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    Can I seduce you into helping me?

    If you've come here do you feel seduced?
    Haha sorry for the weird start, anyway you guys know what's coming now so here goes something!
    Oh yeah, I'm usually concise when I write things but I feel like here I should just let my thoughts out in a sort of vomitty mess but, you know, more deep and meaningful than vomit. Have I seduced you even more now? ;)

    0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

    I'm a bit bored but that shouldn't change things right? Male, 18.

    1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.
    (I don't have enough posts to copy the link but!! if you google Hill Ward rich border the first link will be the picture)

    I love graffiti it always looks so cool and free! I wonder if it'd look nicer without the graffiti though, if I was there I'd like to practice dance there. But if there was too much graffiti I'd feel a bit unsafe. But it'd be a cool place to go to regardless! I don't think I'd bring friends there though, maybe one? In a way it's kind of romantic isn't it? Oh in my head there is no roof by the way. If there was this'd be a lot scarier. How convenient is that hill though? It raises the building in a nice way but that'd be horrible to build on? Maybe the hill poofed up because of *nervous sweat* tectonic plates? (I chose not to study that kind of science) The tree is cool.

    2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

    Thoughts: Get everyone to relax and keep everyone happy.
    Reactions: Ask someone to call a towing company, then take a taxi to the musicians before it's too late! If we have time I guess we could call repairmen instead! While we wait we could sing a few songs ^_^

    3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

    Of course I'll go! I'm admittedly not that keen on parties because if I drink too much then my skin might get bleh. But we're in a different town so there's no way I could say no! I might get to meet some other people not drinking much as well! I always enjoy talking to those people at parties and we could do sweet things like look at stars, sing songs around a hopefully present campfire! It'd be so cool to be around a campfire in the middle of the night!

    4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

    I feel uncomfortable. But everyone's got reasoning so I can't argue with them about it. I mean assuming it's about the more 'touchy' subjects 'religion, politics, other stuff I avoid discussing like the plague' (My father started discussing politics at the dinner table today and then I excused myself telling him I'd age faster if I listened to that sort of stuff). Yeah, if it's touchy subject I'll just stay quiet, or say that I don't have much of an opinion or that I haven't thought about it much. If it's something like cats are better than dogs though I'll get it on that >_< (If you tell people that they can't have white as a favourite colour you are mean and should reconsider your words)

    5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

    You're saying it clashes but does it directly negate? If it negates I mean you don't have a choice but to accept it, but if it just clashes and you can still account for that clash using your previous beliefs, experiences and habits I don't see why you shouldn't fight a bit more for what you believe in. If it's just a news report that says "cracking knuckles = death" then you should stop cracking your knuckles even if you can think of why it doesn't = death because it makes a scary noise anyway.

    6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

    Working hard, determination, independence, ability to adapt and a sense of image. I struggle to look up to or respect people who don't show these traits at some point. Seeing people do things half-heartedly makes me angry. People without independence are not people I dislike, but they aren't the sort of people I want to get too close to. By independence I don't mean 'going free and living a Bohemian life' btw. You can be a factory walker and still be independent. I get people will rely on each other through tough times but if you can never handle yourself then I'll end up either helping you which will affect my life negatively or I'll not help you and feel terrible. Ability to adapt I guess is the same thing. I don't mind if people don't dress well or look good around their friends or their own places, but I feel if you're going in public you should try to look decent. Also using manners and stuff because rude people come off as extremely selfish.

    7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

    a: I have a future goal and it seems like there's a very low chance I'll get there but I'm basically giving up all of my comfort (and a lot of free money lol) for it. Determination/Perseverance? In combination with being someone who is pretty jokey and light.

    b: I want to be more comfortable with looking stupid.

    8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

    Follow them! It happens when I see how someone looks. I literally judge books by covers(How else do you judge them) although I'm not a book reader. Should I have specified textbooks? When I'm dancing or playing music I might take it somewhere where I'm not sure where it goes but in my head I'll be like 'It's going to look/sound awesome.'

