful, calm and rational. I just plain feel better this way. I feel like that's "who I am". I can't stand being a sniffling mess and jeopardizing my upbeat, hype mood for the day.

    I use my head fix a whole lot. I do think before I act and evaluate everything, but it doesn't take much to get me to hit the "go" button if I can find one good reason to do something or buy something. If it comes with consequences, then I simply go out and fix what I messed up. I'm pretty forgiving of myself. I've learned so much over the years in the way of staying true to myself isn't about what I do or do not, but about being confident and comfortable with myself.

    My tritype is 4w3, 7w6, 9w8 Sx/So. Here we go!


    Main Questions

    1. What drives you in life? What do you look for?

    I am driven to express myself and my experiences creatively via writing, art or other means. I look for truth--real, unbiased truths about the world, and I am dedicated to removing my own personal bias from the equation so I can best know how to cultivate myself and translate my findings into a work that best reflects my dedication to factual impartiality while still imparting my own personal and emotional writing style to the work. I hope that this will create something wholly unique that is entertaining, poignant, and timeless despite being indicative of its time. Just like Senpa--I mean George Orwell's works.

    2. What do you hope to accomplish in your life?

    I want to help and do good unto others, publish my works, become a damn good artist, continue to hone my artistic skills, continue to learn new things and keep myself happy and physically healthy.

    3. What do you hope to avoid doing or being? What values are important to you?

    I don't want to be irrational, immature or nonsensical, such as being a hypocrite, a bigot, or otherwise narrow-minded. I also do not want to be too set in my ways to change or refuse to understand why something is. I also do not ever want to fall back into depression.

    One of my firmest beliefs is that we, at the very least and if we do nothing else in this life, should not do things that cause others around us harm. After that, I believe that we should all do our best to find our own, individual talents and make the best use of them. Too often is natural ability squandered.

    4. What are your biggest fears (not including phobias)? Why?

    I am terrified of literally losing my mind to Alzheimer's, dementia or some other disease that will compromise my ability to think, use my body, and be myself. As a woman in her 30s, I already feel a bit more brain fog than when I was in my 20s an younger, and it's seriously alarming me. I am also afraid of having my privacy compromised--online and off.

    5. How do you want others to see you? How do you see yourself?

    I want others to see me as intelligent, confident in myself and with respectable values, even if they agree to disagree. I want people to recognize that I am completely free-thinking and not a hive-mind whatsoever. I don't expect others to understand every facet of me, just as I cannot of them, but I want people to see where I am coming from. Make sense, spread sense.

    As for myself, I can see myself as a lazy, unmotivated, impulsive/undisciplined, contentious crab who is occasionally in denial, but I sincerely love myself and wouldn't dare dream of being anyone else--inside or outside. :)

    6. What makes you feel your best? What makes you feel your worst?

    I feel my best when I am creatively inspired, usually while reading great books. I also feel at my best when I have high energy, like after a good night's rest, or when listening to upbeat, catchy music.

    I feel my worst when I am without this inspiration--feeling nothing and sleeping my time away. It is also hell when I am feeling hurt, sad, angry, or anxious about something, and I still feel horrible despite that I have already sworn to fix or have already fixed the issue. I am just dying for that feeling to pass.

    7. Describe how you experience each of: a) anger; b) shame; c) anxiety.

    Anger: I usually bite my lip and shut up. I have to. I don't want to regret what may follow if I don't.

    Shame: If I have done something really wrong, I feel guilt followed by such embarrassment that I feel like I'm not welcome where I'm present, like having me around is an insult to the establishment.

    Anxiety: This seldomly flares up, but when it does, I immediately try to rationally explain the situation to myself and do my best to resolve the situation immediately. I don't want to settle for excuses, either. I want to get the problem I'm having fixed for good, so I can get back to feeling fine.

    8. Describe how you respond to each of: a) stress; b) unexpected change; c) conflict.

    Stress: Attempt to destress by removing myself from the stressful situation so that I can understand how to deal with it better. If I'm unable to remove myself from the stressful situation, bitching and venting to myself are imminent, and I typically don't care who hears until I'm calm again.

    Unexpected change: Depending on the situation, I can be flexible and receptive, like if a friend wants to cancel on me, or new policies at work are instated. As long as the reason for change makes sense, then I'm down. If not, then I'll most likely not be thrilled and grumble about it.

    Conflict: If I am in a calm state of mind, I first feel catatonic shock, diffuse, then abort. But, if I'm already really stressed or mad and the conflict involves me, then I'm just fine with it. I got chu, and I'm ready to go. x'D


    9. Describe your orientation to: a) authority; b) power. How do you respond to these?

    Authority: Eh, usually incompetent and corrupt with power, but needed. I almost always do my best to abide by laws and be respectful to authority. If I must challenge them, I do it respectfully.
    Power: Easy to abuse, those in it need to be kept in check, but also needed. I refuse to let anyone exacerbate personal power over me.

