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This is a discussion on [INxP] ¯ Do I think or feel? within the What's my personality type? forums, part of the Personality Cafe category; Originally Posted by Wanderlust94 Ramble on brother! I don't mind the rambling if it helps straighten out your questions. It ...

  1. #111

    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust94 View Post
    Ramble on brother!

    I don't mind the rambling if it helps straighten out your questions. It just sounds like you were projecting the aspects of characters from works of fiction onto people with a supposed similar personality type. @mysterio

    The fictional example stands metaphorically for other situations/people with similar "thickheadedness" (i have no other short description for the moment :-D ), but i love fiction-examples, because nobody gets hurt! It's also nothing "bad" for me, it's more that i can't really identify with such behaviour as illustrated in my examples...

    But i have a question for you @Wanderlust94 :
    I read a lot about that Fi-people and/or INFP have a problem with typing, because it puts people into boxes...what do you think about that?

  2. #112

    Quote Originally Posted by mysterio View Post

    The fictional example stands metaphorically for other situations/people with similar "thickheadedness" (i have no other short description for the moment :-D ), but i love fiction-examples, because nobody gets hurt! It's also nothing "bad" for me, it's more that i can't really identify with such behaviour as illustrated in my examples...

    But i have a question for you @Wanderlust94 :
    I read a lot about that Fi-people and/or INFP have a problem with typing, because it puts people into boxes...what do you think about that?
    I can't speak for others, but I went through phases with how I view "typing". Long story short, yes. I believe typing can hinder growth because people become complacent when they get categorized into a group. At worst, it creates stereotypes about behaviors and even unhealthy group think. I've met some of the nicest people on the INFP subforum, but I've also seen people who get on their and tell someone they are not a "true" INFP because they may have showed agression or extroverted behavior in their post. I've also seen INTPs attacked and told that they are uncaring and selfish hedonists. I've seen examples for all types. I'm amazed at how people can stereotype entire types at times.

  3. #113

    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust94 View Post
    I can't speak for others, but I went through phases with how I view "typing". Long story short, yes. I believe typing can hinder growth because people become complacent when they get categorized into a group. At worst, it creates stereotypes about behaviors and even unhealthy group think. I've met some of the nicest people on the INFP subforum, but I've also seen people who get on their and tell someone they are not a "true" INFP because they may have showed agression or extroverted behavior in their post. I've also seen INTPs attacked and told that they are uncaring and selfish hedonists. I've seen examples for all types. I'm amazed at how people can stereotype entire types at times.
    Yeah...i don't think these people you speak of need types to behave...as they do...
    I asked, because it's often said that Fi-doms are more or less against typing and Fe- and Ti-Doms love it...do you think there is such a generalisation?

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  5. #114
    INFJ


    Quote Originally Posted by mysterio View Post

    Yeah, it's (often) about heroes, who start charging without thinking, because these heroes believe very hard, that they were absolutely right about something and start "crusading" without a doubt or thinking twice...the function that matches closest with these stereotypes is Fi for me, an inner value, which doesn't have to be "proofed" by any means

    examples:
    I think i have issues with people who make fun of other people's dreams. I don't think it's ok to judge somebody about his dreams how ridicolous they may seem.

    • So, this could be a value of mine (Fi).
    • But it also could be logical, because if everybody would follow his dreams...he would concentrate on his strengh...and if everybody would try to find his strengh and apply them to the world it would be highly effective and logical indeed to solve a lot of problems! (Ti)


    Or another example from my life:
    • I skipped my teaching-career (primary-school), because at least it felt right at that time and it didn't made much sense at all...especially in the middle of my second practice-year (a few months before the end). But i made of my mind and thought: Yeah, teaching was never a dream or something like that, you never get passionate about this either AND you always said teaching is something you had to live for...so it's not right if you only do this because it's paid quite good and you have security. So...a value-issue (Fi)
    • BUT...perhaps the core-problem was, that i wasn't good at what i did as a job. I got critised very often and didn't have much confidence in my performances either. So, in the end, it was quite logical to skip something i wasn't good at! (Ti) I think this was the core-problem, because i would have stayed in the job when i would have been more competent at it...whether i had these values or not.


    I hope my point/problem get's a little bit clearer?



    Yeah. That's quite funny, because i am the same... I really CAN'T play the super-bad-villain (i really can't...mostly because destroying everybody and everything often is quite stupid! )...i often play the hero OR the grey-trickster-like-guy with a heart of gold.

    What do you think about my ramblings? :-)
    @Wanderlust94
    First of all this stereotyped version of Fi a crusader that that charges or marches for a cause or whatever, actually sounds more like Fe than Fi. I think a lot of people get Fi confused with Fe because both functions involve strong values, and I think this is why I often mistook myself for an INFP. The difference is Fe users tend to want to engage others in their values; Fe users are more likely to be a lot more vocal when it comes to values because to a Fe user, values are objective. For a Fi user, however, values are more subjective.

    What you said about hating people that crush other peoples' dreams sounds very Fi to me. Anything that has to do with suppressing another person's right to be an individual tends to be a very sensitive issue to Fi users, as Fi users, especially Fi-doms tend to be very individualistic, and wouldn't want others to suppress their individuality.

    As for the second example, you made a decision based on what "felt right" to you; that also sounds like Fi. I find Fi users tend make a lot of decisions because it feels right or it suits them, somehow. As for the kind of job you left teaching for, I think what you got critized for will say a lot about your type, because certain types of criticisms will bring our sensitivities via the inferior function. If the criticism was task oriented, then you probably have inferior Te (thus Fi dom) because you're probably sensitive to that kind of criticism. If the criticism has to do with your people skills, than probably inferior Fe (thus Ti dom).

