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    Typing Me Would Be Neat

    A subreddit uses this questionnaire for typing, and I decided to post there. However, the responses lacked anything that left me satisfied. It would be better if I added a little more onto this one rather than making a new one.

    • How old are you? What's your gender? Give us a general description of yourself.

    18. Male. I dislike describing myself due to the possibility that I may delude some of my traits.

    • Is there a medical diagnosis that may impact your mental stability somehow?

    I never received a mental diagnosis. I would like one though because I struggle in evaluating my own mental health.

    • Describe your upbringing. Did it have any kind of religious or structured influence? How did you respond to it?

    My parents separated when I was 10. A year later they came back together until a divorce at 12. I live with my mom. My mother was in a very poor place of mind about four years ago to the point where it threatened her life. This is important because, even though she moved past this, I try to please her in every I can out of fear for of another episode. This desire gets in the way of any self-improvement for me. I dare to not stand up against her. This stunts any development for myself because I fear any risk I take negatively affects her. I become her model son even though our values differ from each other. She likes the more traditional values in life.

    I attend a Lutheran church. I go to service almost every week since I was 10. I'm profane due a lack of feeling towards a god. It is not due to sort of disillusion from outside sources. Our church focuses more on broad values more than studying exegeses, luckily. I fake my spirituality to please my mom (who would be harsh to me even though she doesn't attend services) and my family on my mother's side. My grandpa, great grandparents, uncles, aunts, and some cousins all attend. Our family goes by routine. We eat lunch together every Sunday. A few of us eat breakfast together every Saturday. That makes deviating from my family all the more difficult.

    This monotony sickens me. I never understand how people like it. Yet, I feel guilty for disliking a stable domestic life since I receive such generosity and live in conditions that most people would envy. I tolerate this inner conflict knowing I go to college next year. It will be an hour away (but I truly wanted to go out of state), so I still will be trapped in some of these obligations.

    My relationship with my dad and his side of the family is estranged. I visit like once every two or three months. He's fine now, but the reasons for the divorce makes his amends slow.

    • If you had to spend an entire weekend by yourself, how would you feel? Would you feel lonely or refreshed?

    I would love it. I live with my two sisters and my mother. My grandparents live down the street. Separating my life from theirs is impossible. It just sucks. We work as a collective, so any deviation from the norm will be scrutinized. Freedom like that would be utilized with joy.

    • What kinds of activities do you prefer? Do you like, and are you good at sports? Do you enjoy any other outdoor or indoor activities?

    I read. I like writing, but I never really express myself through writing because any shared personal conflict will burden my family, so I'm waiting to move out until I make an earnest attempt with my works.

    I appreciate sports. I played soccer and tennis in high school. I wanted to quit soccer (because I started to feel dispassionate about for a few years) during my senior year, but I felt guilty bailing my friends, so I stuck with it. I regret playing tennis, too. I loved it freshmen year. It was an opportunity of self-growth, new connections, and expressing whole-hearted devotion without judgement. I failed to grow. My connections were superficial. I lost so many times to the point where I accepted that I just wasted many, many hours of my life.

    My family loves watching sports, so I learned all the rules to all the major sports. It's a medium that allows me to talk to family, if anything.

    • How curious are you? Do you have more ideas then you can execute? What are your curiosities about? What are your ideas about - is it environmental or conceptual, and can you please elaborate?

    I have no idea how I compare to others as far as curiosity goes. I mean, being unconcerned with the life around you would be considered a negative trait, so I think most people would want to believe themselves as curious.

    I suppose that I indulge in some my favorite shows with more curiosity than others. I started watching anime analysis videos two years ago which improved my critical thinking skills. Analyses really improves my enjoyment of a show while at the same time gives me ideas on how I can execute my writing.

    People also interest me. I sit in the middle of classes so I can switch between observing and interacting whenever I please. I suppose my curiosity for the human condition further strengthens my enjoyment for writing.
    I dislike the environment, but I understand its importance. Perfectly understanding a setting for novel must be a requirement for me because if I understand something inside and out then I would know all of options to include into a story. Knowing my options allows me to pick the best option.

    To give an example, I wrote a descriptive essay a few months ago. It involved a huge conch. I care about conchs about as much you do, but I knew that writing something so underused would help me understand how to research physical details. Plus, the essay mainly focused on that conch because everything basically revolved around it, including the symbolic and thematic elements In the end, I learned some terms that may become useful later on, so learning about the physical environment helps me enhance my conceptual ideas.

    • Would you enjoy taking on a leadership position? Do you think you would be good at it? What would your leadership style be?

    No. For some reason, I struggle in explaining why. Perhaps it's a knee jerk reaction related to some unknown, deep-rooted self-esteem issues. I know I lead better if the thing that needs leadership allows more planning (e.g. planning a collaborative essay). Leadership that requires in-the-moment decisions (e.g. leading a soccer team) overwhelms me. I like leadership that involves a lot of communication because it degrades my position of power. I want to come to a point where everybody will feel satisfied with the plan.

    • Are you coordinated? Why do you feel as if you are or are not? Do you enjoy working with your hands in some form? Describe your activity?

    It varies. For some reason, my coordination in four-square and some video games works well. Yet, I whiff my tennis serves at times (and I literally only see myself doing this in my area), trip up staircases easily, and, just recently, cut my lip while sealing an envelope. There's more, but I think you get the point.

    • Are you artistic? If yes, describe your art? If you are not particular artistic but can appreciate art please likewise describe what forums of art you enjoy. Please explain your answer.

    Like I said, I like writing, but I don't write. In novels, I like contemporary coming-of-age (probably because I yearn for that journey that these novels provide), but in anime I like fantasy. Character-driven fantasy in anime is a real treat, so I probably should try to see if any novels cater to me.

    • How do you act when others request your help to do something (anything)? If you would decide to help them, why would you do so?

    This seems very vague and situational. I'll skip this one.

