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    Weirdo coming through, categorise it!

    Kablooey. Welcome to my "Type me, please" thread! Maybe I'll regret posting this. Well, bombs away!


    1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?
    I'll talk about this after the questions. I think it's better to let whatever impressions you may have reading through go freely, without being influenced by what I think of myself.

    If you think it's better to see my response to this first though, nothing's stopping you from scrolling down.


    2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?
    As of now, understanding myself. One of the things personality typology made me realise is how I don't know myself well. I'm now drawn to digging around and exploring/inhabiting/recording this terrain.

    Something meaningful that I'll enjoy. Life has necessary tasks, I mostly try to look at those positively. Meanwhile I want to find something that I'll like doing; maybe it's an interest, passion, a self-studied area of competence, or something else.

    Further away, fulfilment? I am quite empty and listless about life. Health, positive feelings, purpose and meaning are all things I faintly desire, things that are associated with and arise with this. Boiling right down to it, past all that, would be a sense of fulfilment; that things I do, the way I'm living life is fulfilling.

    This is much more hidden, shaded, buried and not intense than what I imagine a yearning would be. Maybe it isn't a yearning, but it's what I've got on my mind now against the general, more easily-accessible opinion of "I don't yearn for much, or anything at all".


    3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.
    I haven't been living for very long, so I may suffer from some lack of experiences to choose from on my part.

    These "time"s are more general.

    All the way back when I was in primary school. I had some good friends, was pretty much free from problems, and getting validated for doing well in something I liked. (Yeh, ego fancies :/) Look from a different perspective, I was participating in life and doing well.

    Another time was when I was involved in a multiplayer video game. I think it's mostly because it was a favourable alter ego. I...
    1) Displayed and had characteristics I didn't have in real life (e.g. friendliness, a degree of outgoingness and confidence);
    2) Had a belt of experience, held a position of 'guild' leader and was decently known in a community;
    3) Could freely make choices I wanted in the aforementioned 'guild' that made an impact. I envisioned a better way to manage things and so created my own to work towards that.

    A life away from reality and a favourable other realm/personality/perceived self-status.


    4) What makes you feel inferior?
    Self-fulfilling prophecies of inferiority (inferiority complex maybe) come to mind. But saying I feel inferior because I feel inferior and want to continue feeling inferior is not a good reason.

    Here's some I can think of now.
    • In accomplishments/status in society's standards, skills, capability and manner of approaching life.
    • When what I had expected or sincerely hoped for after I had put my heart into working on something (not completely, but to some degree) for a while did not match up to reality.
    • When everyone else is doing fine in something and I am one of the few/the only one who is not.

    Something like that. Well. Next question!


    5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)
    I originally thought "how I feel about it". But the more I think about it, the more I realise other people weigh in on them. But it's more of a sense of how I feel about other people. Eh, both of them I guess. Past experiences matter too, don't forget them.

    • How I feel about it
    They are feeling-impressions rather than emotions. Past all the doubtful deliberating, it's just a general feeling of everything considered that I base decisions off. That is largely what calls the shots.

    • Other people
    What the atmosphere is like, what would be 'acceptable' or more fitting in the situation. Different environments call for different ways of doing things. This is more of a push factor, influencing the original feeling-impression of what I want to do.

    Alternatively, it could be asking for others' opinions, since I tend to get stuck in mine. (Or then again, in having no discernible opinion.) Others have different experiences, worldviews and perspectives. This tends to have more weight in serious/having a larger impact and practical decisions.

    • Past experiences
    The past teaches lessons. Particularly so when I've been scalded choosing to do something. Sometimes I'd be very adverse to doing it again. Others, it would bug me but I would continue, silently half-watching with a wary eye.

    Decision making is a really, really wide topic though.


    6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?
    I presume the word 'project' here implies projects with other people. In that case, the first thing I think of is my self centredness. I'm sensitive to what part I'm given, role I play, things you want me to do.

    But zooming out more and to how I actually behave, I would let others take the lead, chiming in with an idea, thought or another way things could go/alternative outcome to something that should be considered. The more interested/excited I am about it, the more I'd talk.

    Also, I would go along with what the group has decided, give and take. If there is something I more 'violently object' to, then I'll try and persuade them not to do that, suggesting why they shouldn't and/or other ways to go about it.

    And that kind of covers the part on control too. If I am more interested/invested I am in it, I would want to have more control and say in how things are done. Vice versa: if I'm not interested, then I'd do my role but (I'm gonna say it) pretty much couldn't care less. Regardless of my interest in it, if there is something I strongly disagree with, then I'd want to have some form of 'control' in a sense to steer things away.

    Not your ideal 'team player', am I...


