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This is a discussion on Am I an ISFJ or INFJ? within the What's my personality type? forums, part of the Personality Cafe category; Originally Posted by SheWolf You had me until I got to the personified examples at the end. Extraverted Sensing was ...

  1. #11

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    You had me until I got to the personified examples at the end. Extraverted Sensing was very easy for me to grasp.
    Haha, sorry. I kind of barreled ahead without explaining some pretty fundamental aspects of the functions. For, the pairing of a function and an attitude is more incidental. He doesn't have eight functions: he has four functions, and then an introverted and extraverted variant. For him, Ne and Ni are the same thing, intuition, but the difference is that Ne is when intuition is preferred in the mind of an extravert, and vice versa for Ni. So to answer your initial question more directly, ultimately to determine if you're an INFJ or ISFJ, you essentially just have to ask yourself if you prefer intuition or sensation (because if you are an introvert who prefers intuition, then you are an introverted intuitive). Dominance of one means repression of the other, so that shouldn't be too difficult.

    The character approach is a bit strange. What I was trying to get at is that these functions, when paired with one of the attitudes, takes on characteristics of those attitudes. So the attributes normally ascribed to introversion: depth seeking, meticulous, quiet, reflective, inward-focused; the function actually takes on those characteristics and becomes introverted to an extent. That's why it's good to think about them as people; they behave like people do.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A lot to respond to here and I have no idea how to do that "multi-quote" thing.
    I just copy the little tag at the beginning ([QUOTE=SheWolf;24846450] for this response) and then paste that at the beginning of the text you wish to quote. Write /QUOTE in [square brackets] (not writing them here because if I do it will quote you :P) at the end of the text you wish to quote. Or, if you don't feel like having text copied all the time, you can just write [QUOTE] at the beginning.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    But, it does seem like Ni describes me well. I read the original thread you linked. I have to say, I relate A LOT to applying symbols, colors, etc. to words and objects or people. This was especially true when I was a young girl. I swear, I pictured people with "auras" of color. And I had a habit of applying strange things, like gender, to symbols. For some reason when I see the letter Z I think its a female. I'm definitely a mystic and a dreamer. I also saw how you said I could be confused because I could have been influenced by S-doms. Well guess what, my family, who I clung to especially since I was homeschooled, ALL ARE SENSORS. All of them. My mother, my father, my sister, and MAYBE my brother are Introverted Sensors. I think my other sister is an Extraverted Sensor. I have always felt like a black sheep in my family.
    Yeah, this is sounding like Ni.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When I used to play piano, I somehow gave the notes "colors" in my head and even personalities. I never told this to anyone, as I didn't expect them to understand it, because I didn't even totally understand it sometimes. This isn't just it either. Someone says the word "January" and the colors black and red flash in my head. I don't know why, either. I'm always inside my head. I NEVER stop thinking. I don't know how my brain doesn't crash like a computer that has been running a video game nonstop. I have a habit of getting SO LOST in my head that I literally feel like I disconnect from reality, like I'm in a spiritual haze. This especially happens when I wake up from a dream, which are always intense and bizarre. The only way for me to "break" it by directly interacting with the real world and stop and think about the things directly in front of me. I experience so many things in my head that I cannot hope to explain to people. Come to think of it, when I look back on my past memories, they're more like a vivid dream than a concrete thing.
    My sister frequently tells me that the quote, "I reject your reality and substitute my own!" should be tattooed on my forehead. Lol.
    And this is textbook Ni. Your personification of ideas is especially telling (calling Z female, assigning personalities and colors to notes on a scale, etc). As an aside, you should totally write a song that is essentially a conversation between the different notes.

    Another sign is that you feel disconnected from your body. Sensors do not do this. An intuitive preference is fairly unmistakable in this regard. Jung once wrote how he was once treating an intuitive who came into his room and said that she sensed that someone had been smoking, and the whole while there was a cigar in the ashtray literally right under her nose. Intuitives ignore sensory information in exchange for their abstract perceptions, thus they will be totally oblivious to the real world in some cirucmstances (if the intuitive process fails to provide them with the necessary information to make decisions based on the sensate world). Here's another example. I was sitting in class one day and the professor was lecturing from a PowerPoint. She turned to a new slide and I found myself staring at one particular bullet point on the slide. Eventually I deduced what the subject of this particular slide was from that bullet point, but then when I looked up I saw that the heading literally said what I had just been thinking, but I had been too stuck in my head to notice.

