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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Hmmm...

    It sounds more like INTP than INTJ. INTJ are commonly strong-will and arent easily disheartened. Do you consider yourself perseverant/resilient or more easily disheartened ?

    It's hard to understand the difference between Ti/Te and Ni/Ne. Personality Junkie: Type, Careers, Relationships & More! on this website, the author explain the different function precisely IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    Hmmm...

    It sounds more like INTP than INTJ. INTJ are commonly strong-will and arent easily disheartened. Do you consider yourself perseverant/resilient or more easily disheartened ?

    It's hard to understand the difference between Ti/Te and Ni/Ne. Personality Junkie: Type, Careers, Relationships & More! on this website, the author explain the different function precisely IMO.
    In Jungian Standards, Ti makes knowledge a means to an end as it build up knowledge through classifications and understandings that it has and is focused on objective knowledge. Te uses knowledge to help achieve goals and organize the environment to a standard.

    Not sure about Ni/Ne though.

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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Quote Originally Posted by Octowave View Post
    In Jungian Standards, Ti makes knowledge a means to an end as it build up knowledge through classifications and understandings that it has and is focused on objective knowledge. Te uses knowledge to help achieve goals and organize the environment to a standard.

    Not sure about Ni/Ne though.
    Meh...trying to resume a complex and blurry concept with only 1 sentence is a good way to get confused. Someone who dedicate his life to seek knowledge (like a researcher in an university), is he a Te-user or a Ti-user ? Following your logic, that would make him a Ti-user. However, INTJs are common among academics.

    INTJ vs. INTP: Type Differences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    Meh...trying to resume a complex and blurry concept with only 1 sentence is a good way to get confused. Someone who dedicate his life to seek knowledge (like a researcher in an university), is he a Te-user or a Ti-user ? Following your logic, that would make him a Ti-user. However, INTJs are common among academics.

    INTJ vs. INTP: Type Differences
    Nice link! I'm definitely an INTJ in that respect. My need to get to the over arching problem is something common in INTjs, not INTPs. I thought it was INTps that do that but they really just work via options and not really zeroed down, big picture solutions. I'm alot like that, so thank you. You have very good sources, what others do you recommend for INTj descriptions?
    Last edited by CopperrHareV; 11-08-2015 at 06:24 PM. Reason: Grammatical
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maker of helmets View Post
    I'm INFJ
    Well that makes sense. You seem nice and all your messages have inspired me to further pursue my type. Thanks for your contributions, I'm an INTJ
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    Unknown Personality

    I'm glad to help, thanks for the compliment
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    INTJ - The Scientists

    Glad it helps !

    I dont really have other sources. Personality junkie is one of the best described website I've come across.

    INTJ vs. INTP | Prelude Character Analysis

    Another interresting exercice is to compare 2 types and highlight the parts that fits you. You'll find that a description type fits you a bit more than the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saintsqc View Post
    Glad it helps !

    I dont really have other sources. Personality junkie is one of the best described website I've come across.

    INTJ vs. INTP | Prelude Character Analysis

    Another interresting exercice is to compare 2 types and highlight the parts that fits you. You'll find that a description type fits you a bit more than the other.
    Yep, its pretty clear. This cleaned up many of my misconceptions I had about both types. I'm an INTJ 5:12.

  10. #19

    @Octowave you're confusing Te/Ti and Ne/Ni, which is probably not your fault considering there is a lot of misinformation.

    Te believes a decision should be made with efficiency and quickly looks for external data to confirm the efficient conclusion. For example, 90% of men who are accused of hitting women are guilty. When a man is accused, the efficient answer is to conclude he is guilty. Te tries to raise it's own standards, to where it isn't that simplified. So 50% are obviously guilty, 40% require 3 days of research, and 10% are innocent. Because of these new standards, when a man is accused, from now on, the protocol is to do 3 days of research. Te notices that this system can be improved, however, so etc....
    Many Te users are highly intelligent and creative. The core focus of their improvements, however, is about improving an automated standard. When a decision needs to be made, Te prefers to look to experts, prior decisions, and current systems to efficiently make a decision and move on. Te can be very beneficial in large systems where we don't have time to research every nuance.

    Ti sees each case as unique, requiring its own set of research criteria. Instead of 90% are guilty, Ti challenges that and wonders what data backs that up. While Te adds 3 days mandatory research, Ti says there isn't a limit to what can be considered, as Ti prefers a thorough analysis, of that current system. After several weeks of research, Ti concludes that 50% of the accused are likely guilty, based on the evidence. However, with the other 50%, there isn't enough evidence to conclude that any of them are either guilty or not guilty. Ti proposes that an investment team is created to look at each individual case to see what amount of research is needed.

    Both Te and Ti users can relate to both of those up there, but preferences come through. As an employee, I'm fully capable of working in a system with automated decisions in place. I like to work efficiently, but that is more so because my personal thoughts prefer it. Te users tend to be more clustered, in terms of conclusions, while Ti is all over the place.

    Getting tired of typing, so quick Ni vs Ne. Ni is deductive. It takes potential conclusions and selects the one that is most clear. Ni is much more of a "a-ha" moment than Ne, as Ni waits for the revelation to occur. Ne is inductive. I would describe it more as a "ripple effect". Ne considers A which connects to B, which connects to C, all the way to Q. From there, Ne sees a parallel between D, H, and M and concludes those 3 are related. Ni sees that parallel and concludes "D is what I'm looking for". The fun thing about Ni vs Ne accuracy is neither are guaranteed to ever be correct. Ni sees D and gets fixated on D. Ne, however, proposes D, H, and M as the likely answers. Ne waits for feedback, and then concludes H is the answer. Te and Ti are then used to uncover information to prove either D or H.

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    INTP - The Thinkers

    Both types use Ti and Ni to the degree that they understand them, but INTP is Ti master and INTJ is Ni master.

    INTP is much stronger at Ne and uses it all the time, whereas INTJ does the same with Te instead.
    INTJs don't really Ne at least from what I've seen, and Te is a much much lower priority for INTPs than it is for INTJs.

    Just decide your function strength priorities.


    Also, INTJs' repressed Fi-Se can cause angry insecurities when faced with the idea that someone unworthy is better than them at something.

    INTPs don't have that nearly as much, their intensity tends to instead lie in analysis so thorough that every seemingly unimportant detail is given attention, like each detail is their baby. But can also be hard on themselves in other ways.
    Last edited by mental blockstack; 11-08-2015 at 11:29 PM.
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