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    smiles.......
    what about 2? not as a core, but when things are going well, money is good, pain is ok, and life is generally pretty good.


    warm others in the glow of their hearts. They enliven others with their appreciation and attention, helping people to see positive qualities in themselves that they had not previously recognized. In short, healthy Twos are the embodiment of “the good parent” that everyone wishes they had: someone who sees them as they are, understands them with immense compassion, helps and encourages with infinite patience, and is always willing to lend a hand—while knowing precisely how and when to let go. - See more at: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t....loverto1.dpuf
    Empathetic, compassionate, feeling for others. Caring and concerned about their needs. Thoughtful, warm-hearted, forgiving and sincere. - See more at: https://Encouraging and appreciative, able to see the good in others. Service is important, but takes care of self too: they are nurturing, generous, and giving—a truly loving person. - See more at: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t....loverto1.dpuf/type-2/#sthash.loverto1.dpuf



  2. #12

    Quote Originally Posted by drmiller100 View Post
    smiles.......
    what about 2? not as a core, but when things are going well, money is good, pain is ok, and life is generally pretty good.


    warm others in the glow of their hearts. They enliven others with their appreciation and attention, helping people to see positive qualities in themselves that they had not previously recognized. In short, healthy Twos are the embodiment of “the good parent” that everyone wishes they had: someone who sees them as they are, understands them with immense compassion, helps and encourages with infinite patience, and is always willing to lend a hand—while knowing precisely how and when to let go. - See more at: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t....loverto1.dpuf
    Empathetic, compassionate, feeling for others. Caring and concerned about their needs. Thoughtful, warm-hearted, forgiving and sincere. - See more at: https://Encouraging and appreciative, able to see the good in others. Service is important, but takes care of self too: they are nurturing, generous, and giving—a truly loving person. - See more at: https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/t....loverto1.dpuf/type-2/#sthash.loverto1.dpuf


    There might be aspects there with patience but it's not the sum of me...more like a bit of a surprise if you look closer. I read novels out loud of the Harry Potter series (big arsed novels) to my daughter over time to show her the joy of reading. It worked too. She read the rest on her own and I was glad of it. I'm generous. I am sincere even when I am brutalising for the better good. I don't like giving a hand indefinitely but I pitch in when needed. I'm not a caretaker. I'm a pit stop. Most of it is behind a bastard streak of jokes dark humour and nonchalance. It's what my long lasting friends kinda say about me. They hug me even when I don't want it (but secretly do).

  3. #13

    Quote Originally Posted by bethdeth View Post
    There might be aspects there with patience but it's not the sum of me...more like a bit of a surprise if you look closer..
    enneagram theory says you have a core. with wings.

    you also have a line to two other types. as an example, an 8 has lines to 5 and 2. In theory, when we are beat up or tired for extended times, we go to our disintegration - the 5. when we are happy, and healhty and growing we work on our integration - 2.
    some say you work back and forth between both lines as time goes by, and you work on your core also. For me, I settled on 8 eventually, and the 5 was obvious. 2 was much less so - 3 or 1 were more obvious to me than 2.
    over time, i did figure out the line to 2, and i did figure out I am growing towards it. it is not obvious, but it shows in bigger picture decisions in my life - where to work, patience, people I help, things I do.

    sometimes it helps to compare yourself at the age fo 25 to where you are now. Are you doing more 2 stuff?

    I've spent enough time in shitland I can be a damn good 5. Perc is a 5 place for me - I can research, and read, and immerse myself in the information and drama of it all and numb myself to real life. typing others might be an example of 5 and 8 - using that knowledge to practice and type others. Doing it nicely is more of a 2 thing. helping others figure out what they are.

    actually, the 8 is probably more when I get pissed and flame someone. it's my go to move, and costs me nothing, and damn near automatic.

    when done, typing is just giving ideas and opinions and letting people decide for themselves. our vision of ourself changes and morphs and grows. and our selves grow and morph and change. enneagram is fascinating to me - lots of different viewpoints and filters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bethdeth View Post
    I was taken aback when you said I was perhaps a 1. Man, if you only knew how many times I've blown up the forum and had to fix my mistakes and how many times Siggy slapped me for getting processes wrong (she does not pick little faults because she can). She was awesome. I'm not that critical of people. I loathe being micromanaged or having to be involved in being a micromanager.

    With the 9w8 I thought I fit so/sp better than sx or leading sp. I have often sought out vulnerable people and stood by them against a group of people and created another group for them. I've chosen to work with people with disabilities now because I relate to them on different levels.

    a) I know what it's like to be misunderstood. I know what it's like to be in pain, I know what it's like to have things I can't do.
    b) I don't have to try and form an image to show people who I am. I'm reserved, absolute crap at projecting who I am and I like to see how people are before I have involvement with them. I'm there to facilitate their accessibility as a functioning member. It's how I view the moderating here too.
    more assertive than Social 9 (Social 9 is more conformist/"let's all get along!").

    I don't see 8w9 though. 8s have a greater drive to dominate their environment (at least in a material sense. they're less likely to be concerned with it in a social sense)

    PS: if you're considering 2 as a fix (which I do not see), check out Beatrice Chestnut's descriptions. Enneagram Institute's work on 2s is dreadful (actually, most of their descriptions in general are, but mostly 2, 5, 6 and 8).




  6. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana View Post
    8s have a greater drive to dominate their environment (at least in a material sense. they're less likely to be concerned with it in a social sense)

    .
    Ummmmm, under her name is the word "Administrator" I think she's ok being in control.

    (smiles.......)

  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana View Post
    more assertive than Social 9 (Social 9 is more conformist/"let's all get along!").

