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  1. #1
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Help With Typing, Please

    Okay, so I've done quite a bit of self-research before joining here and the more I do so, the more it points to INFJ. I'm fairly certain this is most likely my type, but I'd like all of your opinions as well so I can get outside perspectives. Thank you very much!

    ETA: I thought I'd add that the cognitive functions I identify with most are Ni and Fe, although I'm not so sure about the Fe anymore. The functions that I don't quite "get" are Fi, Ne, and Si.

    1. When working on a project where do you place your emphasis? the process of putting it together? or the final product? (Do you experiment with your perspectives to create ideas?
    Overall, my focus is on the final product, but that certainly doesn't mean that I don't think the process of putting it together is unimportant. I do enjoy doing a sort of "plug and play" to see what will happen while said project is still in the process ("If I do this, what will happen?" or "I think this will happen when I try it, so let's see if I'm right..."), but it isn't always necessary. I do go nuts when I cannot tie up loose ends and when I see a flaw in my project after it's finished (more the former than the latter). The final product is what I will be sharing with others and I want it to be the best that I can possibly do because I do not see any point in critiquing my work if it is not my best.

    2. Are you a realist? Are you more of a no nonsense type of person? (I find these people like to call bullshit on everything)
    I don't generally take $h*t from people. I will call b*ll$h*t on someone if I feel that doing so can make a difference or if it's on something important, but don't call it on everything I see because I've been known to unintentionally hurt others. And yes, I do consider myself a realist.

    3. Would you say you make decisions quickly? or do you take a while coming to a conclusion, because you hope you're not missing some vital information that will change your mind?
    I usually get an initial hunch about how I should decide something and I like it when a decision is finalized in an orderly fashion. I am all for making educated decisions, though, so unless I am absolutely, positively sure about something, I'll learn more about it before I decide. I often feel very troubled when I cannot or have to really, really procrastinate a final decision. For instance, I'm going crazy because I am not sure what I would like to be my final major in college once I'm done with General Studies, but I don't want to make a decision that I'll regret.

    4. Do you ever experience nostalgia? For instance being able to completely remember a mood of a past experience/time?
    Yes, I'm fairly nostalgic.

    5. Are you of the rebellious sort? The sort who rebels for no reason other than to rebel against authority?
    I respect authority as long as it is reasonable and competent. I prefer to question authority rather than blindly follow it, but I'm cooperative for the most part and it really bugs me when the authority shows dislike of my asking questions. I can be rebellious, but not in an overt way. I'm quietly rebellious and will find ways to get around or overcome the authority in such a way that they don't really notice until it's too late for them to react effectively. I will only become overtly rebellious when pushed to the extreme or when I feel that it will be effective.

    6. When watching a film and critiquing it? Do you critique it based on details in the film, for instance on how you thought a certain portion of it was un-realistic (or something along those lines) or based on the idea or point they were trying to get across/how well they got it across? (It can be a combination of both sometimes too)
    I do both, although it's more the latter than the former. I am especially bothered when the main ideas behind the movie are not terribly realistic.

    7. When debating with others, do you ever get the feeling or state for that matter, that you can see where your opponent is coming from? For instance I have gotten into arguments over things I honestly don't believe (or could care less if it were true), but it all started when someone would tell me about a certain topic and how this certain stance is stupid.
    Absolutely. This happens to me all the time, even when I do not agree. I can quite easily understand where someone is coming from and I put great importance on looking from different perspectives because I like to relate to others as well as learn from them. One thing that I think is odd about me is that when I am showing someone that I understand their point of view, I will come up with ideas to contribute to their side just as much as I try to do with my own. It really weirds people out, but they seem to respect and like me for it. If I do not initially understand a certain viewpoint, I will make an effort at getting beyond that.

    8. Do you notice symbols in the world, do you ever try and wrap the symbol back to an idea that you believe?
    I do this a lot, but I had to do a lot of introspection in order to realize this because I don't do it consciously. It's difficult for me to explain...

    9. Are you hurt by criticisms? Do you get personally offended when people try and criticize you? or are you thick skinned?
    If the criticism is not constructive, then yes, especially if it comes from someone I care about or admire/respect. If I get criticized by someone I barely know or a random stranger than I don't particularly care as much unless I feel that it is grounded.

    10. Say for example your learning about cameras in school, would you be more inclined to go home right away and read a whole shit load on cameras so you feel confident in your knowledge of cameras? or would you feel perfectly comfortable when the teacher calls on people to come try it out, to just hop up there and start using it?
    Reading as much as possible about cameras seems rather excessive, but I wouldn't be completely comfortable with going cold turkey, either. I would read just enough to give me a nice overview and then I'd be fine with doing the demonstration.