    7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?
    I'm trying to think of such an occasion, but I'm coming up with more on nostalgia and wondrousness. I can only upon some pushing recall times of not-so-significant fun... I'll do yet another bullet point thing here.

    • When I come up with a witty remark or thought, whether in conversation with someone else or just thinking about things myself.

    • Back when I played games, some of them were fun. I particularly enjoy storyline ones (e.g. choose your adventure, Lifeline). Action games to a lesser extent. Though it's still the storyline or a nice community that made those action games fun and enjoyable over time.

    • And that reminds me, back when I read books. It's a magical, delightful experience understanding your favourite characters to their inner depths, feeling (wishing) you're their best friend, seeing how they react as the story unfolds, losing yourself and going along with the flow of the story. But this is sort of going away from the idea of 'fun'...

    If this question is supposed to elicit how my memories are like, I'll answer one of that sort if requested.


    8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theorize, to memorize, etc)
    Understanding it would be the first thing I'd go for. Ideal if I actually get it from here, but that unfortunately is not often the case.

    This is something I've noticed when someone else is presenting something:
    My conscious brain activity is automatically silenced and my subconscious or something like that takes in the information, absorbs it. I naturally forget myself, the static/chatter in my mind disappears and information just flows in. It's great when I'm alert and receptive, but that doesn't always happen, so more often there's still a background buzz of myself.

    I suppose I would try to achieve such a state when reading things too, but the flow is not as 'complete' since I'm consciously involved in reading and piecing things together.

    For personality typology, it's been gathering lots and lots of information, reading and reading. Seeing the way folks on this forum talk about things and themselves, how much they relate to descriptions and stereotypes.

    Ok, maybe I just went off on a tangent there. Like, for the whole answer. How I really learn, idk. As of now, the fuzzy idea in my head is taking in information (listening/reading) and then twiddling around with it, drawing connections between other information and stuff I've learnt from the past.


    9) How organized do you to think of yourself as?
    Decently organised. Though I allow for a level of disorder in boxed-in areas. Loosely controlled disorder.

    Organisation is neat, categorised. Information is easy to play with and manipulate; it's lighter and thoughts about it straightforward. It's nice when things are organised, so I can spend my mental energy thinking how to proceed or improve from there, instead of needing to draw some away to figure out what goes where and how they are related to each other. In the classical sense of the term, I have a organised workstation, keep things filed. I'd say I'm a neat person.

    Past that however is where relative chaos comes in.

    Overall, I favour a kind of light organisation. I like to have labels and overarching themes to categorise/label/make sense of things. Examples include notes in note-apps I have and in my thoughts. This light organisation doesn't suppress down on the individual intricacies that makes things unique and give them their unique 'taste' (I call what makes up these 'tastes' subjective feeling-impressions). I can be rigid and inflexible in trying to retain these individual intricacies, in fact, slightly ironically.

    (Aaaand the other not-so-healthy reason for disorganisation would be as a way to avoid problems. But that's beside the point, so...)


    10) How do you judge new ideas? Do you try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?
    Both? I don't go round questioning the way I judge new ideas, so this is an unusual question to me.

    Not sure what I can say here that's relevant. Those two are quite the fundamental.

    As I let this slosh around in my head, I realise I can be too accepting of new ideas, putting them in with the rest in a "Hmm, I'll consider" section that sometimes feels like the whole of my head. That would be waiting for more information. But of course, I also try to understand the principles behind that new information, to get a sense of what it is and how to respond, like these questions.


    11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?
    More the latter than the former.

    I'm not a very proactive or outgoing person, so I don't work towards everyone belonging. In the rare occasion I feel confident enough and motivated enough to do so, I'll try. It's nice when I get positive responses, but I'm not sure if and don't think they actually feel 'fine-ness' and belongingness because of me.

    It's refreshing, exciting, thrilling and real when I let myself down and be myself (whatever that may mean). No self-images and societal expectations to follow. Even if I suppress it (insisting that others are right and I'm wrong, self-consciousness >_<), it still happens and leaks out anyway into my thoughts in its own subconscious way.


    12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?
    Thinks before speaking, anyday. Okay, maybe not all the time, but close enough to essentially be so.

    I'm careful with my words. I want what I bring across to feel right in meaning, overall tone (might as well add degree and connotation), as well as be accurate. The opposite is just as true, I don't want it to be wrong, can't have it wrong. This is all quite automatic actually, it happens and I don't think much about it. The active, conscious thinking comes in when I doubt I'm getting it right, and of course for more complex things I'm responding to.

    It is not uncommon that I overthink and don't speak while/after weighing it all out. I err on the side of not speaking.

