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This is a discussion on Type me if you can (not sure if IxxP or xxTJ) within the What's my personality type? forums, part of the Personality Cafe category; Originally Posted by weirdnormie This one is quite questionable, in my opinion, I'd like to have wider discussion about this ...

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    ISTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by weirdnormie View Post
    This one is quite questionable, in my opinion, I'd like to have wider discussion about this one.
    I don't have problems with doing intellectual, or philosophical work, or planning to the future. I can read between lines, come up with long term or very future based plan/schedule without problems, but can't be very good at coming up with bunch of ideas out of nowhere (like some people do who are Ne doms) and be extremely creative, I can't be good at physical or practical tasks such as money management, or going at the current flow with other people, physically "enjoying myself", etc. I generally don't excel at being very good at doing tasks that requires physical focus on what's going on right now, or the ones that focuses on past happenings, that requires memorizing everything what happened before, since I have short memory span sometimes and can't memorize lots of things at same time (since I am very forgetful, which is why lots of people abuse that and likes to poke fun of).

    I'm often scared that I'll lose myself and won't achieve anything in the future, because I'm scared that emotions might ruin everything (I can be somewhat driven on them), because I find it extremely hard to stay at current moment- be physically "right here and right now" with others and work like a worker bee. I find it even harder to be focused on past, mourning about same old things, being put into someone else's frame, and doing same repetitive things makes me sick.


    Another question: what's the big difference between Si/Se and Ni/Ne in real life practical situations?
    Most of what you said is interesting and I applaud your commitment to being so far on the fence you get splinters. I do that too.

    Sounds like Se not being in your stack more than Si not being there in not being able to physically be present. You could be either intuitive or a sensor at this point. Though you're asking me for real life practical situations, could point towards a sensor.

    It's more Si/Ne and Ni/Se, since they are the function pairs. They don't really act in isolation. I'm not very good at explaining them but here's a good example of how they work together.

    Ni and Si are mapping/anchoring functions.
    Ne and Se are exploration functions.

    If we wanna use a metaphor: One holds the map, the other goes indiana jones style into new territory.
    And they can't be described well without one another, so indeed they work in tandem.

    • NiSe holds an abstracted map, but does literal exploration.
    • SiNe holds a literal map, but does abstract exploration.
    I'll try to give a bit more of a practical example of how that might work.

    So you've taken on a new subject at college or whatever and you don't really know what you're doing. Mrs SiNe will look at what they've done before in the past and think "well I did Psychology in high school and this course is Anthropology" and Ne will generate all the ideas that they took from Psychology in High School, and then they actually did Biology as well so you could consider that, as well as a bit of History, and link it to Anthropology.

    Mr NiSe will look at the Anthropology course and see it through their own frame of reference - Anthropology is this according to me and they'll go deep into the knowledge while Se will process the information they receive as is without really linking it back to anything in the past - Ni does that instead, but on a more abstract level than Si. Think papers being strewn about the place with your notes vs organising everything into a binder.

    Si will go to the alphabetised section of the binder to find something - Ni will find it by kicking it with their foot and seeing that it's what they needed all along.
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    Now I'm really confused if I'm Ni or Si user.

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    ISTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by weirdnormie View Post
    Now I'm really confused if I'm Ni or Si user.
    Do you sit there and think for ages and can't recall something, then it'll come to you in something unrelated later, or can you usually recall things on demand?


    You'll do both but it's a matter of which happens more often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
    Do you sit there and think for ages and can't recall something, then it'll come to you in something unrelated later, or can you usually recall things on demand?

    You'll do both but it's a matter of which happens more often.
    It really depends on situations. When it comes to work that isn't really creativity related, I can come up with something on demand, if it requires some creativity, I often end up needing to get some fresh air, and then I come up with something that I need when it's not needed at all, otherwise I can't come up with anything and I'm stuck.
    It's probably the first one, because it takes some time for me to recall or come up with something, and I rarely come up with something new out of a sudden or on demand.
    Last edited by weirdnormie; 07-14-2018 at 09:06 AM.
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    ISTJ

    Quote Originally Posted by weirdnormie View Post
    It really depends on situations. When it comes to work that isn't really creativity related, I can come up with something on demand, if it requires some creativity, I often end up needing to get some fresh air, and then I come up with something that I need when it's not needed at all, otherwise I can't come up with anything and I'm stuck.
    It's probably the first one, because it takes some time for me to recall or come up with something, and I rarely come up with something new out of a sudden or on demand.
    Either you don't value Ne or it's very low in your stack. Not sure based on this. I'll have a think

  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Retsu View Post
    Either you don't value Ne or it's very low in your stack. Not sure based on this. I'll have a think
    I'm not sure about Ne usage. I don't know which inferior function I'm leaning more towards to.
    All I know, is that I sometimes end up randomly doing something physical and stupid, and then I blame myself for that, or that I often need to get involved into some sort of physical activity or some sort of crafts that involves physical work to blow off some steam, because I otherwise can't control myself and stay calm.