    11. When you are out do you worry about how people will interpret any action you take? (sort of in a seinfeld sort of way, where they over analyze actions people make, trying to find their true motivation) Do you feel a sort of pressure from this?
    I do my best not to offend anyone and I always try to be polite and respectful to everyone, but if they read too much into my kindness then that is their fault, not mine. I am upset if my actions are misinterpreted, but I remind myself that I did my best to do my part and that I am not responsible for how they respond to me.

    12. In a classroom setting do you ever find yourself helping other people out with projects or homework when you see their struggling? Do you do this to make yourself feel more comfortable?
    I might notice another person struggling, but I will not offer help unless they ask for it. I am shy and I do not want to accidentally insult them and I do not want to look like I'm applying for the position of Teacher's Pet (I do not like being a Teacher's Pet). If someone approaches me askinf for help, I will be more than happy to give them a hand. I feel good when someone asks me for help, but I feel even better that I have made them happy by helping them.

    13. Do you find yourself ranting to your friends about how a certain something could have been done way easier? Or how someone went about doing something (anything like a project,work,etc.) was really stupid and you could have done it way better and in a more simple fashion?
    Yes, but only if I know I won't unintentionally hurt someone. It drives me crazy when I see an easier process or solution to a problem. Even when I am trying to be polite and helpful, people will gnerally get annoyed with me and call me some variation of smart @$$.

    14. How does your average day go in general?
    Uneventful Days: Eat, clean, go for walks, run errands, play games, read, draw, or hang with friends if it's already been planned.
    On College Days: College, homework, reading... Nothing particularly interesting.

    15. What things do you value the most?
    Imagination, creativity, intelligence, competence, empathy, compassion, patience, understanding, integrity, and humor. Oh, and individuality, too. There are probably more, but I can't think of them at the moment.

    16. What things regularly bug you?
    Ignorance, incompetence, narrow-mindedness, judgmental people, manipulative people, cruelty, people who don't listen or dismiss my ideas/feelings, shallowness, liars, people who are obviously "fake," hypocrisy, being interrupted while I'm speaking, having my intelligence insulted,... I could go on but I won't.

    17. What do you value most in other people and what qualities do you find most repulsive in others?
    See questions 15 and 16.

    18. How do you evaluate people in general?
    I try to look at their intentions first (I get "vibes" from them), and then I observe their actions and see how they match up. I usually trust the vibes I get, but I know I shouldn't solely rely on them because it can be unfair, so I prefer to check to see whether I'm right or not. If I'm not in the mood for evaluating people, they just "are" to my perspective. I can't really explain this well...

    19. How do you arrive at your decisions?
    I usually get these feelings where I know what my final decision will be, but I will do a little research and ask for others' opinions when I feel it is appropriate. If it's a particularly difficult decision, I will make a Pros and Cons list and evaluate it that way. I try to make decisions that will be beneficial to everyone who is affected by it, but there are times when I need to make sacrifices...

    20. What factors are you most likely to pay attention to when deciding on things?
    How others will feel about it, whether it makes sense/is logical to do it, how I feel about it, why I should be doing it a certain way, and whether it will be of any use.

    21. Any peculiarities that you have noticed about your personality?
    I love listening to debates, but my debating skills are not to my standards. I have a hard time participating in debates in real life because I feel that I never have enough time to think about my responses. When I pause, I often get interrupted and it drives me up a wall because people are jumping to conclusions or telling me something I was about to say before I could finish my thoughts. For example, I will make a statement about something, pause and elaborate on it, pause some more, and elaborate more. Others usually immediately respond to my statement before I can give a better explanation, which can lead to misinterpretation of what I think. No one usually means any harm by it, so I try not to get too annoyed when it happens.

    22. Anything that makes you stand out from other people that you know?
    I am articulate and intelligent and I make an effort to be insightful. I listen far more than I speak and am quite diplomatic. I also act older than I actually am. :D People often come to me for advice, even if it's about something I don't have a lot of experience with.

    23. What do you yourself think are your strengths and weaknesses?
    Strengths: Compassion, kindness, empathy, intelligence, eloquence, creativity, imagination, open-mindedness, good listener, I'm focused, patience, passion about my ideas, artistic, can handle stress surprisingly well, etc.
    Weakness: Being self-critical, perfectionism, hiding my feelings or parts of myself from others, I seldom ask for help, I sometimes ignore my own feelings, sensitivity, I'm not always paying attention to the real world, math anxiety, it gets ugly when I get depressed, being headstrong. Oh, and I can be too nice to people and I'm self-sacrificing to a fault. I hate it when I obviously see something coming but choose to ignore it for the sake that I could be wrong and it winds up hurting me in the end.

    I am aware that some things are a bit vague, so if there is anything that you would like me to elaborate on or if you have further questions, please feel free to let me know in your replies. I hope this will be sufficient enough.
    Last edited by HerSquirreliness; 01-21-2011 at 10:26 PM.



