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    ENTP

    I have no idea what type I am. Please help!

    I've been researching MBTI for a few years now, looking at the theory, the cognitive functions, etc. Unfortunately I've never been able to type myself. I've found the test to be very badly worded and un-helpful, and self-evaluating to be unreliable. I'm constantly changing my behavior, too, which makes things harder.

    I want a third opinion from people who are more experience in MBTI. Here's a (probably innacurate) description of what I'm like:

    - I can easily change my behavior, in a way that's almost manipulative at times.
    - I like to make schedules and plans and monitor progress and such, but I'm also very lazy, I procrastinate a lot, and I am incredibly messy.
    - I tend to be very blunt.
    - I joke around a lot. Er. Morbid jokes, I suppose, a practical joke or two, or lying before eventually saying: "I was lying the whole time. Ha!"
    - I'm honest, but not honest at the same time. I'm blunt, but I lie.
    - I often laugh at things that are not funny. Ahem. Such as shows that are supposed to be incredibly sad.
    - I both like chaos and order. I like taking leadership positions and having a controlled enviornment, but at the same time I enjoy incredibly chaotic environments. Somebody else: "Come on, guys, stop fooling around." Me: "AMEN." "Seriously, we shouldn't be doing this." "HALLELUJAH!" And then at other times I'm trying to impose control and get everybody to listen.
    - When everybody else is stressed, I shout for silence and say the plan. Which is often a terrible plan. Or I calmly say the plan. Kind of a "Harry, did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?" versus "HARRY DIDJA PUT YER NAME IN THE GOBLET OF FIIIIYA?"
    - I'm often standing with my arms crossed. Which opposes everything stated above.
    - I'm an ambivert. I get tired when I'm with people but energized at the same time.
    - I spend a lot of time on the Internet.
    - I enjoy reading and creative writing.
    - I love discussions. About politics, about philosophy, about random theories. And debates.
    - My first reaction when somebody gets mad at me is to yell back, say something sarcastic, or mock them.
    - I'm very sarcastic.
    - I'm sure this entire thing paints me as some sort of loud, constantly joking person, but oftentimes I'm very quiet and incredibly hostile. I'll ignore somebody in a very obvious way until they leave me alone.
    - Logging things and remembering is important to me.
    - I want to help the world when I grow up. I want to become rich, then give all my money away.
    - I very rarely care about something, or /truly/ get excited.
    - I appear confident, but I'm constantly doubting myself.
    - When presented with a problem, I either: a) Tell everybody: "shut up and let me figure this out" or b) Tell everybody: "let's figure this out."
    - I daydream a lot.
    - My arguments usually look something like this: a) here's the evidence that proves that I'm right b) here's the logic that proves that I'm right c) here's the ethics that proves that I'm right
    - I feel bad when I'm too mean, but also at the same time... Don't really give a damn.
    - I have tons of ideas but I rarely follow them through.
    - I'm a very contradictory person who changes their personality a lot depending on the situation, so this description really isn't...exactly me, all the time.

    Apologies for the long post.

    Edit: (My online persona is different from my irl one.) Things to add:
    - I'm quieter around strangers and louder with friends, but I'm not shy.
    - I rarely offer a set decision and instead several different possibilities.
    - I leave a conversation when people start talking about stoves. (Basically, uninteresting things. And I dislike small chat.)
    - I like to get things done but at the same time I'm just so lazy.

    Edit 2: Wow, there's a questionnaire. Should probably have filled that out. Oh well.
    Last edited by FARAWAY; 08-10-2017 at 04:07 AM.



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    What do you mean with constantly changing your behaviour? Are you saying that you adapt to situations by shaping yourself? Personally, I don't think people change at their core so rapidly.

    A thing about some of your points is that I don't really know how you think from them (things like interests and whatnot can belong to any type), but I could take information from some. Though, I need clarification on other things: when you say you daydream a lot, what are you usually thinking about? Could you describe what your mind's usually like, in terms of surfacing thoughts? Also, how would you observe your surroundings? Like, if it makes it simpler, give an example of a random image or place; I just want to know how and what you're thinking when you look at things.

    For now, I'm pretty sure you're a low F (either Fi or Fe), and that you're probably high N (either Ni or Ne), though that's subject to change depending on your following response to the assessment. Another thing is that you're likely an extrovert. Sometimes I get energized by interactions, but for the most part, it's overwhelming and I end up drifting away for a while or setting time aside to be by myself; I just need to do it. I'm open to the idea of you being an introvert provided there's a good argument, but so far it doesn't seem like you're one to me. I think your dominant function is either S or N, and my first guess is ENTP, but I feel as though I could use more evidence to give that conclusion.

    I get a general Fe vibe (low Fe) from the post because, even though you're talking solely about yourself, I note that there isn't much of a certainty or justification or solid backing for most of the items on the list. You give out some thought processes, but they're for things like arguing (but still no justifications for them), and I just get the impression you don't really know yourself or are struggling to do so under self-doubt in terms of various situations in which you've been or felt x or y that you see as contradictory. This isn't a low Fe trait in and of itself: the thing is, Fe-Ti won't see much of a purpose to the whys or hows of things like emotions and whatnot, at least the user's, and will focus on the matter at hand (or thought at hand) or the people in the surroundings. I imagine it's logical to think that it's more important to go over what other people may be thinking than what you're thinking because you know yourself, but the thing about Fi-Te is that, even when it's not warranted or absolutely necessary, it will go into thinking of why and how this emotion or thought happened, and try to go in-depth about the origin of it, at least so as to get some logical line out of the feelings and circumstances; though, the higher the Fi, the more focus on feelings (high Te will focus more on practical situations and general logic, but there's still the whys and hows of them even when not really asked for). Meanwhile, Ti goes in-depth about one thing until it's completely and thoroughly analyzed, that thing usually being the most necessary thing in the situation to analyze. Basically, Ti is more practical and meticulous, and Te is more broad and straightforward. It isn't that people with Ti can't go over the things Fi-Te usually does, though; it's more like the priorities are somewhere else (but can be on things like that if pertinent).

