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This is a discussion on ENTP or ENFP? Help me! within the What's my personality type? forums, part of the Personality Cafe category; Originally Posted by DOGSOUP Look up Fe-dom from a dictionary and find a picture of Emma Woodhouse ;) Stereotypically meddling, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DOGSOUP View Post
    Look up Fe-dom from a dictionary and find a picture of Emma Woodhouse ;) Stereotypically meddling, knows what is best for you, matchmaker extraordinaire, terribly opinionated on relationships and people... Marianne Dashwood might be the NFP of Austenland.

    Enneagram suggestion was great... head-type thinkers and heart-type feelers might face some confusion.
    I find Marianne fascinating. She seems to be of another world altogether, with a haunting, ethereal quality (at least from the performance I saw in the movie). Again, all this probably boils down to excellent casting choices ore than anything else. Like Gwyneth Paltrow as Emma, Jeremy Northam as Knightley, or Alan Rickman as Colonel Brandon and Kate Winslet as his Marianne, or What's-his-name as Henry Tilney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azalea View Post
    I think it's about how you reach decisions for the most part. Do you go by a personal set of values, and feelings? Is it hard to think about things "logically" maybe and feels draining? That is Fi to me (if you were to be ENFP). ENTP use Ti.
    Thanks for chiming in. I reach decisions logically almost to the point that it appears very Te like but it is not. I read somewhere that Ne+Ti could easily be confused for Te reaction, Thinking about things logically isn't hard for me to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by DOGSOUP View Post
    I honestly cannot believe I wrote that, obviously I meant heart/thinkers and head/feelers, lol. Just another proof one should not write anything when tired...
    Lol! Head feelers just brought to mind an image of checking someone for lice.

    Quote Originally Posted by ai.tran.75 View Post
    This is quite a good analyzation of Ti vs Fi- I agree with you on the matter of how the stereotype of enfp to be all rainbow and emotionally expressive is quite off---rarely anyone I know can read my emotions- it's only within this forum where people make this assumption
    Thanks for debunking the stereotype/myth about ENFP ai.tran.75!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl archer View Post
    The results of my Socionics test

    http://www.sociotype.com/tests/result/est/169379
    Quite sure you're entp :) what make you question your type ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ai.tran.75 View Post
    Quite sure you're entp :) what make you question your type ?
    Cuz I have tested many times as ENFP as well, I read up on both types. There were parts of both that seemed to fit me well, and then some that did not. Like ENTPs being known extraordinarily for their ingenious streak or hyper-sexual behaviour, neither of which I can identify with but then again there isn't much scope for doing things my own way in my profession. Law demands that things be done a certain way, in accordance with legislations, rules or statutes. Very little room for maneuvring actually. As you may have seen in my similar minds result, I have a strong fi or a Fi that is frequently well-used, which made me wonder about my probably being ENFP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl archer View Post
    Cuz I have tested many times as ENFP as well, I read up on both types. There were parts of both that seemed to fit me well, and then some that did not. Like ENTPs being known extraordinarily for their ingenious streak or hyper-sexual behaviour, neither of which I can identify with but then again there isn't much scope for doing things my own way in my profession. Law demands that things be done a certain way, in accordance with legislations, rules or statutes. Very little room for maneuvring actually. As you may have seen in my similar minds result, I have a strong fi or a Fi that is frequently well-used, which made me wonder about my probably being ENFP.
    i think you would have to read up on functions to understand which mbti or socionic type you are- everything else would be considered a stereotype, its quite common for enfp and entp to be alike because we share the same dominant function( Ne which is that we gain energy through ideas and connection) and inferior function( Si)
    the main differ to look at is FiTe vis TiFe-
    Fi is pretty much your own systematic map of your own and internal emotion- you connect with others by putting yourself within that situation and do whats best for the situation as to Ti is a map of its own systematic logic
    a good comparison would that if you're prone to values and ethical issues then you're an enfp and if you view things more logically then Entp
    your test score doesnt really signify much of a result (hence a lot of people mistype themselves) i have a tendency to test as entp most of the time however I dont use Ti and definitely not Fe =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl archer View Post
    I am on my way to take a Socionics test to see what I get. oh, I did the Enneagram test and got 7w8. I think Drunk Parrot mentioned that it was the most common type for ENTP.
    7 definately goes well with Se and Ne dominants... and btw your Socionics result was pretty much weighted on Thinking.