  2. #2
    ISFJ - The Nurturers

    I didn't read through the whole thing, but it sounded rather INTJ. I didn't see much evidence for F. Although you did say that you try to be polite and not hurt people's feelings, a T could (and maybe should) also care about what other people think and try their best not to hurt others (even if truth does win over tact).

  3. #3
    ISFP - The Artists

    I only scanned through, but ENTJ?
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  5. #4
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Thanks, everyone! :) I find your conclusions very interesting... It definitely gives me more to introspect on. I have indeed considered that I might be an INTJ/ENTJ, but I always thought of myself as more of a Feeler than a Thinker, but maybe you all can help me sort this out because perhaps there was something I missed or I am misunderstanding something about the cognitive functions. I might be mistaking one cognitive function for another, which doesn't surprise me because I'm still quite new to all of this.

    I'll attempt to describe myself a little more. Beware, there probably will be contradictions! Ha ha.

    I am pretty sure I can rule extroversion out for the most part. The place I usually feel the most lonely is in a room full of people and being around them far too long saps the energy right out of me. I usually feel lonely because I feel that many, many people tend to not "get" me, even when I "get" them and I can only enjoy talking about normal things only for so long before I want to talk about deeper things. When I am in a group of people, I often feel very overwhelmed because I feel uncomfortable with paying attention to so many people at once and I do much better with one-on-one interaction. I will often withdraw from others if the emotional state is highly stressful. If I don't like someone, I will avoid interacting with them as much as possible, even if they are related to me and people tell me I should "be with 'the family' more often."

    I like to keep myself at a certain distance from others, even those close to me. I am terrified of being hurt because I feel very vulnerable when I am presenting my ideas and feelings to others. I am a very emotional person and it is quite difficult for me to hide my emotions, even though I still try to do so. My face is very expressive and one can get the gist of what I'm feeling/thinking just by looking at my face. When things get really, really bad, I can suck it all up and not show anything and I prefer to express my strong negative emotions alone because I often feel embarrassed and vulnerable about showing them around other people.

    Speaking of emotions, I am often overwhelmed by them and I cry very, very easily. If someone who is very (my boyfriend and parental figures, yes, my other friends, not as much) close to me so much as yells at me, whether their intentions be good or bad, it can make me burst into tears even if I understand why they were yelling at me. I really dislike feeling so out of control and vulnerable when I express strong emotions. The other big thing that makes me cry is lots and lots of stress (unless it is extreme, like I mentioned above), I will crack under all of the pressure and sob. I also get really upset when I see other people who are close to me yelling at each other in a heated argument. I really want to make them stop, but when it gets that bad, I don't interfere because it is too overwhelming and I will have to retreat because I'll get even more upset if I don't. I usually understand why they are arguing and where both sides are coming from, but I will admit that I'll think getting extremely worked up about it to be, um... unnecessary and that it could be more easily avoided by better communication (it really depends on the situation, though, so this is just a general thing...).

    I am very in-tune with what others are feeling. If someone close (friend, close relative) is talking about something that is bringing them to the point of tears, it is very difficult for me not to cry, too (I try my hardest not to). When someone is happy, I will feel the same way because that is what they're feeling. I love to do things that make others happy and show how much I care about them. People tell me that I am very easy to talk to and they trust me not to tell their secrets. I try to get along with everyone and don't have many enemies.

    Now that I think about it, though, I don't often don't express how much I love and care about people in words, spoken or written. It is very difficult for me to use the phrase "I love you," because it doesn't convey enough for me for one thing, and for another, I have had people tell me that they loved me and didn't truly mean it. "I love you," is IMO, one of the biggest lies others have told to me and I will say it to someone else ONLY if I truly mean it.

    Although sometimes I am not so considerate about the emotions of others, even when I try to be tactful. When people manage to actually piss me off (which is quite rare), I throw my compassion and politeness out the window until someone else convinces me to calm down and gently coax it back in through the door.

    The following is me at my worst/meanest as far as I know. XD I was quite young then and I understand things better than I did back then and I'm better at keeping my emotions and mouth in check, but I think the same general pattern still applies to the few who piss me off.

    When someone pisses me off to this point, I will say things that are, um, truthful that will be quite upsetting to most. I have this cousin that I used to dislike because she treated her peers, including me, like absolute dirt and got away with it. All of the adult figures completely ignored this and got mad at any of the kids, including me, for getting upset with her for treating us like crap and getting us in trouble for stuff she did. It disgusted me that she actually enjoyed hurting everyone and acted like she was better. It got the the point where I couldn't take that anymore and one day I told her she was a a b*tch right to her face because it was the truth and no one else was going to tell her. XD She burst into tears and ran away to tell on me and when the adults found me, got mad, and demanded I apologize to her, I refused until she apologized for being cruel to others.

