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This is a discussion on alternative questionnaire within the What's my Socionics type? forums, part of the Socionics Forum category; Originally Posted by aestrivex i have thought of it in passing, but that is a large amount of work and ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    i have thought of it in passing, but that is a large amount of work and i am lazy. i considered that i might do that after graduating college if i did not find a suitable job, but instead i got a job. for now i will continue to write about it a little bit at a time on my site.
    What's the name of your site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOneWeirdGuy View Post
    What's the name of your site?
    Socionics Workshop Wiki

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    Here we go.



    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    Tell me about yourself.

    A question like this creates a storm of responses in my head.

    I start to wonder what I am first. I have to choose a definition for myself, which is impossible. Nothing will do. I can imagine myself in so many different ways. I don't have the time nor is it practical for me to list and explain every single one. By the end of it, I'd have written a dissertation on my entire world view, delving into spirituality, metaphysics, theoretical physics, etc, and that still wouldn't do the job. There's just no way to answer this question definitively and in a pragmatic way.

    Thus, I can't tell you about myself. Or I won't.

    I guess, really, I just don't want to. Anything I said would be as much a lie as it would be a truth, it's "correctness" simply depending upon which aspects of "reality" one chooses to invest belief into, and even then, such a perspective would only be "true" insofar as it is symbolic of whatever happens to be true today in the minds of others, or yesterday, or tomorrow, as truth itself is always evolving across history and into the future along with the universe itself and everything else.

    Such a thing is simply impossible for anyone to do who begins to see the depth of the question, really.


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    What do you do for a living and/or study and how did you come to choose or not choose that vocation and/or study?

    Right now I'm unemployed, but I'm going back to college this August to study chemistry and get my AA before I transfer into a PharmD program. I don't really know what I'll end up doing after that. The idea of limiting myself to a single vocation seems arbitrary and absurd. If I end up being a pharmacist forever, so be it, but I don't plan on it. Rather, I see it as opening a door which will lead into all kinds of possibilities in the future. I might decide to become a psychiatrist later on, if I decide that I want to write books about psychology or something. Right now I'm not concerned with it. I have a vague sense of what I'm going to do and when. It doesn't need to be written in stone. I don't know why people decide to feel the need for that kind of structure in their lives, but I suspect because they (unconsciously) choose to be afraid of something for some reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    What are your interests and hobbies?

    Psychology, philosophy, mysticism and occult systems, history, everything theoretical (especially physics relating to abstract mathematical dimensions of time, quantum mechanics, that sort of thing), reading science-fiction and fantasy, creating elaborate role-playing campaigns and settings, being a dungeon-master/storyteller/narrator and running table-top RPG campaigns that last for months or for years, showing other people new ways of thinking about things that allow them to accomplish something using an unorthodox approach (often this involves getting them to realize exactly what it is that they are trying to accomplish in an abstract sense).


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?

    All my outward expressions are usually "fake" in the sense that I see social interaction as kind of an ironic joke. Everyone wears a mask whether they choose to accept it or not, whether they are afraid of admitting that they tell lies (because they believe telling lies is "wrong") or not. To me, every action is part of a process that gets some kind of result. I have a very pragmatic approach to human interaction. One person tells a joke in a social context because he either consciously or unconsciously recognizes that doing this nets him some kind of benefit which he can then apply towards some goal (perhaps he feels the need to believe in himself before he can motivate himself to do something he doesn't know he wants to do yet) - that sort of thing. I do this myself. I'm just, I guess, more "honest" about it with myself. I recognize that everything I do is to manipulate the world to get what I want. The only question ever is "what is it I want, and why do I want it, and how do I get it once I know what it is."

    This kind of approach tends to put off a lot of people, so on the one hand I admire myself for it, but on the other, I dislike that I can't change it. No matter how much I try to imagine that life works on fundamentally different principals, and even if I am deep down willing to accept that nothing is really defined (everything is whatever, and truth is nothing more than the conformity of thoughts with things - and since both things and thoughts are always changing, truth is nothing more than repetition) it still has the immediate and practical effect of making it nearly impossible for my to accept that people are anything more than processes, like programs being run on a computer, and I ought to treat them that way and just make strategic choices about how to interact with them.

    Whenever I explain this to people I'm almost always met with the reaction that this is just not a healthy way to be looking at it because it might even be borderline sociopathic in some ways. My response to that is usually, "so then it is." I don't see anything wrong with it, because I can just escape into a higher temporal perspective and look at truth as being something instantiated within a certain set of arbitrary circumstances existing within a certain place and at a certain point in time. Kind of like the way people today are regarded as being crackpots who, two thousand years ago, might've been considered shamans and treated with respect.


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?