    Typically yes, the latter with a bit of former. First I want to see where they stand and sometimes I take an opposite stance just to see how well they will defend theirs. I don't realize when I end up taking it too far, and when the spirited discussion turns into a fight that's when I realize I have ended up in a fight over nothing and by that time even if I were to tell them my original stance (which might be more congruent with theirs), they will think they "won" me over to their side/way of thinking which of course = Unbearable gloating, especially my friends strong on the Te. No offence, but I think those people that use their Te overly are extremely annoying.
    Ne is known to contradict itself in one sentence -- Exaggeration, but it illuminates this point quite well. It isn't really seen as a problem, rather as a good thing to be able to see something from several different points of view.

    I think my view of my faith is definitely more pro-openness than blindly accepting that God will smite me if I don't do this or that. But that is a topic for another thread and another day. I think as I have gotten older, I am getting more comfortable with the old ways, I don't feel the need for rebelling or railing against religion without cause. Organized religion I do have issues with. Anyway, when you say SFJs use their Ne, isn't Ne their weak function? Are they able to use it just as well?
    This is interesting subject... we were just discussing the Si-doms passive opennes to Ne in another thread. Basically, how I see inferior/weak functions: it is going to cause problems. Inferior functions nag at us (in Socionics, there is also separation to PoLR and Suggestive function, which is rather interesting); at the same time they are something we value and almost need to use to balance our leading functions - but still causing trouble, anxiety, neurotism... some suppress them, some actively engage them in different ways - can go both ways, really.

    The bolded was interesting... because it is possible for Ne-doms to embrace these traditions of their community as they develope Si.

    Here I think I lean a bit more towards TP. Thanks for explaining all this stuff to me.
    You are very welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by Girl archer View Post
    I find Marianne fascinating. She seems to be of another world altogether, with a haunting, ethereal quality (at least from the performance I saw in the movie). Again, all this probably boils down to excellent casting choices ore than anything else. Like Gwyneth Paltrow as Emma, Jeremy Northam as Knightley, or Alan Rickman as Colonel Brandon and Kate Winslet as his Marianne, or What's-his-name as Henry Tilney.
    I have noticed that N-dominants have this ethereal quality... I think Marianne is a good example of Ne distanced of reality. She also values Fi: authenticity, deep abstract feeling - and expresses it either poetically, or quite bluntly through Te.

    Charity Wakefield also made a very good interpretation of Marianne. Haunting performance indeed. Tragedy is real. Glad she has so many STJs around her for support (Elinor, Brandon).
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    Quote Originally Posted by DOGSOUP View Post
    This is interesting subject... we were just discussing the Si-doms passive opennes to Ne in another thread. Basically, how I see inferior/weak functions: it is going to cause problems. Inferior functions nag at us (in Socionics, there is also separation to PoLR and Suggestive function, which is rather interesting); at the same time they are something we value and almost need to use to balance our leading functions - but still causing trouble, anxiety, neurotism... some suppress them, some actively engage them in different ways - can go both ways, really.
    That is definitely a very interesting topic. Can you share that link with me? I would like to read up some more on inferior functions.

    The bolded was interesting... because it is possible for Ne-doms to embrace these traditions of their community as they develope Si.
    Speaking of community traditions, I wonder if ENTPs have the ability to sustain long-term fulfilling romantic relationships such as matrimony? If so, should they marry other NTs? Or maybe off set their NT with an NF partner? Oh and on an unrelated note, if you follow(ed) Disney Princesses and the likes of them, would you say there has ever been an ENTP Disney Princess or even female Disney character? Some say Esmeralda (did I spell that right?) is an ENTP because of how quick she was with sleight of hand, and her trickery et cetera, but she also had a very strong Fi right? She didn't want to do things that went against the interests of the land and that of her gypsy community? Or am I reading too much into this? How about Rapunzel from Tangled?

    Charity Wakefield also made a very good interpretation of Marianne. Haunting performance indeed. Tragedy is real. Glad she has so many STJs around her for support (Elinor, Brandon).
    I haven't seen the Charity Wakefield version. Elinor (no offence to Emma Thompson who is a wonderful actress) somehow just rubbed me the wrong way. Even in the books. For me, Marianne>Elizabeth>Emma>Eleanor Tilney>Anne Elliot>Elinor>Fanny. I just perceive the two to be rather not worthy of being heroines. A heroine needs to be likeable but not needy for attention, bold without being crass (yes, Mary Crawford and Lydia, I am talking to you "ladies") not just take what she is given or wait an eternity to say anything, tender but fierce at the same time...Ugh so many contradictions at once. If you asked me to describe myself that is how I would describe myself as well. Not as a heroine, I mean. Bundle of contradictions.

