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    3w4 vs. 4w3? Instinctual stacking?

    Sorry, I know there are a lot of these kinds of threads, but I've genuinely looked through all the different threads and still have had difficulty pinpointing where I am.

    So, a bit about me:

    I'm definitely image-oriented. I aspire to look strong, confident, relaxed, and cool. My clothing style tends to reflect that. I'm definitely attuned to trends, and try to incorporate them into my everyday looks--not willingly, though. My taste just naturally mimics that what is popular or elite. I dress well, but simply. I wear plain sweaters and pants and pay a lot of attention to look simple and relaxed. I don't want to look offensive or feel as though I come off as weird or unapproachable. And I have a very strong reaction to ugly things, ill-fitting clothes, or anything that doesn't really align with my ideal aesthetics. I'll always prefer to wear the same article of clothing 100 times than to wear something that I even mildly dislike. I often end up fighting my parents about my unique clothing identity, honestly. I cuff my pants and for some reason they can be really sensitive to that. I'm very attuned to my aesthetic and strive to work hard enough in order to afford better quality clothing--I want piles of cashmere, heh. Part of this comes from my desire to be a more successful and more attractive person. I want the best in life and I think my mind adapts to my aspirations pretty frequently. It's a weird sort of self-hypnosis, I guess?

    Outside of my aesthetic, I'm pretty ambitious. I go to a pretty good and globally respected school and am on the path for a very stable and fulfilling career. I have lots of ambitions and goals that all are centered around the person that I am and the gifts that I have. I also struggle a lot with job applications and presenting myself correctly. I don't know if this stems from a lack of understanding or a feeling of conformity/inadequacy. I'm always concerned that I'm not doing enough to show them that I am a capable, unique, and motivated individual better than other candidates. At times, I get very defensive about compromising my self and integrity if I feel I have to change wording or say something in a manner that I find ineffective or antiquated. I always prefer a more personal and informal tone and try to integrate that into my professional appearance to give the appearance of someone relatable and knowledgeable.

    With my friends, I always find myself adapting to their different behaviors, albeit, subconsciously. I honestly think this aspect is fading as I get older and more confident in my identity. I'm pretty well-liked, though I'm not really anyone's best friend. I am aiming high in my life goals and have pushed myself through a lot of emotional stresses and fears of failure. It's helped that I have been validated in having a stable career path (only as of November of this year!) and such. I probably sound like an asshole because all of this sounds really certain and definitive, when it's not quite so set in stone.

    So please, thoughts, opinions?



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    It's a very well delivered sub section of your tendencies. You seem to be very in touch with the plus side of your tendencies. That is great. This means you are de-emphasizing the down side and I really do think you are spot on with your analysis.

    You are so borderline 4w3 and 3w4 as to be almost indistinguishable as either one. But in every clause or structure above you put 4 ness above 3 ness in position. You almost screamed it. Now humorously this could be your 3 competing to be understood artistically first, or your special 4 ness demanding top billing. In either case who cares? You are in the right area.

    A 4 wears their clothes, a 3s clothes wear them. Do you see the difference? The 3, striving for image will make the choice based on image, out coming in. The 4 makes the choice from within, twisting the result to compete well, in going out.

    With each two types in the enneagram there is ALWAYS at least 1 way in which types next door to each other are INSANELY opposed to one another. The way I have shown you is the way between the 3 and 4.

    The inner world trumps the outer requirement in the 4. The outer requirement (image) trumps the inner world in the 3.

    I would say you are rather obviously 4w3.

    Then your title asks about stacking.

    You literally mention NOTHING in your entire post that overtly suggests intimacy or close knit scenarios. Everything you speak of is group oriented.

    So/Sp/Sx

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    Most likely 4w3..
    Raawx thanked this post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by series0 View Post
    It's a very well delivered sub section of your tendencies. You seem to be very in touch with the plus side of your tendencies. That is great. This means you are de-emphasizing the down side and I really do think you are spot on with your analysis.

    You are so borderline 4w3 and 3w4 as to be almost indistinguishable as either one. But in every clause or structure above you put 4 ness above 3 ness in position. You almost screamed it. Now humorously this could be your 3 competing to be understood artistically first, or your special 4 ness demanding top billing. In either case who cares? You are in the right area.

    A 4 wears their clothes, a 3s clothes wear them. Do you see the difference? The 3, striving for image will make the choice based on image, out coming in. The 4 makes the choice from within, twisting the result to compete well, in going out.

    With each two types in the enneagram there is ALWAYS at least 1 way in which types next door to each other are INSANELY opposed to one another. The way I have shown you is the way between the 3 and 4.

    The inner world trumps the outer requirement in the 4. The outer requirement (image) trumps the inner world in the 3.

    I would say you are rather obviously 4w3.
    Thank you for this analysis. I think you're right--I've always typed as a 4 rather than an a 3, but I just related strongly to my 3 aspect as well. As you explained, it's probably because both aspects are well-balanced and healthy. When I'm in a negative emotional place, I absolutely seek much much more validation than I should, as the 4 disintegrating into the 2 would. Thank you. This feels like a nice final verdict.

    Then your title asks about stacking.

