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This is a discussion on INFJ or ISTP? (Functions mixed up) within the What's my personality type? forums, part of the Personality Cafe category; I know I've done this a couple of times before, so I'll cut to the crap. I've finally figured out ...

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    ISTP - The Mechanics


    INFJ or ISTP? (Functions mixed up)

    I know I've done this a couple of times before, so I'll cut to the crap. I've finally figured out my cognitive functions. Yaaaaay! Certainly took a while though...

    Those functions being... Se / Ni / Ti / Fe

    I definitely don't lead with Fe or Se, ruling out ENFJ/ESTP, but I'm sure they're still in the mixture somewhere. I think my Ni is my Dominant, but I have little Fe and my Ti seems Tertiary even though I know that's impossible. My Se is impossible to gauge really. Sometimes I have tons, other times I have almost none. I've heard about something called the Ni/Ti loop, and I'm curious about whether I have that, and it's messing up the true order of my functions.

    I know that, looking at SLOAN tests, I'm a definite RCUEN with a few RCUEI traits, which apparantly correlates with ISTP. And I'm starting to think that I'm not a 3w4 but a 4w3/4w5/5w4 or even a 7w6, so I can't really rely on that.

    So, anyone have any idea how to find out which function goes where?



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    ISTP - The Mechanics


    Oh, and I completed another Q&A thing, if it helps.


    1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

      Nothing much, I was depressed ages back, but like I said, ages back, and I'm pretty much unchanged. Female, still in high school, pretty neutral.

      2. Study these two images hereand here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?

      Duh, the first one. It's beautiful, the colours vibrant and it radiates a sort of solitary peace. Makes me imagine being in a Nordic country and just sitting back and looking up into the sky. The subject in the second one is eating a bagel, no, a breakfast muffin, no, a- Whatever, it doesn't matter. It doesn't conjure any sort of emotion/creativity in me at all.

      3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?

      Relaxed. Lazy. Easily bored/distracted. Determined. Competitive. Empathetic. Calm. Creative. Weird. Quiet. Laughs constantly. Never smiles. Witty. Really bad at writing cover letters.

      4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?

      I'd like to be productive, but then again, I don't like the intensity and fucked up emotion which comes with it. I'd like to be more extroverted, but I kinda like my current state of being half mute as well, seing as social interaction drains every last drop of energy in me. I mean, I like being around people, but I don't need to talk constantly. I'm more of a listener. Anyway, I could go on and on with this, but everything I want to be has a downside I've already found when trying to change myself. So I might as well stay me.

      5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?

      Not really. I don't really come across as a huge personality, so there's not much to easily read and subsequently mistake.

      6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Testand post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage

      Letting out whatever creative energy I have pent up inside is pretty important. I still haven't decided if I create more for myself or others yet, but when I finally do, I guess that'll be my driving motivation.

      7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

      I remember a few years ago I was over at my Nan's house late at night, just watching the TV, when suddenly, she started saying that she couldn't see, that she had literally turned blind. I was calm and just started asking her questions. I didn't approach her or try to comfort her in any way, I just remember dissecting possible causes whizzing through my head and in another stream of thought, thinking whether I should run to the phone and dial for an ambulance. After a few minutes, she regained her sight and I went to bed unworried.

      8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.


      Taken from another post:

      A few weeks ago, I started a project with my cousin. We challenged ourselves to create something in a week. But I quit after a few days, citing my mother's worsening health problems as the reason I was backing out. But that wasn't true. I backed out because I didn't feel prepared, due to my skill level being, quite frankly, pretty crap; and even though I spent 10 hours every day sitting at my computer for those 3 days, I found that I was unable to produce anything I felt happy with. Ever since, I've felt useless, unable to do anything productive; unable to improve my skill level at all, and ashamed at failing due to not even sticking it through to the end. Even worse, I was the one who suggested the project to him, accepting that he had more chance of giving up first, compared to myself, the "visionary" behind the idea. But it turned out to be the exact opposite, him being the extremely competent one.

      9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

      Taken from another post:
      It was after a severe ((This might be an overreaction, I dunno)) spout of depression which I had recently (at this time) recovered from. I was at a carnival, riding a fairground ride I had jumped onto without thinking, the first ride I had ever been brave enough to go on. I wasn't holding on, my arms spreadeagled. I was flying. And for the first time in my entire life, I felt truly alive.”

      10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?

      I'm generally a lot more talkative/enthused when talking to just one person (Or at an extent, 2 or 3) but anything larger than that I'm extremely quiet and relaxed.

      11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?

      All of the above I have no respect for... Just because you've been doing something for ten/a hundred/a thousand years, does not mean that's how you should be doing it now. It's always good to revise family traditions every few years at the least, to know that you're not going to get stuck in a rut which everyone will just accept because it's “tradition”. The reason why someone thought up/sticks to a tradition, is pretty important though, seeing as it can tell me a lot about them and their set in stone ways.

      12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?

      I don't like it. I sort of understand that it has to be there to prevent ultimate anarchy, but it could intrude quite a bit less. I'll outwardly respect it, but internally it'll be dismissed, until I find myself really needing/wanting to disobey said authority, at which point I'll weigh up the possible outcomes.

      13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?

      I like chaos. I'm pretty good dealing with a chaotic situation without my brain committing suicide. But I suppose I wouldn't respond to chaos the same way if at that time people came to me for a solution, seeing as I'm crap at handling pressure. Otherwise, I'd generally be pretty cool headed and surprise whoever else was with me in said chaotic situation with a pretty feasible fix. Order? I don't come across enough of it to be honest and most of the time it's rarely worth the effort. But due to naturally being inclined to mess something up, then fix it, then mess it up again etc, it never stays orderly for long.

