NT or SP? Tests Are Bogus, What Functions Do You See? Questionnaire Answers!

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This is a discussion on NT or SP? Tests Are Bogus, What Functions Do You See? Questionnaire Answers! within the What's my personality type? forums, part of the Personality Cafe category; I first learned about the Jungian functions in 2011 and have been fascinated (and confused) ever since. However, because of ...

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    NT or SP? Tests Are Bogus, What Functions Do You See? Questionnaire Answers!

    I first learned about the Jungian functions in 2011 and have been fascinated (and confused) ever since. However, because of all the biases and misinformation out there (not to mention the tests...) I have had a very difficult time pin pointing what my best fit type might be. I've thought I might be anything from ISTP to ENTJ haha the tests do nothing but make the situation more confusing (ISTP, ISTJ, INTP, INTJ, ENTJ results)

    Any insight would be appreciated, as long as you have information to back up your opinions.

    I am going to be using Herp's personality questionnaire :)

    To preface this I used to be a total messy lazy slob until I turned 18 (aside from alphabetizing my video games and color coding my wardrobe), then I became a neat freak. Weird. I was also homeschooled for 5 years through middle school.

    1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?

    I am both practical and theoretical. I can fix anything (computers, cars, bikes, sinks), but I also love studying philosophy and abstract concepts (Plato's theory of forms, object oriented programming, the subconscious mind)

    2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?

    I yearn to make an impact on the world, to give back to others in a unique way that helps influence people and better their lives. Making music, writing books, fixing peoples computers, making personal development videos, etc. I want to do this because I know the impact these things have had on my life and how messed up and cynical the world can be (ie. the school system is designed to turn naive children into wage slaves).

    3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.

    I worked as an IT repair technician fixing anything electronic and the thing that made me feel the best was when my coworkers would come to me (Almost double my age. At the time I was 18) and ask me to help them. Without any manuals or videos I could completely disassemble and repair/rebuild anything that was given to me. All of my coworkers were college educated or trade school trained so it felt cool knowing I taught myself everything and was more capable than they were of learning new things.

    4) What makes you feel inferior?

    What makes me feel inferior is being placed in situations that I feel weak at, such as being in an English class and asked to analyze a piece of text without time to think through how I feel about it. I'm a great writer, but it takes time and careful planning. Also when people need emotional support and all I can do is offer them advice (that they don't listen to anyway). I want to help them solve the problem, but have difficulty viewing their emotions as a problem that needs solving, my mindset is "get over it and fix what's making you sad."

    5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)

    My decisions are heavily based upon what makes logical sense to me. Some examples would be driving a 27 year old Honda Civic because it is easiest and cheapest car to fix plus it gets 32mpg, juicing beets and spinach because it makes me feel good and is super healthy (tastes weird though haha), and not buying Starbucks coffee because it tastes horrible, is over priced, and they're a giant corporation that doesn't really value my patronage (I just make tea at home). So I suppose I use facts to make decisions, I'm very black and white.

    6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?

    I'm in control of the outcome from the very beginning. My typical approach is to sit down and make a game plan before doing anything. I think about what I will need, how much time it will take, money I might need, all before doing any work. After getting the general gist I'll jump into action and improvise or rearrange tasks as needed. My emphasis is to "work smart and hard," taking the time to plan ahead can save a lot of time in the end.

    7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?

    I went camping at Ricketts Glen State Park, there are over 20 waterfalls there, and went on a nice 5 mile or so hike. The waterfalls were beautiful, but I have a hard time envisioning them specifically in my head, aside from a few snapshots. I remember the beautiful lush Northeastern greenery, full of moss and brush, and the chill in the October air. The overall excitement and anticipation of hiking to the next waterfall accompanied with being surround by rocks and plants made it really peaceful with a mix exhilaration. Seeing how the water has eroded the rocks also give an impressive sense of the age of the land and made me think of what the Native Americans might have thought stumbling across such a magnificent natural occurrence (if it was there back then I guess), and how it might look in the future after more erosion takes place.