    Anyway, at the risk of rambling too much, there are two other things that can confirm your Ni-dominance if you still have doubts. The first is, like I said earlier, that preferred intuition always means that sensation is repressed. If you struggle with focusing on details, if when you zone out you just tune out the sensory world entirely, if you forget you have a body from time to time or just normally don't think about your corporeal form, these are all qualities of inferior sensation. Basically if you struggle with sensory information in one way or another, that's a good indication.

    The second way is a little bit trickier. I believe that I tried this in the other thread, but we'll see if it works here. The attitudinal opposite of your dominant function (Ne for you) is always the hardest function for a person to understand. If you have any ENxP friends, think about them. Ni-doms usually have a really hard time getting inside the heads of Ne-doms and following their trains of thought (Jung said something along the lines of 'seeing the wheels turning). I know I personally have a huge difficulty understanding Ne on more than a clinical level, and whenever I try to describe it to other people it is usually tainted by Ni influence. If this is you, then that can reinforce the Ni preference. A caveat, though, not understanding Ne shouldn't be definitive in your self-analysis; it is merely just a tool in reinforcing your type. If you have an easy time understanding Ne, maybe that means you should reconsider your type, but only if you have other grounds to do so. If, as we have seen here, you're pretty much the quintessential INFJ, then I wouldn't worry about it too much. I wrote these last two paragraphs mostly for your enlightenment, and to help you apply these concepts to your own life. If you're like the INFJs I know, you'll be typing other people. ;)
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  2. #12

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    And this is textbook Ni. Your personification of ideas is especially telling (calling Z female, assigning personalities and colors to notes on a scale, etc). As an aside, you should totally write a song that is essentially a conversation between the different notes.
    (Woohoo! Figured out the quotes thing. I guess those irritating web coding classes I took weren't as useless as I suspected...)

    When I was little, I remembered the multiplication tables by creating a story between the numbers in my head. Memorization? Psht. I don't memorize things long-term. It was always easier for me to learn concepts if it was somehow integrated into a metaphor. It was SO easy for me to "exterminate" useless information in my head when it came to learning. I despised math as a little girl and since it automatically wasn't important to me I'd learn a process long enough to get through what I needed to and it was gone. I wish I hadn't been a brat, because now that I'm in college I basically kicked myself in the ass. ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    Another sign is that you feel disconnected from your body. Sensors do not do this. An intuitive preference is fairly unmistakable in this regard. Jung once wrote how he was once treating an intuitive who came into his room and said that she sensed that someone had been smoking, and the whole while there was a cigar in the ashtray literally right under her nose. Intuitives ignore sensory information in exchange for their abstract perceptions, thus they will be totally oblivious to the real world in some cirucmstances (if the intuitive process fails to provide them with the necessary information to make decisions based on the sensate world). Here's another example. I was sitting in class one day and the professor was lecturing from a PowerPoint. She turned to a new slide and I found myself staring at one particular bullet point on the slide. Eventually I deduced what the subject of this particular slide was from that bullet point, but then when I looked up I saw that the heading literally said what I had just been thinking, but I had been too stuck in my head to notice.
    While I can't recall a specific situation to which I did that, that sounds like something I would do. I do think I tend to miss things right in front of my nose.

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    Anyway, at the risk of rambling too much, there are two other things that can confirm your Ni-dominance if you still have doubts. The first is, like I said earlier, that preferred intuition always means that sensation is repressed. If you struggle with focusing on details, if when you zone out you just tune out the sensory world entirely, if you forget you have a body from time to time or just normally don't think about your corporeal form, these are all qualities of inferior sensation. Basically if you struggle with sensory information in one way or another, that's a good indication.
    I have a habit of absent-mindedly misplacing objects that I literally had just one minute ago and oftentimes can't even recall setting them down, picking them up, holding them. Is this an example of not being aware of your body and surroundings? LOL. One time, even, I was so lost in my head that I blew a red light. Fortunately it was one in the middle of absolutely nowhere and there were no cars in sight to run into me. I also will get so lost in thought that I don't realize I'm pressing on the gas peddle aaaannnddd now I'm driving at least 15 miles over the speed limit. I don't think I should be allowed behind the wheel of a moving death trap. :) :) :)
    Driving is a scary thing to me too. Too many things to pay attention to at once, too fast, too loud, too bright, SCARY.