    • Do you need logical consistency in your life?

    Does this refer to my internal values or the external... everything? Also vague.

    • How important is efficiency and productivity to you?

    Also situational, but I'll bite. I think everything holds purpose. Whether that be playing tennis during high school or publishing my first book. I need to reflect onto my values to see which action would be the most beneficial to me. I examine my values and determine their net worth. While I can't quantify that, I try my best internally. For example, I would not turn in homework if it prevented the possibility of an impending burnout which would hurt me in the long term. I make the wrong decisions a lot, but I try to find the silver lining.

    • Do you control others, even if indirectly? How and why do you do that?

    I control how people perceive me. I attempt to give off more of a reactive, impersonal persona rather than the opposite of that. I add hints of personality every now and then, but that is merely a means to blend into my environment easier.

    • What are your hobbies? Why do you like them?

    Writing, as I wrote earlier. I like it because it gives opportunities to do anything. It lets me critically think and explore a variety of interests. It allows me to observe and be creative. It allows me to be genuine. I love consuming works of fiction and it would be great to be one of those works that inspires that same passion I hold.


    • What is your learning style? What kind of learning environments do you struggle with most? Why do you like/struggle with these learning styles? Do you prefer classes involving memorization, logic, creativity, or your physical senses?

    I've learned most of my writing skills from the internet. (My high school English department frustrates me.) I watch reviews and analyses to understand and the concepts and tools that make a piece of exist and use the ones that would be most beneficial to a work.

    • How good are you at strategizing? Do you easily break up projects into manageable tasks? Or do you have a tendency to wing projects and improvise as you go?

    My strategizing with time is pretty bad. The projects themselves, however, always need structure. I make and stick my purpose of my projects that I care about (if I have control over it). I need my projects to be perfect. I feel dissatisfied winging parts of my essay, and I only do that when time constraints force me to. I classify myself as a plotter rather than a pantser.

    • What are your aspirations in life, professionally and personally?

    To become an author. Personally, and I know my warped values make this belief a little unhealthy, I want be part of a journey like a character in a story. I want to suffer and grow from my failures. I want to confront and overcome my shortcomings. I want the wisdom to succor others. Basically, I want to live a life similar to characters in entertainment that I attach myself to.

    • What are your fears? What makes you uncomfortable? What do you hate? Why?

    I fear that my life will continue as it is. Conflict makes me uncomfortable. I have this tendency cover my ears when I sense it somewhere in public. I do this when an awkward/embarrassing moment to a person/character I care for, too.

    • How attached are you to reality? Do you daydream often, or do you pay attention to what's around you? If you do daydream, are you aware of your surroundings while you do so?

    I used to daydream more. I still can daydream, but life calls for so much attention to reality. This past year, my family got this dog. It does not shut up. How do I daydream with that? My friends expect me to interact with them in class, so it would be a disservice to them to daydream. I enjoy daydreaming, and I still get to during church services, but I lack the opportunity to now.

    • Imagine you are alone in a blank, empty room. There is nothing for you to do and no one to talk to. What do you think about?

    Why am I alone in an empty room? I would probably think about a way to get out of the room because I can do introspective musings better if some outside sources (like the internet) helped guide me.

    • How long do you take to make an important decision? And do you change your mind once you've made it?

    A recent example would be finding an out-of-state college. It took hours and hours to figure what schools I wanted. I felt content with the three schools I narrowed it down to, but then those fell through.


    • How long do you take to process your emotions? How important are emotions in your life?

    I choose to repress them. I can't confide to my friends (there's a few reasons for that), and I refuse to confide to my family. Still, I recognize them quickly. Once my last high school tennis match ended that happened like a week ago, I acted sort of cold but mainly okay. I managed to keep my emotions in check until I came home and cried for thirty minutes alone. Also, I love character-driven stories, so I usually absorb their (usually negative) feelings pretty easily (without expressing it, of course).

    • Do you ever catch yourself agreeing with others just to appease them and keep the conversation going? How often? Why?

    If I consider the disagreement minor, then yeah. I'll agree if there's no real consequences to it. I hold my ground more with my friends, (like 2) though, since a little conflict might be productive in a friendship. It goes back to the net worth concept I mentioned earlier.

    • Do you break rules often? Do you think authority should be challenged, or that they know better? If you do break rules, why?

    No, the consequences of breaking specific rules would place too much of a burden on my mother. I refuse to for now. Authority is such a varied concept to the point where my answer could not cover even the generalities of this question.

    In tests, I always get Ni as my strongest function, but I decided to do this because I think any introverted dominant function is possible.
    Last edited by Phos; 05-13-2019 at 07:42 PM.
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    Sounds Like INFP with a Fi-Te Axis and tertiary Si, otherwise you are a INFJ. But Deffinitely you are a NF, The question here is, do you are a Beta INF or a Delta INF?
    Delta NF:
    Pros
    Delta types love to share personal experience mixed with their own sentiments regarding their experiences, but all in an insightful and non-dramatic manner.
    Delta types like to talk about new beginnings, opportunities for personal growth, and their plans and prospects for the future.
    Cons
    Delta types do not fare well in high-pressure situations where they are being forced to do things, are facing threatening opponents, or are submitted to rigorous discipline, but wear out quickly and look for a more peaceful and welcoming environment.

    Beta NF:
    Pros:
    Beta types tend to enjoy group activities where the whole group participates in generating a common emotional atmosphere, as in laughing at jokes, etc.
    Beta types tend to feel energized in the presence of people who share their beliefs and express them with obvious enthusiasm and emotion.
    Beta types tend to give more value to feelings when they are demonstrated with clear emotional expression, and tend to increase the level of their own emotional expression in order to get a reaction from other people.
    Beta types tend to describe personal views of special meaning with "poetic" or "dramatic" expressions and language.
    Beta types are often deeply concerned about social issues and the direction the world is heading. They believe that apathy is a significant cause of societal problems, and work to fight against it.