    This ties into my previous answer somewhat. My ability to perceive a situation as something that only exists because of where we exist in time and space. If you just step outside of the normative values of the society you find yourself part of, and look at the bigger picture, then the meaning, importance, and conviction that we invest into certain core principals dissolves away and you are left with a kind of indifference that makes it easy to detach from any specific point of view. If you do this enough, you develop the tendency to ask not "what is true" but rather, "what do I want to be true."

    I like that I'm practically the only person I know who does this constantly. It is kind of a sense of pride for me, because it makes me feel wise and important, even if nobody usually recognizes that. It's okay, I don't mind falling below the radar. Besides, my example is what matters, and furthermore, we're not all the same. My destiny, fate, or purpose might be for something else, something not translatable into the language of the day, the "busyness" of other people who are all caught up in adaptation and reaction to things happening right now, or within their lifespan. I'm focused more upon the "inertia" of all existence, where things are headed based on where they've been and where they are now, as a whole - systems within systems. Nothing exists by itself. Everything is connected and defined by everything else. Nothing can be defined separate from everything else. Especially not people.


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    In what areas of your life would you like help?

    Money. I could use more money, but then, I don't know if that would actually help me in the long run. Motivation is a big issue for me. Because I tend to be so detached from whatever is happening today, tomorrow, or even within my lifetime, the significance of my actions approaches null. Then you get the sense of being basically non-existent anyway, and bringing myself back down to a limited, simple view of things feels like lying to myself. I just don't know how to do this, it is like choosing to be ignorant on purpose in order to make-believe certain things are true in order to validate your behavior. I don't think I really need to do this. I think other people believe they need to do this because they believe that they ought to be important, that their lives "ought to" mean something, that it isn't acceptable to just cast the dice and let the chips fall where they may, and let the universe choose for you, and you just accept your lot and live until you die.

    So honestly, I can't ask for help. I'm not worried about failure because failure is just a state of mind people adopt out of ignorance of one thing instead of another. Failure only exists if you set a goal for yourself - and while I do set goals for myself, I'm not extremely attached to them. If I fail, oh well. No big deal anyway. Ripples only travel so far anyway.


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and perspectives?

    I'm a big fan of chaos magick theory. I like the work of Alister Crowley, but I don't agree with everything he has to say. I'm very fond of occultism and mystical systems in general, such as Gnosticism and Hermetic Alchemy, because I think these kinds of systems are closer to the kinds of perspectives I tend to have anyway. I came into learning about this stuff already having certain intuitions in place beforehand, so I just naturally "clicked" with certain alchemical concepts like "as above; so below" and other ideas like that. Which in turn led me into a study of metaphysics and philosophy, and psychology, and quantum mechanics, and all that jazz because it all kind of flows together. The things some authors are saying when I read books about those subjects reminds me of my own ideas, and I feel a sense of knowing a secret that most people don't have the ability to know consciously, and that I am just adapted for a different kind of life than other people which doesn't fit into today's sensationalized experience and pleasure-driven society very well.


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    What did you do last Friday?

    I just realized it's Sunday.

    Man, I can't even remember.

    I mean I actually can't remember what I did last Friday at all. I'm drawing a complete blank. I think it was last week I went to go see the new Man of Steel movie, but I can't remember what day it was. I think it was Thursday. Friday is gone. I assume I was probably posting on PerC, reading about psychology or something, and watching anime. I think I finished watching Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood either early this week or sometime last week. I don't remember the specific day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    Here we go.


    A question like this creates a storm of responses in my head.

    I start to wonder what I am first. I have to choose a definition for myself, which is impossible. Nothing will do. I can imagine myself in so many different ways. I don't have the time nor is it practical for me to list and explain every single one. By the end of it, I'd have written a dissertation on my entire world view, delving into spirituality, metaphysics, theoretical physics, etc, and that still wouldn't do the job. There's just no way to answer this question definitively and in a pragmatic way.

    Thus, I can't tell you about myself. Or I won't.

    I guess, really, I just don't want to. Anything I said would be as much a lie as it would be a truth, it's "correctness" simply depending upon which aspects of "reality" one chooses to invest belief into, and even then, such a perspective would only be "true" insofar as it is symbolic of whatever happens to be true today in the minds of others, or yesterday, or tomorrow, as truth itself is always evolving across history and into the future along with the universe itself and everything else.

    Such a thing is simply impossible for anyone to do who begins to see the depth of the question, really.