    P.S. Still can't find my extra set of car keys :')

    I do love the sensory sometimes, though. Example, at a water park, my friends tried to get me to go on large water slides and of course I was like NOPE. I don't like the initial sensation. But, when they forced me on and I did it.... well then I suddenly wanted to try every single slide in the park. The "I feel so alive!" type of deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    The second way is a little bit trickier. I believe that I tried this in the other thread, but we'll see if it works here. The attitudinal opposite of your dominant function (Ne for you) is always the hardest function for a person to understand. If you have any ENxP friends, think about them. Ni-doms usually have a really hard time getting inside the heads of Ne-doms and following their trains of thought (Jung said something along the lines of 'seeing the wheels turning). I know I personally have a huge difficulty understanding Ne on more than a clinical level, and whenever I try to describe it to other people it is usually tainted by Ni influence. If this is you, then that can reinforce the Ni preference. A caveat, though, not understanding Ne shouldn't be definitive in your self-analysis; it is merely just a tool in reinforcing your type. If you have an easy time understanding Ne, maybe that means you should reconsider your type, but only if you have other grounds to do so. If, as we have seen here, you're pretty much the quintessential INFJ, then I wouldn't worry about it too much. I wrote these last two paragraphs mostly for your enlightenment, and to help you apply these concepts to your own life. If you're like the INFJs I know, you'll be typing other people. ;)
    Really, all of them made pretty good sense to me except for Introverted Feeling. What was hard for me was the difference Ne had from Ni. Si was somewhat difficult for me too. Actually, the only one that made perfect sense to me was Se. But that's because Se in and of itself is simple, straight-forward, perfectly tangible for anyone.

    I do have xNFP friends and I think we drive each other nuts sometimes. We love to speak of abstract concepts and I do love to hear their ideas on some things, even though I may not agree with them. I get irritated with Ne's in the fact that some things just aren't open for interpretation. THIS is what it is, okay? No, no, your ideal of this concept isn't right and it doesn't make sense. I think that's the Ni in me, saying things like they are absolute. I tend to offend my two ENFP friends without totally meaning to. Just the other night, I got lectured on "how hard I am to understand," and "sometimes I feel like you look down on me."
    Well, I mean... I don't look down on them, I just think you're a bit ridiculous sometimes and your logic is flawed. :) :) :) *cough* okay maybe *cough* I have moments of just staring at them at saying "hm," and "I see" when they start going off on some weird tangent that makes no sense to me.

    However, at the sake of offending any Ne users stalking this thread, I've always been jealous of their ability to speak extemporaneously. I've dropped Speech class because I can't think of anything "on the fly" whereas they can just pour out idea after idea and be entertaining while doing so. I can't do improv acting to save my life. When we touched on this in my theater class, my teacher genuinely felt sorry for me. Whereas my ENFP buddy was SLAYING it. I sometimes struggle with comedic acting, but when I was given a deep character to play, I even put those students who had been acting for some time now to shame.

    Oh, and MBTI has ruined my life in the sense that I can't meet someone without trying to type them. :) :) :) :) In some ways, it should be obvious that I am an Intuitive of some sort. My writing and speech isn't direct/concrete, it's colorful and elaborate.

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    And this is textbook Ni. Your personification of ideas is especially telling (calling Z female, assigning personalities and colors to notes on a scale, etc). As an aside, you should totally write a song that is essentially a conversation between the different notes.
    I don't do that so i guess im not an Ni dom :(
    But isnt it really synesthesia?
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  5. #14

    Quote Originally Posted by karmachameleon View Post
    I don't do that so i guess im not an Ni dom :(
    But isnt it really synesthesia?
    Yes and no. I said it was textbook Ni because I could already tell she was an INFJ based on other things, which led me to deduce that the impetus of her coloring words and notes had to do with unconscious impressions and that sort of thing; for example, G major (a standard triad; inversion would be different) is green, black, and gold for me because the notes G, B, and D are those colors, respectively. (Don't ask me why. I really don't know. :P). Calling this synesthesia is possible, but issue is that it doesn't project; I don't actually see these colors, they're just in my head. Someone has synesthesia because their brain triggers a second (or third, or fourth, etc.), unrelated sensory stimulus in response to an initial event. This would lead a person to actually see a color in response to hearing a certain note, or actually seeing the letter 'A' as rosy red (which, it is rosy red for me, but I don't actually see it like that). It's possible that this is synesthesia, but then it's more likely that it isn't.