    What about those exceptions? My judgements of what is acceptable could be wonky, or on the really rare occasion, I didn't consider at all. Some intenser-than-normal feelings gone loose and/or looking at things with a single limited perspective.

    Alternatively, it could be those kind of situations, like in conversation, that thinking too much would be weird, so I don't think too much and speak naturally as per my first intention.

    Leaning towards one-on-one here. It has always been that way for me; what can I say? It's closer, more intimate, the conversation addresses both of us in particular/personally. I come out of my shell and speak more when there are fewer people involved.


    13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speak more than words?
    Ooh, this is sort of like the previous one, but different. For good reason, since I'm looking at jumping in right away.

    My approach to things is to consider the scenario, perhaps make a rough plan, then just get into it. Sometimes I only consider as much as what action I want to take before jumping to make my move.

    I'd say it's mostly because I don't try very hard or very well with that initial thinking (unlike with word-phrasing). Or it could be like getting stuck in analysis paralysis BUT going offtrack all the way. Being lost in irrelevant thinking. Basically, I can't be bothered enough about planning to come up with something satisfactorily worth the thinking. It's easier if I just act first, go with the impulse while planning and considering along the way. The result is more natural this way too.

    In a different way, I would want know where I'm jumping before leaping, as in I want to know the scenario I'm getting into. That's a main point in my considerations before acting — Is it worth the effort? Is this something I'm sure of my competency in doing? Should I do this at all?

    Come on, an idiom "action speaks louder than words" exists! I'd say yes, but I root for the side on words too.

    Of course, the usual argument: one may speak of wonderful daydream-castles, ideas to revolutionise society, make complaining remarks at something, but if no action is taken, then nothing will be done about the matter. Action is what makes the impact.

    That's not to say that words don't matter. Words carry ideas, meanings and stories — put in a certain way, they can be a form of action too. There are some things better expressed in words than actions, like books, quotes, smart remarks. The written word is just a different and at times better medium to express things through, in a poetic, humorous, ironic or profound (etc) way that action simply can't do.


    14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?
    Considering if I have friends (and then again a favourite show), they must be pretty decent people to make the cut. I'd go out with them, unless I feel particularly homey or tired. Quite simply, I value human connection more than personal enjoyment. Mostly anyway.


    15) How do you act when you're stressed out?
    Ahh, fun times. I could act a number of ways.

    I have a decent threshold, so it takes a while before I'm sufficiently stressed out.

    • Become self-absorbed.
    Want to be alone, away from other humans, and as above.

    • Do nothing. Or walk around.
    Stare off into space, little movement. Think away about things, want to continue doing that and nothing productive. In the other scenario, I'll take a walk around while thinking or trying to distract myself.

    • Being negative and critical. Sarcasm and mockery possible.
    It's mostly about/targeted at myself and can be about a whole slew of things, capabilities, accomplishments, attitudes. At times unbased belittling.

    • Dissociate and deaden. Detach.
    Try to forget whatever that's stressing me, push it out of my mind. Depersonalise from myself. Don't feel it.

    • Overthinking.
    About the negatives, prohibiting positives from being or staying long enough. Second-guessing, doubt and fear at every little step.

    It's all mixed together in different proportions, so I guess bullet points don't really work, but it's sort of like that. (Lol myself, this sentence!)

    As for my reactions to other people, I don't and would never let anyone know whatever's stressing me. I control my words and how I act. Maybe it may show in side behaviours, but I don't show anything and they don't show anything, so I presume they don't know.

    The veeery rare times I let it out (2 times), it's a self-controlled and orderly stream. Like, coherent, narrating and showing some normal affect, while inside I'm losing everything.


    16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?
    • People who overplay some authority position, actual or self-perceived. They see themselves as superior, others as inferior to them.
    Or give off such an impression. It shows in how they act; there's an unbetraying air to them that leaks this out unapologetically, maybe unknowingly. It's not overt like condescension or patronisation (which surely everyone hates), but there just along the surface, obvious enough.

    Hmm, that's what I can think of now. I'm not one to harp on things I don't like about other people, and don't notice much of that too. If I do, I try to be accepting; people are different, most just being the distinct individuals that they are. Does the disliker not have any role and thus potential fault at all in the dislike of something? At the very least, if there's nothing personality typology has taught you ;)

    But to squeeze out some more, snobbishness, being inconsiderate and violations of moral decency.


    17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?
    Yes!

    *Distinguishing between imagined conversations and actual conversations*

    Ok.

    • Personality type.
    Well, it's an interest of mine. Not that conversations go very far (they aren't interested in it), but I guess I mentally embellish it.