    10. What is your overall outlook on life and humanity?

    It could be better, but it also could be a whole lot worse. I'm proud of what we've accomplished in the past 250 years, but we're still fumbling around as a species and finding new, creative ways of killing ourselves and keeping ourselves alive for the same, old reasons. I'd be insanely thrilled if we could find new life elsewhere, but we're so far from that. ;u;

    Optional Questions

    11. Discuss an event that has impacted your life significantly; more importantly, how you responded to it.

    Years ago, I felt like I was losing everyone who was close to me. I had just gotten out of a bad, possessive relationship and I realized later that I had been distant from two friends who had been trying to help me through it. When it was all said and done, I wanted to try to hang out with them, but things weren't really the same after that.
    A few months after, I declined to hang out with them on my birthday, and both of them got extremely angry at me (I think they had something planned, but we both failed to keep in contact with each other). One of them told me off and stopped being my friend that same day, and the other gave me the cold shoulder for weeks before forgiving me. I was pretty clueless at the time with no communication as to why they acted that way, and I felt like I had no one to really confide in for a while after that.

    For the rest of the month, I was very withdrawn and even more depressed, but after introspection, I eventually realized that, for so long, I had always relied on support from others and participating in activities with them to help me get through bad times, and that I not only needed to start doing this on my own, but that I should, not only so I don't put pressure on anyone else, but also for the sake of my own independence. So, I decided to turn inward completely to start writing a huge, fictional story. Almost overnight, I started to feel a sense of purpose again that I hadn't felt in years--the need to not coerce people into doing things with me to keep me happy made me feel freer and helped me realize what I was doing to others, too. And, ever since, I've held onto that definitive sense of purpose and oneness with myself. C:

    12. Comment on your relationship with trust.

    I am cautious, but I don't have an unreasonable issue with trusting others. As an INFP, I can usually judge well who is trustworthy and who isn't, so I tend to weed out shadier characters from the get-go. But, even if I am had by someone, it's not going to destroy or traumatize me. I just learn why it happened and take action, possibly cutting the person from my life and move on. I tend to give second chances, and if I am fooled again, well, that's on me; I cut the ties for good. I feel like being raised by two trustworthy, honest parents has been more of a godsend than I probably realize.

    13. List some of the traits you: a) like; b) dislike most about yourself.

    a) I am very open-minded and forgiving, free-thinking, and genuinely different from other people as a result. I feel unique and stand out in a quiet way in person, and in a loud way in my writing.
    b) I am unmotivated, lazy, often uninspired/am difficult to inspire, and I'm overweight and have long nurtured unhealthy eating/living habits. ;u;

    14. What do you see or notice in others that most people don't?

    I like to give people, even people who appear stupid as all hell, the credit that they deserve as individuals, not as a generalized whole set apart from me. I recognize that that teenage kid half my age who's recording him/herself doing stupid things for Youtube fame may be way better at math than me. A petty shoplifter may be able to paint better than I'd ever hope to, or a perpetual drunk or a drug abuser might be able to unveil important truths about the world to me--things that I've never thought of before. On the opposite side of the spectrum, a millionaire may not be any smarter, wiser, or happier than me or anyone else. Social hierarchy aside, just as everyone has flaws, everyone also has something incredible to offer.

    15. If a stranger insults you, how do you respond/feel? What if they compliment you?

    If it's an unwarranted insult, I'll feel a little indignant, but I shrug it off eventually. I'm not going to let someone else who knows nothing about me affect me too strongly. A compliment is always welcome, and I try to accept it as best I can. I'd rather be complimented for my inner self than for my outer self, of course.

    16. What's something you are: a) thankful you have; b) wish you could have? Why?

    a) I'm thankful for the extremely fortunate life I have. I'm thankful to have been raised well by two responsible, caring parents (ISFP mom, ESTJ dad) who ensured that my every need was taken care of growing up. I'm thankful for my long-time ENFP best friend who understands me better than anyone. I'm thankful to have received inheritance money to start my life off with a great starter house of my own--a room of my own, the Core i7-4700MQ laptop with GeForce GT 745M card that I am typing on right now, etc., you get the idea. I'm thankful for it all because--why shouldn't I be? There's always something to be thankful for, and it's more fulfilling to be that way.

