Yet Another INFJ/INFP Dilemma

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    Unknown Personality

    Yet Another INFJ/INFP Dilemma

    Hey everyone,

    So I am yet another person on a quest to determine whether Iím an INFJ or INFP on the MBTI. Iíve tested as both, and I find most online comparisons of Ni/Ne and Fi/Fe to be very vague and ambiguous, so that hasnít been determinative either. So, as a sort of ďlast resort,Ē Iím going to lay out the way in which my intuiting and feeling functions seem to manifest in the real world, and let you judge my type.

    Intuition: Unless Iím totally exhausted or totally absorbed in an experience (which can be a difficult but satisfying state to attain for me), my mind is constantly running. I view everything as interconnected, as parts of one integrated whole. My vision of this whole is a constant work in progress, which Iím always revising. As I take in new information, Iím constantly (and often unconsciously) comparing it to the information I already have, looking for connections and places where I can fit the new information in. As a result, I have these sudden flashes of insight where Iíll make connections between pieces of information that might initially appear unrelated. I have a tendency to keep these insights to myself at first, although I will sometimes share them with the people Iím comfortable with. When I do, these friends are often amazed at my insights. I do enjoy a good intellectual discussion, though, and occasionally, when Iím comfortable enough with certain intellectual conversation partners, I can get deep enough into the conversation where Iíll have these insights in the midst of discussion. Usually, they tend to come more within the realm of my own thoughts, however. I can spend hours lost in thought mentally exploring a given topic. I can also think quite analytically, evaluating the logical coherence of my ideas. My mind is perhaps best compared to a giant workshop, where Iím constantly tinkering with ideas.

    Feeling: This is where things get messy. I would generally characterize myself as sensitive and empathetic in my relationships with others. I tend to be very sensitive to othersí emotional expressions, and to experience these emotions as my own. If I see someone crying, chances are Iíll cry. Times when Iíve seen others in suffering can haunt me for years. In general, I tend to feel emotions strongly, and have difficulty hiding my emotions from others. In the past, this has created a perverse paradox where Iíll have an emotional outburst thatís disruptive to othersí emotions, and then feel a profound sense of guilt for doing so because of the same sensitivity. Iíve had to learn a lot of self-control in restraining my emotions over the years.
    At the same time, I consider myself to be very much a person of strongly held ethics, and very much a perfectionist. I have a vision of how the world should be, and work to implement it, though I usually do so through diplomacy and influence, choosing my battles carefully. At times, I feel that I can compromise too much for the sake of diplomacy. I do have certain hot-button ethical issues, however, which can trigger intense emotional reactions. Iíve come to realize that these emotions are mostly linked to seeing either my self or others suffering in the past. The anger or sadness I feel because of the perceived ethical violation in front of me actually comes from the experience of seeing someone hurt by the same behavior months or years ago.
    As a result of all this, I tend to be perceived as very caring and nurturing of others, and I often naturally gravitate toward one-on-one mentorship roles in the lives of people who are my age or younger. Iíve even been described as ďfatherlyĒ by people only a few years younger than me. I tend to try to keep a balance between listening and giving advice in such relationships. The secret, ďdark sideĒ of this is that I have a strong desire to control othersí behavior, which Iíll often have to either suppress for the sake of best caring for the other person or reconcile with the fact that ultimately people make their decisions. Itís an odd combination of wanting whatís best for people and wanting to hold them to high standards while realizing that often a light touch is what they need the most.

    Well, that was an essay of a post. So, what do you think?



  2. #2
    Unknown Personality

    Ah! First to post, and First post! How exciting. I've been lurking here for a couple weeks now, so I'm not the best at typing, but here's my two cents. You sound like an INFP to me.

    My vision of this whole is a constant work in progress, which I’m always revising. As I take in new information, I’m constantly (and often unconsciously) comparing it to the information I already have, looking for connections and places where I can fit the new information in. As a result, I have these sudden flashes of insight where I’ll make connections between pieces of information that might initially appear unrelated.
    This sounds like Ne/Si

    I’ve come to realize that these emotions are mostly linked to seeing either my self or others suffering in the past. The anger or sadness I feel because of the perceived ethical violation in front of me actually comes from the experience of seeing someone hurt by the same behavior months or years ago.
    This is definitely Fi.

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    ENTJ - The Executives

    I'd say INFP, considering you like to take care of people so tenderly; Ni is actually very strong in this personality type (2nd most powerful), though you wouldn't know it from the ordering. It's just, when it comes down to it, they can't rely on an FiNi approach because Fi needs external data to work with (where Ne comes in), so from the PoV of everyone else, and in all of your work, you're using FiNe.
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    I think the 2 posters above me must be joking. That first description you gave of your intuition is clearly Ni and not Ne. It's not even close.