    Cons:
    Beta types tend to look down on nuts-and-bolts, detailed work as a source of success, preferring to focus on "vision" and leadership.
    Beta types don't so much enjoy relaxed personal activities as they do competitive group activities.

    Which is your biggest Fear? What do you end up complaining most often about your Life? By the way, I love Houseki No Kuni

    The difference here bettwen Beta NF (Ni+Fe) and Delta NF (Fi+Ne) its than beta love big groups, Influencing on people moods and Herarchy, Aristocracy, whereas Delta NF want self progress, Surpass their own weakness and grow as an Free spirited Person becoming the Author of their Own Original History, Delta group of friends is composed by Differents people with many differences while promoving liberty of expression and encouragement to fulfill their own values and Possitivism and "Can Do" actitude , Beta NF strive for Like-Minded Individuals. Delta NF Its not concerned with leadership, Being his Leadership more democratic, Beta NF strive for leadership roles and impose their views on others, a Big Group of Like minded individuals acting as one entity is their leadership style, think about a Honey Bee Panel "you are with us or againts us Motto" while forecasting for negative consequence and preparing themselves for the worst case scenario.
    Last edited by Some dude name; 05-13-2019 at 06:36 PM.

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    Sounds Like INFP with a Fi-Te Axis and tertiary Si, otherwise you are a ENFP. But Deffinitely you are from Delta Quadra, A Delta NF*
    pay attention to Ne Blocked with Fi description, thats and Subdueb Functions Se Blocked With Ti, Thats the important.
    I expected INFP the most, at least with my limited knowledge with functions. I put feelings and past experiences pretty central to my post, so I expected Fi or Si. The Ne blocked with Fi and Se Blocked with Ti part looks, and I think this is correct with or without confirmation bias on my part, like it aligns with some statements I typed up.

    Which is your biggest Fear? What do you end up complaining most often about your Life? By the way, I love Houseki No Kuni
    For a more personal fear, I fear my own stupidity. I read and appreciate stories and analytical pieces and realize how inferior I am as a writer. It makes me become self-critical of myself, and the criticism further compounds when I know those people could criticize my psyche/intelligence better than I can. Even if I focus on emotions, I want the expertise to convey those emotions in the best way I can.

    Also, for something more external, I would say driving. I need to stay high alert when I drive (and when my dad drives because he consistently goes 85 on the interstate) because so many things can go wrong that can cause a deadly result. I constantly shift from one to another and I know that if I mess up in one aspect, something will go wrong. Then, I would also need to account for drivers who increase the chance of injury through their recklessness. I never feel relaxed driving.

    I complain about my education a lot. Generally, I complain when my growth gets stunted. This happened mainly in my English classes for a multitude of reasons that I don't think is necessary to explain. I understand that I need to take responsibility for my actions (which is why I withhold from vocally expressing this complaint because I dislike blaming outside sources), but I know for a fact that I can improve quicker if I received some proper 1-on-1 instruction. This happened in tennis, too. I like my former high school coach, but it annoys me to know that I needed to practice and look at instructional videos for hours to improve my serve which was still one of the worst of the region once the season ended. To see players from other teams progress faster than me due to better instruction hurts.

    Glad to see another fan! I watched and read the manga like a month ago, but this story holds so much staying power to the point where I think it'll stay in my Top 5 for a while. I love how the author uses its world building to strip down most external elements of our world to further highlight the inner core of people without hurting the viewer's relatability.

    The difference here bettwen Beta NF (Ni+Fe) and Delta NF (Fi+Ne) its than beta love big groups, Influencing on people moods and Herarchy, Aristocracy, whereas Delta NF want self progress, Surpass their own weakness and grow as an Free spirited Person becoming the Author of their Own Original History, Delta group of friends is composed by Differents people with many differents values, Beta NF strive for Like-Minded Individuals. Delta NF Its not concerned with leadership, Being his Leadership more democratic, Beta NF strive for leadership roles and impose their views on others, a Big Group of Like minded individuals acting as one entity is their leadership style, think about a Honey Bee Panel "you are with us or againts us Motto"
    I'm not sure what defines a big group (which is probably due to my ignorance in socionomics), but the first idea that pops up is a dictator which I know oversimplifies a "big group". I find myself more willing to agree with the Delta NF values, but I think I need some more introspection to really figure out if I want to impose my values onto others. I mean, if I utilize my skills, I think that should be a by-product of my craft. I suppose it's not a priority, though.

    Thank you for posting! You present a good argument to the point where INFP is the most likely option.

    EDIT: I see that you edited this as I typed so the quotes are a bit off

    Delta types love to share personal experience mixed with their own sentiments regarding their experiences, but all in an insightful and non-dramatic manner.
    Delta types like to talk about new beginnings, opportunities for personal growth, and their plans and prospects for the future.
    Cons
    Delta types do not fare well in high-pressure situations where they are being forced to do things, are facing threatening opponents, or are submitted to rigorous discipline, but wear out quickly and look for a more peaceful and welcoming environment.
    I agree with all these at the very least.

    Beta types tend to enjoy group activities where the whole group participates in generating a common emotional atmosphere, as in laughing at jokes, etc.
    Beta types tend to give more value to feelings when they are demonstrated with clear emotional expression, and tend to increase the level of their own emotional expression in order to get a reaction from other people.
    Disagree with these.

    Beta types tend to feel energized in the presence of people who share their beliefs and express them with obvious enthusiasm and emotion.
    I think this is the only one for Beta that I agree upon, however, this will not shake my judgement because I doubt there's no way I can agree on everything.