    You literally mention NOTHING in your entire post that overtly suggests intimacy or close knit scenarios. Everything you speak of is group oriented.

    So/Sp/Sx
    Could you better explain this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raawx View Post
    Could you better explain this?
    Certainly.

    Socials are light touch emotionally, in general. They have a quantitative appraoch to interaction. They prefer more average friends over less special ones.

    Intimacy is reverse. It is heavy touch emotionally, in general. The appraoch is qualitative. They prefer less and more special friends to more and average ones.

    The third rung is the soloist. A tendency to relate well only to oneself and to be content doing so. It has to do with identification of separation on a profound level. I consider it very dangerous myself, yet, oddly, the tendency is required for in emergencies this type does well. That is the self-pres type. They are hyper concerned with their animal self. Kind of survivalist. Health related issues are big for them. The body.

    This is something associated with but to the side of the enneagram. I assumed when you asked about stacking that was what you were asking. Maybe you do not yet know the terminology. Essence stacking refers to those three distinctions in order. How much of each one you are. It is separate from your enneatype but the two are often shown together.

    I am 8w7, 3w4, 7w8 Sx(70)/So(25)/Sp(5)

    I even added percentages into my stacking above. At 70% Sx I am all about qualitative connection. I am passionate. I usually hate or love things, I tend not to just like or dislike them. I can pretend ... but usually I don't. I can handle social situations and every few days or so I will get the urge to speak or be in a group of people. But I can go for several months if I have to without any real social situations, just close friends. At 5% I am so not self pres its ridiculous and maybe even a slight weakness. I detest going anywhere alone even though I sometimes do. I prepare myself to be ready but I never think that if push comes to shove it would just be me against the world. This lack of connection to separation looks like weak dependence to some people. In the right situation it can become that in reality.

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    So you never explained why I am not INTJ.

    Expand why you want to be attractive to others.

    I'm pretty well-liked, though I'm not really anyone's best friend.
    This suggests you are probably Sx last.

    i am def 3, and I relate to everything, but I don't care about aesthetics that much, I don't seek stability, as you do, and what I quoted above.

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    you could fill out a questionaire and post in the "type me" forum.........

    what is your career? what is your age? What is your relationship with anger? With conflict?

    if you are in your early 20's, and your career is something to do with art, or fashion, or music or some form of art, i'd vote you to be an ISFP 9.

    I actually see NOTHING of any kind of conflict - all seems to me to be going with the flow.............

    to be fair, 9 and 3 have STRONG connections, and if you are indeed Fi/Se driven maybe your fashion desire is driven by something other than competence.

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    @series0 , thanks for the explanation. You've helped a lot.


    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pine View Post
    So you never explained why I am not INTJ.


    Oh, where did I say this? eheheh..

    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pine View Post
    Expand why you want to be attractive to others.
    Honestly, because of the correlations with attractiveness and success. It's a sort of power that I want to hold over people. I really want to be envied. That and it'll feel as though I've accomplished my inner aesthetic, which never feels fully expressed...

    Quote Originally Posted by series0 View Post
    Socials are light touch emotionally, in general. They have a quantitative appraoch to interaction. They prefer more average friends over less special ones.

    Intimacy is reverse. It is heavy touch emotionally, in general. The appraoch is qualitative. They prefer less and more special friends to more and average ones.

    The third rung is the soloist. A tendency to relate well only to oneself and to be content doing so. It has to do with identification of separation on a profound level. I consider it very dangerous myself, yet, oddly, the tendency is required for in emergencies this type does well. That is the self-pres type. They are hyper concerned with their animal self. Kind of survivalist. Health related issues are big for them. The body.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pine View Post
    This suggests you are probably Sx last.
    Thing is, based on what both of you wrote, I'm not sure if I communicated my relationships with people. All of them are very qualitative and I have many of them. All the people that I talk to in my life are people with whom have strong relationships with--I just don't talk with them at the same frequency as one would a best friend. So, I've got the depth, not the frequency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pine View Post
    i am def 3, and I relate to everything, but I don't care about aesthetics that much, I don't seek stability, as you do, and what I quoted above.
    Which is part of the reason why I'm starting to think I'm more SP than SO.

    Quote Originally Posted by drmiller100 View Post
    you could fill out a questionaire and post in the "type me" forum.........

    what is your career? what is your age? What is your relationship with anger? With conflict?

    if you are in your early 20's, and your career is something to do with art, or fashion, or music or some form of art, i'd vote you to be an ISFP 9.

    I actually see NOTHING of any kind of conflict - all seems to me to be going with the flow.............

    to be fair, 9 and 3 have STRONG connections, and if you are indeed Fi/Se driven maybe your fashion desire is driven by something other than competence.
    did i ask to be typed

    I'm an ENFP and that is certain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Thanatesque View Post
    This was weird for me. I could see myself more in the 3 than the 4, but neither I related to strongly. The 3 sounded much more aggressive, assertive, and sure of themselves than I am, where the 4 sounded so much more self-loathing and pitiful. The way they talked about suffering didn't seem remotely healthy...

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    Shockingly enough, the world does NOT revolve around you.

    I wasted my time giving my opinion, and you are rude in return.

    Good bye.


     
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