    Plus, the feeling function you describe is so clearly Fe. That too is not even close. I read your post and it's so clearly INFJ that I was shocked to read the two responses saying INFP. Baffling.

    You can try out my test (in the signature section of this post) if you want.

    Even the part you describe here:
    I can also think quite analytically, evaluating the logical coherence of my ideas. My mind is perhaps best compared to a giant workshop, where I’m constantly tinkering with ideas.
    That's clearly Ti in the INFJ.

    Pretty much the Intuition section is close to the definition of Ni. You intensely focus on one idea for long periods of time, developing it over time little by little and tweaking it. Ne is more of in a flash. It's more spontaneous. It's kind of like the difference between Se and Si. Si is internalized impressions slowly evolved over a period of time through physical experiences while Se is more in the moment and spontaneous.

    Without a doubt INFJ.
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  6. #5
    INFP - The Idealists

    Quote Originally Posted by eb44345 View Post
    I think the 2 posters above me must be joking. That first description you gave of your intuition is clearly Ni and not Ne. It's not even close.

    Plus, the feeling function you describe is so clearly Fe. That too is not even close. I read your post and it's so clearly INFJ that I was shocked to read the two responses saying INFP. Baffling.

    You can try out my test (in the signature section of this post) if you want.

    Even the part you describe here:

    That's clearly Ti in the INFJ.

    Pretty much the Intuition section is close to the definition of Ni. You intensely focus on one idea for long periods of time, developing it over time little by little and tweaking it. Ne is more of in a flash. It's more spontaneous. It's kind of like the difference between Se and Si. Si is internalized impressions slowly evolved over a period of time through physical experiences while Se is more in the moment and spontaneous.

    Without a doubt INFJ.
    I agree. Also, the part about wanting to control people in a sense, sounds more like aux Fe than inferior Te.

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    The wall of text screams INFP...
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  8. #7
    Unknown Personality

    Alright, I'll admit maybe my judgement was too hasty, but I don't think your overly arrogant analysis really proves me wrong either. There isn't really too much solid evidence in the post to go on, I was just voicing my view, and as I mentioned, I am new to this.

    I'd say INFP, considering you like to take care of people so tenderly; Ni is actually very strong in this personality type (2nd most powerful), though you wouldn't know it from the ordering. It's just, when it comes down to it, they can't rely on an FiNi approach because Fi needs external data to work with (where Ne comes in), so from the PoV of everyone else, and in all of your work, you're using FiNe.
    I happen to relate to this. I don't particularly understand why, but I've noticed this trend in myself and other INFPs. When I take tests that measure my cognitive functions, I've gotten Fi>Ni>Ne>Si>Te. Sometimes Ne scores higher, but they are usually very close. I feel like I kinda identify with Ni and Ne, but all in all I'm quite bad at planning long-term. Just some food for thought.

    I view everything as interconnected, as parts of one integrated whole. My vision of this whole is a constant work in progress, which Iím always revising. As I take in new information, Iím constantly (and often unconsciously) comparing it to the information I already have, looking for connections and places where I can fit the new information in. As a result, I have these sudden flashes of insight where Iíll make connections between pieces of information that might initially appear unrelated.
    Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this part described pretty well how an extroverted perceiver works. Taking in information and making connections comparing old information sounds a lot like how I use Ne and Si, but perhaps this can also be applied to Ni. Sudden flashes and making connections between external objects however reminds me of Ne.

    I can also think quite analytically, evaluating the logical coherence of my ideas. My mind is perhaps best compared to a giant workshop, where Iím constantly tinkering with ideas.
    That's clearly Ti in the INFJ.
    I don't know why you would automatically attribute this to an INFJ's tertiary function. This could be either introverted judging function. Fi can appear very similar to Ti, even though they work with very different systems. It is rational and therefore, logical to the user. I would also sooner attribute this to a dom/aux function, than go straight to tertiary.

    This is where things get messy. I would generally characterize myself as sensitive and empathetic in my relationships with others. I tend to be very sensitive to othersí emotional expressions, and to experience these emotions as my own. If I see someone crying, chances are Iíll cry. Times when Iíve seen others in suffering can haunt me for years. In general, I tend to feel emotions strongly, and have difficulty hiding my emotions from others. In the past, this has created a perverse paradox where Iíll have an emotional outburst thatís disruptive to othersí emotions, and then feel a profound sense of guilt for doing so because of the same sensitivity. Iíve had to learn a lot of self-control in restraining my emotions over the years.
    Most of this may describe either Fi or Fe, but the bolded reminded me of a little inferior Te outburst, and consequential Fi guilt.

