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  1. #21

    Okay, I'm back and I'd like to try this again with your help, and this time I want it done and gone out of my mind. The more I read about the types, the more I see myself in most of them, so now I'm stuck. Comming to conclusions on my own is gonna be tough - any help is very welcome. Por favor, don't bee too hard on me if I make some generalizations.


    1:

    + I want to look perfect and to develop myself as much as I can - to become some sort of Ubermensch. Also, there are things that make me feel like Calimero the Chicken or V from V for Vendetta - for example, innocent people who are imprisoned. I think the whole society is flawed and should be changed, starting from a simple man who needs to evolve intellectually and learn to think independently of artificial, ilogically imponed laws and beliefs.

    - Although I can't stand injustice, I'm not a very moral person. My moral is based on logic more than on feelings of right and wrong (I don't really have those). To me, something is acceptable if it makes logical sense, and unfair if nonsensical.

    2:

    + Can't think of anything.

    - I hate being servantile and inferior to others. I don't feel attached to people and I don't think I could even if I wanted to. I hate being clingy and needy and I never feel that I must be helpful etc. in order to be loved. When I help others, I do it when I see that they need help, and I'm able to do it.

    3:

    + I'm competitive in everything that interests me; I have to be the best + to be respected for it. However, the most 3-ish thing about me is something I hate admitting, but since it's the biggest reason I doubt I might be 3, here it is. I hate how I look. Now, I might have Body Dysmorphic Disorder so I'm not sure how much it has to do with it and how much with my personality, but I feel I can't be considered beautiful and worthy of love unless I'm absolutely perfect. People tell me I'm stunning and I know almost everyone finds me attractive, but I think that's because I've learned to sense what others like so I mould myself into that. Even though I'm pretty antisocial, I can be very charming.

    - I am ambitious, but very lazy. It might have something to do with being very young and never having a real job, but nevertheless, I'd prefer beeing my own boss without having to waste half of my life until I get there.

    4:

    + I feel different and unique (but that might simply be a normal sense of self, we all have it).
    I can be jealous of others if they have something I want, or if they're happy and I'm not.
    I'm very imaginative and love to daydream, making myself a hero in some imaginary world or future. I feel sad and depressed because me and my life aren't that perfect in the real world. But this is only when I'm bored.
    When I was a kid, I always wanted to be someone else (it was usually Lara Croft :) ) I still wonder if my personality might be a mix of all those characters I was identifying with.

    - Even if it is a mix, now it's mine, and I'm aware of that personality, and I like it. I'm not uncertain about who I am; I'm very, very self-confident about my personality and actions.
    I'm more concerned with how others perceive me than how I percieve myself.
    I'm out of touch with my emotions.
    I'm actually very practical.

    5:

    + I love learning about things that interest me. I'm highly intelligent and rational, to the point that I feel detached from others and even from the reality, which is often too boring compared to my imagination. I'm extroverted, but very introspective at the same time. I'm both the actor and the observer, depending on my mood.

    - Since 5 isn't about IQ but feeling of competence, it doesn't quite fit me. I don't need to be a know-it-all to feel capable, on the contrary; I love experimenting to see how far I can get just by connecting the dots I've picked up somewhere along the road. And I'm not cautious at all - I usually jump in head-first and only later use my actual head.

    6 (CP 6):

    + Big issues with authority and trust. I doubt everything and everyone.

    - 6s are all about fear and overcoming it, but I don't remember when was the last time I was afraid. I'm as flegmatic as they get about many things everyone else would consider terrifying. The only thing that can make me sense fear is getting close to someone emotionally, and that's only a guess, since I'd never let it happen.
    I don't think about the "worst case scenario" - or rather, I do, but only because I'm always aware of all the possible implications, both good and bad, and the bad doesn't concern me.

    +/- I'm thinking about that counterphobic reaction to a fight. If I care deeply about some issue, I can fight passionately. If I don't I'm rather indifferent. Now, all this can be attributed to cp6, but they act out of fear, no matter how well hidden, and I either don't feel it, or don't recognize it. I'm always in control of the fight. In those rare occasions that I feel as if I'm not, I feel out of touch with myself and therefore insecure.

    7:

    + One word: FREEDOM. The most important thing to me.
    I want to experience many things that interest me, but that might have something to do with my "bucketlist". I want to do things so that I can look back to my life and say it was interesting and fulfilling.
    I can be easy-going, flirty and very sunny, but I don't know how much of it is acting and how much genuine.
    - I'm not afraid of the pain; I firmly believe in the saying: "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger".
    I'm not addictive at all.
    I am popular, but not the life of the party. Not even in the good mood, and in a bad mood I'm just too brooding and snarky.
    I'm thin :) (bad joke, sorry)

    8:

    + I must be the one in control. Luckilly, I'm a born leader, so I usually get very easily what I want. I'm assertive and always say what's on my mind; I love saying what I think and getting a reaction from people, especially those I respect.
    I act spontaneously, think later.
    I feel weak when I feel weak (wow, this made sense...). I can only be my true self when I'm strong.
    I like getting things done. Including figuring out my goddamn type. :)

    - 8s seem like a rock, and I don't feel that way. On the outside - yes, but I can be depressed and/or disappointed if things aren't the way I want them to be: myself, my relationships, situations and the plans I've made. And I care what others think of me.