    b) I wish I could have what I am too lazy to get, like finishing up my College degree and getting a better, higher paying job. In terms of objects? Nothing really. I'd have bought it by now. But, if Daft Punk ever decides to have an Alive tour again, you can bet your bonnet I'm gonna wish I could have those tickets!
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    you seem to have spent a lot of time on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonymous273152 View Post
    you seem to have spent a lot of time on this!
    Haha, yeah, too much time. It's just what I do, and it's nothing that I can help. :')

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    I'm really of no use with the exception of this article that I found!

    https://theenneagram.blogspot.com/20...entifying.html
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    I would lean Seven from this questionnaire (I see more focus on independence, inspiration, etc) but I'm not really sure, not very confident typing people just from questionnaires - hope I see more of you just around :)

    edit: love your username btw, and it seems fitting - is it a reference to something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nissa Nissa View Post
    I would lean Seven from this questionnaire (I see more focus on independence, inspiration, etc) but I'm not really sure, not very confident typing people just from questionnaires - hope I see more of you just around :)

    edit: love your username btw, and it seems fitting - is it a reference to something?
    Thanks so much for your input, hon! Indeed, questionnaires can be a bit tricky as they can depict thoughts and feelings without the experiences and responses that drove them, especially since our recounts are colored with learned behaviors! I started to think of how 7 was often one of my learned behaviors, but when I did, I had a profound and sudden realization in the middle of writing you! Although I feel and want to be relaxed and happy like a 7, I'm actually much more like a healthy and secure 6--happy because I reassure myself by vowing to resolve every problem, am happy to question everything and am never completely certain, but with faith and trust that things will work themselves out. In the end, I always go through hoops and hurdles to finally realize what was always simple in the first place, lol.

    It's tough to capture oneself in just questions. There can be little nuances in writing or expression that are indicative of specific motivations, and I wanted to look into that a little while typing you since you're so bubbly and expressive! I knew it would be quite useful for me to provide you with my thoughts on your enneagram thread now since I can analyze you with a true blank slate!
    But, it is equally (or not moreso) as important to consider the greatest sum of facts and expressions themselves--to see others write candidly over time. I'll certainly be around the forums here, and I hope to eventually let you know if my perception of your type(s) has changed when I also see you around more--like a little 'before and after' to compare my initial thoughts to!

    And thanks for the compliment! That means a lot, because my name is a very profound reference to a story I've been writing for a while! It's a Super Mario-related story about an Architect living in San Francisco who has psychotic delusions that she's in the Mario's Mushroom World instead. She becomes a princess by designing and leading the construction of a kingdom for the shaman chief of a humanoid Shy-Guy tribe--hence "the royal architect". My avatar is a digital painting I made of her eye for a story chapter.

    Writing it has really given me inspiration to become more self-motivated and to finish what I start. She is something of an ENTP Type 7, so I'm here to both whet my critical thinking skills and to do more research to get better at portraying her and other characters I write for. That's also why I'm camped out here in this forum to help type other people! :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Royal Architect View Post
    Thanks so much for your input, hon! Indeed, questionnaires can be a bit tricky as they can depict thoughts and feelings without the experiences and responses that drove them, especially since our recounts are colored with learned behaviors! I started to think of how 7 was often one of my learned behaviors, but when I did, I had a profound and sudden realization in the middle of writing you! Although I feel and want to be relaxed and happy like a 7, I'm actually much more like a healthy and secure 6--happy because I reassure myself by vowing to resolve every problem, am happy to question everything and am never completely certain, but with faith and trust that things will work themselves out. In the end, I always go through hoops and hurdles to finally realize what was always simple in the first place, lol.
    Yes, exactly, plus that it 's very much a person presenting themselves, meaning I think it's less likely to be the most natural idea of who a person is, plus the focus is always on what the questionnaire provides, so you don't necessarily see someone's biggest issues. I was thinking Seven from your questionnaire because I saw some connection to One definitely, and thought core frustration type and also saw some Six influence, and you had some answers that touched on fear of pain and deprivation, lack of inspiration, and overall got a bit more positive type...but that can all easily be Four with a Six or Seven fix. Your current signature type doesn't seem wrong to me so :/

    It's tough to capture oneself in just questions. There can be little nuances in writing or expression that are indicative of specific motivations, and I wanted to look into that a little while typing you since you're so bubbly and expressive! I knew it would be quite useful for me to provide you with my thoughts on your enneagram thread now since I can analyze you with a true blank slate!
    But, it is equally (or not moreso) as important to consider the greatest sum of facts and expressions themselves--to see others write candidly over time. I'll certainly be around the forums here, and I hope to eventually let you know if my perception of your type(s) has changed when I also see you around more--like a little 'before and after' to compare my initial thoughts to!
    Thank you so much, found your comments really helpful; you seem to have really interesting insight.