    The gist of the conversation was something similar to this:
    Adult: Go apologize to your cousin now!
    Me: No, not until she apologizes for her actions first.
    Adult: Do you think that was very nice for you to call her a b*tch?
    Me: No, I know it isn't nice. I accept any punishment for what I said, but I will not apologize.
    Adult: But you hurt her feelings.
    Me: Well, I'd certainly want to know if I was being a b*tch, even if it hurt my feelings.
    Adult: But she's your cousin!
    Me: So? She needed to hear it because being nice to her no matter what doesn't work and I'm sick of being her kick toy.
    Adult: (Shocked) But family is supposed to get along and be happy. You don't call your family members those sorts of things! (Angry) Go take back what you said to her now!
    Me: It's the truth. I refuse to take back the truth.
    Adult: Well, don't you think YOU were being a b*tch to her by saying that?
    Me: (Nods calmly.) Yes.
    Adult: (Frustrated silence.) Go apologize, or face the consequences of what you've done.
    Me: No.
    Adult: Fine, then you're grounded.
    Me: (Casually shrugs it off) Okay. (Goes off to find quiet, unnoticeable things to do that defy being grounded for being honest.)

    I haven't seen my cousin in ages and I want to apologize for what I said now. Every time I saw her after that one day, she always looked at me with a sort of terrified light in her eyes. She left me alone after that and wasn't nearly as much as a pain to my cousins and sister.

    I don't think the way I acted was terribly Fe...

    I don't know now. I'm pretty confused. I've never really thought of myself as a terribly logical person and those who are close to me see me as more of a Fe-type of person. I CAN appear to be logical (especially with mechanical things; I'm the tech support for my friends/family), but that logic is nothing, say, compared to my boyfriend, who can logic-pwn most people.

    Oh crap, I have somewhere I need to be soon. I hope that contributes. I'll be doing way more introspection now because I seem to have a somewhat distorted view my emotions/feelings vs. thinking.

    I'm sorry if that was ramble-y, but writing it out actually helped me realize some things. Any further input will be much appreciated!

    I shall return!

    ETA: I found this survey and I thought answering some more questions might be helpful for you all as well as myself. As much as I hate repeating myself, there are some things that I have already stated above that I have included in the following answers just to keep things clear.

    1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?

    While I am aware that I am the only person who decides my type in the end, I feel that I need other perspectives on the matter because they may see something that I have initially overlooked.

    I find it very interesting that I somehow come across as more of a Thinker than a Feeler in the answers I have received so far. I know people who are much more logical than me, but I am aware that to people I don't know well I appear to be a logical person. I know that Thinkers have emotions like everyone else, I just never thought of myself as a Thinker because of my emotionally expressive face and because I cry more often than I feel I should. I feel like a walking contradiction because among my friends I am known for being kind, patient, and encouraging but yet I can do things that people who don't have a general idea of my situation see as cruel and cold. You see, I walked right out of my abusive relatives' household without so much as an explanation, argument, or forewarning and the people who only heard about the part where I walked out on my "family" to live on my own with my boyfriend and refused any sort of contact with my relatives remarked about how cold and inconsiderate I was being (and no, those statements did not offend me because I can understand why they think that way).

    Could it be possible that I have been conditioned to be more of a Feeler simply because I am female? I was also abused by some of my family members when I was a child and I am also wondering how this could have an effect on my personality type? Are there any emotional Thinkers out there? Or do I just make good use of my Thinking function (I'm not sure if it is Te or Ti yet...)?

    2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?

    I want to be able to be myself, be able to learn about the things I am interested in, to be able to express my thoughts, feelings, and creative expressions freely without having to worry about being hurt by others, to explore the world more (intellectually and physically), to be happy... I don't want children, nor do I want a high paying job (I'll only take a high paying job if it is something I am interested in). I also want to be able to maintain a supportive family group that I know I can rely on, will respect and accept me for who I am, and encourage me when I get down on myself.

    3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.

    Uh... I haven't reached that yet. The one time that comes close to this was when I was doing the Summer Bridge program through my local Upward Bound. I was taking classes in the summer semester and getting As all of them when the other students in the program were not. I had nice schedule that gave me sufficient time to do coursework and study if I needed to, do a lot of leisure reading, and socialize with my small group of friends. I asked a lot of questions in my classes and did my best to make a valuable contribution to any class discussions or activities. I was assertive of my needs (I am visually impaired) to my professors. I was even so enthusiastic about one particular class that I did some external reading/research to discuss with one of my professors. I got all of my work done on time and there was minimal procrastination. I was away from my annoying relatives most of the time and it felt great to be on my own and in control of my life (mostly). I didn't feel depressed or stressed out during that one summer either, which is one of the things that I liked best.