    9:

    + I want love.
    +/- I'm oscilating between relaxed, easy-going and high-strung.
    - I definitely don't feel connected to others, no need to go with the flow, and I don't seek peace and harmony.

    The only thing I'm sure about is that I'm not 2 or 9. And that I'm sx variant. And that's about it... xD
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  2. #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Saira View Post
    3:

    + I'm competitive in everything that interests me; I have to be the best + to be respected for it. However, the most 3-ish thing about me is something I hate admitting, but since it's the biggest reason I doubt I might be 3, here it is. I hate how I look. Now, I might have Body Dysmorphic Disorder so I'm not sure how much it has to do with it and how much with my personality, but I feel I can't be considered beautiful and worthy of love unless I'm absolutely perfect. People tell me I'm stunning and I know almost everyone finds me attractive, but I think that's because I've learned to sense what others like so I mould myself into that. Even though I'm pretty antisocial, I can be very charming.
    3s are more about projecting their success or ability when projecting. Perhaps how attractive you see yourself as plays a role in deciding this... I don't think they're necessarily connected. 3s judge how worthy they are for acceptance based on performance, and I don't see that in your words.


    - I am ambitious, but very lazy. It might have something to do with being very young and never having a real job, but nevertheless, I'd prefer beeing my own boss without having to waste half of my life until I get there.
    Considering your lifestyle over time and description of being lazy, I don't think success is your driving motivation. Being your own boss does not have to include being energized for success, it means you want to be independent.
    ---

    7:

    + One word: FREEDOM. The most important thing to me.
    I want to experience many things that interest me, but that might have something to do with my "bucketlist". I want to do things so that I can look back to my life and say it was interesting and fulfilling.
    I can be easy-going, flirty and very sunny, but I don't know how much of it is acting and how much genuine.
    - I'm not afraid of the pain; I firmly believe in the saying: "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger".
    I'm not addictive at all.
    I am popular, but not the life of the party. Not even in the good mood, and in a bad mood I'm just too brooding and snarky.
    I'm thin :) (bad joke, sorry)
    7s are known to be afraid of deprivation, but I'm not sure how this plays out in a 7w8 often. Life is fulfilling if you're having a good time has been what I've known from 7w8, but that doesn't sound like the direction you're going. Your lust sounds more like long term achievements than indulging the experience. I lean away from 7.

    ---
    8:

    + I must be the one in control. Luckilly, I'm a born leader, so I usually get very easily what I want. I'm assertive and always say what's on my mind; I love saying what I think and getting a reaction from people, especially those I respect.
    I act spontaneously, think later.
    I feel weak when I feel weak (wow, this made sense...). I can only be my true self when I'm strong.
    I like getting things done. Including figuring out my goddamn type. :)

    - 8s seem like a rock, and I don't feel that way. On the outside - yes, but I can be depressed and/or disappointed if things aren't the way I want them to be: myself, my relationships, situations and the plans I've made. And I care what others think of me.
    You've shown a belief in seeing actions as a form of manipulation without being fitting into the type 3 from my interpretation. 8s are known to observe/read people as you have and acting in a way that gets the desired response because all of those little things people are doing is perceived as getting at something they want because the world is viewed as a free-for-all and everyone is trying to get something.

    8s may have a cynical view, but I think in a similar way to the MBTI the Enneagram makes a similar mistake by saying it must dictate the attitude too much. Not all 8s carry themselves in quite the same way due to outside influences and learning experiences. I lean towards 8w7 for you.

    EDIT: After review of the OP I think you're most likely a 7w8 with strong 8 influences and you got some very 3-like ideals going there.
    Last edited by Wake; 04-10-2012 at 12:13 AM.

  3. #23

    @Saira , what drives your need for independence? What do you think, feel, or anything else notable. Feel free to describe your experiences.

    Do you consider yourself a thrill seeker by any means? How much do you embrace the experience of life?
    Last edited by Wake; 04-10-2012 at 01:58 AM.
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  5. #24

    Thanks so much, Wake :D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake
    Do you consider yourself a thrill seeker by any means? How much do you embrace the experience of life?
    Oh, I'm a big thrill-seeker, love the nature, extreme sports etc. I feel alive when I do risky things. But I'm too lazy to actively seek new experiences. I have many ideas, but rarely realize them. I thought I was a 7, but I then I realized that I don't seek new things for the sake of it, only those which interest me and keep my adrenaline high.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake
    @Saira , what drives your need for independence? What do you think, feel, or anything else notable. Feel free to describe your experiences.
    Now, this is a toughie, since I haven't really thought about why I need it... But I sure do. Let's see...