      14. What is it that you fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?

      I'm scared of failure, not because I think I'll never achieve anything, but more of the thought that I know I can achieve things, but it'll require me to put quite a lot on the line and make promises I won't keep. I have a motto in life: “You can achieve whatever you want to achieve. You just have to decide whether it's worth cutting a part of your soul away in pursuit of that achievement.”

      15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?

      Thinking about it, when I take up something huge, I'm probably not doing it for myself. I either want to not let someone down, or just prove someone wrong... Damn, I probably am an enneagram 3.

      16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

      A) Rollercoasters (When I can overcome my fear of getting on them in the first place), some extreme sports, listening to music, writing, researching random things on the internet, creating art/producing music, playing bass, being around animals, being around friends.
      B) Talking to 99% of people (Chatting to the other 1% has the opposite effect, firing me up), stress, small children (They're amazing for an extremely short time, but it takes about 5 hours being in the sole company of a few until I need a couple of months time out before being drafted in again), knowing I can't deliver on a promise.

      17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know yourenneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.

      Refer to the first post.

      18. Finally, is there something else you find to be of importance you want to add about yourself you think might be of relevance when helping to type you?


    Nothing comes to mind.

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    ISTP - The Mechanics


    I hate to bump a thread of my own creation, but I haven't had a response and I don't wanna have to republish this again...

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    You sound pretty ISTP to me. You use a lot a Ti logic: "If this, then..." or "If not this, then..."

    Your answer to 7 seemed really STP:

    I remember a few years ago I was over at my Nan's house late at night, just watching the TV, when suddenly, she started saying that she couldn't see, that she had literally turned blind. I was calm and just started asking her questions. I didn't approach her or try to comfort her in any way, I just remember dissecting possible causes whizzing through my head and in another stream of thought, thinking whether I should run to the phone and dial for an ambulance. After a few minutes, she regained her sight and I went to bed unworried
    In the moment of crisis, Ti/Se becomes utterly calm. It pulls in facts/data in the present moment (Se -- and if the questions you were asking her were about her physical state, it would emphasize Se more), analyzes and rules out possibilities with Ti, and whatever data you couldn't take in with Se, Ni will start projecting possibilities based on your past Se data.

    This was a pretty interesting Ti/Fe example:
    A few weeks ago, I started a project with my cousin. We challenged ourselves to create something in a week. But I quit after a few days, citing my mother's worsening health problems as the reason I was backing out. But that wasn't true. I backed out because I didn't feel prepared, due to my skill level being, quite frankly, pretty crap; and even though I spent 10 hours every day sitting at my computer for those 3 days, I found that I was unable to produce anything I felt happy with. Ever since, I've felt useless, unable to do anything productive; unable to improve my skill level at all, and ashamed at failing due to not even sticking it through to the end. Even worse, I was the one who suggested the project to him, accepting that he had more chance of giving up first, compared to myself, the "visionary" behind the idea. But it turned out to be the exact opposite, him being the extremely competent one.
    The Ti is the bolded, which is your first thought (which it should be, as it's dominant to your secondary judging process, Fe). Ti is pretty obsessed with displaying competence in areas it feels skillful in. To backup your Ti, or to follow it up, you say something pretty inferior Fe, the underlined.

    This is pretty ridiculously aux Se, after a Ti/Fi + Ni loop:
    It was after a severe ((This might be an overreaction, I dunno)) spout of depression which I had recently (at this time) recovered from. I was at a carnival, riding a fairground ride I had jumped onto without thinking, the first ride I had ever been brave enough to go on. I wasn't holding on, my arms spreadeagled. I was flying. And for the first time in my entire life, I felt truly alive.
    A pretty Se/Ni statement... ISxPs tertiary Ni can make it appear critical of traditions or trends:
    All of the above I have no respect for... Just because you've been doing something for ten/a hundred/a thousand years, does not mean that's how you should be doing it now. It's always good to revise family traditions every few years at the least, to know that you're not going to get stuck in a rut which everyone will just accept because it's “tradition”. The reason why someone thought up/sticks to a tradition, is pretty important though, seeing as it can tell me a lot about them and their set in stone ways.
    STP:
    I don't like it [authority]. I sort of understand that it has to be there to prevent ultimate anarchy, but it could intrude quite a bit less. I'll outwardly respect it, but internally it'll be dismissed, until I find myself really needing/wanting to disobey said authority, at which point I'll weigh up the possible outcomes.
    Screams ISTP:
    Otherwise, I'd generally be pretty cool headed and surprise whoever else was with me in said chaotic situation with a pretty feasible fix. Order? I don't come across enough of it to be honest and most of the time it's rarely worth the effort. But due to naturally being inclined to mess something up, then fix it, then mess it up again etc, it never stays orderly for long.
    I'm pretty sure any ISTP you meet would agree with almost all of this:
    16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

    A) Rollercoasters (When I can overcome my fear of getting on them in the first place), some extreme sports, listening to music, writing, researching random things on the internet, creating art/producing music, playing bass, being around animals, being around friends.
    B) Talking to 99% of people (Chatting to the other 1% has the opposite effect, firing me up), stress, small children (They're amazing for an extremely short time, but it takes about 5 hours being in the sole company of a few until I need a couple of months time out before being drafted in again), knowing I can't deliver on a promise.
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