    Beta types tend to describe personal views of special meaning with "poetic" or "dramatic" expressions and language.
    I find this a little vague, but I would not use this language casually at the very least. That applies to language, if anything.
    Beta types are often deeply concerned about social issues and the direction the world is heading. They believe that apathy is a significant cause of societal problems, and work to fight against it.
    Nah, I am that selfish, apathetic person.
    Last edited by Phos; 05-13-2019 at 07:36 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phos View Post
    A subreddit uses this questionnaire for typing, and I decided to post there. However, the responses lacked anything that left me satisfied. It would be better if I added a little more onto this one rather than making a new one.
    Sounds good.

    • How old are you? What's your gender? Give us a general description of yourself.

    18. Male. I dislike describing myself due to the possibility that I may delude some of my traits.
    That's an interesting thought, there's probably already a connection there with your type.

    • Is there a medical diagnosis that may impact your mental stability somehow?

    I never received a mental diagnosis. I would like one though because I struggle in evaluating my own mental health.
    This could already point towards possible Fe, since Fe-users often have trouble gauging their own mental state.

    • Describe your upbringing. Did it have any kind of religious or structured influence? How did you respond to it?

    My parents separated when I was 10. A year later they came back together until a divorce at 12. I live with my mom. My mother was in a very poor place of mind about four years ago to the point where it threatened her life. This is important because, even though she moved past this, I try to please her in every I can out of fear for of another episode. This desire gets in the way of any self-improvement for me. I dare to not stand up against her. This stunts any development for myself because I fear any risk I take negatively affects her. I become her model son even though our values differ from each other. She likes the more traditional values in life.
    This is very classic Fe. Letting things happen because of what others find important and having trouble setting boundaries with loves ones.

    I attend a Lutheran church. I go to service almost every week since I was 10. I'm profane due a lack of feeling towards a god. It is not due to sort of disillusion from outside sources. Our church focuses more on broad values more than studying exegeses, luckily. I fake my spirituality to please my mom (who would be harsh to me even though she doesn't attend services) and my family on my mother's side. My grandpa, great grandparents, uncles, aunts, and some cousins all attend. Our family goes by routine. We eat lunch together every Sunday. A few of us eat breakfast together every Saturday. That makes deviating from my family all the more difficult.

    This monotony sickens me. I never understand how people like it. Yet, I feel guilty for disliking a stable domestic life since I receive such generosity and live in conditions that most people would envy. I tolerate this inner conflict knowing I go to college next year. It will be an hour away (but I truly wanted to go out of state), so I still will be trapped in some of these obligations.

    My relationship with my dad and his side of the family is estranged. I visit like once every two or three months. He's fine now, but the reasons for the divorce makes his amends slow.
    I see Fe, more Fe and some more Fe.
    Disliking this monotony makes it less likely that Si is one of your higher functions.

    • If you had to spend an entire weekend by yourself, how would you feel? Would you feel lonely or refreshed?

    I would love it. I live with my two sisters and my mother. My grandparents live down the street. Separating my life from theirs is impossible. It just sucks. We work as a collective, so any deviation from the norm will be scrutinized. Freedom like that would be utilized with joy.
    This question is supposed to differentiate introversion and extraversion but here I can see it as a possible N/S determiner. I'm not ready to put a label on this one though.

    • What kinds of activities do you prefer? Do you like, and are you good at sports? Do you enjoy any other outdoor or indoor activities?

    I read. I like writing, but I never really express myself through writing because any shared personal conflict will burden my family, so I'm waiting to move out until I make an earnest attempt with my works.

    I appreciate sports. I played soccer and tennis in high school. I wanted to quit soccer (because I started to feel dispassionate about for a few years) during my senior year, but I felt guilty bailing my friends, so I stuck with it. I regret playing tennis, too. I loved it freshmen year. It was an opportunity of self-growth, new connections, and expressing whole-hearted devotion without judgement. I failed to grow. My connections were superficial. I lost so many times to the point where I accepted that I just wasted many, many hours of my life.

    My family loves watching sports, so I learned all the rules to all the major sports. It's a medium that allows me to talk to family, if anything.
    I see some more Fe here of course.
    Your approach towards sports looks more like Si than Se (focus on learning the rules). Ni could in theory also work like that though.

    • How curious are you? Do you have more ideas then you can execute? What are your curiosities about? What are your ideas about - is it environmental or conceptual, and can you please elaborate?

    I have no idea how I compare to others as far as curiosity goes. I mean, being unconcerned with the life around you would be considered a negative trait, so I think most people would want to believe themselves as curious.

    I suppose that I indulge in some my favorite shows with more curiosity than others. I started watching anime analysis videos two years ago which improved my critical thinking skills. Analyses really improves my enjoyment of a show while at the same time gives me ideas on how I can execute my writing.

    People also interest me. I sit in the middle of classes so I can switch between observing and interacting whenever I please. I suppose my curiosity for the human condition further strengthens my enjoyment for writing.
    I dislike the environment, but I understand its importance. Perfectly understanding a setting for novel must be a requirement for me because if I understand something inside and out then I would know all of options to include into a story. Knowing my options allows me to pick the best option.

    To give an example, I wrote a descriptive essay a few months ago. It involved a huge conch. I care about conchs about as much you do, but I knew that writing something so underused would help me understand how to research physical details. Plus, the essay mainly focused on that conch because everything basically revolved around it, including the symbolic and thematic elements In the end, I learned some terms that may become useful later on, so learning about the physical environment helps me enhance my conceptual ideas.
    This actually fits very well with Ni.
    I'm already ready to guess that you're probably ENFJ. The Fe is everywhere (classic martyr syndrome) and your Ni seems very present too. This interest in people is classic NF, learning because of interest in conceptual ideas and working towards a bigger whole.
    Definitely Ni over Si and Ne, Fe seems in the lead. Fe is also much more developed than Ni.
    So I'm gonna keep digging but ENFJ is very likely to be the conclusion of all this.

    • Would you enjoy taking on a leadership position? Do you think you would be good at it? What would your leadership style be?

