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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    [ExFP] Can you crack it?

    Hey! (sorry for the long post)

    When I first started learning about MBTI, I thought for a long time I was an ENFP or ENTP. However, after making a thread on this forum and learning some more, it seemed that my Se was stronger than Ne. Thus, I became convinced that I was an ESFP. (Thread: https://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-...ion-ti-fi.html)

    Having just gotten back to the forums after a long break, I'm wondering if I was wrong before. Is really my Se stronger than my Ne?

    I would like to figure this out once and for all. Here are some results from tests and answers to questionnaires:

    Results from the Jungian Personality Quiz:
    Your Cognitive Functions:
    Extroverted Intuition (Ne) ||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 12.61
    Extroverted Thinking (Te) |||||||||||||||| 7.16
    Introverted Thinking (Ti) ||||||||||||||| 6.92
    Extroverted Sensation (Se) |||||||||||| 5.17
    Extroverted Feeling (Fe) ||||||||||| 4.68
    Introverted Feeling (Fi) ||||||||| 3.94
    Introverted Intuition (Ni) ||||| 1.58
    Introverted Sensation (Si) ||| 0.77

    Your Extroverted Intuition (Ne) is very developed.
    Your Extroverted Sensation (Se) is moderate.
    Your Introverted Thinking (Ti) is moderate.
    Your Extroverted Thinking (Te) is moderate.
    Your Extroverted Feeling (Fe) is moderate.
    Your Introverted Feeling (Fi) is moderate.
    Your Introverted Intuition (Ni) is low.
    Your Introverted Sensation (Si) is low.

    Based on your cognitive functions, your type is most likely:
    Most Likely: ENTP
    or Second Possibility:
    ENTJ
    or Third Possibility:
    INTP


    Your cognitive functions are, in order of development:
    Ne - Te - Ti - Se - Fe - Fi - Ni - Si


    This would seem to support that Ne>Se, but I could also unconciously be skewing the results in that direction, in order to support my hypotosis.

    Results from the keys2cognition test:
    Level of Development (Preference, Skill and Frequency of Use)
    extraverted Sensing (Se) ********************************* (33.6)
    good use
    introverted Sensing (Si) *********************** (23.4)
    limited use
    extraverted Intuiting (Ne) ****************************** (30.5)
    good use
    introverted Intuiting (Ni) ********************** (22.5)
    limited use
    extraverted Thinking (Te) *************************************** (39.5)
    excellent use
    introverted Thinking (Ti) ***************** (17.5)
    limited use
    extraverted Feeling (Fe) ******************************** (32.4)
    good use
    introverted Feeling (Fi) **************************************** (40.6)
    excellent use
    Summary Analysis of Profile
    By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: ESFP
    Lead (Dominant) Process
    Extraverted Sensing (Se): Immersing in the present context. Responding naturally to everything tangible you detect through your senses. Checking with what your gut instincts say. Testing limits and take risks for big rewards.

    Support (Auxilliary) Process
    Introverted Feeling (Fi): Staying true to who you really are. Paying close attention to your personal identity, values and beliefs. Checking with your conscience. Choosing behavior congruent with what is important to you.
    If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ISFP, or ENFP

    If these results are different from what you know of yourself, you might consider why your developmental pattern does not align with your expectation. You might also consider exploring this result as a possible better fit.

    The Four Temperaments
    Corresponding best-fit temperaments based on your profile: Catalyst; secondly Improviser; then Stabilizer; and lastly, Theorist.
    To read more about the four temperaments click here.
    Dafuq. Quite different results even though both were taken at the same time. Are the tests themselves that different?

    What's my type questionnaire:

    1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?
    I'm very future and possibility oriented. Also, even though I get really imersed when I am doing stuff I enjoy (such as surfing on the internet or drawing), the rest of the time my thoughts usually are somewhere else, where I imagine things.