    4) What makes you feel inferior?

    Sometimes I feel inferior because my logic isn't as good as I feel it should be. My debate skills are not as developed as I think they should be and I have a hard time debating about things that I feel very strongly about because it's like I let my emotions can cause inaccurate conclusions. I respect and admire passion in one's beliefs, but it bothers me when debates get too emotional. At this point I can only debate things that I do not have strong feelings about because I can stay cool-headed. I need more practice! I also feel inferior because of how emotional and sensitive I can be sometimes which lets my emotions get in the way of my conclusions/decisions. Sometimes I feel like I am inferior to everyone else and I think it has to do with the abusive family situation I used to live in. Most of my blood family members bullied me when I was my most vulnerable which made me feel like I was absolute dirt.

    5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)

    It depends on the decision and who is involved. If it will affect others then yes I do consider others. I like to make a Pros and Cons list and then evaluate how I feel about it. See my first post.

    6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?

    The final product. See my first post.

    7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?

    Um... Fun? I like reading and research. Those are fun. I also like to discuss deep things with close people. I suck at debates (hopefully that will change), but I do enjoy having small, friendly debates and just because I don't always participate in them doesn't mean I don't like to listen. Ummm... I don't always think of things in terms of "fun," even if I enjoy them. XD Oh, and I like cuddling. Cuddling is fun. (And no, I am NOT using that as a euphemism; cuddling is cuddling so get your minds out of the gutter.)

    8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theorize, to memorize, etc)

    I do a little of each, but I think I theorize the most. Memorization can bore me to death sometimes even if I do do it sometimes. As for hands-on, I am very picky when it comes to what it's about. I'm pretty good at putting theory into practice if it is something that I am interested in.

    9) How organized do you to think of yourself as?

    Between 1-10 (1 being the lowest and 10 being the highest)
    I'm guessing about a 7, maybe 8. I like do-do lists, shopping lists, Pros and Cons lists, my journal blog, calendars, and chore schedules/charts. I don't always keep up with them, but I am happy when I do. When I live by myself, my living space is clean and orderly so things are easy for me to find. I will alphabetize books (and other media) and then separate them into paperback or hardcover shelves. It is very important for things to be where I put them and I will freak out if I can't find them. I think being visually impaired does have an effect on this. I like to make plans about what I am going to do today (even if they are not super-specific). I get annoyed with my friends if they make plans to do things at the last minute or decide to do things on a whim when it interferes with my plans.

    I do not like to clean up after others, though. I am not your mommy and I expect you to clean up after yourself. My house is not as clean as I want it to be because when I clean my boyfriend freaks out because he keeps things in a strange orderly chaos that I do not understand.

    I do not have time to answer the rest of the questions right now because I really should go to bed. I'll post the other half of this survey later on.
    Last edited by HerSquirreliness; 01-22-2011 at 02:38 AM.

  6. #5
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Bumpity-bump!

    Here are the rest of the questions. The more I think about my type, the less Fe I think I am (well, I don't think I'm Fe-Dom or Aux).

    10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?

    Um, it really depends on what the subject is, but I think I try to understand the general principles of ideas first to see if they make sense and check for contradictions and such. Then once I have the general principles, I will search for supporting information, especially if I find contradictions or if it still doesn't make sense.

    11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?

    I usually notice if someone is being or feeling left out, but I find it very difficult to approach them to make them feel included if I am not being left out myself. I usually wind up teaming up with whoever else is left out in a group when I'm being left out too and it seems to work out that way. Approaching others is difficult for me unless I am in the right mood.

    I find that it is very important to follow what I believe in (although some of the things I believe in are prone to change, depending on what it is). I often put others before myself, but I find that if I am in a situation where I cannot be me and do not have any means of being myself for a reasonable period of time, I will get severely depressed and then go to the brink of insanity. I am not as assertive of my needs as I should be, but not being allowed to be myself is something that I find very difficult to compromise. I do think the emotions of others, especially the ones I care about, are important, but I could never, ever accept sacrificing being myself for social acceptance. (Now I'm starting to understand Fi...)

    12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?

    i think before speaking. If I don't, I usually wind up saying something stupid or offensive. I will gladly listen to group discussions because they are great for collecting different perspectives, but unless I am in the right mood, I don't speak up often. I prefer one-on-one interactions because I like to be really deep and focused with the discussion without having to worry about being interrupted as much. I always get really stressed out in group discussions and I feel very pressured to contribute more to the conversation. But then again, everyone has really pressured me into being more extraverted whilst shoving Fe down my throat (not that Fe is bad, of course, I just don't think it is one of my preferences and I kind of wish it was).

    13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?

    It depends, but in general I like to know about what I'm getting myself into. I can't stand being too slow, though because I do think that actions speak more than words. You can tell if I don't want to do something when I procrastinate, otherwise I prefer to get tasks done before the deadline.