    Don't let this be definitive for your type, though; I don't personify these ideas nearly as much as OP does (at least, not that I know of). There can be countless reasons for why a person might or might not display a trait of a function.

  6. #15

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    Yes and no. I said it was textbook Ni because I could already tell she was an INFJ based on other things, which led me to deduce that the impetus of her coloring words and notes had to do with unconscious impressions and that sort of thing; for example, G major (a standard triad; inversion would be different) is green, black, and gold for me because the notes G, B, and D are those colors, respectively. (Don't ask me why. I really don't know. :P). Calling this synesthesia is possible, but issue is that it doesn't project; I don't actually see these colors, they're just in my head. Someone has synesthesia because their brain triggers a second (or third, or fourth, etc.), unrelated sensory stimulus in response to an initial event. This would lead a person to actually see a color in response to hearing a certain note, or actually seeing the letter 'A' as rosy red (which, it is rosy red for me, but I don't actually see it like that). It's possible that this is synesthesia, but then it's more likely that it isn't.

    Don't let this be definitive for your type, though; I don't personify these ideas nearly as much as OP does (at least, not that I know of). There can be countless reasons for why a person might or might not display a trait of a function.
    Hehe okay, i was just being sarcastic with the first thing. The only thing I do that i can think of that is like that is when i think of what date it is. A year is in a circle for me (probably because they taught me the seasons and shit with a circle image when i was a kid). And when i think its december then its like north in the circle.
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  7. #16

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    (Woohoo! Figured out the quotes thing. I guess those irritating web coding classes I took weren't as useless as I suspected...)
    Well, once we all inhabit cyberspace in bodily form, maybe not so useless. I hear Google is working on that. ;)

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When I was little, I remembered the multiplication tables by creating a story between the numbers in my head. Memorization? Psht. I don't memorize things long-term. It was always easier for me to learn concepts if it was somehow integrated into a metaphor. It was SO easy for me to "exterminate" useless information in my head when it came to learning. I despised math as a little girl and since it automatically wasn't important to me I'd learn a process long enough to get through what I needed to and it was gone. I wish I hadn't been a brat, because now that I'm in college I basically kicked myself in the ass. ;)
    The one thing about anthropomorphizing ideas is that it can often lead to some confusion between Ni and a feeling function. Telling stories between numbers sounds like a mix of these two: a feeling approach to a thinking problem with intuition helping out. I feel you on the college thing, though; it's a pain having slacked off in high school because I could get away with it.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I have a habit of absent-mindedly misplacing objects that I literally had just one minute ago and oftentimes can't even recall setting them down, picking them up, holding them. Is this an example of not being aware of your body and surroundings?
    Absolutely. Don't get me started on this, it'll just get sad. There really should be an INxJ focus group of some sort: Ni-Doms Anonymous or something like that. "Hi, my name is INFJ and I've been unaware of my legs for twelve days now."

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    LOL. One time, even, I was so lost in my head that I blew a red light. Fortunately it was one in the middle of absolutely nowhere and there were no cars in sight to run into me. I also will get so lost in thought that I don't realize I'm pressing on the gas peddle aaaannnddd now I'm driving at least 15 miles over the speed limit. I don't think I should be allowed behind the wheel of a moving death trap. :) :) :)
    Driving is a scary thing to me too. Too many things to pay attention to at once, too fast, too loud, too bright, SCARY.