    2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?
    Happiness, fun, being with people, creating something, meaning, improving the world.

    3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.
    Typically when things are going my way. Not so much different from everyone else, I guess. Could be when things are going good with a girl I like. Or if things are going good at my study programme. Sometimes I also just feel good for no particular reason.

    4) What makes you feel inferior?
    If I am unsure if my life is going in the direction that I want. If people patronize me, take advantage of my kindness, but most of all if people betray me or are unloyal.

    5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)
    For big decisions I typically take out a piece of paper and write up the pros and cons. For smaller decisions I just reason inside my head about what is smart and how I feel about it.

    6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?
    I'm really outcome oriented when it comes to projects and I like to be the leader, because then I can control things the way I want them. If the rest of the group don't agree, but I feel that their decision will make the outcome worse, there will be a power struggle, but I will bend to pressure eventually. (Though I still probably will push a little things in my direction if I think that is the best way).

    7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?
    Generally have a lot of fun at school where we are drawing, making prototypes, brainstorming, thinking, discussing things in groups, teamworking.

    Tried bmx cycling in this skating park with a friend two days ago and he really pushed my comfort zone (did drops far higher and jumps far longer than I was comfortable doing), but it went well and was insanely fun.

    8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theorize, to memorize, etc)
    Depends on what you have to learn. For practical skills it is of course better to learn them hands on with some guidance. For theory I like to understand the general concepts and connections and learning through discussions. Not that interested in details when it comes to theory.

    9) How organized do you to think of yourself as?
    At home: Very disorganized.
    At school: My desk is a mess, but I always have a plan on what I should do to reach the desired outcome.
    In life: Every now and then I write a plan (could be a three year plan, month plan, week plan or a life plan) where I organize how I can achieve my goals.

    10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?
    Mostly just in what degree they make sense logically. Does the idea itself seem smart? Does it fit well with all the other factors? What evidence could strengthen or weaken the idea in comparison to the rest?

    11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?
    I'm probably somewhat egocentric in that regard, in the sense that it is very important for me to follow what I believe is right. But one of the things I value is that everyone else, also are doing okay. So I'd think about that as well.

    12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?
    In normal situations, I generally speak without thinking. But, if what I am saying has importance (such as during a presentation or a debate) I will think it through first.

    13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?
    Depends on the situation. I think that action does speak louder than words, because a lot of people (like me) don't neccesarily do all the things we say that we're going to do.

    14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?
    I would join my friends.

    15) How do you act when you're stressed out?
    I kind of lose control of my thoughts and get really worried about possible future negative events.

    16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?
    I don't like it when people aren't sincere. Could be anything small from a fake smile to lying.

    17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?
    What they think is important in life and what they want to do with it.

    18) What kind of things do pay the least attention to in your life
    Probably whether things are tidy and clean. (Though I've gotten better at this lately with effort.)

    19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?
    Friends typically describe me as social, friendly, outgoing and dutiful.

    20) You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing
    I'm very skilled at wasting my time doing nothing (aka. surfing the internet). So I would probably do that for a while. If I felt lonely I'd call up some friends. If I am currently working on a project, I often like to make it better.

    Second questionnarire:
    0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.
    There are likely a lot of factors affecting the way I answer, but I can't think of any major things right now that would have a major impact right now.
    Sex: Male, Age: 22, Current state of mind: Emptiness with a slight touch of boredom since this is taking some time


    1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.


    He is gazing into the distance and he is thinking about something. Being in nature always made thinking easier. Could be his work. Maybe he is unsure if he wants to continiue the relationship with his girlfriend.

    Her thoughts are also somewhere else. She looks down, into her feelings and feels insecure. Maybe because she isn't sure about whether her boyfriend is going to stay with her. She wants intimacy with him.

    She is more into him, than vica versa.