    At the same time, I consider myself to be very much a person of strongly held ethics, and very much a perfectionist. I have a vision of how the world should be, and work to implement it, though I usually do so through diplomacy and influence, choosing my battles carefully. At times, I feel that I can compromise too much for the sake of diplomacy.
    describes any NF but maybe slightly more Fe oriented

    I do have certain hot-button ethical issues, however, which can trigger intense emotional reactions. Iíve come to realize that these emotions are mostly linked to seeing either my self or others suffering in the past. The anger or sadness I feel because of the perceived ethical violation in front of me actually comes from the experience of seeing someone hurt by the same behavior months or years ago.
    This pretty much defines Fi. Having strong personal values that can trigger some inferior Te. Putting yourself in someone's shoes and connecting on an individual level, empathizing, is usually related to Fi.

    As a result of all this, I tend to be perceived as very caring and nurturing of others, and I often naturally gravitate toward one-on-one mentorship roles in the lives of people who are my age or younger. Iíve even been described as ďfatherlyĒ by people only a few years younger than me. I tend to try to keep a balance between listening and giving advice in such relationships. The secret, ďdark sideĒ of this is that I have a strong desire to control othersí behavior, which Iíll often have to either suppress for the sake of best caring for the other person or reconcile with the fact that ultimately people make their decisions. Itís an odd combination of wanting whatís best for people and wanting to hold them to high standards while realizing that often a light touch is what they need the most.
    I think this can describe either Fi or Fe, but I'll admit I might have glazed over the bolded part, which relates to Fe. Fi has no desire to control people, but it does want to support people. Sometimes when someone is talking to me about a problem, I have a strong desire to tell them my competing counter perspective, to make them consider something else, but never pull strings and manipulate a person. I've often felt like I've had the means to be manipulative, but never the heart. As OP said, usually all I can do is give people a light nudge in the right direction.


    Woah! Now that was a long post. Basically, I now think there's enough evidence here for both sides, and I wasn't "joking" in my original analysis. Or maybe we should all just blindly follow the Ni dom, it's never lead anyone wrong before! It's not like no one projects themselves on others around here, or like anyone can agree on anything around here anyways. I think seeking a deeper understanding of the cognitive functions will help OP decide, because INFPs and INFJs are complete opposites, but I now see why people always mix them up. They can appear similar. It's not like this is a hard science.

    The wall of text screams INFP...
    ....(#0_o#)
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    INFP - The Idealists

    I definitely think INFJ as well. I can't believe others thought INFP! I think there is ample evidence.

    As an INFP who has thought about my use of functions a lot, I didn't see myself in the description of your intuitive process at all. It sounded like a completely foreign process to me. You seem like you look for connections, and look to link things together so they form more cohesive patterns. I think that's definitely Ni. In contrast, I tend to spend my time thinking of possibilities, and my musings rarely end with conclusions. It's just new idea after new idea, without really fitting them into anything structured. I stumble upon connections, more than seek them out, and then store them in the back of my mind to make logical sense of later. Further, I don't think about logic inside my head very well. I'm notorious for saying things like, "listen to me, I need to think this out", when I need to come to a solid rational conclusion. The fact that you do this best in your own head seems like Ti to me.

    I tend to be very sensitive to others’ emotional expressions, and to experience these emotions as my own. If I see someone crying, chances are I’ll cry. Times when I’ve seen others in suffering can haunt me for years. In general, I tend to feel emotions strongly, and have difficulty hiding my emotions from others.
    This is absolutely Fe! Both INFJ and INFP are emotionally sensitive types, but the fact that your sensitivity is so strongly linked to the emotions of others and less to how you independently feel, or how you think others perceive you, definitely seems like an extroverted function. I would never in a million years say I experience others emotions as my own -- crucially, in order for me to feel empathy for people, I have to take the step of imagining (Ne) what I would feel like in their situation. If I don't do that, it doesn't matter if they're in tears in front of me, I will not feel more than discomfort. I feel bad, yes, but someone crying in front of me will only make me cry if I eventually feel bad enough that I'm letting this happen to them, because I can't figure out what to do. "Feelings others' emotions" is not at all what Fi is about.

    I have a vision of how the world should be, and work to implement it
    Again, so INFJ! As an INFP, I would put it more like: I have dreams of what the world could be, and work to get a little bit closer to it.

    PS: I know some pretty verbose INFJs, so that's not a clue at all. ;)
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  10. #9
    Unknown Personality

    Thank you all for the replies! I'm leaning toward INFJ at present.

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    INFP - The Idealists

    This all sounds so Ni and Fe to me. You are certainly an INFJ without a doubt! I agree with what the other people who said INFJ have posted.


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