    And thanks for the compliment! That means a lot, because my name is a very profound reference to a story I've been writing for a while! It's a Super Mario-related story about an Architect living in San Francisco who has psychotic delusions that she's in the Mario's Mushroom World instead. She becomes a princess by designing and leading the construction of a kingdom for the shaman chief of a humanoid Shy-Guy tribe--hence "the royal architect".
    Oh, really interesting!

    My avatar is a digital painting I made of her eye for a story chapter.
    that's insanely impressive

    Writing it has really given me inspiration to become more self-motivated and to finish what I start. She is something of an ENTP Type 7, so I'm here to both whet my critical thinking skills and to do more research to get better at portraying her and other characters I write for. That's also why I'm camped out here in this forum to help type other people! :)
    Oh, cool! I write too and find typology fairly helpful for getting characters down (and avoiding my biases etc)
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    Leaning towards a 5

    You seem to be a deep thinker. And you seek wisdom and truth.

    read through this and see if it resonates:
    https://oceanmoonshine9.wordpress.com/fives/
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    Quote Originally Posted by NSCR View Post
    It is also hell when I am feeling hurt, sad, angry, or anxious about something, and I still feel horrible despite that I have already sworn to fix or have already fixed the issue. I am just dying for that feeling to pass.

    (...)

    Anxiety: This seldomly flares up, but when it does, I immediately try to rationally explain the situation to myself and do my best to resolve the situation immediately. I don't want to settle for excuses, either. I want to get the problem I'm having fixed for good, so I can get back to feeling fine.
    The 7 stereotype is distracting oneself, or reframing the situation into a positive one, and a fair amount of rationalization as a first response - not necessarily dealing with the problem and resolving the situation immediately as you put it...well, depending on what resolving involves anyway. "I don't want to settle for excuses either" strikes me as unusual...or maybe you're just very mentally healthy?

    "Stress: Attempt to destress by removing myself from the stressful situation so that I can understand how to deal with it better. If I'm unable to remove myself from the stressful situation, bitching and venting to myself are imminent, and I typically don't care who hears until I'm calm again"

    - this may speak to something in the "I like to withdraw" triad of 4, 5, and 9.


    I'm getting a lot of value driven Fi idealism stuff, open-mindedness, and a drive for independence and a relative degree of honesty with oneself

    I'm not 100% sure what you are, but imo you're not: 2,3,6,7,8, or 9

    edit: oh sh- sorry didn't see the date. must've been on the wrong page of threads.
    Last edited by Choice; 12-03-2018 at 02:42 AM.
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    Both types are high on Openness, a personality trait that measures the tendency to entertain unusual associations and is related to eg. artistic creativity, and both types have some issues with perseverance (Sevens moreso than Fours).

    The types are about average on dispositional empathy, the tendency to keep tabs on other peoples' emotional states, to give those feelings weight in your own decisionmaking - in short, to be compassionate and polite, with Fours being a smidge more empathetic than Sevens, who are little bit more self-centered than the average person.

    Where the largest differences between the types lie is emotional range. Sevens are very high on positive emotionality and reward sensitivity - they feel positive emotions for longer and more intensely than average, and are very attracted by the potential for rewarding things in the environment. They tend to be talkative, highly verbal and ready to speak their minds and find people's company highly rewarding. They are also undersensitive to negative emotional signals or signs of threat, shrugging off what'd cause other people considerable distress. This doesn't mean they don't feel negative emotions, merely that their experience of them is blunted, less intense than for most other people. It's easy to see how this reward-skewed emotional range and lack of self-control and perseverance would result in the scattered behavior Enneagram books describe. It's important to note that despite what the books say, Sevens are not especially anxious people at all, and in any case recover swiftly from distress. They just feel so many things are so rewarding, they have trouble narrowing down their focus. (This self-control is a key difference between Sevens and Eights, the latter being a little higher than average on self-control while Sevens being a lot below)

    Fours are the reverse on both counts, though not to as extreme a degree as Sevens are. Their positive emotional range and reward sensitivity are a little blunted, they don't find as many things rewarding enough to move for them as the average person does (this naturally leads to a narrower range of interests), to be a bit more quiet and unassertive on average, and tend to feel negative emotions more often than the average person and experience the world as a somewhat more uncertain and threatening place. This common experience of difficult emotions is, unsurprisingly, great fuel for finding worthwhile subject matter for artistic work, and many artists tend to have elevated levels of Neuroticism and Openness both, as Fours do.

    Contrast eg. Richard Branson and Gary Oldman. Examples below, fuck PerC URL parsing with a sandpapered rake:



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