    2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?
    Huh? What's wrong? #goes out and looks around on the car to figure out the explanation#
    Explanation found: Can we fix this? Can we fix this in time to reach the band? If not, can we get there somehow while also taking care of the car?
    Explanation not found: Can we get to the band somehow while also taking care of the car?

    3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?
    Afterparties rock. I'd join. If the driver doesn't drink, then we can just drive home with him/her. If (s)he does, then we'll have to take public transport home or sleep over. No big deal.

    4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?
    First, I always try to clarify what people meant. Then I try to ask them questions to test how well thought their believes are. If I disagree I will then let them know, but wont press the matter any further.

    5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?
    I'd need some alone time to figure out how I could make sense of these new experiences with my view of the world.

    6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?
    1. Don't take advantage of people who are in a weak position - Wrong, because you are capitalizing on someone's ill fortune. Don't think this will ever change.
    2. Make an effort to make the world a better place - If everyone were doing this, the world would be a fantastic place. Don't think this will change either.
    3. Do your best, make a real effort and take a chance - Then you wont have to live with bad regrets afterwards. I can't always live up to this myself, but I strive to.
    4. Never compromise your integrity - I still feel bad for the few times I've done so in my life.
    5. Make things as fun as possible - Boredom can kill pretty much everything from ambition to love.


    7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?
    a) I've heard throughout my life "he is really friendly and gets along with everyone." So are other people, so it is not THAT distinguishable, but what the hell.
    b) I get a lot of good ideas, but don't always have the willpower or self-discipline to follow them through. This I would like to be better at.

    8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?
    I find that my hunches and gut feelings often are correct; so I trust them for the most part. I get hunches about people, things, events, most things really.

    9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?
    a) Ideas, progress, being involved
    b) Filling out sheets, lots of data, boring work, routines
    10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?
    I was a nerd in high school, so I try to repress the nerdy aspects of myself sometimes.
    Before, I would try to impress people by boasting. Now, I
    successfully repress this for the most part.
    I hide my true feelings sometimes, because I get really sad if they are hurt when open like that.

    Hope this is enough.
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Extravert Characteristics

    * Gregarious
    * Assertive
    * Talkative
    * Social/outgoing
    * Likes groups, parties, etc.
    * Energized by interaction
    * Expressive & enthusiastic
    * Volunteers personal information
    * Distractable

    * Has many friends
    * Easy to approach




    Introvert Characteristics

    * Energized by time alone* (not really energized, but I need time alone to think sometimes)
    * Private
    * Keeps to self
    * Quiet
    * Deliberate
    * Internally aware
    * Fewer friends
    * Prefer smaller groups
    * Independent
    * Not socially inclined
    * Enjoys solitude
    * Thinks before speaking



    Sensing Characteristics

    * Concrete
    * Realistic

    * Lives in the present
    * Aware of surroundings
    * Notices details
    * Practical
    * Goes by senses
    * Factual


    Intuitive Characteristics

    * Future-focused
    * Sees possibilities
    * Inventive
    * Imaginitive
    * Deep

    * Abstract
    * Idealistic
    * Complicated
    * Theoretical



    Thinking Characteristics

    * Logical
    * Objective

    * Decides with head
    * Wants truth
    * Rational
    * Impersonal
    * Critical
    * Thick-skinned
    * Firm with people
    * Driven by thought


    Feeling Characteristics

    * Decides with heart
    * Dislikes conflict
    * Passionate
    * Driven by emotion
    * Gentle
    * Easily hurt
    * Empathetic

    * Caring of others
    * Warm



    Judging Characteristics

    * Decisive
    * Controlled
    * Good at finishing
    * Organized
    * Structured
    * Scheduled
    * Quick at tasks
    * Responsible
    * Likes closure
    * Makes plans


    Perceiving Characteristics

    * Adaptable
    * Relaxed
    * Disorganized
    * Care-free

    * Spontaneous
    * Changes tracks midway
    * Keeps options open
    * Procrastinates
    * Dislikes routine
    * Flexible


    This seems to further advocate ENFP.
    Last edited by Marac; 12-21-2012 at 04:50 AM.