    Right now I'm unemployed, but I'm going back to college this August to study chemistry and get my AA before I transfer into a PharmD program. I don't really know what I'll end up doing after that. The idea of limiting myself to a single vocation seems arbitrary and absurd. If I end up being a pharmacist forever, so be it, but I don't plan on it. Rather, I see it as opening a door which will lead into all kinds of possibilities in the future. I might decide to become a psychiatrist later on, if I decide that I want to write books about psychology or something. Right now I'm not concerned with it. I have a vague sense of what I'm going to do and when. It doesn't need to be written in stone. I don't know why people decide to feel the need for that kind of structure in their lives, but I suspect because they (unconsciously) choose to be afraid of something for some reason.





    Psychology, philosophy, mysticism and occult systems, history, everything theoretical (especially physics relating to abstract mathematical dimensions of time, quantum mechanics, that sort of thing), reading science-fiction and fantasy, creating elaborate role-playing campaigns and settings, being a dungeon-master/storyteller/narrator and running table-top RPG campaigns that last for months or for years, showing other people new ways of thinking about things that allow them to accomplish something using an unorthodox approach (often this involves getting them to realize exactly what it is that they are trying to accomplish in an abstract sense).





    All my outward expressions are usually "fake" in the sense that I see social interaction as kind of an ironic joke. Everyone wears a mask whether they choose to accept it or not, whether they are afraid of admitting that they tell lies (because they believe telling lies is "wrong") or not. To me, every action is part of a process that gets some kind of result. I have a very pragmatic approach to human interaction. One person tells a joke in a social context because he either consciously or unconsciously recognizes that doing this nets him some kind of benefit which he can then apply towards some goal (perhaps he feels the need to believe in himself before he can motivate himself to do something he doesn't know he wants to do yet) - that sort of thing. I do this myself. I'm just, I guess, more "honest" about it with myself. I recognize that everything I do is to manipulate the world to get what I want. The only question ever is "what is it I want, and why do I want it, and how do I get it once I know what it is."

    This kind of approach tends to put off a lot of people, so on the one hand I admire myself for it, but on the other, I dislike that I can't change it. No matter how much I try to imagine that life works on fundamentally different principals, and even if I am deep down willing to accept that nothing is really defined (everything is whatever, and truth is nothing more than the conformity of thoughts with things - and since both things and thoughts are always changing, truth is nothing more than repetition) it still has the immediate and practical effect of making it nearly impossible for my to accept that people are anything more than processes, like programs being run on a computer, and I ought to treat them that way and just make strategic choices about how to interact with them.

    Whenever I explain this to people I'm almost always met with the reaction that this is just not a healthy way to be looking at it because it might even be borderline sociopathic in some ways. My response to that is usually, "so then it is." I don't see anything wrong with it, because I can just escape into a higher temporal perspective and look at truth as being something instantiated within a certain set of arbitrary circumstances existing within a certain place and at a certain point in time. Kind of like the way people today are regarded as being crackpots who, two thousand years ago, might've been considered shamans and treated with respect.





    This ties into my previous answer somewhat. My ability to perceive a situation as something that only exists because of where we exist in time and space. If you just step outside of the normative values of the society you find yourself part of, and look at the bigger picture, then the meaning, importance, and conviction that we invest into certain core principals dissolves away and you are left with a kind of indifference that makes it easy to detach from any specific point of view. If you do this enough, you develop the tendency to ask not "what is true" but rather, "what do I want to be true."

    I like that I'm practically the only person I know who does this constantly. It is kind of a sense of pride for me, because it makes me feel wise and important, even if nobody usually recognizes that. It's okay, I don't mind falling below the radar. Besides, my example is what matters, and furthermore, we're not all the same. My destiny, fate, or purpose might be for something else, something not translatable into the language of the day, the "busyness" of other people who are all caught up in adaptation and reaction to things happening right now, or within their lifespan. I'm focused more upon the "inertia" of all existence, where things are headed based on where they've been and where they are now, as a whole - systems within systems. Nothing exists by itself. Everything is connected and defined by everything else. Nothing can be defined separate from everything else. Especially not people.





    Money. I could use more money, but then, I don't know if that would actually help me in the long run. Motivation is a big issue for me. Because I tend to be so detached from whatever is happening today, tomorrow, or even within my lifetime, the significance of my actions approaches null. Then you get the sense of being basically non-existent anyway, and bringing myself back down to a limited, simple view of things feels like lying to myself. I just don't know how to do this, it is like choosing to be ignorant on purpose in order to make-believe certain things are true in order to validate your behavior. I don't think I really need to do this. I think other people believe they need to do this because they believe that they ought to be important, that their lives "ought to" mean something, that it isn't acceptable to just cast the dice and let the chips fall where they may, and let the universe choose for you, and you just accept your lot and live until you die.

    So honestly, I can't ask for help. I'm not worried about failure because failure is just a state of mind people adopt out of ignorance of one thing instead of another. Failure only exists if you set a goal for yourself - and while I do set goals for myself, I'm not extremely attached to them. If I fail, oh well. No big deal anyway. Ripples only travel so far anyway.