    Another thing is that you come off as though you have a high Ne or Ni, though I'd say it's probably dominant Ne. This is because the way you seem to think over various different possibilities, really to the point on not having a consensus on a sole course of action or to the point of extreme doubt on what you see to be (along with other statements). If my questions (your answers to them) give me more backing to it, I'll probably reach a solid conclusion on it, since a few of my questions were to determine if you had dominant Ne or not. Probably the thing that gets me doubtful is the fact that there isn't much detail to why or how you think this or that, and that there is a possibility you might have Ni-Se instead and my conclusions being completely wrong without clarification on which functions you seem to be using. Maybe you're actually Fi-Se or Fe-Se, who knows? I'm hoping to get a clear idea of the function stack soon.

    I get where you're coming from. The tests are very flawed (the times I get my type after them are very rare), and sometimes descriptions and definitions are scattered. Other times, said definitions have misconceptions that perpetuate doubt since traits enumerated don't truthfully resemble a lot of people... It's a mess of information to me. Something I just thought about: what types are you leaning towards right now? Do you simply have no clue? You said yourself that you've been researching personality types, so it seems odd that you wouldn't have any idea as to what you may be. Besides, knowing why or how you think you're not x or y type can give insight into your thought process and narrow down your type.

  3. #3
    ENTP

    Don't spend much time commenting on forums (only reading them) so I'm not sure if my reply sent :/

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  5. #4
    ENTP

    Ah. It didn't. Apparently I can't post links until I have 15 posts or greater. Here we go:

    Thanks for taking the time for a long response. Apologies for the vague/occasionally unhelpful points, I'm not used to talking about myself to strangers in a way that'll help them type me. Don't exactly do that every day.

    Anyway, what I mean by changing myself is that oftentimes I may consciously decide to appear a certain way - for example, hostile, introverted, and incredibly logical. (Or sometimes I'll appear very bubbly and random.) It's just to amuse myself, and sometimes to put off certain people so they leave me alone, or to interact with others in a certain way. And of course a lot of my personality depends on my mood. I suppose people might think this a bit strange, but you see this all the time. People putting themselves forward as characters - particularly on the internet you see people that exaggerate themselves. Or if you're typed, many will put forward a persona that matches their type. I speculate the reason why is perhaps a wanting to seem more interesting, or maybe this yearning to be understood, or a subconscious - or conscious - understanding of how people perceive you and how you perceive yourself, which shapes what you end up becoming. You know, like exaggerated boldness.

    Oops, got off topic.

    Anyway. Daydreaming. When I was younger (not that much younger, maybe 5 years?) I was obsessed with daydreaming about fictional worlds I read in books. Nowadays I only occasionally do that. I mostly picture something I'm writing as a movie in my head. Or something in real life that might happen if I do that, or if I do this, etc. And obviously I daydream about the future, as most do. My own and the world's. As for thoughts? I'm often thinking about something I researched or read that day and trying to understand it better, about class, about events that happened, people I know, what I'm gonna do, and writing ideas. I don't really know. It's hard to pin down what I think about in generalized terms without explaining a specific situation. For describing a random image, I chose two images I found on a questionnaire on this site. I'll post the name of the questionnaire here.

    Image 1: A dramatic picture showing a guy on a horse. The guy on the horse is a silhouette. It's dark there with some light source on the upper left. I say it's dramatic due to the contrast, the fact that there's smoke, the darkness of the picture and the way the lighting is set up. It's a rather staged photo (with the horse putting its head and leg up, and whatnot.) I like it, though - as I said, it's a dramatic photo.

    Image 2: First thing I noticed was the drawing, then the people. Took me a few seconds to realize the guys were drawing it. There's a lot of movement in the photo compared to the first one, which was still, clear, and with a simple color scheme. This one instead has the two people moving a lot in the front, Spider-Man appearing to 'pop' out of the page, extending the arm forward towards the viewer. There's a lot of contrast in this one too. There's the grey-ish surrounding and the very bright red and blue drawing, which immediately draws your eye to it. Whereas the other image has a less in your face look, with much less going on.

    I'm pretty sure I'm an extrovert, but some things that point to me being an introvert:
    - I reflect a lot and need to step back to process things.
    - After a few hours with people I step away and do my own thing for a while before going back in the mix.
    - I have only a couple friends.

    As for types I'm leaning towards, I've felt an affinity towards all NT types. Mainly ENTP, sometimes INTP, a lot of times I feel a lot like I'm INTJ, ENTJ, or ENFP. It completely varies depending on my mood and how I perceived myself. Maybe the way I'm presenting myself is biased based on the personality type I think I am (an NT, possibly an NF. Not sure about S since I haven't examined those types all that carefully.)

    The thing is, before I would take a test, and say, get INTP, or maybe ENTP, or INTP, of ENFP, or INFP, or whatever. And I'd say: "Oh, this perfectly describes me! Definitely my type." And I would take the test again, and get a different result, and say the same thing. Because the descriptions for the types are so... Vague. "You have a deep understanding of the social world as well as a grasp on theories!" "You are great at seeing patterns and connecting the dots!" In the end, that means nothing to me. Theories. What is that supposed to me? Speculations? Hunches? Harry Potter fan theories? It's written in a way that shows this character that doesn't really exist in real life. Yes, I enjoy talking about theories - but not all the time. That isn't who I am. Which is why I'm a bit confused and my personality type feels like personality types.

    Thanks for replying. If you need to ask any more questions, please do so.

    Hope to find my type for sure soon.

  6. #5
    ENTP

    Wisteria's questionnaire, found by searching personality type questionnaire.

    Thanks again.

  7. #6

    Quote Originally Posted by FARAWAY View Post
    Ah. It didn't. Apparently I can't post links until I have 15 posts or greater. Here we go:

    Thanks for taking the time for a long response. Apologies for the vague/occasionally unhelpful points, I'm not used to talking about myself to strangers in a way that'll help them type me. Don't exactly do that every day.

