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This is a discussion on I've been typing ISTJ for years but... Thanks for any input! within the What's my personality type? forums, part of the Personality Cafe category; Originally Posted by grumpytiger @ sriracha As to what I would like to do with the information on type. It's ...

  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpytiger View Post
    @sriracha As to what I would like to do with the information on type. It's just for more self-knowledge/understanding myself/exploring myself more and then relative to that, it is easier to see some things about other people too.

    Oh the passiveness issue. This article does imply that to me, with being mainly quiet, reserved and with the main interest just being in security and peaceful living. This is the kind of thing I meant. I didn't mean passive as in being totally lazy or doing nothing at all but being quite introverted and low-key, along with the indecisiveness issue (hence not taking action easily). Hope this clarifies.
    Just to clarify, are you saying that the words I bolded above do not identify with your personality? Have you read the other type descriptions on the site I linked, and if so do you identify close to any other types?

    Have you ever considered that you are no type? I find that too many people come on here desperate to squish themselves into a box they cannot fit in. And then they try to adopt traits, changing themselves to fit the type descriptions even if it feels unnatural. If the MBTI theory cannot give explanation on who you already are, then you're better off not using it. Humans are very complex creatures. There are lots of personality theories out there, and MBTI is only one of them. It works perfectly for me, but it may not work for you. Because you have the intent of wanting to understand and explore yourself more, I recommend you to search out other personality theories. Labelling and defining yourself as something that is not true to your personality is not any help on your journey of self-knowledge.
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  2. #12

    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha View Post
    Just to clarify, are you saying that the words I bolded above do not identify with your personality? Have you read the other type descriptions on the site I linked, and if so do you identify close to any other types?

    Have you ever considered that you are no type? I find that too many people come on here desperate to squish themselves into a box they cannot fit in. And then they try to adopt traits, changing themselves to fit the type descriptions even if it feels unnatural. If the MBTI theory cannot give explanation on who you already are, then you're better off not using it. Humans are very complex creatures. There are lots of personality theories out there, and MBTI is only one of them. It works perfectly for me, but it may not work for you. Because you have the intent of wanting to understand and explore yourself more, I recommend you to search out other personality theories. Labelling and defining yourself as something that is not true to your personality is not any help on your journey of self-knowledge.
    I do relate to the bolded but only in half. I'm pretty ambiverted. The only other description I relate decently well to on that site is ESTJ. I am somewhere between the two.

    As for your warning - I don't really have the slightest idea as to how I would even begin to try and adopt new traits. Nor do I have the interest in that. I am what I am.

    I did not say MBTI was completely useless to me, I am just exploring this a bit further. I am aware of other personality theories too. (Never said I was not.)

    Do you remember what you saw as non-ISTJ in my posts before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha View Post
    Just to clarify, are you saying that the words I bolded above do not identify with your personality? Have you read the other type descriptions on the site I linked, and if so do you identify close to any other types?

    Have you ever considered that you are no type? I find that too many people come on here desperate to squish themselves into a box they cannot fit in. And then they try to adopt traits, changing themselves to fit the type descriptions even if it feels unnatural. If the MBTI theory cannot give explanation on who you already are, then you're better off not using it. Humans are very complex creatures. There are lots of personality theories out there, and MBTI is only one of them. It works perfectly for me, but it may not work for you. Because you have the intent of wanting to understand and explore yourself more, I recommend you to search out other personality theories. Labelling and defining yourself as something that is not true to your personality is not any help on your journey of self-knowledge.
    That is what i did. No MBTI type. Type 6 in enneagram and Jungian Si dominant. MBTI ISTJ profile doesn't fit, nether makes any sense. First thing is MBTI ISTJ has Fe not Fi, secondly all this following the rules non sense. I am Si first, i follow the rules convenient/comfortable to me, break a lot of them actually.. Blindly following external rules i would read as Te dominance. But yeah Myer's ISTJ is less social ESTJ basically and more logical, less sensitive SFJ..All Myer's SJ are roughly the same actually
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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpytiger View Post
    So. I realise that
    No.

    Please respect the protocol. Go through the chain of command. We will contact you for a meet to better understand your grievances.

    Seriously...

    Stereotypes. You are ESTJ if you like mainly to lead or organize teams... ESTJ are dominators. It's not an option. They speak a lot too. A non-management ESTJ is an unfortunate ESTJ. But you can be ISTJ and competitive or lead a team if the opportunity arises. It will be just less nervous. Do you know that most of the soldiers are ISTJ. Most police officers are also ISTJ and are in constant activity so they can be very speed and competitive.

    Arthur Wellington was ISTJ.

    In essence, you think that introvert means submission ... When it's simply means that management is not our absolute preference.
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  6. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelight View Post
    I usually test as INTJ, but I once tested as ISTJ .

    You make me think to Brienne of Tarth, ISTJ:


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    INFP

    So you are sure you are XSTJ. So what are you proposing? That you are ESTJ?
    Are you an extravert?

    Only thing this pointed out is that you have strong Te and weak Fi.

    So examine the Si and Ne, do you think you have stronger Ne than Fi? Or Stronger Te that Si. Can you Te longer than you can Si or do you need a break? When you take a break what do you do?