    • What lets me learn more about who people are inside.
    Could be quite a lot of things, thoughts, values, experiences. Things normally not shared and/or kept hidden. Definitely helps if I find them interesting. Who are they inside, beyond their everyday selves/image/façade?

    Related to the above,
    • Other people's interests, as long as I'm interested to some degree in it.
    They are excited about it, more than happy to share, and become genuinely animated. Passionate even. It's nice to see people light up with enthusiasm, learn more about that interest and naturally them (who they are, how they are like) through their sharing.

    • 'Not shallow' topics and topics where there isn't an answer to.
    Stuff beyond everyday conversation. If it's something on opinion, others have different experiences, values and are just different people, so it can be interesting to see what they think. Maybe I'll have my own to share too.


    18) What kind of things do pay the least attention to in your life?
    To pay attention to the things I pay the least attention to, right.

    Material possessions? Following the latest trends. Many events organisations organise. Technical details. Whatever does not interest me and is something I don't have to bother with. Yeah, that last sentence sums it up.


    19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? What would your friends never say about your personality?
    An old friend thought I was sciency and bookish? Idk about that and whatever impressions I was giving her. Quite far off the mark, I'm ok with science but not that interested and definitely not bookish.

    She had also commented on another occasion that I "live under a rock". Well that's true I guess.

    Other than that, I don't know what they or others (non-friends) think. It bugs me sometimes since I'm mostly stuck with only my opinion reflecting off itself.

    They would never say that I was loud and outgoing, bossy and domineering, or boisterous. I highly doubt they would call me influential or charming either.


    20) You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?
    Frankly these are the days that get, ahem, wasted :/ I'll probably read stuff on personality typology on the internet or in books if I happened to borrow some. Ramble about stuff I'm inspired to ramble about in a private notepad app (like a diary I suppose, but not regularly or about daily events. Wherever my mind wanders). Watch a few Youtube videos here and there, listen to some songs. I may go out if someone's going unless I feel lazy and homebody-ish.


    Yess 20! But I'm not done yet, dang it.

    1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?
    Cast your votes! Or hold on to them, whatever.

    My trouble is mostly between Si-dom and Fi-dom. I've been leaning towards Fi-dom since the very start, and that means that yes, I'm skewed towards it, specifically INFP.

    I've narrowed it down to being reasonably certain of using the Si-Ne and Fi-Te function axes, though I'm open to the other functions should you suggest them.

    Little comparison here.

    • Si
    A main point: Subjective impressions of the world going through life.

    I'm not exactly sure if they are Si, maybe it's just something everyone experiences. To everything that I encounter (see, think, experience), I experience subjective impressions sparked off by that thing. I don't know how to rightly describe them, don't know what exactly they are or what they are even about, but they're tangible enough. It is strange describing them, but I still try to, as it happens. A broad umbrella term I use for them is 'feeling-impressions' or just 'impressions'.

    I thought this may be the, well, subjective impressions that Si types are said to have.

    • Te/Fe
    If I were to pick one, it will be Te over Fe. I think I use Te, but comfortably and skillfully enough to be aux? I don't think so, a bit clumsy at it I'll say. And if (since) I'm sure of being an introvert, then you know where it's going to be. There's a slant, but/so I'm still keeping this open.

    • Fi
    Frankly, as much as I think Fi-dom, I'm unable to describe what a Fi-dom is. It's scattered, but to pick one point, it would be this.

    The subjective impressions, as above, again, but put in a different way. Wherever I go, I have these impressions, and I reference them in order to take action. So for example, for words, I fine-tune their meanings by following where these impressions lead, WHILE trying to balance the feeling-impressions of the words with my internal feeling-state. If that makes sense? So in this way, I can agree with having a constant 'valuation' of everything I meet with — instinctively taking whatever I perceive and comparing it against myself. Whether I have to act on that information/situation or not.

    After writing that, I suppose that is what Fi is.

    • Ne/Se
    Picking one over the other, again, I would choose Ne. I wouldn't say right off the bat that I'm good with Ne. It's more of the Ne-Si function axis I relate to over Ni-Se. I get Ne-Si's method of perceiving over Ni-Se's. But not Ni-Se's, in fact.

    As a function individually, it would be difficult to see Ne in myself? I can say it's like cobweb structures of quick associations and jumping around, but I'm not sure enough how I see it in myself. I ramble-described it another time, I'll put that description in a spoiler. It's long-ish and probs not important, so skip by if you're bored of reading my words.

     

    Ne feels like it just runs around everywhere. It's messy, doesn't have a direction, spreads out its abstract tentacles/like a cobweb. It is unclear, its processes blurry.

    Si on the other hand feels more structured. It is clear. But not in the sense that it's clear as black and white; there's Ne running around all over the place, drawing associations, being active, extraverting.