    8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theorize, to memorize, etc)

    I love learning new things so I'm not averse to jumping on youtube or reading forum pages to find the answers I'm looking for. Say I want to learn to solder circuit boards, I'll watch like 3-5 youtube videos, then try it myself (and mess up a bunch), then go back on youtube with my newly acquired experience, then try again till I get it. If there's something I want to learn I won't stop until I get it. I'm like 50% theory and 50% application. I hate learning useless theories like most of calculus, but love learning about electrical circuits and how the transfer of electrons is affected by the resistance of wires cause I can use that to setup some speakers in my car.

    I find memorizing things to be a waste of time because I can just make notes to refer to if I forget something, the general concepts are what's important. You can use them for anything. Understanding ignition systems helps me work on any car, not just my Honda Civic

    9) How organized do you to think of yourself as?

    I'm extremely organized, I'm surprised I don't have a list of my lists haha This is more of a recent thing I've been getting into when I got my IT job when I was 18, but since then it's only been getting more advanced. I use different methods like the Pomodoro and Get Things Done techniques to categorize and calculate how long it will take me accomplish tasks (if I feel like working on my tasks haha). I use a Passion Planner to keep track of my weekly, monthly, and yearly goals so I stay on track. My room is almost always clean and everything I own has a specific place that it belongs. I try to be minimalistic, so that makes cleaning pretty easy. It's so efficient knowing where all my stuff is, plus it keeps me from getting stressed out. My other family members drive me crazy with how messy they are.

    10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?

    I'm very critical of new ideas, they have to pass my series of tests before I'll consider fitting them into my life. "Does this help me reach my goals?" "Will this bring me happiness?" "Is this a good usage of my time?" For example, say someone tells me I need to meditate. I'll probably get on my computer and use the same method I used in question 8 for learning something new. I need to see the information I can find and get multiple perspectives on why it might be good or bad, then make the decision for myself. "Oh, it can help me increase my focus and reduce stress? that sounds pretty helpful! Sitting around doing nothing and breathing might seem like a waste of time to some, but the benefits seem are worth it to me."

    11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?

    I always follow what I believe, which usually means going against what the majority believes. I don't own a TV, I sleep on the floor, I eat a plant based diet, I use a dumbphone while I'm out, I don't drink alcohol (I like psychedelics though ;p) I think you get the idea haha My goal in life is to become my true authentic self. I try to make sure people are happy in the sense that they are following their inner desires, not societal norms which fluctuate from culture to culture.

    12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

    I normally think before speaking to make sure what I'm saying is correct and I've accounted to most of the variables. One-on-one discussion are my preferred method of communication, I really don't like groups because it usually ends up that one person is annoyingly leading the discussions with typical ESFJ topics (sorry guys ;) ) or there are fragmented discussions throughout the group. People don't usually care about what I talk about so I like to be alone rather than feeling like I'm being tuned out by everyone.

    13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?

    Like I stated previously in question 8, I like to do a little bit of preliminary research before jumping into something, but I'll definitely jump in. Say I want to learn how to trim some hedges, I'm not gonna go out there and just start chopping away at them, I'll do a little research and make a game plan then go out and hack away. It might get messed up, but who cares? I verified what worked and what didn't and will be better prepared for the next time.

    Action is all that matters, IMO. Talk is cheap, go out and actually do it, then come back and talk ;)

    14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?

    Depends on what they mean by a night out or how wiped I am. If they wanna go do something involving actively socializing (bar, night club, party) then forget about it, but if they want to go chill by a lake or maybe checkout a concert I'd be down.

    15) How do you act when you're stressed out?

    When I'm stressed I am STRESSED, and people normally know it, unfortunately. I can be aggressive, hypercritical, and want to break something. I'll find fault with everyone and let them know it (even with myself). It's pretty hard for me to hide when I'm really mad cause I'll have a pissed off glare, despite trying to hide it cause I don't like talking about my feelings. I've also noticed I want to find something to help calm me down like music, some kind of food or substance, an athletic activity like running or skateboarding, or organizing my room (to give me a sense of control).

    16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?

    In regards to Jungian functions, I normally detest Fe in its generic form of adhering to social norms blindly and how they seem to be happy living normal boring lives (being normal and open with everyone). I also dislike generic forms of Se and the hedonism and surface level thinking (fancy cars, big houses, bling watches).

    I also dislike people who are lazy, people who talk the talk, but can't walk the walk, and people who complain about the same stuff while doing nothing to fix their problems.