    No. For some reason, I struggle in explaining why. Perhaps it's a knee jerk reaction related to some unknown, deep-rooted self-esteem issues. I know I lead better if the thing that needs leadership allows more planning (e.g. planning a collaborative essay). Leadership that requires in-the-moment decisions (e.g. leading a soccer team) overwhelms me. I like leadership that involves a lot of communication because it degrades my position of power. I want to come to a point where everybody will feel satisfied with the plan.
    This: "I want to come to a point where everybody will feel satisfied with the plan." is a very Fe thing to say again. A lot of ENFJs hesitate to take the lead, but often do find themselves in a coaching position in the end. It's not mandated of course, but it's often a natural fit for them.
    The need for power is more of a Te thing, which is foreign to ENFJs, so that fits really well too.

    • Are you coordinated? Why do you feel as if you are or are not? Do you enjoy working with your hands in some form? Describe your activity?

    It varies. For some reason, my coordination in four-square and some video games works well. Yet, I whiff my tennis serves at times (and I literally only see myself doing this in my area), trip up staircases easily, and, just recently, cut my lip while sealing an envelope. There's more, but I think you get the point.
    This can fit well with tertiary Se. ENFJs have it and are better at balancing it than INFJs, but are generally still not that naturally gifted. It'll develop more in the next few years I'd expect.

    • Are you artistic? If yes, describe your art? If you are not particular artistic but can appreciate art please likewise describe what forums of art you enjoy. Please explain your answer.

    Like I said, I like writing, but I don't write. In novels, I like contemporary coming-of-age (probably because I yearn for that journey that these novels provide), but in anime I like fantasy. Character-driven fantasy in anime is a real treat, so I probably should try to see if any novels cater to me.
    Writing is a typical intuitive activity (at least, fiction is). A lot of what you have described in this regard also fits more with Ni than Ne, because you seem to be writing towards a cohesive whole rather than separate ideas.

    • How important is efficiency and productivity to you?

    Also situational, but I'll bite. I think everything holds purpose. Whether that be playing tennis during high school or publishing my first book. I need to reflect onto my values to see which action would be the most beneficial to me. I examine my values and determine their net worth. While I can't quantify that, I try my best internally. For example, I would not turn in homework if it prevented the possibility of an impending burnout which would hurt me in the long term. I make the wrong decisions a lot, but I try to find the silver lining.
    This kind of thing is generally a big thing for ENFJs. They can easily burn themselves out trying to help everyone. Setting boundaries to protect yourself is a great skill that doesn't always come naturally.

    • Do you control others, even if indirectly? How and why do you do that?

    I control how people perceive me. I attempt to give off more of a reactive, impersonal persona rather than the opposite of that. I add hints of personality every now and then, but that is merely a means to blend into my environment easier.
    ENFJs are masters at subtly steering others. It differs a lot how they use it. Overall, this fits ENFJ more than any other type.

    I had to cut the rest of my reply short because I have an appointment. I could do more here, but you're so much an ENFJ that I don't expect to find anything new here.
    Let me know if you want me to analyze the rest of your post, I'm sure there's some fun things in there. However, don't expect me to come to any other conclusion than ENFJ. It's really, really obvious from all of it.

    So that's my verdict and I hope it helps you.
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    Thank you for the reply. This certainly makes me reexamine my type after my rather rash decision as an INFP. The INFP and ENFJ share no similar functions, but they share the same stack order (Fx-Nx-Sx-Tx)(pardon my ignorance if there's some special term there), so I might be able to hold a discussion on which I side with for now. It looks like I need to look at each function and ask myself which ones I see more of.

    At least as a gut reaction, I feel more inclined to the INFP. I say this to notify you that this response may be perceived as a little biased. However I will be looking at your response with moreso questions rather flat-out dismissing them to try to eliminate bias.

    Actually, before I start this, why do you place Fe over Ni? I don't disagree, but I think that a little confirmation will put me at ease if I need to argue for INFP and ENFJ. Do my traits exclusively apply to the ENFJ, or can an INFJ exhibit these traits, too? The fourth function might help answer this.


    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    Sounds good.



    That's an interesting thought, there's probably already a connection there with your type.



    This could already point towards possible Fe, since Fe-users often have trouble gauging their own mental state.

    Well, to be fair, I may have high-functioning depression. I could identify myself as depressed, but an official mental diagnosis would certainly make me more confident about saying that. Also, I do recognize my emotions pretty quickly as mentioned later on in the post. That statement may not directly relate to the point you tried to convey, but I included it just in case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    This is very classic Fe. Letting things happen because of what others find important and having trouble setting boundaries with loves ones.
    Now this what confuses me about the Fe and Fi functions. If I care about a small, specific set of people, wouldn't attempting to please them be more of an Fi thing? If my goal is to satisfy my mother's wishes because I care about her, I think that would be more of a selfish, Fi wish rather than selfless Fe trait? Or is it not?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    I see Fe, more Fe and some more Fe.
    Disliking this monotony makes it less likely that Si is one of your higher functions.
    This, too, I could understand if somebody interpreted this as Fi. I do not want to be ostracized from my family. I do not want unnecessary attention to myself. While what I do might be perceived as martyr-like selflessness could also be perceived as selfish.

    While I do dislike monotony, please keep in mind that I feel more disgusted with it due to my living condition and it may skew the questionaire.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    I see some more Fe here of course.
    Your approach towards sports looks more like Si than Se (focus on learning the rules). Ni could in theory also work like that though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    This question is supposed to differentiate introversion and extraversion but here I can see it as a possible N/S determiner. I'm not ready to put a label on this one though.
    Another big thing is that I feel drained with people. While this factor is not the main reason I doubted the judgement ENFJ, I certainly find it harder to believe when feel more in-tune with introversion.