    Si knows its stuff. The past has structure and detail. The past is neatly categorised, in a sense — it is definite and I can pull detail-points from it, like the library metaphor.

    Si is a vast collection of data points. It is clear and definite. It is also in a way dead and inanimate, not lively like Ne. (Though it's processes have, obviously, in no way ceased to function.) Ne is active and lively. Its position, whatever it's doing, is not exact, tough to pinpoint. It actively pieces together ideas, supported by/referencing in the active process clear, 'dead' details archived by Si. Ne stands out as the explorer, while Si is the overlooked, overshadowed, behind-the-scenes massive archive for Ne to play around with, to back up Ne's adventures into the unknown, and for Ne to have something that exists to play around with at all.

    Dammit, I have a feeling-impression of it so clear in my mind now, but I'm not sure if I'm churning it out into words right.


    A take at a description of Ne/Si, as it is personally to me:

    Si is NOT exact and full of details for me, as if memories existed in neatly organised little boxes, from which I can come up with descriptive essays. It however is clear and definite in a sense. The past feels like dead, inanimate data points, not morphing and changing and formless (or at least of an abstract form) like I presume Ni is like. That's where the detail of sorts comes from, since my Si archive/worldview is structured like that, stores information that way. That's why when I recall things there tends to be some form of detail, or more often, at least scattered detail points.

    It is no way exacting-clear, black-and-white or full of definite details though. There's Ne, running around all over the place, referencing things and jumping from tangent to tangent. In a sort of dream-like cloud. It creates abstract cobweb/tentacle-structures that are, well, formless. It's tough to assign a shape to it, it's more of an idea. Often I don't know what it's actually doing, what ideas it's exploring, or even how to describe the ideas in words to others (which I fear is what's happening here). Ne is active and lively. It is uncertain. And it is an outwards-spreading, extraverted exploration/information-gathering function.

    TL;DR, I think with inanimate, scattered detail points (Si). Ne uses this as material to actively and lively-ly jump around and form many abstractions of ideas.



    There's lots of things I've said here that made me question myself, but I guess that's the purpose of a questionnaire.

    Thanks for staying through till the end! It was a long ride. Hope you actually, uh, read it :P I don't have any cookies around, so here's some funnies to recuperate from my wall of text. If you can muster the energy to read any more, heh.

     

    An elderly couple had just learned how to send text messages on their cellphones. The wife was a romantic type, and the husband was more of a no-nonsense guy.

    One afternoon the wife went out to meet a friend for coffee. She decided to send her husband a romantic text message, so she wrote: "If you are sleeping, send me your dreams. If you are laughing, send me your smile. If you are eating, send me a bite. If you are drinking, send me a sip. If you are crying, send me your tears. I love you."

    The husband texted back to her: "I'm using the bathroom. Please advise."

    - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    Two guys were taking Chemistry at the University of Alabama. They did pretty well on all of the quizzes and the midterms and labs, such that going into the final they had a solid "A." These two friends were so confident going into the final that the weekend before finals week (even though the Chemistry final was on Monday), they decided to go up to the University of Tennessee and party with some friends. They had a great time. However, with hangovers and everything, they overslept all day Sunday and didn't make it back to Alabama until early Monday morning.

    Rather than taking the final then, they found their professor after the final to explain to him why they missed the final. They told him that they went up to the University of Tennessee for the weekend, and had planned to come back in time to study, but that they had a flat tire on the way back, and didn't have a spare, and couldn't get help for a long time, so they were late in getting back to campus.

    The professor thought this over and told them they could make up the final on the following day. The two guys were elated and relieved. They studied that night and went in the next day for the final.

    The professor placed them in separate rooms, and handed each of them a test booklet and told them to begin. They looked at the first problem, which was worth 5 Points. It was something simple about Molarity & Solutions.

    "Cool," they thought. "This is going to be easy." They did that problem and then turned the page.

    They were not prepared, however, for what they saw on this page.

    It said: [95 Points] - Which tire?

    - - - - - - - - - - - - -
    Toward the end of a church service, the minister asked the congregation, "How many of you have forgiven your enemies?"

    All held up their hands except one small elderly lady.

    "Mrs. Jones? Are you not willing to forgive your enemies?"

    "I don't have an enemy in the world," she replied, smiling sweetly.

    "Mrs. Jones, that is very unusual. How old are you?"

    "I happen to be ninety-eight years old," she replied.

    "Oh, Mrs. Jones, would you please come down in front and tell us all how a person can live ninety-eight years and not have a single enemy?"

    The little sweetheart of a lady tottered down the aisle, faced the congregation, and said, "I outlived them all."