    9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

    a). Singing! Drinking my mother's ginger tea! Buying food with friends! Dancing! Performing! Leaving the place I live in right now! Music Composition! Speeches! Meeting people who are interesting and/or older than me. Being able to speak to myself in a more comfortable language.

    b). Playing piano. Playing Saxophone. Speaking too much English. Tweaking small harmonies in composition. Living in the house/country I'm in right now(Feel trapped). Meeting people who are uninteresting while being younger than me.

    10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

    I kind of just act like how the other person/people I'm with would want me to if I'm in a more public situation. With friends I'm way more lose, I don't talk about my problems unless if they're interesting or I know it'll lead to fun/good conversation. I encourage my friends to though because it's good for you and I can now see I'm kind of being hypocritical. I'm a lot more touchy with my friends in public then I am in private?

    I think that's it anyway. Sorry if this was super long!
    Oh and if it helps I'm enneagram 3w4



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    Quote Originally Posted by StickyDatePudding View Post
    If you've come here do you feel seduced?
    Haha sorry for the weird start, anyway you guys know what's coming now so here goes something!
    Oh yeah, I'm usually concise when I write things but I feel like here I should just let my thoughts out in a sort of vomitty mess but, you know, more deep and meaningful than vomit. Have I seduced you even more now? ;)

    0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

    I'm a bit bored but that shouldn't change things right? Male, 18.

    1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.
    (I don't have enough posts to copy the link but!! if you google Hill Ward rich border the first link will be the picture)

    I love graffiti it always looks so cool and free! I wonder if it'd look nicer without the graffiti though, if I was there I'd like to practice dance there. But if there was too much graffiti I'd feel a bit unsafe. But it'd be a cool place to go to regardless! I don't think I'd bring friends there though, maybe one? In a way it's kind of romantic isn't it? Oh in my head there is no roof by the way. If there was this'd be a lot scarier. How convenient is that hill though? It raises the building in a nice way but that'd be horrible to build on? Maybe the hill poofed up because of *nervous sweat* tectonic plates? (I chose not to study that kind of science) The tree is cool.

    2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

    Thoughts: Get everyone to relax and keep everyone happy.
    Reactions: Ask someone to call a towing company, then take a taxi to the musicians before it's too late! If we have time I guess we could call repairmen instead! While we wait we could sing a few songs ^_^

    3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

    Of course I'll go! I'm admittedly not that keen on parties because if I drink too much then my skin might get bleh. But we're in a different town so there's no way I could say no! I might get to meet some other people not drinking much as well! I always enjoy talking to those people at parties and we could do sweet things like look at stars, sing songs around a hopefully present campfire! It'd be so cool to be around a campfire in the middle of the night!

    4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

    I feel uncomfortable. But everyone's got reasoning so I can't argue with them about it. I mean assuming it's about the more 'touchy' subjects 'religion, politics, other stuff I avoid discussing like the plague' (My father started discussing politics at the dinner table today and then I excused myself telling him I'd age faster if I listened to that sort of stuff). Yeah, if it's touchy subject I'll just stay quiet, or say that I don't have much of an opinion or that I haven't thought about it much. If it's something like cats are better than dogs though I'll get it on that >_< (If you tell people that they can't have white as a favourite colour you are mean and should reconsider your words)

    5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

    You're saying it clashes but does it directly negate? If it negates I mean you don't have a choice but to accept it, but if it just clashes and you can still account for that clash using your previous beliefs, experiences and habits I don't see why you shouldn't fight a bit more for what you believe in. If it's just a news report that says "cracking knuckles = death" then you should stop cracking your knuckles even if you can think of why it doesn't = death because it makes a scary noise anyway.