    I think Sx/So can make someone more argumentative since it's in contra flow, and that's separate from type. Sx/So is the boldest of the IVs.
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  8. #17

    Quote Originally Posted by grumpytiger View Post
    I do relate to the bolded but only in half. I'm pretty ambiverted. The only other description I relate decently well to on that site is ESTJ. I am somewhere between the two.

    Do you remember what you saw as non-ISTJ in my posts before?
    The biggest thing that is non-ISTJ about your posts is that many of them are super long. A majority of the time, ISTJs do not like long posts. They will try to write their posts with preciseness but straight to the point. I don't want to eliminate xSTJ as a possibility for you, because I know English is your second language and culture may have to do with your writing style. But it does seem like you lack self-awareness.


    Here's a site that can help you understand more of the theory (read part III):
    https://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/theory#dom
    https://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/basics#off
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  9. #18

    Quote Originally Posted by UltimaRatio View Post
    No.

    Please respect the protocol. Go through the chain of command. We will contact you for a meet to better understand your grievances.



    Seriously...

    Stereotypes. You are ESTJ if you like mainly to lead or organize teams... ESTJ are dominators. It's not an option. They speak a lot too. A non-management ESTJ is an unfortunate ESTJ. But you can be ISTJ and competitive or lead a team if the opportunity arises. It will be just less nervous. Do you know that most of the soldiers are ISTJ. Most police officers are also ISTJ and are in constant activity so they can be very speed and competitive.

    Arthur Wellington was ISTJ.

    In essence, you think that introvert means submission ... When it's simply means that management is not our absolute preference.
    You are right about how I was interpreting introversion. A lot of people post about it like that.

    According to your criteria, I'm ISTJ.

    Actually, that makes total sense the way you put it.

    That is, I am active in that I like achieving and accomplishing things and putting in the effort for that, with some competitiveness and quite strong willingness to fight but always being the boss for the whole group or team everywhere would be too extraverted. While you say that only that is true extraversion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Pixel View Post
    So you are sure you are XSTJ. So what are you proposing? That you are ESTJ?
    Are you an extravert?

    Only thing this pointed out is that you have strong Te and weak Fi.

    So examine the Si and Ne, do you think you have stronger Ne than Fi? Or Stronger Te that Si. Can you Te longer than you can Si or do you need a break? When you take a break what do you do?

    I think Sx/So can make someone more argumentative since it's in contra flow, and that's separate from type. Sx/So is the boldest of the IVs.
    I was not proposing that I had to be an ESTJ, I wanted to see more about it though, yes.

    Funnily enough, I need a break from both - sometimes from Te, and sometimes from Si. Though it's different for a Te break than for a Si break...

    About Te - if I have been active doing things actively - and not just the detail oriented or routine stuff - for a long time, then I do like to rest. That rest is pretty passive even if not 100% passive, and I withdraw to be alone. I either read something easy or sometimes maybe watch a video with someone I like to be with, or it's late enough to go bed and just sleep. I don't like to be too passive, so yeah, if I'm just passive not even reading, I get uncomfortable, I'd rather sleep than just be fully passive like that. All in all, I do definitely need some downtime and rest, though that seems a natural, necessary thing for everyone.

    And about Si, if I have been doing routine or detail oriented work with relatively little action beyond that, then after a while I can get to feel it's a bit too low key, low energy, low mood (though by this I mostly mean just being unemotional), whatever. If I was to be like this forever, I'd be sorely missing the action and excitement. I'd need someone to at least entertain me enough then. I do overall have high tolerance for doing less action-oriented tasks though, I have patience enough. All in all, I would psychologically be capable of doing this kind of life forever but I'd feel unfulfilled. Whatever that means. Maybe needing the inferior function too, idk.

    So things like this definitely made me consider the I/E letter more.
    Last edited by grumpytiger; 04-13-2019 at 06:21 PM.
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  10. #19

    Quote Originally Posted by sriracha View Post
    The biggest thing that is non-ISTJ about your posts is that many of them are super long. A majority of the time, ISTJs do not like long posts. They will try to write their posts with preciseness but straight to the point. I don't want to eliminate xSTJ as a possibility for you, because I know English is your second language and culture may have to do with your writing style. But it does seem like you lack self-awareness.


    Here's a site that can help you understand more of the theory (read part III):
    https://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/theory#dom
    https://mbti-notes.tumblr.com/basics#off
    Oh I mainly write long when I get into internal aspects of myself or other people. Metacognitive, sometimes emotional.

    I do not like your assumption that I lack self-awareness... that was pretty rude and uncalled-for. Besides being nonfactual.

    Thanks for the links though. I have been on this forum for years so I have the theory basics alright, but more detail on the functions etc. never hurts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Elwinz View Post
    That is what i did. No MBTI type. Type 6 in enneagram and Jungian Si dominant. MBTI ISTJ profile doesn't fit, nether makes any sense. First thing is MBTI ISTJ has Fe not Fi, secondly all this following the rules non sense. I am Si first, i follow the rules convenient/comfortable to me, break a lot of them actually.. Blindly following external rules i would read as Te dominance. But yeah Myer's ISTJ is less social ESTJ basically and more logical, less sensitive SFJ..All Myer's SJ are roughly the same actually
    ISTJ has Fe and not Fi? How?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grumpytiger View Post


    ISTJ has Fe and not Fi? How?
    In official MBTI manual: ISTJ Si-Te-Fe-Ne ISFJ Si-Fe-Te-Ne
    ISTJ with Fi is in Grant-Brownsword stack.


     
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