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This is a discussion on Enneagram 9 Instincts within the What's my Enneagram type? forums, part of the Enneagram Personality Theory Forum category; Here's an info dump from the Typewatch blog , the soc-dom variants. It's getting a lot more known that instincts ...

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    Here's an info dump from the Typewatch blog, the soc-dom variants. It's getting a lot more known that instincts can have different ranges, as @Rim mentioned. I agree with everyone who has said that your secondary instinct is fairly weak, so look into the so/sx lightside and so/sp warmside.

    So/sx
    the so/sx version is what I call lightside (soc as unquestioned dictator, just as in warmside so/sp), and on the other end is the darkside (soc as chairman, sx as vice chairman who sleeps with the chairman). and the midrange, that lovely muddy area in between where soc is the boss but sx at least has its own corner office.

    lightsiders vs darksiders is almost like a phobic/counterphobic split in attitude. the lightside is engaging, ingratiating even, and is the closest to what has become the stereotype for so/sx. unmistakably friendly, amusing, eager to attend to others in a personal, customized way. also hesitant or unwilling to upset the delicate chemistry or harmony of individual or group dynamics, since soc cohesion is at a premium. some famous lightsiders: mister rogers, steve carrell, george foreman, ben affleck, zach braff, michael jackson, and bill clinton.

    darksiders on the other hand seem eager to prove their soc isn't in full control, so they typically test the boundaries of traditional soc values. maybe knee-jerk reactions against sheepish herd behavior, group mentalities, or warmside strategies for making connections. they aren't any less healthy by definition, but can seem that way due to their darker, more confrontational manner. they use highly customized interactive tactics like all so/sx's, but in a more uncompromising "keeping it real" way, owing to the active tension between "good" soc and "bad" sx. some examples are woody harrelson, frank zappa, jack nicholson, lauryn hill, judy garland, chris rock, eminem, george carlin, andy warhol.

    midrange so/sx's have a less pre-committed way of dealing with people, and therefore seem to express the mercurial qualities of the so/sx nature more than the others. I used to call it the "grey" range since it made me think of dusky unreadability, or manipulation through inscrutability. midrange so/sx's seem especially averse to being predictable, preferring the license to adapt whatever attitude the situation requires. until those conditions are clear they default to a kind of seeming indifference or nonchalance (a stark contrast to the sociably upfront quality of their cordial so/sp cousins). some examples of this pliant, laid back range of so/sx are hugh laurie, gene simmons, brad pitt, howard stern, hugh grant, shaquille o'neal, and garfield the cat.
    So/sp
    so/sp warmside (weak sp) - pulls from sx/so to enhance outer warmth, revving up the soc to where they can pass off as more stereotypically so/sx than many true so/sx's. not surprisingly, many supposed so/sx's are in fact so/sp's of this range. being sx last they tend to relate less through nonverbal expression and more through talking and joking around; but what they lack in subtlety they may make up for in overt conscientiousness, whereas so/sx's tend to be subtle and tactful. the populist, the humorist, the fundraiser. jay leno, arnold schwarzenegger, conan o'brien, "the rock", john mccain, ellen degeneres, george w. bush.

    so/sp cordial (midrange) - the classic or 'true' so/sp, not likely to be mistaken for either so/sx nor sp/so. the most wide reaching and moderate of the ranges; friendly but not ingratiating, anchored by a larger sense of community but not at the expense of delicate alliances. more verbal than the formal range but less sociable than warmsiders; have a strong sense of fairness and equality, though an academic or careerist bent may come off as elitist. the journalist, the globalist, the egalitarian. obama, bob costas, mike wallace, al gore, hillary clinton, steve nash.

    so/sp formal (strong sp) - pulls from sp/sx for a more self contained style. soc while still primary, is muted; can seem critical and more impersonal than the other ranges. a usual focus on topics, issues, and responsibilities affecting specific levels of society. usually well connected, but in informal settings may let others do most of the talking. can seem self pres at first glance. the pundit, the judge, the commentator. george will, larry king, bill maher, bill o'reilly, helen clark, jesse ventura, margaret thatcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonny View Post
    But but

    xD
    Hey now, I was out of town for the weekend. The weather got really nice here all of the sudden.

    That being said, I get So/Sp from your responses. I'm not sure where people see the Sx. You seem like a friendly, easygoing person, and you look for comfort which is an Sp tendency. Sx likes turbulence, intensity, an element of uncertainty. So/Sp seems reasonable. Have you taken a look at these descriptions yet? Also, do you need any input on tritype?