    6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

    Working hard, determination, independence, ability to adapt and a sense of image. I struggle to look up to or respect people who don't show these traits at some point. Seeing people do things half-heartedly makes me angry. People without independence are not people I dislike, but they aren't the sort of people I want to get too close to. By independence I don't mean 'going free and living a Bohemian life' btw. You can be a factory walker and still be independent. I get people will rely on each other through tough times but if you can never handle yourself then I'll end up either helping you which will affect my life negatively or I'll not help you and feel terrible. Ability to adapt I guess is the same thing. I don't mind if people don't dress well or look good around their friends or their own places, but I feel if you're going in public you should try to look decent. Also using manners and stuff because rude people come off as extremely selfish.

    7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

    a: I have a future goal and it seems like there's a very low chance I'll get there but I'm basically giving up all of my comfort (and a lot of free money lol) for it. Determination/Perseverance? In combination with being someone who is pretty jokey and light.

    b: I want to be more comfortable with looking stupid.

    8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

    Follow them! It happens when I see how someone looks. I literally judge books by covers(How else do you judge them) although I'm not a book reader. Should I have specified textbooks? When I'm dancing or playing music I might take it somewhere where I'm not sure where it goes but in my head I'll be like 'It's going to look/sound awesome.'

    9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

    a). Singing! Drinking my mother's ginger tea! Buying food with friends! Dancing! Performing! Leaving the place I live in right now! Music Composition! Speeches! Meeting people who are interesting and/or older than me. Being able to speak to myself in a more comfortable language.

    b). Playing piano. Playing Saxophone. Speaking too much English. Tweaking small harmonies in composition. Living in the house/country I'm in right now(Feel trapped). Meeting people who are uninteresting while being younger than me.

    10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

    I kind of just act like how the other person/people I'm with would want me to if I'm in a more public situation. With friends I'm way more lose, I don't talk about my problems unless if they're interesting or I know it'll lead to fun/good conversation. I encourage my friends to though because it's good for you and I can now see I'm kind of being hypocritical. I'm a lot more touchy with my friends in public then I am in private?

    I think that's it anyway. Sorry if this was super long!
    Oh and if it helps I'm enneagram 3w4
    I don't feel terribly seduced. But maybe that means that your seduction worked?

    Anyway, after reading your first post, I have my first impressions of you, but I'm going to keep quiet about those for now. Instead, I have a few questions for you.

    For starters, lets talk about introversion or extraversion. This is going to be the most important distinction we make. Introverts orient themselves towards their inner world and extraverts orient towards the outer world. What this means is that an introvert will hold in reserve an idea or desire that interposes itself between them and making decisions based on external reality. Jung used the example of a man when its cold outside. One man, the introvert, wants to get hardened, so he stands outside without a coat on to become resistant to the cold. He allows an inner desire to shape his actions. The extravert, on the other hand, wears the coat regardless of whether he wishes to become hardened or not; to him the very notion that something in the inner world would influence behavior is ridiculous.

    When deciding your attitude, this is the ultimate distinction you need to make. So my first question is that, do you think you live according to your inner world or the outer reality? Do you reference your inner world with your decisions or perceptions or do you reference you outer world? Which one holds greater priority in your life, and if there was conflict between the two (say an external circumstance conflicted with a long-held view of yours) would your allow the external circumstance to win the conflict, or would you hold your belief in reserve regardless of the external reality?

    As an afterword, another distinction between I and E is depth versus breadth. Do you prefer to have a narrow, tunnel-visioned focus in life, or would you prefer to live as much life as possible, even if it means missing some of the depth in the world?

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    It's funny you say that because I do sometimes wear 'weather inappropriate clothes' to become more resistant to the cold/heat. I do also kind of have a tunnel-visioned focus in life and yeah I'd hold my inner belief despite external circumstances. So I guess I do make ultimate decisions based on inner desires!

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    Definite Ne and Fe user. ENTP or ESFJ, most likely.
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    I see a lot of Fe. I think you're probably a sensor. Who are you in these conversations? Ni or Ne?

    Ni is my INFJ friend saying, “So and so’s problem is THIS and she’s pissed.”