    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    This actually fits very well with Ni.
    I'm already ready to guess that you're probably ENFJ. The Fe is everywhere (classic martyr syndrome) and your Ni seems very present too. This interest in people is classic NF, learning because of interest in conceptual ideas and working towards a bigger whole.
    Definitely Ni over Si and Ne, Fe seems in the lead. Fe is also much more developed than Ni.
    So I'm gonna keep digging but ENFJ is very likely to be the conclusion of all this.
    Perhaps mentioning up my upbringing also skewed the Fe a bit much if I do show. I did start this questionnaire by stating my importance of family because that is where my main actions center from.


    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    This: "I want to come to a point where everybody will feel satisfied with the plan." is a very Fe thing to say again. A lot of ENFJs hesitate to take the lead, but often do find themselves in a coaching position in the end. It's not mandated of course, but it's often a natural fit for them.
    The need for power is more of a Te thing, which is foreign to ENFJs, so that fits really well too.
    Wait a minute I might need some follow-up on why I choose that method because that does look very Fe. I want everybody to be in agreement because going on a power trip could inconvenience to me. I want act selfless because having someone hate me by being authoritarian in a group project will just negative consequences in the long term. Leading leaves an impression upon others, and leaving a bad one would be undesired. It comes right back to being selfish.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    This can fit well with tertiary Se. ENFJs have it and are better at balancing it than INFJs, but are generally still not that naturally gifted. It'll develop more in the next few years I'd expect.
    While my Fe vs Fi argument might be poorly constructed, I struggle to see why I contain tertiary Se over Si. You referenced Si a good amount of times but never disputed it being possible. Some dude name made a pretty good point that I sprinkled a good amount of anecdotes to convey points which, at least from what I understand, suggests Si. While I will not deny Se being possible, I struggle in seeing the argument as to why you chose Se over Si.

    EDIT: Had brain lapse here. Forgot that the first 2 functions determine the third.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    Writing is a typical intuitive activity (at least, fiction is). A lot of what you have described in this regard also fits more with Ni than Ne, because you seem to be writing towards a cohesive whole rather than separate ideas.
    Yeah, this is the biggest doubt about being INFP. It seems like I hold more Ni than Ne, but that just makes me all the more confused. This is also the reason why I have not completely eliminated being INFJ as an option. I may need more certification for Ne if I choose INFP

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    This kind of thing is generally a big thing for ENFJs. They can easily burn themselves out trying to help everyone. Setting boundaries to protect yourself is a great skill that doesn't always come naturally.
    I may be misinterpreting this, but when I wrote about burnout, I moreso on homework

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    ENFJs are masters at subtly steering others. It differs a lot how they use it. Overall, this fits ENFJ more than any other type.
    I thought this was pretty crucial for INFJ's. Is that just for Fe users in general?

    Quote Originally Posted by Drecon View Post
    I had to cut the rest of my reply short because I have an appointment. I could do more here, but you're so much an ENFJ that I don't expect to find anything new here.
    Let me know if you want me to analyze the rest of your post, I'm sure there's some fun things in there. However, don't expect me to come to any other conclusion than ENFJ. It's really, really obvious from all of it.

    So that's my verdict and I hope it helps you.
    No, that's completely fine! You probably spent a lot of time on that, so to complain would be unappreciative. If you still think I am an ENFJ, that might be good. That stubbornness actually holds cohesion to these threads, and the more we go over specific types, the more likely we'll be able to make a definitive conclusion.

    EDIT: The more I think about this, the more I get swayed to xNFJ. I, at least, feel like my initial judgement weakened a bit. I feel the longer I ponder about this, the more I feel like I'm going down a rabbit hole.
    Last edited by Phos; 05-14-2019 at 04:40 PM.

  7. #6
    ISFJ

    From the original post, I was thinking INFJ....

  8. #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeri View Post
    From the original post, I was thinking INFJ....
    I reopened that option. I went a little too hasty and ardent with believing that I was Fi-dom because idk if I possess Ne.

  9. #8

    Quote Originally Posted by Phos View Post
    Thank you for the reply. This certainly makes me reexamine my type after my rather rash decision as an INFP. The INFP and ENFJ share no similar functions, but they share the same stack order (Fx-Nx-Sx-Tx)(pardon my ignorance if there's some special term there), so I might be able to hold a discussion on which I side with for now. It looks like I need to look at each function and ask myself which ones I see more of.
    Your terminology is great and it this seems like a great way to do this.

    At least as a gut reaction, I feel more inclined to the INFP. I say this to notify you that this response may be perceived as a little biased. However I will be looking at your response with moreso questions rather flat-out dismissing them to try to eliminate bias.

    Actually, before I start this, why do you place Fe over Ni? I don't disagree, but I think that a little confirmation will put me at ease if I need to argue for INFP and ENFJ. Do my traits exclusively apply to the ENFJ, or can an INFJ exhibit these traits, too? The fourth function might help answer this.
    Well, I'm always open to being wrong about things. It's a great opportunity to learn.

    Also, bias isn't bad. If you feel that a certain type fits you better than what people are suggesting, it's not strange to think that you know yourself better than a stranger off the internet.

    The reason I chose Fe over Ni is that Fe seems to be much more present in all your responses. You seem very focused on other people, over your own ideas, at least that's how your post comes off to me.

    It's honestly mostly a gut feeling thing too. I get an idea in my head and filter through everything I read to see what fits that idea and what doesn't. It's really hard for me to reconstruct my thought process for these things to be honest.

    Well, to be fair, I may have high-functioning depression. I could identify myself as depressed, but an official mental diagnosis would certainly make me more confident about saying that. Also, I do recognize my emotions pretty quickly as mentioned later on in the post. That statement may not directly relate to the point you tried to convey, but I included it just in case.
    That sort of thing can really skew your results. A depressed ENFJ might not feel like the ENFJ descriptions fit them, since they're usually described as upbeat leaders that love to interact with many people at once.
    If you're an ENFJ, that sort of thing could explain why you don't recognise the type for yourself.