    I could keep going hehe ;p

    17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?

    I love talking about how things work like computers and cars, though no one really cares about their car or computer as long as it looks pretty and it works when they turn it on (I make money off of their ignorance though so I can't complain too much ;) ).

    I also like sharing advice on things like brain hacks and how to improve your life by putting in the hard work and doing stuff you don't wanna do (waking up early, meditating, journaling, eating veggies, exercising, organizing, making lists, giving up TV, reducing social media usage, etc.)

    18) What kind of things do pay the least attention to in your life?

    I don't care about things like "keeping up with the Joneses." To me the stuff most people are concerned with is so minute to me. The kind of car I drive, computer and phone I use, house I live in, and the clothes I wear are meaningless in displaying the value of my life. I prefer to live with the least amount of things possible while still being happy. I guess you could say I care the least about following the crowd, because if you do what everyone else does you'll end up like everyone else, broke and unhappy (The average person has over $5000 in credit card debt - creditcard.com)

    19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?

    My friends would perceive me as overly realistic, sometimes a bit pessimistic, able to fix anything or help them with anything, very introverted, and sometimes a bit harsh.

    Those would be pretty accurate descriptions, but I'm not afraid to just start talking to random people if I'm curious about something, never know what you'll learn if they're the right kinda person.

    My friends would probably never say I'm sociable, incompetent, lazy, normal, or empathetic.

    20) You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?

    I would probably wake up early and go out somewhere to go hiking in the mountains for most of the day and really enjoy everything around me, then possibly stop by a restaurant or pick up food to cook a hearty meal at home to refuel. Maybe end it off by laying in a hammock reading a book for a bit and then have a nice fire at night and cook some potatoes or corn in there and some s'mores.



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    In my opinion, you heavily resemble my INTJ friend in real life.

    From your questionnaire answers, I get a sense of extreme focus in everything you do. As a result, you have no problems disciplining yourself to become a better person. These are signs of Ni—a cognitive function which resides in your stack.

    Also, you say your decisions can be very “black and white”. This might be Ni and Fi working together with Te to create the most reasonable plan of action according to your values.

    An ISTP, in my opinion, would be a bit more impulsive when making such decisions, but they also consider the people around them to an extent using the inferior Fe. Thus, their decisions are not very black and white.
    Last edited by Etiennette; 07-26-2018 at 02:47 PM.

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    I see ISTP. Pretty much all you do in your daily life is Ti-Se. You are even a mechanic that is soooo ISTP! I usually don't use stereotypes to type but I just had to mention that one. Portrait of an ISTP - The Mechanic
    Any NT vibes might be coming from tertiary Ni.
    And I seriously can't see anything but a Ti dom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Etiennette View Post
    In my opinion, you heavily resemble my INTJ friend in real life.

    From your questionnaire answers, I get a sense of extreme focus in everything you do. As a result, you have no problems disciplining yourself to become a better person. These are signs of Ni—a cognitive function which resides in your stack.

    Also, you say your decisions can be very “black and white”. This might be Ni and Fi working together with Te to create the most reasonable plan of action according to your values.

    An ISTP, in my opinion, would be a bit more impulsive when making such decisions, but they also consider the people around them to an extent using the inferior Fe. Thus, their decisions are not very black and white.
    I'm definitely a very focused person, this has become more of a new thing to me recently. This may possibly stem from an internal locus of control.

    I try to study a lot of people that I find successful like Tim Ferris, Leo Gura (Actualized.org), and Koi Fresco (Koi's Corner) and try to incorporate pieces of their personalities into my life. "You are the people you surround yourself with." If there is something that you wish to attain the only thing stopping you from reaching that goal is hard work and dedication :)

    I wish I knew some real life INTJs or even an ENTJ so I could use that as a reference, but I cannot. Thank you for taking the time to check this out though :) I can see why you'd think Ni though, I can be quite tenacious in achieving goals I set for myself and like to have everything in my life flow towards a singular objective. Even commuting to work needs to have a purpose haha thank goodness for podcasts and youtube audio converters
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriae View Post
    I see ISTP. Pretty much all you do in your daily life is Ti-Se. You are even a mechanic that is soooo ISTP! I usually don't use stereotypes to type but I just had to mention that one. Portrait of an ISTP - The Mechanic
    Any NT vibes might be coming from tertiary Ni.
    And I seriously can't see anything but a Ti dom.
    Interesting observation. I am quite the handy man haha more of an intellectual one though, many of the ISTPs I've seen in my life are rather brash and seemingly uninterested in philosophical pursuits.