    Ne is me saying, “I’m getting indistinct impressions and I think she’s mad at me, so I’m going to dig around more to see if I can get her to say what’s wrong.”

    Do you want to find the "absolute truth" (Ni)? or think several possibilities have the potential to be the truth (Ne)?

    "Ni and Ne may reach the same conclusion but Ne will be less certain in articulating that conclusion as an indisputable fact because since Ne is focused on external possibilities and doesn’t like to narrow things down like Ni does, Ne anticipates that with additional information their assumption may change."

    "Ne is expansive, pulling not only from the immediate environment but a fast storehouse of similar knowledge (Si), so it is good at reading connections between other people, but it is not good at magically coming up with an answer after sleeping on something, which is something Ni is known for. (Ni- ”Oh, the answer just came to me… I know what to do…”) Ne looks outward, eager for information and inspiration, with a desire to discuss, and Ni looks inward, looking at something from every angle before deciding if it fits in its inner framework. "

    "Ni is an INTJ I know articulating something as an absolute; and an (Ne) ENFP I know arguing with him that he doesn’t know that for sure."
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    I don't really believe in many 'absolutes' and if I hear someone say something is 'absolute' then I'll try and think of how that might not be the case. So I guess Ne!
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    Ok. Good. It looks like you prefer Ne over Ni.

    Fe vs Fi test

    1.Are you more about people and social connections” (Fe)? Or personal values, authenticity and identity” (Fi)?
    2.Do you believe that individual development is important, but social masks are necessary? Masks are ultimately tools. One can convey their true self through moving along with the current than against it (Fe)? Or everyone is entitled to be themselves, free of the nuisance of social convention. Conforming may be better for short term effects, but the ultimate goal is to see individual development (Fi)?
    3.Do you work best with the emotions of others (Fe)? Or work best with your own emotions (Fi)?
    4. Do you notice how you make others feel (Fe)? Or do you notice how others make you feel (Fi)?
    5.Do you show your empathy through saying confirming language such as “Oh no,” and “Aw,” (Fe)? Or exposing your own experiences and struggles as a means of letting the other person know they’re not alone? (Fi)
    6.Do you believe in global morals, or/and conform to group morals (Fe)? Or do you believe that everyone is one-of-a-kind and has their own set of values, just as you do yourself (Fi)?
    7.Do you have empathy more on a global level, such as empathy for the human race (Fe)? Or empathy for a group of people you feel your values and experiences are related to (Fi)?
    8.Would you say “I will do what I think is right, because doing otherwise would do harm to others around me (Fe)? Or I will do what I think is right, because doing otherwise would be inauthentic to who I am as a moral person (Fi)? Examples: You are against adultery because “I would hurt the people I love” (Fe) or “It goes against my ethics” (Fi)? You are against illegal downloading because; “I will set a bad moral example” (Fe)? Or because “I am not a thief” (Fi)?
    9.Do you prefer to create an atmosphere of harmony and where everyone is “getting along” (Fe)? Or creating an atmosphere that coincides with your inner values; regardless of whether everyone is ‘feeling alright’ or not (Fi)
    10.In a spat, do you appeal to the whole group in an “everybody settle down” kind of way, apologize and compromise to keep everyone happy (Fe?)? Or stubbornly stick to your guns because someone violated an issue of importance to you, and probably latch onto one individual and either calm them or remove them from the situation in an attempt to neutralize the situation? (Fi)?
    11.At a park, are you more
    Extroverted Feeling (Fe)? You make sure everyone feels involved and has their needs met. Does everyone have a buddy? Nobody should be alone! Let’s go to the bathroom first, okay? How do we feel about hamburgers for lunch? Is that okay? Let’s meet over there, shall we? Does everyone know the plan, so no one is left behind? Let’s take a vote on which direction to go first! Fe will go on a ride it doesn’t like so a friend doesn’t have to do it alone.