    On the other hand, depression can also do something for how other types present themselves, so it's not like this sort of thing makes ESFJ more likely, it could just be an explanation if you'd turn out to be one.

    Now this what confuses me about the Fe and Fi functions. If I care about a small, specific set of people, wouldn't attempting to please them be more of an Fi thing? If my goal is to satisfy my mother's wishes because I care about her, I think that would be more of a selfish, Fi wish rather than selfless Fe trait? Or is it not?
    It's true that if your personal values lead you to want to care for your mother, that could be Fi. It's not about the end result, but about the process that gets you there and it can sometimes be hard to tell those apart. Fe vs Fi isn't about for how many people you care (there are Fe-dominants that only care about their immediate family and would happily sacrifice anyone else). It's about how your values change or don't change when you interact with others and how you handle what's important to yourself vs. what's important to others.

    I have seen Fi-dominants that care so much about caring for others that they behave in stereotypical Fe-ways. That's why I try to read between the lines for this kind of thing. It's easy to mess something like that up though, so I could easily be wrong.

    In your post you describe things like "absorbing emotions from others" and having a good idea of how people percieve you. Those kinds of things I would generally link to Fe.

    That said, on rereading I'm also seeing things like how you mostly cater to your mother "out of fear for another episode". That's actually something that could easily cause an Fi-dominant to start exhibiting Fe-like behaviour.

    This, too, I could understand if somebody interpreted this as Fi. I do not want to be ostracized from my family. I do not want unnecessary attention to myself. While what I do might be perceived as martyr-like selflessness could also be perceived as selfish.
    On the other, other hand, an Fe-dominant stuck with a controlling family member might also be guilt-tripped into viewing this kind of thing as selfish, even when it's maybe not... It's really hard to try and separate these kinds of things when situations get more complex.
    That said, I can definitely see a way that you could see these things as Fi. It didn't come off like that in your original post, but that's why we can have a conversation like this. Language is really not good enough to work through all of these things.

    While I do dislike monotony, please keep in mind that I feel more disgusted with it due to my living condition and it may skew the questionaire.

    Another big thing is that I feel drained with people. While this factor is not the main reason I doubted the judgement ENFJ, I certainly find it harder to believe when feel more in-tune with introversion.
    All this could again be explained by depression but I do agree that in general, getting drained by interacting with people tends to be an introvert thing. This makes an introverted type a lot more likely for you.

    Perhaps mentioning up my upbringing also skewed the Fe a bit much if I do show. I did start this questionnaire by stating my importance of family because that is where my main actions center from.
    An Fi-dominant with importance of family as one of their core values would definitely do that.

    Wait a minute I might need some follow-up on why I choose that method because that does look very Fe. I want everybody to be in agreement because going on a power trip could inconvenience to me. I want act selfless because having someone hate me by being authoritarian in a group project will just negative consequences in the long term. Leading leaves an impression upon others, and leaving a bad one would be undesired. It comes right back to being selfish.
    We have very different interpretations of the word selfish. That said... this could... maybe... fit with Fi I guess? The thing is that the whole way you construct this argument seems very Fe to me. Focusing so completely on how your actions would impact others and putting boundaries on yourself but never on others... that's classic ExFJ thinking. It's not healthy Fe-dominant functioning, but it fits very well with how an ENFJ could view these sorts of things.

    Then again, I could be reading too much into all this. Fi-dominants tend to have a fear of coming off in the wrong way to people because they have a very bad grasp of their own social standing. This could all be related to that. They way you write doesn't look that way, but that could even be learned behaviour. If you interact a lot with heavy Fe-users, that could easily rub off on how you communicate.

    While my Fe vs Fi argument might be poorly constructed, I struggle to see why I contain tertiary Se over Si. You referenced Si a good amount of times but never disputed it being possible. Some dude name made a pretty good point that I sprinkled a good amount of anecdotes to convey points which, at least from what I understand, suggests Si. While I will not deny Se being possible, I struggle in seeing the argument as to why you chose Se over Si.

    EDIT: Had brain lapse here. Forgot that the first 2 functions determine the third.
    Well... you do use anecdotes a lot, but you're not really putting down a detailed factual story. You skip over details and focus more on the generalities and how it made you feel rather than the specifics of the case.
    I agree that there's not a lot of Se in your post but the part that I was talking about there could in theory be Se.

    I'm not ruling out Si, but Se seems more likely from the way you talk about specific things.

    I may be misinterpreting this, but when I wrote about burnout, I moreso on homework
    You're right of course. I think I might have read too much into that specific one.

    I thought this was pretty crucial for INFJ's. Is that just for Fe users in general?
    All FJ types in any case. It's true that IxFJs tend to be more subtle in that regard than ExFJs, but most of that is also just a learned skill. ExFJs are a bit different in that they also tend to influence others when they're not even trying (or aware that they're doing it in a lot of cases).

    No, that's completely fine! You probably spent a lot of time on that, so to complain would be unappreciative. If you still think I am an ENFJ, that might be good. That stubbornness actually holds cohesion to these threads, and the more we go over specific types, the more likely we'll be able to make a definitive conclusion.

    EDIT: The more I think about this, the more I get swayed to xNFJ. I, at least, feel like my initial judgement weakened a bit. I feel the longer I ponder about this, the more I feel like I'm going down a rabbit hole.
    It's very much possible that due to your home situation you're not able to actually exhibit most of your actual personality. Between a controlling family, depression and a strong need to be there for the people you care about, I can easily see an xNFJ convincing themselves that they're an INFP.

    I'm always open to being wrong about things and there's a lot of room for interpretation in a lot of your answers. If I end up being wrong I'll be happy for having learned some things ;)

    I'm still leaning heavily towards xNFJ for you. ENFJ seems fitting, but getting drained by interacting with people seems like a very telling introvert trait. I could easily see an INFJ in your situation focusing so heavily on their Fe that their natural preference for Ni gets obscured a bit in how they talk about themselves.