    P.S. Still can't find my extra set of car keys :')
    When I initially started writing, I almost wrote a driving story, but I decided not to because I'm slightly neurotically paranoid that Big Brother is watching (maybe not so neurotic anymore, but that's beside the point). I do actually think that this intuition/sensation thing with driving should be a concern for people, though; dominant intuitives are simply predisposed to be negligent drivers. Maybe INxJs and ENxPs should have a chauffeur service? I like that idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I do love the sensory sometimes, though. Example, at a water park, my friends tried to get me to go on large water slides and of course I was like NOPE. I don't like the initial sensation. But, when they forced me on and I did it.... well then I suddenly wanted to try every single slide in the park. The "I feel so alive!" type of deal.
    For as unaware of the sensory world as we are, one quality of lower sensation is that sometimes we just become sharply aware of the physical world, which can cause to binge on pleasure if we're not careful. Because we're usually so out of it, the world coming in to focus is like being electrocuted.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Really, all of them made pretty good sense to me except for Introverted Feeling.
    The rational functions are not my area of greatest knowledge (that's Ni and Si :P). Essentially introverted feeling is focused on its own emotions and understanding them. They have a strong sense of identity, and being authentic to that identity as well as their own values is a pretty big deal to them. They tend to feel very deeply about things (compare with Fe's tendency to feel rather broadly), and it's generally difficult for Fi-doms to explain what exactly they are feeling because that is a fairly nuanced question for them. They also may have difficulty explaining their decisions to others beyond "it felt right." They often have very good reasons for why they do things, but in the moment that can be masked as a strong emotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    What was hard for me was the difference Ne had from Ni.
    I was a little unclear about that. Let me explain: Ne focuses on possibilities inherent to the external reality, Ni the internal reality. Ne is focused out there in the world, Ni is focused in the mind. Ne sees possibilities and connections between objects (objects here is rather loose, it can mean a physical object, and event, and idea, etc. Anything outside of a person, really), whereas Ni does the same thing with inner objects--our impressions of the world, perspectives, unconscious archetypes, etc. Ne is always moving further outward into the world, relating all of its perceptions back to external reality, whereas Ni is moving back into the subject.

    Here's an excellent thread @mistakenforstranger starter that did a great job of explaining the difference: https://personalitycafe.com/cognitive...ne-thread.html


    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Si was somewhat difficult for me too.
    Let's try this. Si is essentially the same thing as Se. It has the exact relationship that Se has to external concrete things, but instead of external it is internal. Si is essentially inward-focused Se. (This relationship exists between Ne and Ni as well.) So all of the things that Se does Si does as well, except unlike Se, which perceives external objects as viscerally and concretely as possible, Si perceives the aforementioned internal objects. So any sort of innervation or inner event (be it physical or mental), Si is perceiving that in as much detail as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    I do have xNFP friends and I think we drive each other nuts sometimes. We love to speak of abstract concepts and I do love to hear their ideas on some things, even though I may not agree with them. I get irritated with Ne's in the fact that some things just aren't open for interpretation. THIS is what it is, okay? No, no, your ideal of this concept isn't right and it doesn't make sense. I think that's the Ni in me, saying things like they are absolute. I tend to offend my two ENFP friends without totally meaning to. Just the other night, I got lectured on "how hard I am to understand," and "sometimes I feel like you look down on me."
    Well, I mean... I don't look down on them, I just think you're a bit ridiculous sometimes and your logic is flawed. :) :) :) *cough* okay maybe *cough* I have moments of just staring at them at saying "hm," and "I see" when they start going off on some weird tangent that makes no sense to me.
    Haha, this isn't uncommon.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    However, at the sake of offending any Ne users stalking this thread, I've always been jealous of their ability to speak extemporaneously. I've dropped Speech class because I can't think of anything "on the fly" whereas they can just pour out idea after idea and be entertaining while doing so. I can't do improv acting to save my life. When we touched on this in my theater class, my teacher genuinely felt sorry for me. Whereas my ENFP buddy was SLAYING it. I sometimes struggle with comedic acting, but when I was given a deep character to play, I even put those students who had been acting for some time now to shame.
    I know the feeling. I had a speech class last semester. I cannot improvise at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Oh, and MBTI has ruined my life in the sense that I can't meet someone without trying to type them. :) :) :) :) In some ways, it should be obvious that I am an Intuitive of some sort. My writing and speech isn't direct/concrete, it's colorful and elaborate.
    MBTI ruins everyone's lives. :P

    And of course your writing is colorful! You assign colors to words. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    Absolutely. Don't get me started on this, it'll just get sad. There really should be an INxJ focus group of some sort: Ni-Doms Anonymous or something like that. "Hi, my name is INFJ and I've been unaware of my legs for twelve days now."
    Good news. I found my set of car keys because I lost my other ones in the exact same manner. Apparently I absent mindedly placed them in a pouch in my book bag. :') I need someone to watch me 24/7 so I don't accidentally, ya know, meander off a cliff.