    Source: gcfl.net



    Do leave a comment on what you think my type is and why!
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  2. #2
    INFP

    I think you are ENXP. Maybe ENFP.

  3. #3

    INP obvious. I think INFP.

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  5. #4

    @Lord Pixel @ultracrepidarian

    Hmm, what makes you guys think so? Especially in EXFP, I don't see myself as an extrovert myself.

  6. #5
    INFP

    Don't plan just jump into action. Said you learned you don't know yourself well and aren't drawn to recording that data. Sounds E to me.

  7. #6

    I am, actually... (Typo?) Well alright, thanks for your reply!

  8. #7
    INFP

    Some more reasons would be, at least in the case of INFP. INFP constantly trying to know themselves, largest type representation on this site is INFP, and in most MBTI communities the most represented is INFP because they are constantly trying to understand themselves. And INFP does not naturally jump into things, they analyze things to death, overthink things, second guess and imagine, daydream about, doubt before ever jumping into something. If they do begin to jump into things it's trained behavior that they had to learn inorder to override their tendencies to hesitate and over think. Also too accepting of new information, that sounds more Ne dom, INFP judges all information they get and measures it up against their own value system, ENFPs are the really open-minded ones. Fi is a judging function and Ne is a perceiving function, types with perceiving functions first take in lots of info before they judge it, types with judging functions first judge the info first then later look at it's details. Maybe if you had some reasons why you think you are an introvert I could see if either you are one or maybe just have moments, many ENFPs think they are introverts but not many INFPs think they are extroverts.
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  9. #8

    I read my whole block of text again and now see how it could be ENFP-ish. Thing with the I/E is that I've always seen myself as an introvert. Taking things in to process it, my world based around the internal rather than external — like your typical introvert, so there was no question which side I fell on the first time I even knew about introverts and extroverts (way before MBTI!).

    In terms of functions though, I've adopted more of a perceiving attitude recently (or more like for a while), so that may be what's especially introducing doubt on type, and in general, life.

    Not saying that I've eliminated the possibility of Ne-dom, just that I've never thought of being extraverted. I'll go and find Jung's description of Ne in PT later, never read that one before. It's different to MBTI, but similar enough I hope. Although honestly, even as I say all this, I'm still predisposed to think introversion.

    Alternatively, a whole other significant possibility I've considered is inferior Ne. Maybe it's crazy, maybe I'm just coming up with excuses to deny having Fi or Ne high up in the stack (I have a bit of a bias towards it there), maybe I really caught on to something.

    Si-dom would explain my perceiving-ness, and the "feeling-impressions" that I mentioned above. Last time I read Jung's descriptions, I related slightly more to introverted sensation than feeling frankly, though, again, they are two entirely different systems. And that would raise more questions on how I see Ne decently in myself, and appear to be a Ne-dom to you and a definite Ne-aux to ultracrepidarian.

    On your short description on INFP, I can relate in a way. About the jumping into things part, I don't actually jump into whatever possibility I see, lean on the side of inaction in fact. Where I jump is when I don't think too much and follow an impulse (as above), or decide to stop deliberating, get up and just make a decision.

    I also agree with your bit on perceiving there over judging. There are definitely biases, or better said, filters that judge information that go through. But I think that is true for everyone, depending on stuff like their past or values they believe in, now that we're talking about Fi.

    How consciously do you do/experience the act of Judging? I do sometimes (or maybe more often than I say) 'apprehend' information that goes against an idea that I already have from going too far in my mind, so that may be Fi-ish?

    I see that you're an INFP yourself, how did you come to deciding that that's your type?
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    INFP

    What you bring up now makes me a little less sure from my last post.


    Taking things in to process it, my world based around the internal rather than external — like your typical introvert, so there was no question which side I fell on the first time I even knew about introverts and extroverts (way before MBTI!).
    Not saying that I've eliminated the possibility of Ne-dom, just that I've never thought of being extraverted. I'll go and find Jung's description of Ne in PT later, never read that one before. It's different to MBTI, but similar enough I hope. Although honestly, even as I say all this, I'm still predisposed to think introversion.
    I'll take your word on it, this reads a little more convincing of I.

    Alternatively, a whole other significant possibility I've considered is inferior Ne. Maybe it's crazy, maybe I'm just coming up with excuses to deny having Fi or Ne high up in the stack (I have a bit of a bias towards it there), maybe I really caught on to something.
    Nah, you made it clear you are not a J type when you say you don't see thinking up a plan as worth it, it's easier (read prefered) for you to plan along the way, that's P talking.