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    Unknown Personality

    I'm also trying to figure out what my type is after getting ENFP on the tests a bunch of times. I can't really help lol sorry, but I read some of this and it's pretty cool, it might help:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...arious-sources

    Also, I saw heaps of questionnaires, how did you decide on those 2?
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    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by phony View Post
    I'm also trying to figure out what my type is after getting ENFP on the tests a bunch of times. I can't really help lol sorry, but I read some of this and it's pretty cool, it might help:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...arious-sources

    Also, I saw heaps of questionnaires, how did you decide on those 2?
    I opened the questionnaries that were stickied, since they're probably the best. One of them was more directed towards ennagrams, thus I took the two other ones.


    -------------------


    Took another cognitive function test:
    Te (Extroverted Thinking) (60%)
    your valuation of / adherence to logic of external systems / hierarchies / methods
    Ti (Introverted Thinking) (75%)
    your valuation of / adherence to your own internally devised logic/rational
    Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (80%)
    your valuation of / tendency towards free association and creating with external stimuli
    Ni (Introverted Intuition) (60%)
    your valuation of / tendency towards internal/original free association and creativity
    Se (Extroverted Sensing) (35%)
    your valuation of / tendency to fully experience the world unfiltered, in the moment
    Si (Introverted Sensing) (45%)
    your valuation of / focus on internal sensations and reliving past moments
    Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (60%)
    your valuation of / adherence to external morals, ethics, traditions, customs, groups
    Fi (Introverted Feeling) (60%)
    your valuation of / adherence to the sanctity of your own feelings / ideals / sentiment
    //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
    based on your results your type is likely - entp
    Once again I tried to answer it as truthfully as possible.

    I think what causes the different results on the tests, is that I can always look at something from multiple sides, and thus the answer will depend on which arguements you hold highest.

    "27) There is nothing more important than the 'here and now'.."
    I've read several books on living in the now and if everybody did so I'm certain the world would be a much happier place. That is also the reason why I try to meditate every now and then. But then again, there isn't much point in living in the now, if your current activity isn't moving you towards the direction you want in your life, so I wouldn't say that nothing is more important.

    "
    20) My personal beliefs determine what I feel is right and wrong, what is important, and what is significant, regardless of the external beliefs."
    This is hard to answer, because we don't live in a vacuum. I follow my own personal beliefs and logic, but it has undoublty also been influenced by the outside world and other people.

    For instance, it is smart to listen to old people, since you can learn a lot from their wisdom. My grandfather always said "When finding a career. Pick something you enjoy doing, because then you can master it, and then the money will follow. Don't pick a career based on external factors such as money or what other people think." Logically this makes great sense, because you're going to be miserable if you do something you don't like. So, it is a belief of mine, but it has also been influenced from the external world.



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    ENFP

    @Marac , I think (after thinking) you do definitely lead with an Extroverted function. That means your dominant is either Ne, Se, Te, or Fe. Interestingly, I think I'm seeing hints of Ni when you analyze the picture. Can you find another picture and write of your impressions of it (just to make sure)? I'm not seeing enough Se here, I do not think. Well, here's something that might help. Which do you relate most to and why?

    The Form of the Inferior - EFJs
    the Form of the Inferior - ENPs
    https://personalitycafe.com/sps-tempe...tion-esps.html

    Sorry it took me so long to reply.
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  7. #6
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Quote Originally Posted by Julia Bell View Post
    @Marac, I think (after thinking) you do definitely lead with an Extroverted function. That means your dominant is either Ne, Se, Te, or Fe. Interestingly, I think I'm seeing hints of Ni when you analyze the picture. Can you find another picture and write of your impressions of it (just to make sure)? I'm not seeing enough Se here, I do not think. Well, here's something that might help. Which do you relate most to and why?