    ALSO I NOTICED SOMETHING ON THE WAY INTO CLASS TODAY.

    I was walking into the building and I saw a girl pulling out of her parking space. Didn't think anything of her at first, and then as I passed a name flashed in my head then I was like, "Wait, I know her!" and looked back and yup... I recognize her now. Then I wondered where did that random name come from? Well, it was on her license plate. But it didn't stop there, while I was pondering that event I made it into the building, stopped, and I knew something was off with me. But what was it? Suddenly I recognized that I did not feel the weight of my book bag on my shoulder like normal. So, with a few choice words for myself in my head, I scrambled back out to my car to retrieve my bag. It's weird, since I hardly ever forget my book bag. What was I even thinking about when I got out of the car to make me forget? Ugh. I don't know...

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    When I initially started writing, I almost wrote a driving story, but I decided not to because I'm slightly neurotically paranoid that Big Brother is watching (maybe not so neurotic anymore, but that's beside the point). I do actually think that this intuition/sensation thing with driving should be a concern for people, though; dominant intuitives are simply predisposed to be negligent drivers. Maybe INxJs and ENxPs should have a chauffeur service? I like that idea.
    Now, this is different when someone else is driving. I'm way too keenly aware of my environment then. Like when my sister is driving I yell at her that she needs to slow down because that guy is about to cut in front of her and I'm almost always right. Lol. She HATES that.

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    I was a little unclear about that. Let me explain: Ne focuses on possibilities inherent to the external reality, Ni the internal reality. Ne is focused out there in the world, Ni is focused in the mind. Ne sees possibilities and connections between objects (objects here is rather loose, it can mean a physical object, and event, and idea, etc. Anything outside of a person, really), whereas Ni does the same thing with inner objects--our impressions of the world, perspectives, unconscious archetypes, etc. Ne is always moving further outward into the world, relating all of its perceptions back to external reality, whereas Ni is moving back into the subject.
    Okay, well, I liked how you said that Ne isn't as dreamy as what its stereotyped to be simply because they can be scatterbrained. Ni is more dreamy, because real imagination is entirely internal, correct? Ne sees imaginary things directly associated with their environment, but with Ni it's completely internal usually? Correct me if I'm wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    Let's try this. Si is essentially the same thing as Se. It has the exact relationship that Se has to external concrete things, but instead of external it is internal. Si is essentially inward-focused Se. (This relationship exists between Ne and Ni as well.) So all of the things that Se does Si does as well, except unlike Se, which perceives external objects as viscerally and concretely as possible, Si perceives the aforementioned internal objects. So any sort of innervation or inner event (be it physical or mental), Si is perceiving that in as much detail as possible.
    So, essentially, Si "absorbs" concrete things more than Se does? Is it safe to say that Si tends to romanticize things it has experienced, because it internalized them so much?

    Semi-unrelated question, do you happen to know what Si is like with their food? Or is this just some strange theory? For example, I'm sensitive to textures of food. If the texture is off, I'll gag. My sister (ISFJ) is very sensitive to foods, too, but hers is really bad. Example, she can't stand things that have a bad smell or something to her. If she's around mustard, mayo, vinegar, anything she deems disgusting, she gets very physically ILL. I don't do this. I don't like vinegar, but touching it or smelling it isn't gonna make me sick. When my sister tries new foods (which is like pulling teeth to get her to do) even if she likes it, she makes a disgusted expression. Could just be a quirk, I don't know. When I was little, I kind of "mirrored" her behavior and didn't try new foods or anything, very picky. I almost absorbed her influence sometimes. HOWEVER I'm nothing like that now. I love trying new foods and things. She, however, has the same diet that she's had since she was little. Forgive me if I might be rambling or listing irrelevant info, I just want to give enough information to put this MBTI thing to rest. LOL. I don't wanna be walking around telling people I'm an INFJ when I'm not.