    Anyway, what I mean by changing myself is that oftentimes I may consciously decide to appear a certain way - for example, hostile, introverted, and incredibly logical. (Or sometimes I'll appear very bubbly and random.) It's just to amuse myself, and sometimes to put off certain people so they leave me alone, or to interact with others in a certain way. And of course a lot of my personality depends on my mood. I suppose people might think this a bit strange, but you see this all the time. People putting themselves forward as characters - particularly on the internet you see people that exaggerate themselves. Or if you're typed, many will put forward a persona that matches their type. I speculate the reason why is perhaps a wanting to seem more interesting, or maybe this yearning to be understood, or a subconscious - or conscious - understanding of how people perceive you and how you perceive yourself, which shapes what you end up becoming. You know, like exaggerated boldness.

    Oops, got off topic.

    Anyway. Daydreaming. When I was younger (not that much younger, maybe 5 years?) I was obsessed with daydreaming about fictional worlds I read in books. Nowadays I only occasionally do that. I mostly picture something I'm writing as a movie in my head. Or something in real life that might happen if I do that, or if I do this, etc. And obviously I daydream about the future, as most do. My own and the world's. As for thoughts? I'm often thinking about something I researched or read that day and trying to understand it better, about class, about events that happened, people I know, what I'm gonna do, and writing ideas. I don't really know. It's hard to pin down what I think about in generalized terms without explaining a specific situation. For describing a random image, I chose two images I found on a questionnaire on this site. I'll post the name of the questionnaire here.

    Image 1: A dramatic picture showing a guy on a horse. The guy on the horse is a silhouette. It's dark there with some light source on the upper left. I say it's dramatic due to the contrast, the fact that there's smoke, the darkness of the picture and the way the lighting is set up. It's a rather staged photo (with the horse putting its head and leg up, and whatnot.) I like it, though - as I said, it's a dramatic photo.

    Image 2: First thing I noticed was the drawing, then the people. Took me a few seconds to realize the guys were drawing it. There's a lot of movement in the photo compared to the first one, which was still, clear, and with a simple color scheme. This one instead has the two people moving a lot in the front, Spider-Man appearing to 'pop' out of the page, extending the arm forward towards the viewer. There's a lot of contrast in this one too. There's the grey-ish surrounding and the very bright red and blue drawing, which immediately draws your eye to it. Whereas the other image has a less in your face look, with much less going on.

    I'm pretty sure I'm an extrovert, but some things that point to me being an introvert:
    - I reflect a lot and need to step back to process things.
    - After a few hours with people I step away and do my own thing for a while before going back in the mix.
    - I have only a couple friends.

    As for types I'm leaning towards, I've felt an affinity towards all NT types. Mainly ENTP, sometimes INTP, a lot of times I feel a lot like I'm INTJ, ENTJ, or ENFP. It completely varies depending on my mood and how I perceived myself. Maybe the way I'm presenting myself is biased based on the personality type I think I am (an NT, possibly an NF. Not sure about S since I haven't examined those types all that carefully.)

    The thing is, before I would take a test, and say, get INTP, or maybe ENTP, or INTP, of ENFP, or INFP, or whatever. And I'd say: "Oh, this perfectly describes me! Definitely my type." And I would take the test again, and get a different result, and say the same thing. Because the descriptions for the types are so... Vague. "You have a deep understanding of the social world as well as a grasp on theories!" "You are great at seeing patterns and connecting the dots!" In the end, that means nothing to me. Theories. What is that supposed to me? Speculations? Hunches? Harry Potter fan theories? It's written in a way that shows this character that doesn't really exist in real life. Yes, I enjoy talking about theories - but not all the time. That isn't who I am. Which is why I'm a bit confused and my personality type feels like personality types.

    Thanks for replying. If you need to ask any more questions, please do so.

    Hope to find my type for sure soon.
    Hahaha, now I'm imagining people talking to each other in real life like they're answering the questionnaires; what a world lol. It's okay; you still did give a bunch I could go off of or else I couldn't have done any kind of analysis. Though, the stuff I could go off of was pretty difficult to explain for me, which I why I went for asking questions and getting more basis for my assessment.

    I guess I understand what you mean now with the whole changing behaviours thing. Your thought process is difficult for me to grasp, though. Basically, you suppose you do this because 1) you want to stand out for your own sake 2) you want to see if people can have any grasp on you regardless of it (or is it that you yearn to be understood on the inside despite putting up the front? Funnily enough, I once had a person tell me I had a cold front while actually yearning to be seen for the energetic person I am when I'm wih my family; somehow my friend couldn't process me being more comfortable around my family than with other people *shrug*) 3) you have enough people observing skills to discern how you'd want to be perceived in which situation, so you do so. Something along these lines? Man, the idea of projecting a persona based on my personality type just seems like it's missing the point of personality types to begin with :/ Anyway, this isn't an inherently Fe quality, but I still don't quite see the Fi-Te in your writing. While I said I didn't understand your thought process, the first part was pretty understandable. You basically change the way you act to get something out of people or to have them go away. It seems pretty practical, though you also use it for your amusement. Would this be because you enjoy seeing people's reactions or find some fascination in different facets shown through the different ways you behave? Or something else similar?

    Me and 'off-topic' get along so well that faulting you for rambling or going off-track would be extremely hypocritical :P And I suppose my question when it came to how you think was way too broad. I'm sorry! If I'm to narrow it down, then, uh, take, for example, this part of the paragraph: "I mostly picture something I'm writing as a movie in my head. Or something in real life that might happen if I do that, or if I do this, etc. And obviously I daydream about the future, as most do. My own and the world's." I'd like to know the way in which you think of these things, such as hypothetical scenarios or concepts. How you process them, how often you do so, what kind of ideas or what-ifs you come up with, things like that. It's basically me trying to discern your N function. Though, I'm still betting on Ne, mostly because the way you seemed to interpret the images is pretty Si in terms of what it's focusing on.