    On your short description on INFP, I can relate in a way. About the jumping into things part, I don't actually jump into whatever possibility I see, lean on the side of inaction in fact. Where I jump is when I don't think too much and follow an impulse (as above), or decide to stop deliberating, get up and just make a decision.
    Before it sounded like this was often, P types can go off impulse more than J types but it's more often for extraverts to just jump into things.



    How consciously do you do/experience the act of Judging? I do sometimes (or maybe more often than I say) 'apprehend' information that goes against an idea that I already have from going too far in my mind, so that may be Fi-ish?
    I have the feeling that it's almost subconscious because of how fast it happens, like the act itself, the judgement is conscious but the act is so quick it might aswell be subconscious and it requires effort for me to be aware enough to consider the judgement may be innaccurate. I see a guy with face tats and I have to hold back the thoughts of him having either been in jail or a rapper.

    It's refreshing, exciting, thrilling and real when I let myself down and be myself (whatever that may mean). No self-images and societal expectations to follow. Even if I suppress it (insisting that others are right and I'm wrong, self-consciousness >_<), it still happens and leaks out anyway into my thoughts in its own subconscious way.

    This to me sounds for sure like Fi.


    When you say you learned you don't understand yourself? Have you always felt like you never understood yourself, never tried to because it was never on your mind, or you thought you did and now are learning you don't?

    You also said you value human connection over personal enjoyment, I mean that sounds very stereotypically E. Not saying it is but, I mean, idk about every INFP but INFPs can value personal enjoyment so much that if what their friends are doing isn't personally enjoying they might not even go and hang out with the friends.

    Even though I say all this I also realized you are 9w1 and that could contribute to you feeling like you don't know yourself well and valuing human connection over personal enjoyment, because type 9 is very self effacing, that could be an explanation. Either way you sounded NFP. Your attitude about Te seems like a "meh" one, while most INFPs attitudes about it are either they wish they had it, or them being decent at it is an accomplishment.

    I think you have Fi, I think you have P, and you seem to relate more to Ne over Se. So yea back to either INFP or ENFP. Probably INFP now that I consider enneagram and read what you said about introversion.


    I see that you're an INFP yourself, how did you come to deciding that that's your type?
    As for how I knew, well the short answer is I just knew but there was a process, and it will explain why you saying "I learned I don't know myself well." made me def not see you as INFP. Before MBTI and all that I was always wondering about things about me and such, knowing my habits, what I'm good at, and just very specific nuanceed details about myself, I never thought these nuanced psychological habits that are very specific to me could be shared with other people, let alone be VERY accurately written out on the internet like I'm part of some kind of clone experiment. But there it was right in front of me, word for word described very nuanced and specific psychological habits that I thought I only knew about myself written in a type description called INFP, and I'm just like, w-t-h is this?! And after looking up videos and being freaked out about physically seeing other INFPs share my same weird habits in speech and idea generation, tangental conversations, losing track of thought and using even the same word to get back on thought, I really didn't need more proof, but to be safe I looked up INFJ since the internet searches kept suggesting "Am I INFP or INFJ.". And INFJ descriptions were flattering, and were the first test result I got also, but there were crucial parts that did not apply to me, their need and great desire to help others and just being very other's focused in general, I felt like "That's nice, but I am def more focused on myself than other people, like I don't want to save the world, but there are dreams I want to make happen for myself." Then I, to be even more sure, watched videos on all 16 types and each video someone actually came to mind I was like "Oh crap I know someone like that!" and the INFP video once again left me jaw dropped, even some things in the video I've said myself thinking I was special way b4 all this MBTI stuff. And now here I am.

    But none of this would even matter if I didn't know very nuanced and specific details and habits of myself. Only because I naturally record my behaviors and see the consistency in them was I able to verify that a type description was correct or not.

    TLDR: I already knew tons about myself and thought I could never be understood by others, and then I found something that very specifically understood me.
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    I found the Ne description, and nah, don't relate to it.

    I have the feeling that it's almost subconscious because of how fast it happens, like the act itself, the judgement is conscious but the act is so quick it might aswell be subconscious and it requires effort for me to be aware enough to consider the judgement may be innaccurate. I see a guy with face tats and I have to hold back the thoughts of him having either been in jail or a rapper.
    Hm, that would make sense since Fi is dom, automatic and second nature. An article somewhere, maybe Psychology Junkie or Thought Catalog, compared the familiarity and ordinariness of the dominant function to water when someone is swimming in a pool. In that case that's one more to the side of Fi, since subconscious judging is quite the case for me too. Still, I question it, so I'll go find some description on what dominant Pi is like. Or perhaps if you, reader of this post, is a Pi-dom, maybe you'd be so kind to share a bit about being leading with Pi? :)

    When you say you learned you don't understand yourself? Have you always felt like you never understood yourself, never tried to because it was never on your mind, or you thought you did and now are learning you don't?
    The latter, oh so much the latter. But there's a bit of a catch I suppose.