  8. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by weirdnormie View Post
    I'm not sure about Ne usage. I don't know which inferior function I'm leaning more towards to.
    All I know, is that I sometimes end up randomly doing something physical and stupid, and then I blame myself for that, or that I often need to get involved into some sort of physical activity or some sort of crafts that involves physical work to blow off some steam, because I otherwise can't control myself and stay calm.
    That would be inferior Se. Or just being a guy with a short temper.


    For me the easiest way to decide Se/Ni, Ne/Si is this question:

    2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?

    Which you already answered:
    I chose the pic with Aurora Borealis, because it seems to be more calm, relieving, and it’s relaxing just by looking at it. Feels like a nice view, and gives me chills by looking at it. The picture with croissants is not so eye attracting to me, since it’s on low resolution and too saturated for me (the effects are kind of an eyesore in my opinion). The landscape seems to be more appealing to me.
    Your interpretation seems closest to Ni-Se to me but try describing some others, to see if the pattern stays true: Click to generate random picture



    Si-Ne user would focus what the picture reminds him of, go into describing the memories and perhaps wondered some about what is behind the lines.
    Ne-Si user would go behind the picture and wonder about what can't be seen - for example where the beach is located, what time of year it is, if it is a scene from a movie etc. and perhaps recalled about a beach he was at in the past.
    Se-Ni user would describe the photo using words such as "beautiful", "vivid", "good quality" and perhaps put some unexplainable/weird interpretation.
    Ni-Se user would receive odd hunches about the picture, perhaps mixing it with telling how well made/beautiful the picture is.

    ^Spoiler contains the key how to interpret your answers but don't open it before describing some more pictures because it might cause bias.

    What hits me in you is also how far you reach in your visions of future/plans. That's what Ni doms do from my understanding.
    Last edited by Kiriae; 07-14-2018 at 01:54 PM.
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    I did some analysis:

    You seem to have Te in stack:


    • I value intelligence, efficiency, competence, and tolerance, but can’t really tolerate inefficiency, laziness, and too big childishness. Don’t have opinion about stupidity and narrow mindedness, since I probably AM that kind of person.
    • I used to be hipocrite when it came to rules and authority when I was younger. I liked forcing rules on others, seeking for authority, but not following and using them by myself. I didn’t cared much about others, I just wanted order.
    • Now I see strong importance of rules and laws, but I don’t like strictly enforcing them to others, and I don’t like being pushed around by others. I often try to find flaws and mistakes in the rules/laws we have to deal with, thinking about what could be improved and what could be avoided. If they don’t make sense, I don’t follow them or abuse them for fun matter or my own good.
    • Honestly, I have a fear that I’ll be a useless trash and won’t achieve anything in my life. I fear that other people will achieve something, and I won’t, that I’ll end up as alone, useless, easily gullible loser with no perspectives, minimal wage, shitty job
    • I usually strive for high status that requires some serious work, but am too lazy to be responsible, and will most likely learn it anyway, so maybe I’ll become a scientist, or CEO, or something else,



    And your misbehaving feelings seem to be Fi:

    • I’m extremely reserved and private and suck ass at expressing myself and my feelings, but sometimes end up reading people. It is always easier to explain things such as mood or what I feel inside by writing down on paper or by doing some sort of meaningful things. I don't feel comfortable letting other people see me expressing my feelings
    • I stay emotionally blunt and straightforward, but initiative and controlling, and tend to twist the discussions where I want, without paying attention to what other people want.
    • I secretly want to be liked by others, have a good feedback, maybe even make some good contacts.
    • I may seem to look insensitive towards criticism outside, but deep inside, I’m very sensitive and sometimes get offended very quickly. Once I get offended, I become (self)loathing, uncaring, and sometimes physically abusive. I like to stay true to myself, my ideals, and my thoughts, but I somewhat care about others sometimes.
    • I appear to be incredibly shallow, very shy, somewhat goofy and lazy, and narrow minded when intellectual/philosophical discussions occur. I also wish I was more tolerant and caring towards others, responsible and had a stronger spine, because in some cases I’m very cold and in most of the case I’m extremely selfish, and don’t help others, because I don’t know how to help them or end up whoring for attention/help.
    • Outside of my family and few friends, people rarely see me when I’m enjoying myself or feeling comfortable. I’m usually very private and hate intimacy or being in big groups, probably even too private at some cases.
    • I stay focused on what’s good for me and friends only, I focus on myself rather than others. I’m individualist and pretty much don’t care what social norms are dictating me to do.