    This shows in the ways you process the surroundings. It's very practical and to the point; it focuses on an overall description of the thing as a whole by verified, specifically relevant parts. You went into the parts that stood out and the ones you found necessary to make up something reasonable as a description. The description of the second image is especially telling of Si: parts of the image are properly noted one at the time (more like noted; I'm not saying writing-wise because things are always written sequentially but in terms of really discerning the parts) as they're processed before going into the full thing and its aspects. There isn't as much of a focus on the physicality of the surroundings or any sensory details beyond stand-out aspects that would make the image stand out, or how they are as a images. You'll find that the Se thought process differs in terms of observations: while Si is practical and meticulous (kind of like Ti; introverted functions tend to share in that vibe), Se broader and more prone to focusing on details like sensations and physical details like texture, making it overall take in the physicality of the surroundings more, even that which isn't absolutely necessary for other people to know to get an idea (kind of like Te; extroverted functions have that sort of commonality, too). Se can observe all these different things in a quicker fashion and paint a picture that tends to have other kinds of highlights. So, you know. You probably have Si instead of Se, and since you can't have Si without Ne, it makes sense to conclude that you're Ne-Si. Though, I still have interest in the response to the more narrowed-down question.

    Hmm, if even you are pretty sure you're an extrovert, I don't see much space for doubt since a lot of extroverts can be on the reserved side and have a couple of friends. I usually step away because it's overwhelming, and not really because I don't want to be around the people anymore; other times are just me wanting alone time in peace. Depends :/ I'd be more open to you being an introvert if an introverted function were the most prominent. Like, if you were INTP, there would be a very prominent Ti in what you write over the Ne, but while I see the Ti, I felt more of an extroverted function like Ne or Se (with Ti sort of supporting it), and tried to check which one it was so as to make sure I wouldn't be mistyping a Se-dominant person (a function about observing things doesn't tend to show greatly in writing, understandably enough, unless you specifically ask questions about observations). I considered Ni dominant, but there was no Te auxiliary or prominent Fe (that would also be auxiliary). Fi dominant, I'd kind of easily scratched out after reading, and Si dominant would be for the same reasons as Ni dominant. Just another reasoning for considering you an extrovert.

    I don't think you could emulate a function you don't have perfectly. You could try and have some success in tricking some people, but, I don't know, there's usually a way to tell apart the Fi from Fe and Ti from Te. This is one of the reasons I don't think you're skewing your own personality in your post. Another one is because there isn't logical benefit to doing so when you clearly want to figure yourself out. Then there's the fact that you just seem to have a lot of self-doubt in general. Not really in the decisions you make though, but in the sense that you may not have much of grasp on how precisely you are because of the way you so differently go about lots of situations. I considered you being a sort of Fe NF, but I eliminated the possibility because there wasn't that much Fe in there. After reading, I immediately thought 'tertiary Fe'. There's a way high Fe goes about itself that differs from low Fe, probably because of the fact that there will be more Ti to low Fe than in high Fe and it will affect their thought process. I'd basically told you on the other post why you didn't come off as Fi-Te, so by process of elimination, I'd say you're not one of these. Though, why do you consider the possibility of NF, specifically? Perhaps the answer could provide insight of something I could be missing.

    And omg, the way you talk about the descriptions, I get your struggle. I didn't run into that problem as much, but you're right: what do those sentences even mean, anyway? They do sound like vague statements. It's like stuff like "You are deeply in touch with your inner world" or whatever that I also don't get even though it's about describing my type. Lol it sounds like my brain has a special place full of rainbows or something and doesn't express much; how can you be out of touch with your own thoughts when you're thinking them?? I mostly am not a fan of the writing syle: it feels more like an idealized version of the personality type, so it has this sugary, mystical vibe I don't like because it doesn't give a very grounded perspective on the types. In my personal experience, most people aren't mostly or always talking about theory, and NTs I know tend to whip out the latest pertinent news or articles or facts they found, among other current stuff as topics (could just be completely random too); but people can basically talk about anything. When I read descriptions like the one for the INTJ, it's like they're forever reading books and strategically planning something and the contrast between this and real life INTJs is pretty awkward. Woah, it's like people are human and have depth or something...! :0 The descriptions don't seem to do any type justice.

    And I've related to parts of other types in some occasions, so I can definitely understand where you're coming from. Anyway, my current conclusion of your type is still ENTP, just because the function stack seems to allign for now and there isn't anything contradicting the notion. Though, if there's anything iffy with said conclusions, I'd naturally respond to all doubts to rectify the problem and see to it you get some closure. I mean, I still asked questions, but it's for confirmation's sake in the sense that maybe there could be something in the responses that would completely change everything or maybe you'd have your own doubts on my assessment, stuff like that. Hopefully a solid consensus can be reached this way!
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  8. #7
    ENTP

    "How are you doing today Billy?"
    "Well, I'm feeling pretty uncertain whether I'm an extrovert or an introvert, and by the way I daydream a lot - do you have any idea what my auxiliary function might be?" xD

    I feel the 'reason' I do this varies. There's not really one reason that applies all the time - sometimes I'm just feeling tired or I'm with somebody I don't like. Oftentimes I'm simply entertaining myself, or others. I do often appear a lot like an INTJ when I'm trying.

    Anyway, what I mean is that sometimes I consciously change myself, and a lot of times I unconsciously to do it as well - which is a pretty common behavior, especially when you get to meddling with personality types. If you take the test and get a personality type, regardless whether that's really your personality type or not, you begin to sort of emulate it, if that makes sense. You get this grasp of yourself and it often 'boxes' you into a certain behavior or attitude. Like I was reading this thing today - this person who was saying "I'm not sure what personality type I am, I'm pretty sure I'm an INFP" and as part of a questionnaire were told to describe the image of a woman running. She said something about how she immediately thought of love, of a person running towards their fiancée, about tons of possibilities going through her head - and I was wondering - and maybe this is really how she truly thinks, I wouldn't know, I'm not an INFP or whatnot (you are though, perhaps you could give some insight?) or know her in any way - but couldn't this just be a subconscious impulse to sound like an INFP? Like tuning out everything else running through your head and focusing on the INFP. Maybe not. But you know, INTJs that are told they're INTJs often act more like an INTJ - at least I did, anyway. Until I got bored and stopped. But maybe it's just me that feels that way. And it doesn't only happen with personality types, but with normal things too - like: "you're such a perfectionist" and this kind of thought creates this unchanging image of yourself as a perfectionist, and this kind of need to prove that image, you know what I mean? Reason why I'm always wary of MBTI. Now that an outside source with some actual knowledge says I'm an ENTP, will I begin to act more like how I'm supposed to act? Will I bend to fulfill that kind of classification? And especially when the ENTP I've read about and seen in movies is so exaggerated, you know? Will I begin to amplify my ENTP-ness? (Okay, that last part was more of a joke.)

