Great - now I'm questioning my ENTP-ness. Warning: EXTREME rambling...

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    Great - now I'm questioning my ENTP-ness. Warning: EXTREME rambling...

    More and more I've been wondering if I might be INTP instead of ENTP. It's killing me, but I've got to face the facts; there is evidence for both cases, it seems. Prepare yourself - the babbling begins now! Have fun....I'm just putting it all out here. Feel free just to skim; I apologize for the length of this post.

    I always assumed I was extroverted because I'm quite friendly, eloquent, and outspoken, as well as an excellent improviser. In addition, I welcome and thoroughly enjoy opportunities for public speaking - the less planning, the better! People often compliment me on my abilities in this area; I can get up and give a kick-ass speech at the drop of a dime. Also, supposedly one of the hallmarks of extroversion is speaking before thinking, which certainly applies to me much of the time. When I first began taking tests for it, I always scored as an extrovert (I still usually do), but now that I've better come to understand MBTI, I feel that I might be introverted.

    For one, I rarely initiate conversation; I want to, but I tend to wait for the other person to initiate conversation and then treat that as a green light, at which point I almost immediately become loud and vivacious. I have a tendency to withdraw to my computer and I prefer to work alone to avoid distraction - and also because my superiority complex leads me to trust no one but myself to do an adequate job. I like people, but increasingly I value my time alone; I was an extremely outgoing child, but now I find that this is not necessarily the case. I've always blamed relatively unaccepting peers for this, as well as the supposed tendency for young ENTPs to seem introverted, but could it be that I really am just introverted?

    The question also remains as to whether or not my sudden onset of introversion might be the result of an idealized self. I tend to adopt behaviors like that of my romantic interests, so because of my tendency to like introverts, I've toned myself down a great deal. It's a conscious effort, but I try to remain as calm-sounding as I can. While I really am very calm by nature, in speech and in writing it is natural for me to want to grow loud and crazy, so I've learned to "class myself up," if you will.

    In function tests, I score in a very ENTP-looking way, but now that I'm looking at it more closely, I wonder if that's just an illusion. My Ne and Ti are roughly even - there are some days when Ti surpasses Ne - and although I always score the next highest on Fe and the lowest (of all the functions) on Si, I feel that this could be questionable. You see, although I don't place much value upon Si, I think I use it much more than I allow myself to admit. I began to suspect this when I realized that no other ENTP seems to value spelling and grammar as much as I do. I'm also excellent when it comes to memorization and the like, in a very Si-seeming manner (hence the reason my spelling and grammar are as good as they are). When I'm around fellow ENTPs, I'm always picking away at their grammar, and while I originally attributed this to the influence of my beloved ESTJ mother, I now wonder if it's not just because I have stronger Si than I previously believed. Furthermore, when I'm with other ENTPs, I often adopt the role of the introvert; I'm the quieter one, the thinker - and the one who fixes all of their grammatical errors, of course. A higher Si would also explain why my image can sometimes seem SJ-ish to those who really don't know me.

    As for Fe...well, it's a more recent development. I developed it as a necessity in order to be accepted by my peers, and it's quite useful, but it's still sometimes a weakness; I try to apply it and strive to master it, but there are times when I'm simply not able to get a good sense of the feelings of others, and it bothers me. Don't let me fool you, though; I'm actually very skilled when it comes to reading people in general. I can understand core motives in an instant, and I effortlessly know the types of the people I meet with scary accuracy. I have the tendency of finishing others' sentences, knowing their thoughts without them telling me, and so on. Would Fe, then, be my Tertiary or Inferior function? I've come to value it and am generally very strong with it, but I still do struggle at times. Is it normal to develop one's Inferior function to such a degree? If this were the case, I'd have four well-developed functions, which seems a bit odd...

    I suppose my trouble is that I've never fully understood the implications of the Inferior function. Since there are four other functions technically below it, does that make it relatively strong despite its title? I've always been under the impression that the Inferior function implied one's ultimate weakness. An enlightening explanation would be wonderful.

