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    Another INFJ vs INTJ typing dilemma.

    Last time I was in this part of the forum, I was stuck between ISTJ and INTJ. The consensus in that thread was that I am INTJ. However, out in the wild, I'm commonly typed as INFJ by random Joe Schmos. The primary purpose, for me, of an accurate typing is to introduce myself to others. I like a quick, efficient introduction to new people and I want to offer the same. I want people to have the gist of who I am so they can quickly decide if I am worth their time. It's a bother to say I am INTJ and then have to spend time explaining why I don't appear to be one. I don't need to waste people's time like that. I do not have the INFJ propensity to hide my true nature. I don't go out of my way to be an enigma. I'd rather just get it all out and be done with it. So basically, if the majority of the world thinks I am INFJ, I may as well claim to be one. As far as they are concerned, I am, so why should it matter what's really going on in my head? (ETA - heh, and then I proceed to make a comment that implies I'm find remaining a mystery - whatever :p )
    ugh, just put me in a damn box already and be done with it. haha.

    INTJ contradictions:
    *a draw to airy fairy crap. I'm into witchcraft and the occult. I don't really care if any of it is real, but it amuses me to behave as if it is.
    *I (usually) have a soft approach with strangers. I try to be nice whether I like you or not. But as soon as I determine someone's ability to handle my preferred bluntness, I don't hold back. I often take it so far that people begin to question if I ever liked them at all.

    INFJ contradictions:
    *I am not interested in individuals. I don't see into anyone's soul, I don't try to draw people out of their shells or get to know them better unless I perceive them as one of my own kind, which is a very rare occurrence. I am, however, interested in humanity, how society functions, why people behave as they do, but only as an impersonal intellectual curiosity.

    *I hate drawn-out philosophical discussions. It's fun to theorize about stuff for it's own sake, but I also get bored of it pretty quickly.

    Further relevant details can be found on this blog post: https://shelleyintherain.wordpress.c...-intj-or-am-i/

    To get an idea for my mannerisms and speech habits, look for my youtube channel, TheAspiePagan
    I am 99% certain anyone who assesses me based on the videos will type me as INFJ.

    So, what say you? Should I give up the INTJ label?



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    Anyone?

    Feel free to ask for more info or clarification on anything already provided.

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    Hi Autumn Fairy, enneagram type 5, eh?

    The contradictions you list with INFJ hold more weight than the ones with INTJ. Sure, you learnt to be soft at first approach, plenty of INTJs do too. You're interested by phenomena that go beyond our current understanding of the world, and know not to take them too seriously, that's pretty common in Ni users.

    "I am not interested in individuals" that seem kind of a huge INFJ deal-breaker to me. Even the INFJs type 4 I know, who tend a bit more towards the asocial end of the INFJ spectrum are (despite what they'll say) keenly interested in people. And it shows, for example they'll notice exactly what people wish for and give them these perfectly thought-out gifts or compliments. Ever brought anyone to near tears with a compliment? Or just from your ability to listen in to what they say?

    The INFJs type 5 (think Michael Pierce) are still very much people people, despite it being in a slightly distanced intellectual way.

    So cheers! Just from what you shared, I see no reason to doubt your type.
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    INFP


    Hey wait up, what's this shit?

    The primary purpose, for me, of an accurate typing is to introduce myself to others. I like a quick, efficient introduction to new people and I want to offer the same. I want people to have the gist of who I am so they can quickly decide if I am worth their time. It's a bother to say I am INTJ and then have to spend time explaining why I don't appear to be one. I don't need to waste people's time like that.
    How does this work? You just meet people and be like "hey, I'm Autumn Fairy, INTJ"?
    Do you bring this stuff up with people for real? Like the first time you meet someone, you're dropping your MBTI type?

    Why do you think people knowing your MBTI type will have anything impact on them deciding if you're worth their time?
    Surely, you're more than a 4 letter code.

    Also, get a load of this, you say:

    I do not have the INFJ propensity to hide my true nature.
    Then, you say:

    *I (usually) have a soft approach with strangers. I try to be nice whether I like you or not. But as soon as I determine someone's ability to handle my preferred bluntness, I don't hold back. I often take it so far that people begin to question if I ever liked them at all.
    I would argue that you do indeed have a propensity to hide your true nature, at least initially, however I don't subscribe to the theory that that has anything to do with type or cognitive function.

    This interests me, as essentially, you seek to introduce yourself to others - drop your MBTI type in there somehow, yet, you're not actually being yourself in these moments.

    So, what's the point?