    Edit: Did not see @Paradigm 's post there XD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paradigm View Post
    Here's an info dump from the Typewatch blog, the soc-dom variants. It's getting a lot more known that instincts can have different ranges, as @Rim mentioned. I agree with everyone who has said that your secondary instinct is fairly weak, so look into the so/sx lightside and so/sp warmside.

    So/sx
    The lightside is engaging, ingratiating even, and is the closest to what has become the stereotype for so/sx. unmistakably friendly, amusing, eager to attend to others in a personal, customized way. also hesitant or unwilling to upset the delicate chemistry or harmony of individual or group dynamics, since soc cohesion is at a premium.

    So/sp
    so/sp warmside (weak sp) - pulls from sx/so to enhance outer warmth, revving up the soc to where they can pass off as more stereotypically so/sx than many true so/sx's. not surprisingly, many supposed so/sx's are in fact so/sp's of this range. being sx last they tend to relate less through nonverbal expression and more through talking and joking around; but what they lack in subtlety they may make up for in overt conscientiousness, whereas so/sx's tend to be subtle and tactful. the populist, the humorist, the fundraiser.
    Can definitely see that one of them would be right for me, and explain why I feel both Sp and Sx are equally dismal. Guess it means motivations matter more than behaviour in terms of determining my secondary instinct.

    And darn that as my biggest issue is all the crap that goes with being an E9 and getting a strong sense of self. I struggle to see who I am unless seen through other people's eyes and articulated back to me.


    Quote Originally Posted by Spades View Post
    Hey now, I was out of town for the weekend. The weather got really nice here all of the sudden.

    That being said, I get So/Sp from your responses. I'm not sure where people see the Sx. You seem like a friendly, easygoing person, and you look for comfort which is an Sp tendency. Sx likes turbulence, intensity, an element of uncertainty. So/Sp seems reasonable. Have you taken a look at these descriptions yet? Also, do you need any input on tritype?
    Cheers. I'm yet to see the value in tritype beyond the descriptive, I relate strongly to 9 gut and 7 head but the heart triad is pretty insignificant to me, I go with 3 cause why not but overall it spreads things too thin for me. Understanding I can identify strongly with E7, just without the high energy levels may give a better picture of me than saying I'm an E9 though. Feel free to give me a different heart type if you think one is more apt.

    Comfort is, comfortable. I'm not formal and neglect pretty much all of my basic needs but I do enjoy comfort. I'm in full support of hedonism. [ETA: Just realised hedonism is about excess so may not be the best support of Sp needs]

    Think the things people most commonly say about me without knowing me deeply is that I'm very friendly, helpful and diplomatic. I can't help it, I want to be accepted and included, and I need to maintain peace.

    I don't enjoy turbulence, I wonder what an E9 Sx would say on that though as avoiding disruption to peace is the big deal for 9s.

    A passionless person is something that slays me more so than someone who violates my So values of selfishness at the expense of others. In a way I seek depth in others and adore intensity, it's just that I can't handle it for too long, so back off for a while and reassert my independence. I love getting through to people's deeper bits and having them talk about something real to them, it engages me completely. But then I don't seem to care if a quick intense interaction with someone turns into someone I say hey to and nothing more in the future. I can do the surface So thing easily.

    I relate very, very strongly to the E8 values of independence and avoiding vulnerability so getting too close to someone who could jeopardise either of those things is bad, bad, bad.


    Quote Originally Posted by Rim View Post
    If you want my honest opinion..having Sp last kinda sux :P. Sp has obvious benefits , thou Sp types kinda seem more selfish.
    What are the benefits you see?
    Last edited by Sonny; 03-20-2012 at 04:19 AM. Reason: Oops
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    Lately after denying resigning and finally accepting I am full package 9 I felt less alone. I stopped blaming myself for being:
    Avoidant
    Lazy
    Procrastination driven
    Out there at times
    Very spiritual
    Camelion
    Physically self neglectful
    Very friendly
    Self less
    Lovable
    Loyal
    Upstanding
    Modest a lot
    Could easily become co dependent
    Not many close relationships
    Fun loving
    Good sense of humor
    Open minded
    Dad I wanted to kill

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    @Sonny - I definitely see the Type 9 and some 7 in your description. But aside from that which you already know, I see So/Sp. I didn't see any Sx at all, really. ^^ You are definitely So. What's funny is when I took instinctual variant tests, I had very developed Sp as well. Sometimes I was told I was Sp/So, with So way back there. You just seem very balanced between So and Sp. :)
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