    14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?

    Well, if my friends call me at the last minute and if I really like the show (I actually dislike most TV), then I'll get a little annoyed at them for not calling me sooner and probably stay home. Otherwise, I see TV as being completely insignificant and I'd go hang with my friends. I'd still be annoyed that they called at the last minute, but I would keep it to myself and remind them to call me a day or two in advance.

    15) How do you act when you're stressed out?

    I will keep it in until I have the chance to vent it all out into my diary or by cleaning the house/organizing stuff. I need to regularly vent my stress in a positive way or else it will become unmanageable. It takes a while before it gets to the point of tolerable, but when it gets to the point where I HAVE to release it I will probably go off by myself where no one can bother me and dispense of it by crying. I hate crying in front of others and it will only happen when the stress gets to where I can't hold my emotions in anymore. I only feel comfortable with crying in front of a carefully-chosen few. If someone I don't want to see me cry happens to catch me, I'll get annoyed and tell them to leave me alone and ignore it.

    16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?

    (Please note that I do not intend to offend anyone. Just because I get annoyed with something doesn't mean it will make me dislike a person entirely and I am aware that most human beings including myself have done these things and we all have our moments. These are the things I get annoyed with, that is all.)

    People who are mean on purpose, people who don't listen to what I have to say (especially if I feel it is important), judgmental/narrow-minded people, people who take every itty-bitty thing personally, liars, whiners, people who think they can get away with treating others like crap, shallow people, people that are constantly late, people who feel the need to shove their opinions down someone else's throat, materialistic people, hypocrites, stupidity, people who aren't honest with themselves (especially people wo think they are competent when they are not), people who talk WAY too much, people who won't give me my own personal space/alone time, people who think that the only acceptable emotion you should have is happy, manipulative people, people who insult my intelligence, etc.

    17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?

    I love Astronomy, cosmology, (my total favorites) and other sciences. Philosophy is also fascinating as well as Art. Oh, and thanks to my boyfriend, I've been really getting into military strategy (especially from earlier eras) I honestly think that most subjects have the potential to be interesting, so yeah... Well, except for gossiping about other people and mindless talk about the opposite sex. Those get me bored really fast and cause me to enter "Smile and Nod" mode.

    18) What kind of things do pay the least attention to in your life

    Sometimes I spend too much time in my head and don't pay enough attention to the physical world, but I'm working on that. I don't pay attention to making lots of acquaintances because I like closer, deeper relationships and doing random stuff without talking about anything deep seriously leaves something to be desired. Everyone pesters me to be an E, but I don't want to be an E. -_- I also do not focus on acquiring lots of money. Extra spending money is nice, but I have never felt drawn to being wealthy except for the pressure to do so from others.

    19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?

    For some reason, I am perceived as being cute and bubbly, which I must say that I find repulsive. My mind is not "cute," it does not work in a "cute" way, and I never felt it has been. But what can you do when you stand at a mighty 5'1" and look several years younger than you actually are. I am a pretty serious person most of the time and I feel that I have deep, insightful thoughts and I can only see the "cute" when I am being silly. I just had to get that off my chest.

    I am the friend that everyone goes to when they're stressed out or want to know more about something because they are aware that I am a good listener and quite a nerd. I don't talk about others from behind their backs and keep quiet, which also causes them to tell me their deep, dark secrets and their various passwords. Oh, and they also seem to think that because I cry easily when I'm stressed out that I am "fragile." Gah, showing emotions can be annoying, but it does not make me fragile (damn you, American culture). If I were fragile, I probably wouldn't be alive right now, be a substance abuser, or I'd be in the loony bin because I would be an extreme mental/emotional wreck. Oh, and just because I cry more than I'd like doesn't mean that I am sheltered.

    I'm not sure about how to answer the rest of the question... Is the question asking about how my friends would not describe my personality or is it asking about the aspects of my personality that my friends would never talk about in front of me?

    I think that's it... I really hope I can get some more input on my personality type.

  7. #6
    ISTJ - The Duty Fulfillers

    Ok, Squirrelness, let's go to my thoughts on the matter.

    You are definitely an INTJ. Even though you think of yourself as a feeler, the amount of importance you place on being independent, competence and logical consistency (I lol'ed at the apologies story) is far too huge to be the same of a feeler. These traits are associated with Te, and I could confirm this especially at the 10th question, by saying 'I'll look to understand the principles of the system, unless I can find a contradiction within it'. The validity of the system comes to you whenever they can hold their ground.

    Then, you displayed dominant intuitive characteristics. Often, when Ni/Ne users answers more open questions, they tend to go and say, before anything, 'It depends'. Ni users will check back in their minds for scenarios where they would behave in a certain way, before telling their answer. Ne users will start telling us of a couple of scenarios where they would behave in a certain way, telling the answer on the fly. You've shown traits of the first, rather than the latter, making me believe you are a Ni dom.