    Damn, I got off topic. Anyway, yeah. Uhh, daydreaming. I dunno, I'll often imagine entire conversations in my head with people. Like I had a conversation with my sister today, and after I posted the first thread thing I had a conversation with a bunch of random nameless people. For every event that's happened in my life, I've had one that's in my head. More or less realistic. Sometimes it's just an alternate past reality where I /did/ win the contest - or had a conversation - or an alternate future one where I meet somebody I know online (I do have several online friends), or whatever. And then other times it's ha, I did get my letter to Hogwarts. You know what I mean? (Oh, and there's whole imaginary scenes in my hand from things I'm writing, as I said before.)

    The possibility of NF came before I knew much about the cognitive functions and was just based on the T vs F. I feel like I'm a pretty emotional person. I get angry really easily, for example - but that's not telling of F, right? Emotional does not necessarily mean F, as I know now, but as you said, I do have self doubt. And I want to consider all possibilities, even if there's little evidence.

    Exactly! xD I know an INTJ, and he /is/ bookish, socially awkward, pretty evidence based and very head over heart, but he's not this constantly theorizing I-have-no-emotions guy. He jokes around a lot. Very nice. He's not a stereotypical INTJ, but he's very recognizable as one.

    Anyway, on the topic of idealizing types - I've been reviewing the ENTP profile on 16personalities.com (actually I started re-reading it /just/ now but shh, you didn't hear anything) and this is actually super depressing xD

    "Theultimate devil’s advocate thriving on the process of shredding arguments and beliefs"? "Gives them a chance to exercise their effortlessly quick wit, broad accumulated knowledge base, and capacity for connecting disparate ideas to prove their points"? "They'll be miserable managing the day-to-day mechanics of actually implementing their suggestions"? "Debater personalities love to brainstorm and think big, but they will avoid getting caught doing the “grunt work” at all costs"?

    Geez xD

    Yeah, I like learning. I'm sort of original. One of my favorite things to do when searching for book ideas is to take something we take for granted - needing to do something to get energy, time, all these other things that seem so natural - and then twisting it. I do like debating. I'm... Charismatic? (Okay, maybe not.) And I am argumentative, and I do love brainstorming, and I can't seem to finish things, but this is hilarious xD

    Apparently I am super edgy, am confident, am very charming, absolutely /despise/ day to day activities and routine, and argue every day of my life.

    Don't take this as me going against your analysis. It seems very sound and thorough, so I'm pretty sure I'm an ENTP now, but I'm not so sure I know exactly how exaggerated the ENTP is. If I take away the super idealized and puffed up descriptions, I get this: I'm creative, I like to argue, I have lots of ideas which I often don't implement, I'm charismatic and energetic.

    Oh - I do kind of hate that. Like I'm supposed to be bursting with ideas and energy and running in a room screaming and laughing.

    Can you give me some more insight on what an ENTP is really like, points in my personality that match the ENTP?
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    "How are you doing today Billy?"
    "Well, I'm feeling pretty uncertain whether I'm an extrovert or an introvert, and by the way I daydream a lot - do you have any idea what my auxiliary function might be?" xD

    I feel the 'reason' I do this varies. There's not really one reason that applies all the time - sometimes I'm just feeling tired or I'm with somebody I don't like. Oftentimes I'm simply entertaining myself, or others. I do often appear a lot like an INTJ when I'm trying.

    Anyway, what I mean is that sometimes I consciously change myself, and a lot of times I unconsciously to do it as well - which is a pretty common behavior, especially when you get to meddling with personality types. If you take the test and get a personality type, regardless whether that's really your personality type or not, you begin to sort of emulate it, if that makes sense. You get this grasp of yourself and it often 'boxes' you into a certain behavior or attitude. Like I was reading this thing today - this person who was saying "I'm not sure what personality type I am, I'm pretty sure I'm an INFP" and as part of a questionnaire were told to describe the image of a woman running. She said something about how she immediately thought of love, of a person running towards their fiancée, about tons of possibilities going through her head - and I was wondering - and maybe this is really how she truly thinks, I wouldn't know, I'm not an INFP or whatnot (you are though, perhaps you could give some insight?) or know her in any way - but couldn't this just be a subconscious impulse to sound like an INFP? Like tuning out everything else running through your head and focusing on the INFP. Maybe not. But you know, INTJs that are told they're INTJs often act more like an INTJ - at least I did, anyway. Until I got bored and stopped. But maybe it's just me that feels that way. And it doesn't only happen with personality types, but with normal things too - like: "you're such a perfectionist" and this kind of thought creates this unchanging image of yourself as a perfectionist, and this kind of need to prove that image, you know what I mean? Reason why I'm always wary of MBTI. Now that an outside source with some actual knowledge says I'm an ENTP, will I begin to act more like how I'm supposed to act? Will I bend to fulfill that kind of classification? And especially when the ENTP I've read about and seen in movies is so exaggerated, you know? Will I begin to amplify my ENTP-ness? (Okay, that last part was more of a joke.)

    Damn, I got off topic. Anyway, yeah. Uhh, daydreaming. I dunno, I'll often imagine entire conversations in my head with people. Like I had a conversation with my sister today, and after I posted the first thread thing I had a conversation with a bunch of random nameless people. For every event that's happened in my life, I've had one that's in my head. More or less realistic. Sometimes it's just an alternate past reality where I /did/ win the contest - or had a conversation - or an alternate future one where I meet somebody I know online (I do have several online friends), or whatever. And then other times it's ha, I did get my letter to Hogwarts. You know what I mean? (Oh, and there's whole imaginary scenes in my hand from things I'm writing, as I said before.)

    The possibility of NF came before I knew much about the cognitive functions and was just based on the T vs F. I feel like I'm a pretty emotional person. I get angry really easily, for example - but that's not telling of F, right? Emotional does not necessarily mean F, as I know now, but as you said, I do have self doubt. And I want to consider all possibilities, even if there's little evidence.