    P.S. Do you know of this tumblr site called funkymbtifiction.tumblr.com? If you do, do you find the typing on there accurate? Of late, it has become one of my favourite sites, apart from this one. You can see the way the same functions manifest so differently in various fictional characters which is pretty awesome, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl archer View Post
    That is definitely a very interesting topic. Can you share that link with me? I would like to read up some more on inferior functions.
    I'll dig it up for you, sure!

    Speaking of community traditions, I wonder if ENTPs have the ability to sustain long-term fulfilling romantic relationships such as matrimony? If so, should they marry other NTs? Or maybe off set their NT with an NF partner? Oh and on an unrelated note, if you follow(ed) Disney Princesses and the likes of them, would you say there has ever been an ENTP Disney Princess or even female Disney character? Some say Esmeralda (did I spell that right?) is an ENTP because of how quick she was with sleight of hand, and her trickery et cetera, but she also had a very strong Fi right? She didn't want to do things that went against the interests of the land and that of her gypsy community? Or am I reading too much into this? How about Rapunzel from Tangled?
    Oddly Developed Types has some statistics on relationships, temperament etc. but I am not sure how reliable that information is.

    ENTP females aren't that common in fiction... Esmeralda I have seen typed as Fe-dom (fight for social justice), but haven't seen Hunchback so can't say for sure. Rapunzel is usually typed either ENTP or ESFJ. Strong Fe and Ne anyway.

    I haven't seen the Charity Wakefield version. Elinor (no offence to Emma Thompson who is a wonderful actress) somehow just rubbed me the wrong way. Even in the books. For me, Marianne>Elizabeth>Emma>Eleanor Tilney>Anne Elliot>Elinor>Fanny. I just perceive the two to be rather not worthy of being heroines. A heroine needs to be likeable but not needy for attention, bold without being crass (yes, Mary Crawford and Lydia, I am talking to you "ladies") not just take what she is given or wait an eternity to say anything, tender but fierce at the same time...Ugh so many contradictions at once. If you asked me to describe myself that is how I would describe myself as well. Not as a heroine, I mean. Bundle of contradictions.
    Your description of heroine reminds me of the way Austen wrote, actually... Marianne perhaps makes the best lead for those who seek the heroine you described. She creates most of the romantic, adventurous atmopshere. I liked how Elinor balanced her, the two of them had what I'd call symbiotic relationship. Duals. Elizabeth Bennet is probably my favorite, but then again, who wouldn't love Lizzy? Boo, unoriginal choice, I don't mind. She is great.

    P.S. Do you know of this tumblr site called funkymbtifiction.tumblr.com? If you do, do you find the typing on there accurate? Of late, it has become one of my favourite sites, apart from this one. You can see the way the same functions manifest so differently in various fictional characters which is pretty awesome, I think.
    I like that site and find it beneficial and helpful. However, I prefer their insight on types over fictional typings (since fictional characters are more often than not pretty bound to stereotypes). Have you seen these definitions ? They are pretty awesome, simplified principles and mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Girl archer View Post



    Speaking of community traditions, I wonder if ENTPs have the ability to sustain long-term fulfilling romantic relationships such as matrimony? If so, should they marry other NTs? Or maybe off set their NT with an NF partner? Oh and on an unrelated note, if you follow(ed) Disney Princesses and the likes of them, would you say there has ever been an ENTP Disney Princess or even female Disney character? Some say Esmeralda (did I spell that right?) is an ENTP because of how quick she was with sleight of hand, and her trickery et cetera, but she also had a very strong Fi right? She didn't want to do things that went against the interests of the land and that of her gypsy community? Or am I reading too much into this? How about Rapunzel from Tangled?




    P.S. Do you know of this tumblr site called funkymbtifiction.tumblr.com? If you do, do you find the typing on there accurate? Of late, it has become one of my favourite sites, apart from this one. You can see the way the same functions manifest so differently in various fictional characters which is pretty awesome, I think.
    It really depends on the person or entp when it comes to sustaining marriage or long term relationship ...some would never want to be tied down others are married with kids - my uncle has been married to his wife for more than 50 years ...as to my dad can never sustain a long term relationship ( parent divorced before I turned 1)
    Rapunzel and Esmeralda are Fe Dom - rapunzel is definitely an ESFJ- no Ne Dom would agree to be locked up in a castle for that long - upon Disney character who are entp - have you seen the sword in the stone ? Quite sure Merlin is one :)
    Bundle of contradictions - pretty much an Ne trait -
    Funky mbti I find to be most accurate on typing fictional characters ...
    the author herself is pretty active on this website - she's an enfp :)


     
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