    I read some of your posts in your blog, and I'd take a guess at INFP fwiw - Fi galore, everything is about being an individual, how you fit in or don't fit in etc, it's just Fi overload, and the logic you use to back everything up is decidedly Te, as opposed to Ti... you rely heavily (exclusively?) on external sources to support whatever it is you say, rather than your own conclusions as determined by yourself entirely.

    The reason I suggest INFP and not ISFP is because the way you write is practically all in past tense and filled to the brim with Si detail - it could very well be Se detail however, and I wouldn't have a damn clue how Ne would appear in writing, so admittedly, I'm a little torn on ISFP or INFP.

    Nothing in your blog posts suggests Ne, Ni, Se or Si to any major degree, rather a whole lot of Fi-Te.

    I do notice this, though:

    If they say a detail I notice as false, I call them on it immediately. I do this to my husband all the time and he hates it. Heíll say something happened on a particular day of the week, for example, and Iíll volunteer empirical data to prove that it couldnít have happened then. He gets frustrated not knowing why I should even care, since the day it happened wasnít essential to the story being told.
    This is Si, which leaves me with no option other than INFP, really, as I believe your insistence on being an individual and all of that shit (stereotypically Fi), is a more dominant force in you, than Si.

    I wouldn't have a clue how you wound up considering INTJ or INFJ, but you mention in that blog posts comments that you tested as an INTJ on the official test in high school, so you evidently see yourself as some kind of Ni user and are ticking those boxes in tests, so to speak.
    I don't see it. But, I'm not you. Just going by what I have here.

    You also relate to Enneagram 4 which makes fits in beautifully with you being an INFP.
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    Well crap, that just complicated everything. Lol. What I mean by not wanting to be a mystery is that truly I donít *want* to be. I donít specifically desire to be an enigma. Iíd rather give people as much useful data up front as possible.

    Re: introducing myself. I am pretty quick to bring up mbti. Not maybe in the first few exchanges, but I try to get to it as quickly as is reasonable.

    But why not infp? I think I itís the P thing. I am addicted to routines, schedules, planning in advance, reservations for everything, I am not naturally spontaneous. I try to be. Itís a trait I value in others and wish I could get on board. But even my spontaneity is planned. I have to tell myself to do something spontaneous and brace myself for the unexpected in advance.

    Why INTJ originally? I never perceived myself as a feeler. I was not a nice kid. I was so in my head that I never noticed if I was rude or not and didnít understand even after someone pointed it out. I also was all about the math and science in my early years. I was sure Iíd be a scientist in some hard-sciences subject or another. I have a degree in physics after all. But then I developed awareness of other people somewhere along the way. I like the challenge of helping people. I like the accolades for being the best gift-giver at holidays. I donít go out of my way to know people but I remember everything they volunteer. I prefer to be thought of as nice and approachable. But any follow through on the emotional side is forced and uncomfortable.

    Iíve always been (mostly) confident about Fi and Te, but unsure about the Si/Se (Hense why I even considered ISTJ) and avoided INFP entirely because of the P thing.

    Iíd like to hear some others thoughts about the posibility. In truth, INFP is the type I love the most and wish I was.
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    INFP


    Quote Originally Posted by Autumn_Fairy View Post
    Well crap, that just complicated everything. Lol. What I mean by not wanting to be a mystery is that truly I don’t *want* to be. I don’t specifically desire to be an enigma. I’d rather give people as much useful data up front as possible.

    Re: introducing myself. I am pretty quick to bring up mbti. Not maybe in the first few exchanges, but I try to get to it as quickly as is reasonable.

    But why not infp? I think I it’s the P thing. I am addicted to routines, schedules, planning in advance, reservations for everything, I am not naturally spontaneous. I try to be. It’s a trait I value in others and wish I could get on board. But even my spontaneity is planned. I have to tell myself to do something spontaneous and brace myself for the unexpected in advance.

    Why INTJ originally? I never perceived myself as a feeler. I was not a nice kid. I was so in my head that I never noticed if I was rude or not and didn’t understand even after someone pointed it out. I also was all about the math and science in my early years. I was sure I’d be a scientist in some hard-sciences subject or another. I have a degree in physics after all. But then I developed awareness of other people somewhere along the way. I like the challenge of helping people. I like the accolades for being the best gift-giver at holidays. I don’t go out of my way to know people but I remember everything they volunteer. I prefer to be thought of as nice and approachable. But any follow through on the emotional side is forced and uncomfortable.

    I’ve always been (mostly) confident about Fi and Te, but unsure about the Si/Se (Hense why I even considered ISTJ) and avoided INFP entirely because of the P thing.