    The Form of the Inferior - EFJs
    the Form of the Inferior - ENPs
    https://personalitycafe.com/sps-tempe...tion-esps.html

    Sorry it took me so long to reply.
    Onion Creek Panorama | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

    The first thing I thought about where this photo was taken. The landscape looks sort of grand canyon-ish, so I'm guessing either that, or it could also be in Australia.

    The shadows are long indicating that the photo was either taken at sunrise or sundown. Maybe because of the yellow-ness of the light, but I think this is taken at sunrise.

    In the beginning I thought it was interesting how it looks warm down on the road, whereas you can see snow on the highest mountains, which we also often have here in Norway, due to the large variations in height. But, looking closer it seems like there is frost on the grass and on the ground, so the the photo is probably taken during the winter. The warm sunrise light makes it seem warmer than it is.

    The photo is definitely taken with a wide lens.

    The orange color on the hills is a complementary color to the blue sky.

    On the road you can see tracks from cars, but the road doesn't seem wide enough for two cars to pass eachother in the oposing lanes at the same time. So when a driver meets another one, either driver probably has to drive to the side and stop. (I've driven quite a bit on narrow roads like that, so I have experienced that many times.)

    The cloudy sky indicate that the air pressure is low (if it was high, the sky would be clear), so bad weather is more likely to happen during the time when the photo was taken.

    --------------------

    I can relate to the ENPs form of the inferior. I'm normally a enthusiastic, extroverted and laid-back person, but then I will become withdrawn and depressed. My mind can go into a one-track thinking mode, and everything else will become unimportant. I will also have a hard time making a decision, constantly finding arguements for both (or more) choices. I will analyse over and over again. (this points to this, but then again... on the other side... ect).

    I will become irritable and upset over small setbacks.

    I can't relate that much to the EFJs form of the inferior. I don't mistrust people. However, I can become really focused with finding the truth and try to find it elsewhere (such as the internet).

    The ETJs form of the inferior isn't that similar. I don't have sudden outburts of emotion, become agressive (with the intent of hurting people) or become afraid of my feelings.

    The ESPs form of the inferior also, isn't that similar.
    Last edited by Marac; 12-25-2012 at 04:50 AM.
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  8. #7
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    Some background information about me that may make it easier/harder:

    Personality:
    - People describe me as extroverted, positive, empathic, open minded,
    - I'm not very organized
    - I am very good at improvising
    - I don't like conflict between people and play the role of the peacemaker
    - Often I can't remember where I put things, because I am so often thinking about stuff
    - When events don't go the way I wanted/planned, I often analyse them over and over again and imagine possible scenarios of what could've happened
    - I get a lot of ideas, but I'm not always very good of finishing them.
    - I'm good at reading people and can see when they are not being sincere.
    - I often try to see things from an objective point of view and get uncomfortable when people become too emotional. I can see multiple points of view as well and rarely think one person or side is the right one. (if that were the case, then why would they hold different opinions in the first place?)

    Family:
    - I'm the youngest among my siblings and have two older sisters.


    Education:
    - Always loved making/shaping/building things so from a young age I wanted to be an invetor or an architect.
    - Favorite subjects in school: art, physics, music, english, history, social studies,
    - Least favorite subjects in school: french, geography, math,
    - After I finished high school I took a one-year leadership course in the Norwegian military. That is one of the reasons I now like to be in control, because I know I am a good leader, and I always want a good result on a project.
    - Started studying mechanical engineering after that, but didn't like it, because it was all problem-solving and not creative at all.
    - Started studying Industrial Design this fall and so far I am loving it. It is a lot of fun to get an asignment, where you have to think, brain-storm, evaulate, sketch, make models and hold presentations. It makes me go into flow a lot (which is pure happiness).
    - Considering switching to Architecture, since you get to work on bigger projects, with more factors, and the buildings stand for much longer than the lifetime of a typical product.
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