    What makes you say Ti-Se? Is it the fixing things and enjoying going outside aspect? I can fix pretty much anything and always keep a toolkit on me ;p

    I suppose what separates the ISTP and INTP would be the fact that my learning is always fueled by the desire to put it into action. Learning about electricity to rewire a circuit board, learning about PCs to build my own desktop, etc. haha stuff like physics isn't very applicable though and it's still pretty cool. Thinking about the thermodynamics of boiling water in a cold room or how equal and opposite frictional forces act on your tires to push your car forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayzupp View Post
    What makes you say Ti-Se? Is it the fixing things and enjoying going outside aspect? I can fix pretty much anything and always keep a toolkit on me ;p
    That's right.

    BTW. I can also "fix anything" but I don't bring any toolkit with me. I fix stuff MacGyver style. My restroom lock is made of a hairband. My nightlamp is attached to wall using a ducttape. The cupboard cats kept opening is now protected using a cat shaped () mobile phone ring holder (although it often falls down). My window is getting open and close using a trick only I know. My grandpa's glasses have a toothpick in them instead of a screw. Whatever works - works. :D That's Ne-Ti vs Ti-Se. My fixes don't have to be professional and I make my own tools using whatever. As I kid I was often breaking into my house (I kept losing my keys) - using different entrance every time. Once I even opened our door using a... spoon.

    I suppose what separates the ISTP and INTP would be the fact that my learning is always fueled by the desire to put it into action. Learning about electricity to rewire a circuit board, learning about PCs to build my own desktop, etc. haha stuff like physics isn't very applicable though and it's still pretty cool. Thinking about the thermodynamics of boiling water in a cold room or how equal and opposite frictional forces act on your tires to push your car forward
    I think the most difference lies in:
    INTP learns practical stuff when they get in the way of his learning abstract info (I learned how to fix computers because my computer broke and I couldn't get to the internet till it got fixed so I needed to or I would die of boredom :D).
    ISTP learns theoretical stuff when it's useful for understanding the physical world.

    BTW. I could care less about physics. I prefer math. I was actually solving physic problems using math equation transformations, without thinking about the actual application. I was getting correct results so it gave me straight A but I can't say I ever learned how the equations translate into the physical world (although I was getting correct answers on exams somehow because I could figure that out if asked). I just didn't care. The only equation I truly analyzed against real world out of my free will was the one for time travel.
    Last edited by Kiriae; 07-29-2018 at 12:58 PM.
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    You're an ISTP in my eyes. Your actions are dominated by Ti-Se and everything you've written points towards being one.

    Your want to first research (Ti) then execute the action (Se) is exactly what an ISTP would do. ISTP are called "The Mechanics" because they are able to approach most any physical/systematic problem and fix it. Ti breaks down the problems with ease and Se finds the way to execute the fix.

    Your simplistic quiet lifestyle is characteristic of an ISTP, everything you need and nothing more.

    Your dislike of Ne-Fe (ESFJs) is a good indicator of having Ni and inferior Fe which detests so much emotion being displayed or discussed.

    Your perfect day is going on a solitary hike and finding a relaxing environment to immerse yourself in which screams SP to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriae View Post
    That's right.

    BTW. I can also "fix anything" but I don't bring any toolkit with me. I fix stuff MacGyver style. My restroom lock is made of a hairband. My nightlamp is attached to wall using a ducttape. The cupboard cats kept opening is now protected using a cat shaped () mobile phone ring holder (although it often falls down). My window is getting open and close using a trick only I know. My grandpa's glasses have a toothpick in them instead of a screw. Whatever works - works. :D That's Ne-Ti vs Ti-Se. My fixes don't have to be professional and I make my own tools using whatever. As I kid I was often breaking into my house (I kept losing my keys) - using different entrance every time. Once I even opened our door using a... spoon.
    There's probably a major difference right there. Not that there's anything wrong with fixes like that, but to me I hate doing that. Yesterday I was repairing my windshield wiper transmission and had to hack together pieces to make it work, almost made my skin crawl hahaha the wipers aren't flopping around anymore though :)

    BTW. I could care less about physics. I prefer math. I was actually solving physic problems using math equation transformations, without thinking about the actual application.
    Sounds like something my math teacher said to me in calc 1, he was taking physics and saw all the math equations and mathematical proofs and just solved them like math problem if he didn't know what was going on haha

    I personally don't enjoy math class, solving the problems is so boring and monotonous. INTPs are probably more academically inclined I'd think, especially in my field of study (computer science).