    Exactly! xD I know an INTJ, and he /is/ bookish, socially awkward, pretty evidence based and very head over heart, but he's not this constantly theorizing I-have-no-emotions guy. He jokes around a lot. Very nice. He's not a stereotypical INTJ, but he's very recognizable as one.

    Anyway, on the topic of idealizing types - I've been reviewing the ENTP profile on 16personalities.com (actually I started re-reading it /just/ now but shh, you didn't hear anything) and this is actually super depressing xD

    "Theultimate devil’s advocate thriving on the process of shredding arguments and beliefs"? "Gives them a chance to exercise their effortlessly quick wit, broad accumulated knowledge base, and capacity for connecting disparate ideas to prove their points"? "They'll be miserable managing the day-to-day mechanics of actually implementing their suggestions"? "Debater personalities love to brainstorm and think big, but they will avoid getting caught doing the “grunt work” at all costs"?

    Geez xD

    Yeah, I like learning. I'm sort of original. One of my favorite things to do when searching for book ideas is to take something we take for granted - needing to do something to get energy, time, all these other things that seem so natural - and then twisting it. I do like debating. I'm... Charismatic? (Okay, maybe not.) And I am argumentative, and I do love brainstorming, and I can't seem to finish things, but this is hilarious xD

    Apparently I am super edgy, am confident, am very charming, absolutely /despise/ day to day activities and routine, and argue every day of my life.

    Don't take this as me going against your analysis. It seems very sound and thorough, so I'm pretty sure I'm an ENTP now, but I'm not so sure I know exactly how exaggerated the ENTP is. If I take away the super idealized and puffed up descriptions, I get this: I'm creative, I like to argue, I have lots of ideas which I often don't implement, I'm charismatic and energetic.

    Oh - I do kind of hate that. Like I'm supposed to be bursting with ideas and energy and running in a room screaming and laughing.

    Can you give me some more insight on what an ENTP is really like, points in my personality that match the ENTP?
    "Well, Billy, if you look through your past actions, you'll find Fe in almost all of them. You're polite to people, you help them out, and self-sacrifice is a thing. Wouldn't it be completely logical to assume you're actually an INFJ, like everyone else I've analyzed before you?"

    "... No? By the way, did you cut your hair?"

    You're engaging my Ne, now it can't stop XD Anyway, you're probably right. If it's something you do a lot in different situations, it would make sense that why you do it would differ depending on other factors. I'd be pretty surprised if you were able to mimic the dominant Ni vibe of INTJs in a convincing manner in real life, that would take some skills :0

    I can actually see people doing what you're saying, like, they internalize they're a certain type and take to focusing on characteristics they perceive as being it. It does still seem counter-productive to me, though. Besides, cases I've more or less witnessed of this usually failed to emulate the personality type being internalized. To begin with, mistyping requires some form of a misunderstanding on how the type works, so the person will not be able to emulate a type they don't comprehend from the get-go. So, for example, even if you emulate INFP characteristics thinking you're INFP when you're not, you won't end up successfully mimicking the dominant Fi thought process since you don't really know it to begin with. Though, that kind of stuff ends up lacking in depth; to my knowledge, it's superficial things like interests that are supposed to be from x type or amplifying traits. As for me, I don't act more INFP than I am, really. Knowing I'm INFP, I do me anyway. I don't feel much meaning to boxing myself within a stereotype when I could just be the person I am and like to be. I don't fit much into the sweet rainbows and mystical daydreaming box, either, and don't feel like doing so: as long as I know I have the thought process down pat, I don't need to prove myself when I know myself. Just my two cents on it (also helps that the other INFP I did meet shared in the thought process, so I have more than myself as reference). And I don't know, if I were to describe an image in general, the physical description would be lacking and I'd instead wondering what's happening in it, so part of your example is right; I would indeed wonder what's happening in the image. If I were required to only describe the observations, though, it'd be really straightforward, a bit like how you described the images when I asked you to: I'd say what's in the thing, note stand-out features and the general feel. I don't tend to feel very strongly for images or even art. I mean, I aesthetically appreciate it, but beyond that I'm just about neutral.

    I can still get where you're coming from. When people say you're a certain way, it's like you start prodding for whether you truly are or not. But I personally don't share in manifesting it outwardly. I just mull over it in my mind, going over different scenarios and consulting other people for opinions before I reach the conclusion of whether I'm like that or not, but I usually know the answer to that myself beforehand. If anything, I sometimes don't really have to talk to anyone about it, and just do it because I'm curious about their opinions anyway. I'd say this might be a thing you have more than other people, though I'm sure there are many people who would relate, and I can understand what you mean. Or maybe my own attitude is the stranger one, I don't know, I just don't get very influenced by other people at that level :/ I've heard of people who type as T and internalize being insensitive because they have an excuse, for example. What you say is definitely not that unusual. Guess I am the strange one 0.0 Omg if you started acting like all these characters typed as ENTP you'd be committing so many atrocities. I don't really understand why these comical or insane bad guys get the ENTP label, though. I just see them as charismatic crazy guys...? Nothing proves to me that they are totally ENTPs. I just imagine an ENTP person with regular empathy watching and not relating at all because they aren't normal people to begin with. Besides, the depth of the character also factors into whether they even have a coherent thought process or not, and it's hard to pin that down in general. I feel like I'm really going off-track and now I'm feeling really bad; I'm sorry!

    From basically every part of these paragraphs plus this answer, I really can't see you having anything other than Ne. It's really just the way you think up the scenarios and the kind of scenarios you think up that solidifies it. Like, Ne is generally broader and more prone to going over all these different things, even when you don't really need it to; all in extroverted function fashion. Ni goes over possibilities and concepts, too, but it will always carry itself differently. I can totally relate to the way you daydream. For every scenario that goes in a certain way, I have the opposing scenario on my head just really because I find it amusing to imagine what would happen then. I have both the worst case scenario and the best one ready when I'm going over how things will happen. In the midst of that, I also go like "What if it's actually this totally simple thing like real life usually does?" and that's really what occupies my mind when I'm not discerning myself or my emotions or going over philosophical concepts, among other things. Now that I'm trying to go over everything I tend to think about, I also have a lot. I'm also starting to understand how you felt when I asked you that question. Anyway, my basis for Ne wasn't only this response, but I just see it so prominently, I think it's pretty safe to assume you have Ne-Si.