    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    I know the feeling. I had a speech class last semester. I cannot improvise at all.
    My aforementioned sister is the queen of adapting and improvisation in her environments. I think this is a Si-Ne thing, as I see that she's able to apply a method she used in her past experiences and apply it to the current situation and make it work. I can't do any sort of adapting to my environments, at least not effectively. Quite annoying, really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KalimofDaybreak View Post
    Let's try this. Si is essentially the same thing as Se. It has the exact relationship that Se has to external concrete things, but instead of external it is internal. Si is essentially inward-focused Se. (This relationship exists between Ne and Ni as well.) So all of the things that Se does Si does as well, except unlike Se, which perceives external objects as viscerally and concretely as possible, Si perceives the aforementioned internal objects. So any sort of innervation or inner event (be it physical or mental), Si is perceiving that in as much detail as possible.
    Here's something I just thought of to add to about contrast between my ISFJ sister and I.

    I was talking to her about careers one time. I told her I couldn't decide at the time. We ended up arguing, because I was very concerned about what my future would be like in whatever field. She pushed me to just choose something that made me happy NOW. I couldn't do that. I can't make a decision based on if I'll be happy NOW. Will I be happy in the future? Will this career give me the things I've always wanted. To her, the future didn't matter in nearly as much detail as it did me. I didn't understand how she could possibly expect me to make a decision this big so frivolously.

    Also, comforting people. When my friends are upset, I have a tendency to offer advice to them that'll better their situation and life overall. She's MUCH better at just listening and offer to do something to make them feel better like taking them out to eat to get their minds off it. I don't do that. I give them (sometimes unwanted) insight. In fact my sister and I sometimes argue over this. "Why don't you invite them to go eat or something? That's what they need!" she'll tell me, to which I respond "Sure they'll feel better for a bit but they need to fix their problem or they won't get any better."

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    Woah, detecting high levels of hyperactivity, you on meds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Good news. I found my set of car keys because I lost my other ones in the exact same manner. Apparently I absent mindedly placed them in a pouch in my book bag. :') I need someone to watch me 24/7 so I don't accidentally, ya know, meander off a cliff.
    That chauffeur service will also send people along to prevent the wandering off of cliffs.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    ALSO I NOTICED SOMETHING ON THE WAY INTO CLASS TODAY.

    I was walking into the building and I saw a girl pulling out of her parking space. Didn't think anything of her at first, and then as I passed a name flashed in my head then I was like, "Wait, I know her!" and looked back and yup... I recognize her now. Then I wondered where did that random name come from? Well, it was on her license plate. But it didn't stop there, while I was pondering that event I made it into the building, stopped, and I knew something was off with me. But what was it? Suddenly I recognized that I did not feel the weight of my book bag on my shoulder like normal. So, with a few choice words for myself in my head, I scrambled back out to my car to retrieve my bag. It's weird, since I hardly ever forget my book bag. What was I even thinking about when I got out of the car to make me forget? Ugh. I don't know...
    I've always wondered how intuitives would have survived in prehistory. It doesn't seem that they would have made great hunters, gatherers, or really anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Now, this is different when someone else is driving. I'm way too keenly aware of my environment then. Like when my sister is driving I yell at her that she needs to slow down because that guy is about to cut in front of her and I'm almost always right. Lol. She HATES that.
    We'll just strap you in the back seat with a blindfold and a CD player set to Mozart on repeat. That should calm you down for a while.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Okay, well, I liked how you said that Ne isn't as dreamy as what its stereotyped to be simply because they can be scatterbrained. Ni is more dreamy, because real imagination is entirely internal, correct? Ne sees imaginary things directly associated with their environment, but with Ni it's completely internal usually? Correct me if I'm wrong.
    Imagination isn't intuition on its own; actively imagining something involves all four functions. Although what you said is true, Ni is more dreamy because it isn't rooted in the real world as Ne is. Its realm is the collective unconscious--symbols, dreams, archetypes--and the contents of the mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    So, essentially, Si "absorbs" concrete things more than Se does? Is it safe to say that Si tends to romanticize things it has experienced, because it internalized them so much?
    Sort of and yes. My point was that Si has the same relationship to its internal world as Se has to the external reality. It doesn't necessarily absorb things any more than Se does; it's just that their point of reference is different, and thus the information they focus on is different. Si does have impressionistic aspects to it; since it is introverted its perceptions are subjective (which makes it strangely abstract for sensation), and Si (especially with feeling) can idealize these subjective perceptions.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Semi-unrelated question, do you happen to know what Si is like with their food? Or is this just some strange theory? For example, I'm sensitive to textures of food. If the texture is off, I'll gag. My sister (ISFJ) is very sensitive to foods, too, but hers is really bad. Example, she can't stand things that have a bad smell or something to her. If she's around mustard, mayo, vinegar, anything she deems disgusting, she gets very physically ILL. I don't do this. I don't like vinegar, but touching it or smelling it isn't gonna make me sick. When my sister tries new foods (which is like pulling teeth to get her to do) even if she likes it, she makes a disgusted expression. Could just be a quirk, I don't know. When I was little, I kind of "mirrored" her behavior and didn't try new foods or anything, very picky. I almost absorbed her influence sometimes. HOWEVER I'm nothing like that now. I love trying new foods and things. She, however, has the same diet that she's had since she was little. Forgive me if I might be rambling or listing irrelevant info, I just want to give enough information to put this MBTI thing to rest. LOL. I don't wanna be walking around telling people I'm an INFJ when I'm not.
    Food honestly depends on the person. I can see your sister being especially sensitive because of Si, but that's a bit of a far cry and really isn't that important either way. I will say that trying new experiences vs. her keeping the same diet is a difference between your Se and her Si. Se seeks out new experiences, Si stabilizes experience.