    I'd rather learn by actually solving real world problems, I suppose it's more of a focus on the end goal. "we're here, now how can we get to there?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winegums View Post
    You're an ISTP in my eyes. Your actions are dominated by Ti-Se and everything you've written points towards being one.

    Your want to first research (Ti) then execute the action (Se) is exactly what an ISTP would do. ISTP are called "The Mechanics" because they are able to approach most any physical/systematic problem and fix it. Ti breaks down the problems with ease and Se finds the way to execute the fix.
    Seems like how I'd try solving a problem. Break down each constituent piece to create logical flow of execution, like a series of "if then, else" statements. "IF your car won't start THEN there's a electrical issue, or ELSE there's an mechanical issue," it's a computer programming thing haha

    Your dislike of Ne-Fe (ESFJs) is a good indicator of having Ni and inferior Fe which detests so much emotion being displayed or discussed.
    Two of my least favorite things are dramatic people and having too many options to choose from haha

    Your simplistic quiet lifestyle is characteristic of an ISTP, everything you need and nothing more.
    A trick I've learned is intentionally limiting my options as much as possible to leave room for (in my mind) higher level thinking. Simple diet, simple wardrobe, simple lifestyle. I suppose I'm trying to transcend the ego.

    Your perfect day is going on a solitary hike and finding a relaxing environment to immerse yourself in which screams SP to me.
    Sometimes, like yesterday, I enjoy walking around and just seeing what I can find. If you're looking around (and not at your phone ;p ) you can notice a lot of really cool stuff going on. Yesterday on my way to meditate near a lake I saw a giant hawk swoop down and catch a fish right out of the water! Pretty cool. And a flock of eastern blue birds nesting under a bridge. It's fun going into nature a tripping too, you feel like you're part of everything and realize that everything around you exists independently of human interaction in its own natural "society." Everything coexists intricately. I think this stuff on normal days too though, just not as in depth ;p

    I hate cities and heavily built up areas, it just gives me anxiety from my subconscious. It's like my mind knows that I need to limit my exposure to those things haha I live near the Philadelphia and NYC metro areas so that stuff is kinda hard to escape, but there's lotsa farms and trees near me so I'm good :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayzupp View Post
    Sometimes, like yesterday, I enjoy walking around and just seeing what I can find. If you're looking around (and not at your phone ;p ) you can notice a lot of really cool stuff going on. Yesterday on my way to meditate near a lake I saw a giant hawk swoop down and catch a fish right out of the water! Pretty cool. And a flock of eastern blue birds nesting under a bridge. It's fun going into nature a tripping too, you feel like you're part of everything and realize that everything around you exists independently of human interaction in its own natural "society." Everything coexists intricately. I think this stuff on normal days too though, just not as in depth ;p

    I hate cities and heavily built up areas, it just gives me anxiety from my subconscious. It's like my mind knows that I need to limit my exposure to those things haha I live near the Philadelphia and NYC metro areas so that stuff is kinda hard to escape, but there's lotsa farms and trees near me so I'm good :)
    Interesting. The hawk catching a fish was cool indeed. But most of other stuff? Bleh.
    Farms and trees are boring to me - I wouldn't even go to park if there was no squirrels and no clovers (I try to spot 4 leaf clovers as I walk) and I still prefer to get into a random tram than get inside the woods. On my way to a shop I do my groceries in I can either go 20 mins through the park or go 20 mins by tram, with one switch. I choose tram more often than not. Because the woods are too boring.
    The road is more interesting. Today I saw a broken truck on side road, in a weird shape due to being repaired (something like: http://truck-photos.net.s3.amazonaws.com/6553.jpg ). My mind went "Look, a transformer!" and I laughed so hard my eyes got teary.
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