    Those parts show Se inferior:

    • The picture with croissants is not so eye attracting to me, since it’s on low resolution and too saturated for me (the effects are kind of an eyesore in my opinion). The landscape seems to be more appealing to me.
    • Once I get offended, I become (self)loathing, uncaring, and sometimes physically abusive.
    • I don’t enjoy group interactions. They are not very bad for me, but they are rather annoying and too unpredictable, because there are lots of people to focus on, and it leaves me really exhausted after spending some time.
    • I also sometimes fear that I will lose myself completely and do tons of harm to others, because once something bad happens or when I reach certain break point, I can become very destructive and manipulative, someone who is driven no matter what, doesn’t care about anything and wants to manipulate others and destroy everything in his way, loves hurting others and killing off everything on his way.
    • Usually my impulsive behaviour leads me to make too sudden decisions, too much unpredictability, and lots of mistakes, which is why right now I try to be more peaceful and not so impulsive.
    • in high school I used to have high goals in life until I got into alcoholism and masturbation addictions, that were solved later on (stereotypical Se grip)
    • What drains me more is lack of order and too much chaos- when surroundings are very loud and distracting I easily lose my track, can’t focus, and get distracted.
    • I can't be good at physical or practical tasks such as money management, or going at the current flow with other people, physically "enjoying myself", etc. I generally don't excel at being very good at doing tasks that requires physical focus on what's going on right now, (...)



    As for Ni tracks:


    • I’m often driven by philosophical things and few ideas, that I usually get into and barely can let go.
    • I usually don’t go deeply into details, because details sometimes kill me, makes me anxious, and I can’t memorize them all, that’s why I usually go for “big picture” and stay focused on that.
    • I sometimes quickly come up various ideas, but I must think and plan strategically, and think about outcomes, otherwise I’m toast. I suck at improvising and doing things at the present moments or living with past happenings (I just don’t understand reason why people do that), so I’m better at focusing on the future, strategically planning things, and sticking to some ideas I want to get done.
    • Honestly, I sometimes feel like I’m horrible person and that I’m just a waste of oxygen in this world, because I somewhat feel that I lack understanding, vision, wider opinion towards certain things. When it comes to intelligence, I wish I had stronger vision, better memory, (...)
    • I would hate to be too soft, spineless, and overly sensitive person with completely no vision, the one that has no opinion and no clue what’s happening around. I kinda could accept it in some other people, but not in myself.
    • One subject was getting cut completely and 5 months sooner than it was planned, due to budget cut, so we all had to finish our summaries with ppts sooner in 2 weeks. I already had everything planned 4 months ahead, but had to change my plans, because I needed to prepare for exam sooner and make summary out of somewhere. Usually doing something I need, and while that, thinking about tasks I’ll do next, planning things on grind scheme-like or to-do-list lists, and thinking about what will happen next.
    • I planned how I’ll get right trading cards, prepare for exam and will manage to complete all my homework. Everything was planned like for 3 weeks ahead, but unfortunately I lost my internet connection for whole month and parents needed a scapegoat to get their late errands done because they were too late, so I got really stressed out, sort of depressed, and hated myself for not getting things done the way I wanted to do.
    • I have a fear that I’ll be a useless trash and won’t achieve anything in my life. I fear that other people will achieve something, and I won’t,that I’ll end up as alone, useless, easily gullible loser with no perspectives, minimal wage, shitty job, no values, no vision, absolute nothing, that just lets himself get controlled by the media and will be forever consumer. I also sometimes fear, that there is also nothing to care about, nothing to get done in this life, nothing to learn, nothing to discover, nothing to get to accomplish.
    • Right now before I graduate from college, I have small amount of long term ones, that are associated with interests in changing my hobbies into some others that will be useful, and maybe even changing perspectives in career. I usually strive for high status that requires some serious work, but am too lazy to be responsible, and will most likely learn it anyway, so maybe I’ll become a scientist, or CEO, or something else, but I can’t talk too much about it, because Murphy can happen and everything will probably go in wild direction, probably even opposite and different than I planned.
    • I get energized when I don’t socialize and there aren’t lots of people around, when I can “zone out” and free my mind by doing something that lets me “lay out”, when I can get things done and not get interrupted too much, when I can plan and think about near future
    • I don't have problems with doing intellectual, or philosophical work, or planning to the future. I can read between lines, come up with long term or very future based plan/schedule without problems, but can't be very good at coming up with bunch of ideas out of nowhere (like some people do who are Ne doms) and be extremely creative
    • I'm often scared that I'll lose myself and won't achieve anything in the future
    • I find it extremely hard to stay at current moment- be physically "right here and right now" with others and work like a worker bee. I find it even harder to be focused on past, mourning about same old things, being put into someone else's frame, and doing same repetitive things makes me sick.




    Based on that I think you are INTJ stuck in Fi loop.
    Last edited by Kiriae; 07-14-2018 at 03:17 PM.
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    @Kiriae
    This is was my image:
    http://writingexercises.co.uk/images...rain-coats.jpg (I'm giving url, because forum somehow doesn't show images for me)
    First what comes to my mind is that is very rainy, kind of makes me feel cozy and chill about what I'm seeing, but also tells me that it would be better to prepare myself for weather like that, get myself a good pair of boots or shoes, and a good rain jacket or good coat, otherwise I might get really wet and cold.


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