    I don't trust others to be honest or strong enough to support me. I'm the only person I can rely on, the only person who cares about me (not that I care much). I also think others are less competent than me, especially when it comes to making decisions about my own life. It might sound opinionated, but I think my way of seeing things (especially life in general) is the correct one, and most other people are blind to how the world really functions. And it functions freely - we don't need any system, especially not the one we currently live in. Haha, I should really try to philosophize less, but this was mostly cause I think it's a 7-ish way of seeing things... :)

    My experiences mostly concern fights with my parents - we used to get into many conflicts considering my choices in life - jobs, friends etc. My dad is some SJ type + a very phobic 6 (I'm sure of it) who needs to rely on structures and who's afraid of life and judgement of others. I see the world totally differently, like a game where I'm on the top; if I learn how to pull the strings, I can get anything I want from it. And that's why I need to be independent (and also why I need to be perfect) - it makes me feel powerful, and power (both over myself and the world) makes me feel so confident and relaxed and overall a better person.

  6. #25

    @Saira
    my thoughts so far
    - definitely 7 fixed (probably wing 8)
    - definitely 3 fixed (probably wing 2)
    - unsure of the wings of both
    - probably 8 fixed or 1 fixed (you don't seem 9 fixed at all)
    - you seem Sx dom, probably Sx/So



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  7. #26

    Quote Originally Posted by Saira View Post
    Thanks so much, Wake :D



    Oh, I'm a big thrill-seeker, love the nature, extreme sports etc. I feel alive when I do risky things. But I'm too lazy to actively seek new experiences. I have many ideas, but rarely realize them. I thought I was a 7, but I then I realized that I don't seek new things for the sake of it, only those which interest me and keep my adrenaline high.



    Now, this is a toughie, since I haven't really thought about why I need it... But I sure do. Let's see...

    I don't trust others to be honest or strong enough to support me. I'm the only person I can rely on, the only person who cares about me (not that I care much). I also think others are less competent than me, especially when it comes to making decisions about my own life. It might sound opinionated, but I think my way of seeing things (especially life in general) is the correct one, and most other people are blind to how the world really functions. And it functions freely - we don't need any system, especially not the one we currently live in. Haha, I should really try to philosophize less, but this was mostly cause I think it's a 7-ish way of seeing things... :)

    My experiences mostly concern fights with my parents - we used to get into many conflicts considering my choices in life - jobs, friends etc. My dad is some SJ type + a very phobic 6 (I'm sure of it) who needs to rely on structures and who's afraid of life and judgement of others. I see the world totally differently, like a game where I'm on the top; if I learn how to pull the strings, I can get anything I want from it. And that's why I need to be independent (and also why I need to be perfect) - it makes me feel powerful, and power (both over myself and the world) makes me feel so confident and relaxed and overall a better person.
    Perhaps this belief in the fact that no one is looking out for your besides you when it comes down to it is the basis of what people would call an 8 fix, and your core desire to find stimulating events is what makes you core 7. This goal orientation is what would make you wing 8 for gains along with the description below seems to fit you, while how you conduct yourself doesn't fit the 8 attitude.
    - the 7w8 is much less agreeable. they still (usually) have the friendly, enthusiastic 7 demeanor, but 7w8s can be a little more pushy if they want something.
    - generally the 7w8 will have a stronger connection to their body, having more "presence" than the 7w6
    - 7w8s, particularly Sp doms, have a greater desire for tangible power
    - the 7w8 often has biting, somewhat controversial humor. the 7w6's humor is warmer and (for me at least) makes you want to hug them
    - 7s all avoid pain, but 7w8s often thrive on conflict. for me at least, conflict is intellectually stimulating and a natural part of life; 7w6s in my experience are more conflict avoidant
    - 7w8 is a freedom seeking. these goals often take precedence over personal relationships
    - 7w8s demand personal space. we feel suffocated and get irritable without this
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  8. #27

    Guys, thank you so much!

    I've just read almost every thread about 7s, and it definitely is the best core choice. I've found out they don't necessarily have to be "woohoo, party!!!" types, but can also be dark, brooding, controlling and individualistic, and with an 8 wing and an 8 fix, it fits me great. Not that I can't be bubbly and talkative :D

    I also thought about having 1 fixed. I find myself there much less than in 8's descriptions, so I ruled it out. I only identify with the part about perfectionism. It might be connected with 7 going to 1 under stress, since I don't tend to pay much attention to perfection unless I'm nervous.

    3 fixed would explain my need to prove myself to everyone, look perfect and be admired. I was also torn between 3w2 and 3w4, but w2 seems to outweigh w4.

    I know n2freedom thought I was 7w6 and gave very good reasons for it, but those couple of questions I've answered can't give a full picture. I've thought about having a 6 wing, but I just can't see myself there, especially compared to an 8 wing.

    All right, I won't bother you anymore; you've all helped me a lot and I'd like to draw a conclusion (unless I manage to find something that fits even better): 7w8, 8w7, 3w2, sx/so.
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