    I can't tell you definitively if you're an INFJ or not, but at the very least, it's pretty clear to me that you prefer intuition and feeling (most likely in that order), and I have no reason to doubt your introversion. As for the last letter, I've pretty much decided that it is irrelevant. It's not in Jung's original typology and it seems to me that it's really only there because Myers' mom had noticed it before Myers actually created the MBTI system. It seems a lot more behaviorist and subject to environment than Jung's theories were, and modern MBTI technicians don't do a great job actually explaining what the letter is supposed to represent.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    My aforementioned sister is the queen of adapting and improvisation in her environments. I think this is a Si-Ne thing, as I see that she's able to apply a method she used in her past experiences and apply it to the current situation and make it work. I can't do any sort of adapting to my environments, at least not effectively. Quite annoying, really.
    This is another thing I'd just chalk up to difference in individuals. There can be a million reasons why someone is good or bad at improvising, ultimately environment will shape it. The same argument could be made for Ni-Se; Ni sees a an idea and a well developed unconscious helps implement it. In the end, it's not really something that needs to be put into typology terms.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Here's something I just thought of to add to about contrast between my ISFJ sister and I.

    I was talking to her about careers one time. I told her I couldn't decide at the time. We ended up arguing, because I was very concerned about what my future would be like in whatever field. She pushed me to just choose something that made me happy NOW. I couldn't do that. I can't make a decision based on if I'll be happy NOW. Will I be happy in the future? Will this career give me the things I've always wanted. To her, the future didn't matter in nearly as much detail as it did me. I didn't understand how she could possibly expect me to make a decision this big so frivolously.
    Yep, that's a fairly classic sensation/intuition conflict. My mother is an ISFJ; I've had similar talks very often.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Also, comforting people. When my friends are upset, I have a tendency to offer advice to them that'll better their situation and life overall. She's MUCH better at just listening and offer to do something to make them feel better like taking them out to eat to get their minds off it. I don't do that. I give them (sometimes unwanted) insight. In fact my sister and I sometimes argue over this. "Why don't you invite them to go eat or something? That's what they need!" she'll tell me, to which I respond "Sure they'll feel better for a bit but they need to fix their problem or they won't get any better."
    Another thing I relate to. xNFJs have a (somewhat annoying) tendency to try and "fix" people. It's a combination of Ni and F I think--we see how their behaviors will ultimately impact them in negative ways, so we try to fix that before it happens. It can make us lose sight of what's right in front of us, which is generally why xSFJs are a lot better at being empathetic. They don't perceive those things, they just focus on fixing the problem right now.


     
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