    I don't see 8w9 though. 8s have a greater drive to dominate their environment (at least in a material sense. they're less likely to be concerned with it in a social sense)

    PS: if you're considering 2 as a fix (which I do not see), check out Beatrice Chestnut's descriptions. Enneagram Institute's work on 2s is dreadful (actually, most of their descriptions in general are, but mostly 2, 5, 6 and 8).
    Well, I have pretty much dominated the environment by sticking around long enough to be useful. I just don't see the need to actually dominate. I want everyone to have a voice and I want to enable them to have it. I don't throw myself around like a washing mashing on the blink when problems arise. I over-ride moods, temptations and going into fight on threads even if I really, really want to.

    ....and this is probably closer to me but I never would have considered 2 anywhere before but I see it and my close friends see aspects of my "helpfulness"as well and it was pretty insightful for drmiller to see that..... but then again I do catch up with him from time to time to check in and say hi and we are both few on words....but they are brutally honest words.

    https://personalitycafe.com/type-8-fo...-chestnut.html
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  8. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by drmiller100 View Post
    enneagram theory says you have a core. with wings.

    you also have a line to two other types. as an example, an 8 has lines to 5 and 2. In theory, when we are beat up or tired for extended times, we go to our disintegration - the 5. when we are happy, and healhty and growing we work on our integration - 2.
    some say you work back and forth between both lines as time goes by, and you work on your core also. For me, I settled on 8 eventually, and the 5 was obvious. 2 was much less so - 3 or 1 were more obvious to me than 2.
    over time, i did figure out the line to 2, and i did figure out I am growing towards it. it is not obvious, but it shows in bigger picture decisions in my life - where to work, patience, people I help, things I do.

    sometimes it helps to compare yourself at the age fo 25 to where you are now. Are you doing more 2 stuff?

    I've spent enough time in shitland I can be a damn good 5. Perc is a 5 place for me - I can research, and read, and immerse myself in the information and drama of it all and numb myself to real life. typing others might be an example of 5 and 8 - using that knowledge to practice and type others. Doing it nicely is more of a 2 thing. helping others figure out what they are.

    actually, the 8 is probably more when I get pissed and flame someone. it's my go to move, and costs me nothing, and damn near automatic.

    when done, typing is just giving ideas and opinions and letting people decide for themselves. our vision of ourself changes and morphs and grows. and our selves grow and morph and change. enneagram is fascinating to me - lots of different viewpoints and filters.
    At 25 I was physically strong and mentally tough although I was a bit of a babe in the woods emotionally. I did not understand what it meant to be in service for others. I hated actually waiting on people, going to them. I was much better at them coming to me where I had the control of the bar.

    I can remember having control of the bar and closing time is usually a time where stragglers ask for more drinks, hang around for an hour more but I had closing time to an art form and people would disappear much more quickly for me than other people closing. GTFO, show is over, I've had enough was what my line of thinking was. I would put grown men in their place pretty easily and if they played up then I kicked them out. It was pretty simple. We did not even have bouncers. If it got violent there were always a crew of admirers to back me up but it never really got to that (bar one occasion when I was alone and held in the headlock by a big Viking like man for a few minutes, I called the cops but he left the bar before they came and they held him up outside).


    Even then I didn't like the idea of being ethically dubious in my work though. I'd listen to people go on about their problems and know I was part of the problem (being paid to make them drunk). It's what compelled me to go to uni to study ----which ended up being behavioural science.

    I would say helping in an overt way came later. It's something my friends could see before that though. I've turned out the entire contents of my purse for friends if they are in need. I've sat through and waited at their bedside when they've attempted suicide. I've gone and done their dishes when they're sick as just a matter of course, of what friendship means. I wouldn't say I'm an emotionally there person for them. I talk through how they need to this or that but I don't hug, give cards or accept their bullshit and agree on it.
    Last edited by beth x; 05-12-2016 at 04:54 PM.
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  9. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by drmiller100 View Post
    Ummmmm, under her name is the word "Administrator" I think she's ok being in control.
    indeed, but equating being a moderator with the "control" desired by an 8 is silly. 8s are more concerned with tangible control (that not to say all 8s are empire builders or wall street bankers, but the type of control granted to moderators isn't exactly going to do much toward satisfying this desire). if anything, desiring such a position is more 1-ish/6 with a 1 fix

    (smiles.......)

    I realize we're not no the best of terms, but please stop responding to every one of my posts like you're about to scold me. it's incredibly petty and is getting to the point of disrespect. thank you




  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by Swordsman of Mana View Post
    indeed, but equating being a moderator with the "control" desired by an 8 is silly. 8s are more concerned with tangible control (that not to say all 8s are empire builders or wall street bankers, but the type of control granted to moderators isn't exactly going to do much toward satisfying this desire). if anything, desiring such a position is more 1-ish/6 with a 1 fix



    I realize we're not no the best of terms, but please stop responding to every one of my posts like you're about to scold me. it's incredibly petty and is getting to the point of disrespect. thank you
    Being a mod is not about control. If you are there for that reason then you wouldn't want to do what we do. It's about trying to be even, work as a team, have each other's backs, weed out trouble, edit on demand, deal with pushbacks without taking it personally and still have fun.
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  11. #20

    Quote Originally Posted by bethdeth View Post
    Being a mod is not about control. If you are there for that reason then you wouldn't want to do what we do. It's about trying to be even, work as a team, have each other's backs, weed out trouble, edit on demand, deal with pushbacks without taking it personally and still have fun.
    bingo! it's 1-ish, 9-ish and 6-ish more than "har! I want CONTROL!"





     
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