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    Its impossible for him be a ENFJ or INFJ or any Type from beta quadra since he is from Delta NF Quadra, He is a ENFP, He struggle with Ne-SiAxis and disagree with most core beta values (ENFJ,INFJ,ISTP,ESTP) he agree with Delta Values (ENFP,INFP,ESTJ,ISTJ) its not about the function or how function descriptions are described on google pages, Every Function can appears introverted or Extraverted, Fi can worry about others and adapt to the situation, Fe can be introvert and cry Inside, Fe can be selfish. Te can be analytics just as Ti, The only difference here is Your Life Mission, What Do You Need? that is, everyone has every function at the end, the only thing than can indicate your type are your Middle Functions. Why? because you CAN'T SEE your Inferior And Dom Function, u only can see the middle (AUX and Tert) everyone can do everything, ur human needs indicate your functions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phos View Post
    I expected INFP the most, at least with my limited knowledge with functions. I put feelings and past experiences pretty central to my post, so I expected Fi or Si. The Ne blocked with Fi and Se Blocked with Ti part looks, and I think this is correct with or without confirmation bias on my part, like it aligns with some statements I typed up.


    For a more personal fear, I fear my own stupidity. I read and appreciate stories and analytical pieces and realize how inferior I am as a writer. It makes me become self-critical of myself, and the criticism further compounds when I know those people could criticize my psyche/intelligence better than I can. Even if I focus on emotions, I want the expertise to convey those emotions in the best way I can.

    Also, for something more external, I would say driving. I need to stay high alert when I drive (and when my dad drives because he consistently goes 85 on the interstate) because so many things can go wrong that can cause a deadly result. I constantly shift from one to another and I know that if I mess up in one aspect, something will go wrong. Then, I would also need to account for drivers who increase the chance of injury through their recklessness. I never feel relaxed driving.

    I complain about my education a lot. Generally, I complain when my growth gets stunted. This happened mainly in my English classes for a multitude of reasons that I don't think is necessary to explain. I understand that I need to take responsibility for my actions (which is why I withhold from vocally expressing this complaint because I dislike blaming outside sources), but I know for a fact that I can improve quicker if I received some proper 1-on-1 instruction. This happened in tennis, too. I like my former high school coach, but it annoys me to know that I needed to practice and look at instructional videos for hours to improve my serve which was still one of the worst of the region once the season ended. To see players from other teams progress faster than me due to better instruction hurts.

    Glad to see another fan! I watched and read the manga like a month ago, but this story holds so much staying power to the point where I think it'll stay in my Top 5 for a while. I love how the author uses its world building to strip down most external elements of our world to further highlight the inner core of people without hurting the viewer's relatability.



    I'm not sure what defines a big group (which is probably due to my ignorance in socionomics), but the first idea that pops up is a dictator which I know oversimplifies a "big group". I find myself more willing to agree with the Delta NF values, but I think I need some more introspection to really figure out if I want to impose my values onto others. I mean, if I utilize my skills, I think that should be a by-product of my craft. I suppose it's not a priority, though.

    Thank you for posting! You present a good argument to the point where INFP is the most likely option.

    EDIT: I see that you edited this as I typed so the quotes are a bit off



    I agree with all these at the very least.



    Disagree with these.



    I think this is the only one for Beta that I agree upon, however, this will not shake my judgement because I doubt there's no way I can agree on everything.


    I find this a little vague, but I would not use this language casually at the very least. That applies to language, if anything.

    Nah, I am that selfish, apathetic person.
    Single Observer = Fear
    Single Decider = Pain

    Single Deciders = Dom Fe,Te,Fi,Fe - ENFJ,ESFJ, INTP, ISTP, ESTJ,ENTJ, INFP, ISFP

    Singe Observers = Dom Ni,Ne,Se,Si - ISTJ, INTJ, ENFP, ESFP, ENTP, ESTP, ISFJ, INFJ

    According to your biggest fear answer, You are a Single observer
    Pain = The feeling when your identity is invalidated. Rejection, shame, not feeling good enough, not feeling worthy
    .Fear = When you perieve a threat, but are uncertain of what it is, where it is,or why it is. Anxiety, stress, confusion, terror.

    single observer can be fearful of identity/tribe issues. Because one of their observer functions is so weak, they can have a hard time 'observing' the information needed to decide whether they really are experiencing tribe issues. Whether the tribe problems are actually real or just imagined. Single observers are "blind in one eye" I guess you could say. And so become afraid of that missing information.



    single deciders, by contrast, are not unsure about their tribe related issues. They are not 'blind in one eye', and so can observe all of the information they need to make an accurate assessment of their tribe/identity problems. There is no fear of missing information and uncertainty. Single deciders know about their tribe/identity issues. But they WILL have a hard time figuring out why these problems even exist in the first place. And so they feel straight pain of rejection.

    Single deciders: why does everyone hate me? Why am I not good enough? Why am I not respected? = ENFJ

    Single observers: what's going on? Did I miss something? Can you tell me EXACTLY what they said? = ENFP

    You are a ENFP, why?
    You are from Delta quadra, You are a Feeler, You are a Delta NF, Your lead Function and Inferior Function are Observers (Single Observer). A INFP biggest fear would be Being rejected by society, not fitting in, Feeling worthless or in other words if you had watched Tokyo Ghoul or Neon Genesis Evangelion, well Kaneki and Shinji both are Iconics INFP struggling with Single Decider Pain. Or If you Watch Game Of Thrones Jon Snow is an ISFP and he also strugled with Single Decider Pain, Whereas an ENFP would take people opinion abouth himself with a grain of salt and then will move on into complain about Education, Nasa being Fake, Government controling the society and privating him from his liberty, Long Detailed text, The man Crushing their Dreams.

    ENFP Fear (eren Jaeger from AoT) =
    INFP Fear (Shinji Ikari From NGE)
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