    Whether I really did understand... I think I did. I knew how I was, and I knew how I would generally react to things. But to a deep extent? Back then, understanding to a deep, piercingly deep extent was not something that crossed my mind. It wasn't an idea I even had to begin with, I'd be willing to wager.

    I did understand myself decently, but not to such an extent that I'm questioning and craving to understand now.

    You also said you value human connection over personal enjoyment, I mean that sounds very stereotypically E. Not saying it is but, I mean, idk about every INFP but INFPs can value personal enjoyment so much that if what their friends are doing isn't personally enjoying they might not even go and hang out with the friends.
    I was thinking more along the lines of human connection because I find it personally enjoying, my bad.

    Answering that, I was thinking, for me to consider them friends, there must be a strong enough reason. Maybe that they're really interesting people or share common interests with me, something such as that I would work at the friendship enough to consider them friends. So connecting with them would be personally enjoying AND such human connection/personal enjoyment would override other forms of personal enjoyment that I engage in now.

    So in that way I can agree with preferring to stay home if they are not doing something I find enjoyable myself. Which is something something I've done before.

    Even though I say all this I also realized you are 9w1 and that could contribute to you feeling like you don't know yourself well and valuing human connection over personal enjoyment, because type 9 is very self effacing, that could be an explanation. Either way you sounded NFP. Your attitude about Te seems like a "meh" one, while most INFPs attitudes about it are either they wish they had it, or them being decent at it is an accomplishment.

    I think you have Fi, I think you have P, and you seem to relate more to Ne over Se. So yea back to either INFP or ENFP. Probably INFP now that I consider enneagram and read what you said about introversion.
    Heheh, that's possible too.

    I guess so, on being E9. There supposedly is a unique dynamic with one's inferior function, but other than feeling incompetent sometimes in moving step by step to accomplish something (which may or may not be related to Te), there's nothing significant about Te I notice in myself now.

    I'm a student, and my English teacher is a ENTJ, I think. She has a very strong Te-ness that I quite respect, and admire in a way. Very direct and exacting to what matters, getting past bs and getting stuff done.

    As for how I knew, well the short answer is I just knew but there was a process, and it will explain why you saying "I learned I don't know myself well." made me def not see you as INFP. Before MBTI and all that I was always wondering about things about me and such, knowing my habits, what I'm good at, and just very specific nuanceed details about myself, I never thought these nuanced psychological habits that are very specific to*me*could be shared with other people, let alone be VERY accurately written out on the internet like I'm part of some kind of clone experiment. But there it was right in front of me, word for word described very nuanced and specific psychological habits that I thought I only knew about myself written in a type description called INFP, and I'm just like, w-t-h*is*this?! And after looking up videos and being freaked out about physically seeing other INFPs share my same weird habits in speech and idea generation, tangental conversations, losing track of thought and using even the same word to get back on thought, I really didn't need more proof, but to be safe I looked up INFJ since the internet searches kept suggesting "Am I INFP or INFJ.". And INFJ descriptions were flattering, and were the first test result I got also, but there were crucial parts that did not apply to me, their need and great desire to help others and just being very other's focused in general, I felt like "That's*nice, but I am def more focused on myself than other people, like I don't want to save the world, but there are dreams I want to make happen for myself." Then I, to be even more sure, watched videos on all 16 types and each video someone actually came to mind I was like "Oh crap I know someone like that!" and the INFP video once again left me jaw dropped, even some things in the video I've said myself thinking I was special way b4 all this MBTI stuff. And now here I am.

    But none of this would even matter if I didn't know very nuanced and specific details and habits of myself. Only because I naturally record my behaviors and see the consistency in them was I able to verify that a type description was correct or not.

    TLDR: I already knew tons about myself and thought I could never be understood by others, and then I found something that very specifically understood me.
    Ahh I see... So it must have been an epiphany finding INFP. Like a clone experiment, haha. Maybe it's you bring a Four that comes into play, constantly on the search for identity, so you'd know yourself really well.

    I'll describe a bit on my type journey so far, maybe it'll help you get a perspective on things. The first time I took the test and read the description with my decent self-understanding, was also an astonishing and magical process. (It was INFP btw and on 16P.) After that 'honeymoon' period though, I've never truly accepted being that type or any type, and began to doubt more in fact. Most recently, things are converging and forming patterns — the discovery and relative 'endorsement' (or support) of the idea of using Fi-Te and Ne-Si axes. So yea, that's where I am now, just after the completion of that great project of a questionnaire.


     

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