    Conversely, there are a lot of NFs who can mistype because they think they're too logical for F so yeah, emotionality doesn't play that much of a part. A lot of tests basically ask whether you'd prioritize feelings over logic, and I question who'd prioritize people feeling good over doing what makes sense and always answer the obvious T option. It's really why I tend to land INTP in tests (the first type I got was ISTP lol it's waaay far from my thought process). More than by emotionality or not having it, I just see the difference between F and T as the difference between low Fe/Fi and high Fe/Fi. All T have the T function higher on the stack, while F have the F function higher. Stuff like that. The kind of emotionality high F and low F have tends to differ because of it, but it doesn't quite mean they lack in emotionality per se.

    Ha, my INTJ friend is even farther from stereotypes, she's a sporty INTJ! She likes talking about things that are intellectually stimulating, but she can also go on about sports, or movies, or sciences that either she looked up once or that other people know or looked up. Sometimes she'd show me the things she'd find while looking through her phone that were amusing to her. Doesn't actually talk a lot though, she kind of chips in with her thoughts basically when she feels like it. She's also very recognizable as an INTJ, so she tends to be one of my leading examples of someone who doesn't fit into the stereotypical interests of the type. Also, there's this thing where INFPs are supposed to be into poetry, but I'm really not...? I'm not a fan because most of it's on the ambiguous side; I prefer straightforward things (poetry that's more or less straightforward, I can dig). But yeah, the picture descriptions paint doesn't tend to match a lot of people because it's not that black and white.

    Oh man, ENTP descriptions are like a meme, I totally get you XD "Do you like trolling? Are you super argumentative but disorganized, while liking logic? If yes, congratulations, you're totally ENTP!" I remember reading the ENTP description and being able to equate my ISTJ brother with it because he often debates people (online) and his opponents always get rekt and he's lazy, too, hahaha (he's totally far from being ENTP, though); not to mention his penchant for dank memes. A thing about ENTPs really is that they're rare as sin (just, even in real life, you'll have a tough time finding an ENTP), and the usual dominant Ne you'll see is the ENFP and ENFPs come in various forms, like any person. I've seen a bunch of people typing others as ENTP, but you're pretty much the first person of all the threads in this part of the forum I've typed as ENTP. What I'm basically saying is that I actually have great caution when considering ENTP. Like, "Does this person absolutely not have any Fi whatsoever in their thought process for real are you sure have you double-double-checked it?" Though, this is kind of an exaggeration, but yeah. Still don't really see Fi in you.

    Real life ENTPs aren't that horribly edgy and overflowing with energy, really. People come in a lot of forms. Because ENTPs are really rare, though, I've only met about two in real life, so I suppose I'll use one of them (the one I got to know the best) as an example to respond to your question. He was my Geography teacher, and I had and still have great respect for the guy. I often couldn't relate to the way he explained concepts, and he'd usually go off-topic over some current news or some fact he'd found and he'd urge us to discuss about it and give our opinions. Other times, he'd go out of his way to dedicate classes to going over this particular piece of pertinent news or some important topic, and you could tell it was because he cared much more about making sure we'd become fine people than dumping information on the class. The way he really cared about the class as people and would often try to get us to think and learn, even if that wasn't really Geography, made him really popular with students anyway and basically everybody would go talk to him even off-class when he was around (though, he'd also go talk to other people when he felt like it, other times he'd just greet them and go away; depends). He wasn't very energetic: he'd make a bunch of jokes, be sarcastic and other times plain straightforward and factual, and overall have charisma, but his level of energy was pretty average; sometimes he was more stressed, other times not. He'd sometimes (not very often; about three times, I remember this happening) emulate a position he hated so as to make us argue against it, and sometimes people would get tricked into thinking he really thought that when he was clearly pretending lol He was pretty down-to-earth, but he didn't overflow with integrity; he was just a normal good person in general. He was on the insensitive side, and he'd burst with anger when he did get angry, but most of the time he would take the class in stride and only get livid when things were pushed way too far or if they showed far too lacking critical thinking. He was pretty good at constructive criticism, but my class was comprised of sensitive people so they'd think he couldn't handle other people's opinions and was too harsh when I actually found that he was open-minded and his intentions were always in the right place. He was never too harsh; just blunt. More than constantly arguing, he'd often go on tangents about a topic and then urge us to pitch in with our opinions. Overall, a really cool guy in general; I'd never quite met someone like him before. If I had to summarize his trait, I'd say he was charismatic, sociable (but in comparison to myself, everyone is pretty sociable lol), blunt, straightforward, somewhat scattered (would usually go off-topic), argumentative in the sense that he'd constantly encourage debate, insensitive, but well-intentioned and intelligent. Mad respect for the guy.

    When I read the list of things about yourself, my first impression was that you were horribly confused on who you were, but I could see the picture more or less alright. So I was like "high N?". Another thing was how it seemed as though your emotions worked: like your responses to people getting mad at you or how you expose what you'd think about other people, it had me thinking of bursts of anger that I could also associate with tertiary Fe, and the fact that I wasn't seeing much Fi also helped. I've seen people with Fi making lists of traits in a similar way, but the writing is different, in the sense that the way in which the logic is exposed differs, and the content goes in different ways; it's hard to explain, but in-context to this, I thought of low F, along with the way you'd argue and think of people. Another thing that contributed was that you weren't very emotionally intense. Not that high F can't be, but that coupled with other things made it more likely that you were low F and other points painted you as an extrovert. So, ENTX and because the N seemed too high for ENTJ, as ENTJs have a very prominent Te, ENTP. However, maybe it was all actually a manifestation of Se, oh noes! Since the information was lacking and the biggest vibe was that you were low F and possibly tertiary Fe, I thought of ESTP or other NTs or STs and thought that I should completely make sure this is Ne and I'm not mistyping an ESFP or ESTP or something. Things that stuck out a lot as you being ENTP, but in a more intuitive fashion (I usually just look for the functions over the characteristics), were things like: "I feel bad when I'm too mean, but also at the same time... Don't really give a damn." (really reminded me of the ENTP I talked about, but he was also a great guy with integrity I respected, so I didn't pick this out because it felt like you as a T were a bad person or anything; seemed like something the general NT/ST would say but also something he would have said in pretty much that exact way) or "I have tons of ideas but I rarely follow them through." (general Ne characteristic in-context to the rest of the Ne displayed) or "My first reaction when somebody gets mad at me is to yell back, say something sarcastic, or mock them." or "I tend to be very blunt." and also "I joke around a lot. Er. Morbid jokes, I suppose, a practical joke or two, or lying before eventually saying: "I was lying the whole time. Ha!"" Everything, basically? ^^' You can take them differently in different contexts, but in an ENTP context, it honestly fit really well. You came across as sociable and probably charismatic, blunt, on the insensitive side, but mainly logical and you seemed like you were in pretty huge self-doubt. That was about my impression of you that made me conclude you were likely an ENTP, but couldn't be sure without asking questions. Liking debate was another one, but anyone can like debate, so it had to be supported with the other things. Your following posts responding to mine are more telling of your personality.