    I think being a trickster type is often associated with Ne, because Ne users tend to want to interact with the outside world in new and innovative ways, which often comes across as playful and mischievous.

  6. #115

    Quote Originally Posted by mysterio View Post
    Yeah...i don't think these people you speak of need types to behave...as they do...
    I asked, because it's often said that Fi-doms are more or less against typing and Fe- and Ti-Doms love it...do you think there is such a generalisation?
    I think most veterans of this site learn eventually that there are so many variations in behaviors and thoughts that not even 1 of 10 with a similar personality type will be exactly the same. I've seen an upsurge of this in the INFP forum. They are getting tired of being sterotyped. As for the NT forums, I haven't been in awhile, but from what I have seen, they don't take the typing thing as the law of a god either.

  7. #116
    INFJ


    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderlust94 View Post
    I can't speak for others, but I went through phases with how I view "typing". Long story short, yes. I believe typing can hinder growth because people become complacent when they get categorized into a group. At worst, it creates stereotypes about behaviors and even unhealthy group think. I've met some of the nicest people on the INFP subforum, but I've also seen people who get on their and tell someone they are not a "true" INFP because they may have showed agression or extroverted behavior in their post. I've also seen INTPs attacked and told that they are uncaring and selfish hedonists. I've seen examples for all types. I'm amazed at how people can stereotype entire types at times.
    I agree. We are not our types. Based on what I understand of Jungian typing and all these other sorts of typing that evolved from it, is that it really only gets into how we process the information we take in and the criteria we use to make decisions. That leaves room for so many other elements that make up an individual. I think, enneagram, for instance, focuses on what motivates a person, and other personality assessments, focus more on actual behavioral patterns, rather than what could be behind those patterns.

    If we use this information in the right way, it might help us to see weaknesses in ourselves that we can work on in order to function better in life, but if we use it in the wrong way (which I see all to often on PerC) we'll end up limiting ourselves based on our type. ( for instance say "I'm an INFJ so I could never be a dancer or athlete can I?". Who says you can't? There might be challenges that an INFJ might face that other types might not, but it doesn't mean you can't do if it's something you really want to pursue)
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  8. #117
    INTP - The Thinkers

    This is just an observation but Fi types (or just F in general) tend to put a lot of emotion in their posts. They use caps, exclamation marks, emoticons etc. Ti users write in a more structured and encyclopedic manner.

    For Ti, a Fi post might seem irritating.
    For Fi, a Ti post might seem boring.

  9. #118
    ENTP - The Visionaries

    You masturbate. woha

  10. #119
    Unknown Personality

    One thing that really helped me discover I'm a Feeler, rather than a Thinker, was when I looked at my decision making. I will logically analyze something, but end up making decisions based on my feelings. Maybe that will help you.

  11. #120
    INFP - The Idealists

    You're the same as I am. My parents typed me as an INTP early on, and I seemed to think it fit me. Later, when I took the test myself, I got INFP. This was in the ninth grade, and I was unhappy with my result. I didn't completely understand what Thinking and Feeling really meant back then. Feelers, I imagined, were those over-dramatic girls who fell in love every other day and sulked inbetween. Thinkers were people with brains. Ninth grade is a fairly bad time for cognitive assessment of character.

    I view myself as a fairly logical person, but my friends would say otherwise-- as you said, "they ignore the part of me I hide to the world, how would they know?" Whenever I have a spare moment to think, I've got philosophies rolling around in my brain like rocks in a tumbler, and I absolutely take the most logical approach to things like philosophy, religion, and systems of thought. Or, you know, my form of Logical. Philosophy and religions are tricky things to be smart about, and there is no good scientific or mathematical system you can use to assess them. I guess I realized that I was an INFP when I realized that my most superior method of thinking logically was actually feeling. I'm not an emotional person. I don't "let my emotions run wild." Rather, Feeling, for me, means constantly recognizing and acknowledging my own bias, and always being aware of my emotional state. One thing that I came across reading about INFPs that I didn't see in any descriptions about INTPs is that INFPs are always supposed to relate the greater world back to them, and that they interpret themselves through the world and vice-versa. INTPs are ingenious people and great at taking apart complex systems within their own minds, but INFPs are more interested in taking apart themselves-- something you can't do with logic alone.

    Now, since I figure that you and I are pretty much exactly the same, and I'm not entirely sure about the whole thinking vs feeling deal either, I guess I can't tell you "you're an INFP" and be done with it. I think that the main reason that it was difficult to type myself as an F instead of a T is that F is intrinsically a little more extroverted-- but then it makes sense that when you pair F with I, you get someone who's very easily able to relate to themselves, and that's the first step towards being a philosopher.

    I imagine you've already read this sort of thing, but this one's specifically geared toward INFP-INTPs.

    Is it better to equalize people under the rules so that everything is fair (T), or to make exceptions and provide for each individual's needs and wishes (F)?

    Was that sci-fi movie terrible because there was no character development or emotional depth whatsoever and the whole thing was geared toward pubescent teenage boys (F) or because the entire premise was ridiculous and any society based around technology that powerful (if inconsistent) would surely crumble (T)?

    Is it worse to have a bad understanding of yourself (F) or to have a bad understanding of the way the world works (T)?

    Do you more often find yourself thinking in-depth about the complexities of people (F) or the complexities of nature?

    Is it easier to solve a problem (T) or resolve a conflict (F)? (this is not necessarily interpersonal)


    Hope I helped, at least a little!
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