    I’d like to hear some others thoughts about the posibility. In truth, INFP is the type I love the most and wish I was.
    I'd also love to hear what other people think.

    ISTJ is definitely a possibility, your writing style certainly supports it, and in a lot of ways it makes more sense (given what I can see) than INFP.

    I only have one ISTJ friend, and he's very much an 'individual' as well - dies his hair to stand out, wears clothes that will stand out a little etc, he definitely prizes separating himself from other people - could be an Enneagram 4 thing rather than an MBTI thing, perhaps.

    Why are you so addicted to routines, schedules, planning things in advance etc?

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    Why routine? I have diagnosed Aspergers, which I realize could complicate accurate typing. The only thing Iím confident about anymore is Fi and my enneagram. *sigh*

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    I'm getting to think that I'm just an unhealthy INTJ in Ni-Fi loop.

    *Si is great and all, but I'm pretty sure it's no where near my dominant function. I already had a thread for the ISTJ question and the conclusion was that I am not one.

    *Intuitives are far more likely than Sensors to obsess over finding and confirming their type.

    *Although I love INFPs and can relate to several INFP fictional characters, I am not an Ne user. I considered it, but after reading up about it, I just can't fit myself to that mold. I also found this video to corroborate my conclusion:
    I watched some of my own videos to compare and I definitely have Ni eyes.

    *My Se comes out as limited-use, just slightly behind Si, on cognitive function tests. I can't be an ISFP.

    *Any preference I have for Si, albeit limited, is likely a product of my Aspergers.

    *My relationship with routine is separate from my relationship with change. I don't like anything that significantly disrupts my mundane daily routine, but I also get bored with the status quo. I am more likely than my INTP husband to try new items on a dinner menu and more likely to suggest going somewhere we have never been. I crave new experiences as long as I can fit them into the framework of my usual routine. I prefer efficiency over familiarity, but sometimes my handicaps keep me from the former. E.g. I will take the same route to a place every time because I have impaired spacial awareness and fear that I will get lost if I turn down an unfamiliar road.

    *I like to change the aesthetic of my immediate environment - rearrange furniture, change the decor, etc. I like moving into new places because the change of scenery is exciting - perhaps this is Se?

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    I believe that you are confused because its likely that you are neither one.

    Please read David Keirsey. Types talk in a specific way. You don't use language like the NT-temperament does - you talk in a very mystical and emotional way without any logic or structure to your points.

    Where is the data upon which I can use to type you?
    - "I like the occult"... is this rational data to you? My best friend is INFP (Fi-dominant) he absolutely loves the occult. I am Ni-dominant (like INFJs are) and I dont care about any of that...

    - "I usually have a soft approach with strangers"... again is this data to you? That's called "being civil" and has nothing to do with type.

    - "I dont see into anyones soul"... aww God, and you think that all INFJ:s do that, and this is somehow defining of being an INFJ? You are talking stereotypes, not cognitive functions. Please, read some books.

    The quotes above show me empirical evidence that you cannot be of the rational Keirsey NT-temperament [i.e. ENTJ,INTJ,ENTP or INTP]. You talk more in an emotional and mystical way reminiscent of the NF-temperament. I would guess ENFP or INFP, based on the completely insufficient amount of data you've given.
    Last edited by TB_Wisdom; 10-02-2017 at 01:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TB_Wisdom View Post
    I believe that you are confused because its likely that you are neither one.

    Please read David Keirsey. Types talk in a specific way. You don't use language like the NT-temperament does - you talk in a very mystical and emotional way without any logic or structure to your points.

    Where is the data upon which I can use to type you?
    - "I like the occult"... is this rational data to you? My best friend is INFP (Fi-dominant) he absolutely loves the occult. I am Ni-dominant (like INFJs are) and I dont care about any of that...

    - "I usually have a soft approach with strangers"... again is this data to you? That's called "being civil" and has nothing to do with type.

    - "I dont see into anyones soul"... aww God, and you think that all INFJ:s do that, and this is somehow defining of being an INFJ? You are talking stereotypes, not cognitive functions. Please, read some books.

    The quotes above show me empirical evidence that you cannot be of the rational Keirsey NT-temperament [i.e. ENTJ,INTJ,ENTP or INTP]. You talk more in an emotional and mystical way reminiscent of the NF-temperament. I would guess ENFP or INFP, based on the completely insufficient amount of data you've given.
    This post makes sense except the contradiction--to my mind/ear--between the OP's love of occult and witchcraft (one I do not share) and then your writing about her "mystical way" (could you be more specific?) which as it stands leaves plenty of room for the occult and in particular witchcraft, although the OP asserts liking it for amusement, gist.


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