    Like, you go more in-depth into how you think, and confirmed you had a Ne and that you didn't have a Fi or Te. Just, the way you'd go about the possibilities, even more than I probably do, and since you were writing in paragraphs, it was easier to see the way you think in terms of the logic you lay out while writing. The ENTP description is pretty exaggerated, but so is everyone else's. Like, the ISTJ is said to be traditionalistic and by-the-books and inflexible, but it'll be rarer for you to find an ISTJ that's actually like that. Pretty much every ISTJ I met would break the rules when necessary and you could totally reason with them when presenting something new when they're not in the middle of doing something already. They were pretty normal people and most of them not stone cold at all, just on the insensitive side. Overall, the most trustworthy thing is the way you think. I hope I actually gave some insight, since I'm fearing what I wrote might be more easily seen as me on a tangent than anything X.X
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  10. #9
    ENTP

    Ha xD

    And I don't think I can properly replicate such a strong Ni just yet, but luckily the people around me are easily fooled. ',:} They don't know so much about MBTI - or about me - that they'll be able to see that I'm not usually like that and simply messing a bit with them (or in a bad mood.)

    Yeah, I agree with that. Oftentimes when you mistype and begin to view yourself as that personality type, you /do/ only focus in the stereotypical or superficial aspects of the personality (since you don't really understand it well.) And you seem like a pretty sure of yourself person, like, content with yourself without having to exaggerate or bend yourself to fit into something, and knowing enough of yourself that you don't feel the need to 'prove' your own identity. That's really cool. Sort of wish I was more like that - like every thing I do now has to fit into the ENTP. Like maybe I should start talking more about possibilities? Be more energetic? Sociable? Perhaps it's also this fear of having to find something else again. But that's really the conscious part of it, you know, where you're trying to prove yourself to others I guess. Then there's the unconscious, where you're sort of just speaking in a certain manner because now you're so sure of yourself you don't think you can change out of that label. But that would mean that you have to not be sure of your type but be sure of yourself -

    That totally makes sense in my head. I swear it does xD

    As for the description, perhaps I just found it odd because I would never talk about the person running towards a fiancé. Maybe as a secondary thing. But the description felt oddly staged to me, for the use of the word love - as a stereotypical feeler thing? - and possibility, like a sort of "yes, I am an intuitive." Like she's really trying hard to be an INFP. People have been suggesting different personality types on that thread though, so if she changes behavior after changing personality type - instead of the other way around - then you know that there's some kind of thing going on there, like this wanting to /be/ something.

    Sorry, I'm really not making any sense right now. ,:D

    Anyway, I find it interesting how you would describe a picture. Perhaps I'd do that as well, but it's not really my first instinct. I dunno.

    (Oh, and also: it's kind of like when you become hyper aware of something, like how your thought process goes or what your personality type is, that you begin monitoring it so it's more visible.)

    v - If we were like 16personalities.com portrayed us - v
    ENTP: "Ugh like I don't want to vacuum - too lazy - let me instead debate how one should write a book - without actually writing a book of course - and also debate against and for some controversial stuff! I'M SO EXCITED FOR THIS DEBATE. I'M FREAKING PUMPED. Also I don't want to eat food anymore 2 routine 4 me and by the way -" *finger guns* *charming one liner*

    INTJ: "I'm going to stay in my room all day long and read and be anti social and be super blunt and cool - WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING, POTTER?"

    INFP: "Oh, the world is like a bed of flowers - everything is so great - let's /all/ get along. Hey, wanna read the poetry I just wrote about the beauty of the world? Or this painting I just painted depicting a lovely sunset?"

    ISTJ: "Now, nobody should break the rules or do anything without instruction. I am going to organize all this information in a responsible and patient way and be super chill."

    And don't worry. Every thing I write goes off track. I mean, read what I just wrote xD

    Ah, it feels great to be rare. (You're a pretty special breed too :0) And I'm glad you double double triple checked because I want to be sure. I'm glad you asked follow up questions and all that and didn't type me immediately without considering other options. It makes me feel pretty certain that I'm an ENTP :)

    That Geography teacher seems pretty damn cool. I love those teachers who actually, honestly care that you're learning something and turning out well then simply finishing the curriculum, you know? Also glad that ENTPs aren't total super edgy really energetic super confident people, because I would feel really out of place xD (I looked through the ENTP thread, though, and they all seem pretty cool and normal.)

    Thanks so much for telling me your entire thought process. It helps me understand why you think I'm an ENTP and why I am. It's nice. Gives a sort of certainty to it all, you know what I mean? Like you weren't just guessing the entire time and BSing your way through your explanations xD (didn't actually think that, but it helps.)

    And I know I've said this so many times but really, sincerely thank you for being my psychologist for the day. It /was/ very insightful and /was/ very helpful, and right now I'm very, very sure I am an ENTP - keeping my options open, but I think it's time to change from Unknown to ENTP :)
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  11. #10
    ENTP

    P.S: I feel like I'm writing so little xD Like you have these super thorough and in depth paragraphs and I'm just here with something that's 5 paragraphs long and 50% jokes xD

    Anyway, hope to see you around!
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