    ...Okay, so this is getting to be ridiculously verbose, but I feel the need to discuss some more.

    I have all the inventiveness and creativity of an ENTP, but I'm often more intellectual, which is stereotypically more attributed to INTPs (Literary goddess that I am, I LOVE math...). I wonder, though, if I've toned down my Ne because of, again, my tendency to try to mirror love interests (AKA introverts, and usually extreme ones, at that). I'm actually not a big fan of conflict; I enjoy debate more than anything, but only when it is understood that there is to be no real anger and conflict involved. I view debating, rather, as a mutual learning experience. I'm always open to new information, always reconfiguring my beliefs, and I never take offense to anything that anyone says. Seriously...if you can truly offend or anger me, you deserve a gold medal, because it is extremely difficult to do. I tend to march to the beat of my own drum; if I follow the crowd, it's because the crowd is doing something with which I just so happen to agree. If I disagree with the majority, there is absolutely nothing stopping me from doing whatever I think is right. I often do simple things in a different way than normal, and people wonder why, but it's really just because I don't place any value on what's "normal." I do whatever makes sense to me, and I love all things novel and strange.

    Much of the time I have the craziness of an ENTP, while other times I feel so INTP that it's painful. I find that many of my thoughts are very abstract and difficult to express, giving off the illusion that I don't have a point or understanding of something, when really it's just too abstract for me to verbalize immediately. I always remember my points after talking to someone...

    I'm every bit a charming smooth-talker, but I'm also a major nerd. Either way, I have an ego that could put most anyone's to shame! I'm ambivalent, laid-back, and logical, but I'm also strong-willed, perfectionistic, and fiery. I've always described myself as the contradictory free-spirited perfectionist, as well as the typical mad scientist type. I love to learn, but I'm lazy as anything...

    Compared to introverts, I'm goofy, outspoken, and even annoying. Compared to extroverts, I can be a bit of a recluse (I'm not a fan of any sort of touching unless it's someone in whom I'm interested romantically), but perhaps that's simply due to my extreme need for independence.

    Let's see....Is there anything else I can add? Well, I'm not at all fickle in love, but that doesn't say anything about the other areas of life, in which I actually can be very fickle. I don't have a sense of "loyalty," but at the same time I never turn away someone who wants to call me a friend. I'm too nice to push them away, and I can see the good in anyone. My friends generally choose me rather than the other way around simply because I'm too lazy and apathetic about the matter. A few good friends are nice to have, but I'm content to wander from group to group, never quite tying myself down anywhere, or to anyone. Still, I find it easy to get along with basically everybody, with almost no exceptions. Even when I don't like someone, I'm good at pretending otherwise. Additionally, emotions annoy me slightly, but I honestly don't have much in the way of real feelings. I find that I more or less just pretend to have them, and I can control them at will, which is kind of nice. I'm completely blunt and honest in whatever I say....I often have to censor myself because I know my humor might be deemed offensive....I tend to get into trouble because I don't respect authority simply for authority's sake....I am not afraid to joke about anything, and I'm almost never serious, even if I sound like I am....I am constantly laughing, giggling, smiling, etc. - quite obnoxiously...and so on...

    Did I mention that I'm ridiculously introspective? Hah, you'd never have guessed that...

    Wow...who the heck is going to want to read all this? Whether you've read it all (if you're crazy) or just skimmed, I appreciate any thoughts you're able to share. I simply want to get an outside view on the matter. ENTP or INTP? And, if you deem it worthy of mentioning (AKA you've seen a good number of my posts), what are your impressions outside of this rant?

    Oh, dear...

    Well, thank you!
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    Unknown Personality

    This is the problem with this test. It shows what you think of yourself. Not what you really are.

    You should get some words from your friends. To see from the worlds prospective. Not yours.