    Or Introverted Feeling (Fi)? You decide which direction to go based on what is important to you. I’m going on this ride. No, it’s okay, I can go by myself. I don’t need you to come along unless you want to. I’m serious. I’m not afraid to do it alone. I’m not feeling the burgers, either. You all go ahead. I’m going to dash over to that taco stand. Nope, not going on that ride. You can beg all you want, I won’t do it. I’m scared of heights. Not a chance, bud. Drop it.

    Te vs Ti test

    1.Are you more about applying logic/organization to your external world (Te) or inner world (Ti)?
    2.Are you more about execution and effective organization (Te)? Or ideas and logical understanding (Ti)?
    3.Are you more about organization for efficiency, by the book, like to make things happen, and systematic (Te)? Or about analyzing everything, taking things apart to know how they work, and checking for accuracy or inconsistencies? (Ti)
    4.You have a gadget in front of you. Do you take the gadget and see what you can do with it? See what results you can achieve with it? Ask how can I make this happen? And what external impact can it cause? (Te) Or do you take apart the gadget to understand the parts or essence of it. Do you ask how does the gadget work? Is this accurate? Is this consistent? (Ti)?
    5.Do you want to USE information (Te) Or UNDERSTAND it (Ti)?
    6.Do you want to figure out how things can get done/results focused (Te)? Or understand how things are and fit together/ knowledge focused (Ti)?
    7.Do you like to come up with a decision and stick with it (Te)? Or always open for new insights and ways to perfect an idea (Ti)?
    8.Do you organize your bookshelf by tallest to shortest books (Te)? Or favorite to least favorite books (Ti)?
    9.Do you focus on organizing things into a unified whole/look at how things relate to one another (Te)? Or focused on separating things into their unique parts and classifying things (Ti)? Example, who are you in this conversation? Hubby (Te) or Wife (Ti)
    Hubby: I want to go to the blue hardware store.
    Wife: I want to go to Lowes.
    10.At a park, Are you more
    (Te) busy organizing others and coming up with “battle plans.” Which direction do we go first? Give me the park map. Okay, where do we want to be by noon? When and where do we meet for lunch? Who is in charge of watching the kid? Which rides do what? When is the bus leaving? What do we have time for? How long are the lines? Okay, everyone who wants to go on these twelve rides, line up to the left! Everyone else to the right! We meet back here at 7pm! No stragglers! Does everyone have their phone on? Good!

    Or (Ti)? busy analyzing how the rides work and what makes the most sense. If I go this way, the path winds around past what I want to see, and by the time we’re to meet up, I’ll have been all the way around the park. I won’t have to walk back, or rush from one side of the park to the other. Wait, why are they all walking in the opposite direction? Don’t they know this is the logical way to do it? If you go that way, you’ll engage in needless walking and won’t be able to get through the line in front of the House of Mirrors
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    For 1,2,3,4,5,9,10 (7 Questions) I put Fe and for 6,7,8 and 11 I put Fi (4 Questions)
    For 1,2,7,8,9,10(6 Questions) I put Ti and for 3,4,5,6 (4 Questions) I put Te ^_^

  10. #9

    Ok great! Who are you here Fe or Fi?

    Fe- wants to end slavery because they absorb the slaves emotions of pain and suffering. It's not based on ethics. It's based on feeling others emotions.

    Fi- wants to end slavery because slavery goes against their values. Slavery is simply "wrong." They use a moral code.

    Fe- is against adultery because it will hurt my loved ones. They feel the pain their going to cause to others.

    Fi- is against adultery because it goes against their moral code. Their heart says "This is wrong."

    Both Fi and Fe are very empathetic, but approach empathy in two different ways. They both feel other's suffering but their tactics are different. Fi user's put themselves in those person's shoes. When empathizing a Fi user will relate by speaking of their own similar struggle. Fe users absorb the person's raw emotions. When empathizing the Fe user will say "Oh no," and "Aww."

    Fe one big motivation= feeling/absorbing other's emotions
    Fi one big motivation= following their own ethics
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  11. #10

    I guess I kinda relate to the Fe one a bit more here :)


     
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