    That information alone could give you off as INTJ. But the same emotionality you display also point us towards Fi. When you talk about your experiences, you talk in terms of how it affected you, rather than how it's affects others. This seems to be obvious, as you're answering questions about yourself, but Fe users will call something bad if it they notice that it's bad for everyone, regardless of oneself. Fi users, on the other hand, will call something bad if they notice that it hurts them before others. That's why Fe users (that hadn't learned to use their Ti too well) are likely to stay at an abusive relationship rather than leave once they feel it's bad for them. Finally, speaking of experience (I'm an INFJ) when I'm noticing a relationship downhill, I start to take measures to make it work, even if those measures are not the best choice for myself. But then, my ISTJ friend (Fi tertiary) seems to rather leave a situation than making himself hurt. If he must take take measures, he'll acquire information and then act towards it in the best way he can find.

    The last function I would have to tell is the Se. And you've talked about it in the 17th and 18th question, by having a profound distaste for small talk regarding real life topics and neglecting the real world interactions by spending too much time in your head imagining your ideas and systems.

    So, just for the reiteration, I think you're probably an INTJ.
    Last edited by Herp; 01-24-2011 at 10:47 PM.
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  8. #7
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Leaves View Post
    Ok, Squirrelness, let's go to my thoughts on the matter.

    You are definitely an INTJ. Even though you think of yourself as a feeler, the amount of importance you place on being independent, competence and logical consistency (I lol'ed at the apologies story) is far too huge to be the same of a feeler. These traits are associated with Te, and I could confirm this especially at the 10th question, by saying 'I'll look to understand the principles of the system, unless I can find a contradiction within it'. The validity of the system comes to you whenever they can hold their ground.

    Then, you displayed dominant intuitive characteristics. Often, when Ni/Ne users answers more open questions, they tend to go and say, before anything, 'It depends'. Ni users will check back in their minds for scenarios where they would behave in a certain way, before telling their answer. Ne users will start telling us of a couple of scenarios where they would behave in a certain way, telling the answer on the fly. You've shown traits of the first, rather than the latter, making me believe you are a Ni dom.

    That information alone could give you off as INTJ. But the same emotionality you display also point us towards Fi. When you talk about your experiences, you talk in terms of how it affected you, rather than how it's affects others. This seems to be obvious, as you're answering questions about yourself, but Fe users will call something bad if it they notice that it's bad for everyone, regardless of oneself. Fi users, on the other hand, will call something bad if they notice that it hurts them before others. That's why Fe users (that hadn't learned to use their Ti too well) are likely to stay at an abusive relationship rather than leave once they feel it's bad for them. Finally, speaking of experience (I'm an INFJ) when I'm noticing a relationship downhill, I start to take measures to make it work, even if those measures are not the best choice for myself. But then, my ISTJ friend (Fi tertiary) seems to rather leave a situation than making himself hurt. If he must take take measures, he'll acquire information and then act towards it in the best way he can find.

    The last function I would have to tell is the Se. And you've talked about it in the 17th and 18th question, by having a profound distaste for small talk regarding real life topics and neglecting the real world interactions by spending too much time in your head imagining your ideas and systems.

    So, just for the reiteration, I think you're probably an INTJ.
    Thank you very much. Your explanations of Ni/Ne and Fi/Fe were very clear and easy to comprehend.

    I now have some questions concerning Fi/Fe:
    When people (particularly those close to me) tell me that I should be or do something and I disagree with it (usually because lack of logical explanation or inconsistencies), I will not want to do it but I feel I should do it. Unless the pressure really gets to me and if it is something that I don't think is a big deal, I will do it even if I don't want to. This is Te+Fi at work, yes?

    Also, if you have Fe as one of your functions, do you feel more drawn to "belong" in a group? Besides my close friends and chosen family, I haven never really felt the need to be socially accepted. Now that I think about it, even when it comes to my close group of people, I feel like I want to be understood than belonging. I am assuming this is Fi at work as well? Most of my wanting to "belong" comes from pressure from others.

    Speaking of pressure from others, sometimes I have been told that I get too concerned with what others think, but it's usually when I am very stressed out and I cannot think clearly. When I am feeling insecure, I'll freak out and think that everything negative that is said about me is "grounded" and I will feel really bad about myself. I think I have somehow managed to think of the above things as Fe, but when I sit back and actually think about it it does not fit the description of Fe. I have noticed that I can go to the extremes of not caring about what others think or feel and being less aware of how I affect them or I get uber-paranoid of what others think.