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    Unknown Personality

    My friends aren't nearly interested enough in this sort of thing to be able to give an accurate description of me. Besides, my personality fluctuates enough that people tend to see varying sides of me, so it depends on the person you ask.

    What I can tell you is that most of my friends would say I'm extroverted because I'm so outspoken about my opinions as well as quite crazy given the right environment. Then again, they don't see me for the hours and hours that I spend sitting in front of my computer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by agokcen View Post
    My friends aren't nearly interested enough in this sort of thing to be able to give an accurate description of me. Besides, my personality fluctuates enough that people tend to see varying sides of me, so it depends on the person you ask.

    What I can tell you is that most of my friends would say I'm extroverted because I'm so outspoken about my opinions as well as quite crazy given the right environment. Then again, they don't see me for the hours and hours that I spend sitting in front of my computer.
    I sit hours and hours in front of my computer and I am an extravert? I break the laws of physics!
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    It seems like you're enough of an E to qualify. The E and I are the most vague and probably least useful of the 4 letters. It can be about level of shyness, or preference, or both. And due to the nature of the questions on the tests, the first letter doesn't really show any deep meaning. I think most of what you wrote has mostly to do with being NTP.

    I give good speeches too. I developed a good speaking voice from being in the Marine Corps, but I don't enjoy giving them. I just don't get anything out of it, regardless of stress. I could get over the anxiety if I practiced it enough, and I've thought about doing that just as self-improvement, but then I ask myself, why would I want to.

    I used to think before speaking all the time, but I've learned to consider my words a bit more these days. I definitely used to be an extrovert up until high school, and maybe even until I was a junior or senior.

    so because of my tendency to like introverts
    Why do you like introverts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerick View Post
    It seems like you're enough of an E to qualify. The E and I are the most vague and probably least useful of the 4 letters. It can be about level of shyness, or preference, or both. And due to the nature of the questions on the tests, the first letter doesn't really show any deep meaning. I think most of what you wrote has mostly to do with being NTP.
    You're right - I did refer to a lot of basic xNTP traits. I know that much, at least, but I figured that I ought to throw everything out there!

    As for E vs. I, I understand that the letters themselves are vague and unimportant, but at this point I'm really looking more at the functions beneath the letters rather than the actual letters, i.e. Ne-Ti-Fe-Si vs. Ti-Ne-Si-Fe.

    Why do you like introverts?
    I find that extroverts bore me after a while - in romantic relationships, that is. They reveal themselves much more quickly; I like the mysteriousness about introverts. It's like having a well-kept secret all to myself...
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    INFP - The Idealists

    You can still be well put socially and be an introvert. Is it more of a show and really thought out or does it come more naturally. I guess I would take a look at your friends. Do you have a lot of friends or acquaintances? Do you like hanging out with them consistently? I know an ENTP personally. Sometimes he can be quiet. Though I've noticed he's a bit of a space invader (without being aware of this). I guess I see that negatively because Im introverted and value my space.
    I think you can ask yourself this question: Do you treasure your time with people more or time with yourself more? If you sway towards one or another even just slightly than maybe that will answer your question.
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    INTP - The Thinkers

    That is a pretty telling sign.

    Are you a space invader, agokcen?
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    INFJ

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerick View Post
    That is a pretty telling sign.

    Are you a space invader, agokcen?
    I thanked you for tripping me out with your avatar...

    BTW, I'm extremely quiet sometimes...my family knows this...I can be EXTREMELY silly and outgoing, and then I can just be serious and kinda to myself >.<
    But I still count myself as an extrovert because I love being around people and I immediately feel like greeting people when they walk into a room...and i feel energized by social activities...but I do spend quite a bit of time alone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerick View Post
    That is a pretty telling sign.

    Are you a space invader, agokcen?


    Damn - caught! Don't shoot....I come in peace!

    *Ahem*

    Anyway, in all seriousness, no. I like personal space. A lot.
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