    An example of the above is when I am cooking. When it comes to measuring ingredients, I am not normally concerned with getting the precise measurement as long as it is in the general vicinity of what the recipe calls for and it has never caused me any problems. Now, I have relatives who would see me doing this and they would act as if not getting the exact measurement for the ingredients was a matter of life and death. They would proceed to pester me into doing it their way because they wanted to follow the recipe exactly. As silly as I thought this was, I eventually gave in just to get them to shut up and now I am trying to get rid of meticulously measuring these sorts of things because it just makes me go bonkers.

    The primary thing that proves to me that I don't have Fe preferences is the fact that tact is one of those things that I had to learn. Even at an early age, I would say something that I thought was true and the adults around me would become angry and accuse me of being mouthy. It sounded hypocritical that the adults wanted me to tell the truth but when I did, I'd get punished for it. The adults would yell at me even more when I'd stay calm and acted like the punishment had no effect on me because in my mind they were exaggerating and getting upset over nothing. Whenever I got in trouble at school, I often got detention for things I said, but I often felt lost as to why I was being punished for it. It took me a long, long time to learn the definition of "smart ass" because whenever I'd ask someone what it meant, they thought that I was being cheeky and thus would not tell me. Heck, I still have my moments where I say something without realizing that it could cause someone to retaliate. My parental units had no idea how to handle my personality when I was young, and they'd become annoyed when I would ask them "Why?" when they told me to do something. "Because that's just the way it is," or "Because I said so," were never good enough for me because they simply did not make sense. I could never explain why they didn't make sense, I just knew it. When a parent failed to give a logical explanation as to why I should be doing something, I'd simply refuse to do it and it all went into a downward spiral from there.

    I cannot believe that I have gone through so much of my life by using logic without even realizing it. -_-

    I think I can appear to be touchy-feely and empathic because my Ni allows me to know how people will react, speak, and feel. I know what will happen and I can thus remain calm and supportive because I have mentally prepared myself for it, even if it upsets me to see someone sad or angry. Whether I will have a strong emotional reaction to someone's sadness or anger is highly dependent on the individual. When someone does unexpectedly become upset, I will immediately get annoyed because it usually feels like the person is overreacting (to me at least), then I will try to understand why they are feeling that way.

    As for Se, it is the INTJ's inferior function, so I am sure none of us are at all surprised that I did not make much mention of it. I somewhat get it, but it still feels unfamiliar to me.

    When I get extremely stressed, I tend to indulge in things. I will do stupid things such as splurge buys even if my funds are so low that I can barely pay the bills or take risks without thinking through them first. This is Se, yes? It is unfortunate that I am the most familiar with it during such negative times and that I don't notice it as much when I am stable and happy. The best I can come up with when I am my normal self is that I eat slowly to actually savor and taste my food rather than wolfing it down, I like to try new things and I will get bored with something if I experience it many times in a row (even if I like it), and that my artwork is quite detailed.

    Now I'm pretty sure that I'm probably an INTJ, butI'm still confused about my tendency to show emotions and be sensitive. This is what most people use to argue that I am an F and not a T. I am aware that MBTI is more about preferences and even though certain types are more likely to have specific characteristics, you probably can't (or more of shouldn't) simply make a checklist of traits and say you are a certain type without going deeper. I have always have suspected that I am an HSP and after reading descriptions of highly sensitive adults and children, I am positive I am one. Could being an HSP be the reason why I am such a weird, emotional INTJ? Bah, INTJs are supposed to be weird so I am going to try not to be too worried about it....

    Please be aware that I am still open to any other type suggestions or input! In fact, more would be great! Thanks in advance!
    Last edited by HerSquirreliness; 01-26-2011 at 06:49 PM.

  9. #8
    INFJ - The Protectors


    Quote Originally Posted by HerSquirreliness View Post
    I now have some questions concerning Fi/Fe:
    When people (particularly those close to me) tell me that I should be or do something and I disagree with it (usually because lack of logical explanation or inconsistencies), I will not want to do it but I feel I should do it. Unless the pressure really gets to me and if it is something that I don't think is a big deal, I will do it even if I don't want to. This is Te+Fi at work, yes?
    Te is the function that wants you to meet outside expectations. It makes you do something if it is demanded from you by the world outside. It makes you feel bad if you don't don't it and feel good if you do complete the task. Te responds to appeals to competence. Fe works similarly but instead it makes you do things to please other people. Fi is the your inner voice that says "I will only do it if I value it as something important for myself". Not thinking something is a big deal is function of Ni which wants you do to something meaningful. So Ni-Fi would want you to do something meaningful in the grand picture of things and something you personally consider would boost your own value in yourself.
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  10. #9
    INTJ - The Scientists

    Thank you. I am still trying to make sense of how my brain works and applying it to the cognitive functions. I've been taking in so much information from here that I haven't had enough time to go off and sift through it all.

    Dang, no wonder I feel so insulted when people question my competence...


     

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