    I'm a big fan of chaos magick theory. I like the work of Alister Crowley, but I don't agree with everything he has to say. I'm very fond of occultism and mystical systems in general, such as Gnosticism and Hermetic Alchemy, because I think these kinds of systems are closer to the kinds of perspectives I tend to have anyway. I came into learning about this stuff already having certain intuitions in place beforehand, so I just naturally "clicked" with certain alchemical concepts like "as above; so below" and other ideas like that. Which in turn led me into a study of metaphysics and philosophy, and psychology, and quantum mechanics, and all that jazz because it all kind of flows together. The things some authors are saying when I read books about those subjects reminds me of my own ideas, and I feel a sense of knowing a secret that most people don't have the ability to know consciously, and that I am just adapted for a different kind of life than other people which doesn't fit into today's sensationalized experience and pleasure-driven society very well.





    I just realized it's Sunday.

    Man, I can't even remember.

    I mean I actually can't remember what I did last Friday at all. I'm drawing a complete blank. I think it was last week I went to go see the new Man of Steel movie, but I can't remember what day it was. I think it was Thursday. Friday is gone. I assume I was probably posting on PerC, reading about psychology or something, and watching anime. I think I finished watching Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood either early this week or sometime last week. I don't remember the specific day.
    ILI, very very ILI...

    You've got the Ni>Te combo of detached, philosophical scepticism/cynicism/mysticism and dry practicality, the Fe vulnerable function looking down upon social interaction... a sprinkle of Se suggestive, you find sociopaths sexy. You're also an unmotivated IP temperament.
    Entropic thanked this post.

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    ** I can't believe I spent this much time writing a post for someone who is banned! But, this is so me-- not to notice. But why is this thread sticky?!!
    Haha!

    What do you do for a living and/or study and how did you come to choose or not choose that vocation and/or study?
    I create School Improvement plans, strategies for struggling students, teachers or classrooms, Professional Development for teachers, both whole-staff and imbedded (personal, teacher-specific). I chose this job after becoming frustrated with all the red-tape, conflicting interests and endless paperwork in an elementary classroom. I try to make my school more successful and my teachers' jobs easier at the same time. I love being a thinker and letting someone else implement my plans and ideas. Most of my colleagues love having someone else do all the planning and letting them "just implement,".

    What are your interests and hobbies?
    Everything outdoors-- hiking, camping, backpacking, biking, running- mostly just with my dogs and occasionally with just my sons. I also help with Great Dane rescue and spend time every day training my dogs. I am a big animal- lover with 2 Danes, a corn snake, a Crested Gecko and 12 tarantulas.

    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    Great Planner, but lack follow through, I'm not a very tidy person, although I put a lot of energy and effort into trying to be. I'm very absent-minded, prone to losing things - although I'm pretty organized at work where I'm in a focused environment. I'm a procrastinator, loner, a little too non-conforming, don't do well in personal relationships- I don't mesh well with others, I'm not a very attentive friend.

    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    Good problem-solver and trouble shooter, dependable, trustworthy, creative, adventurous, calm in a crisis, very helpful on a thinking, theoretical level. People ask me for advice and ideas a lot and I'm more than happy to research something for them if I don't know. I'm also a good adventure partner and will enthusiastically socialize if it's something I want to do like camping.

    In what areas of your life would you like help? Personal relationships, making and being friends, being able to date without totally frustrating the opposite sex with my indifference. I wish I were more tidy and organized at home- but I've been trying to work on that my entire life!

    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and perspectives?
    Very spiritual, Christian, believe in and have a relationship with God but do not attend church- nor do I want to.

    What did you do last Friday?
    Worked, went to the gym, walked my dogs for over an hour, watched a movie or read- I don't remember which.

    Is this restaurant run properly? Probably not, but I could help you fix that...
    Last edited by suzypike; 03-30-2014 at 11:20 PM. Reason: I'm a dummy.

  8. #17
    IEE


    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex
    Tell me about yourself.
    What do you do for a living and/or study and how did you come to choose or not choose that vocation and/or study?
    What are your interests and hobbies?
    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    In what areas of your life would you like help?
    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and perspectives?
    What did you do last Friday?
    Is this restaurant run properly?
    I think this is a good alternative.

  9. #18

    Hi,

    I will try to answer to this questionary but i am not that good in english. If you don't understand what i am saying.

    What do you do for a living and/or study and how did you come to choose or not choose that vocation and/or study?
    I work in a industry in the administrative departament. I don't have much pression and i like that. I have studied Administration in a public college in the city where i live. I choose administration because is the best choise i hava available in my city for free.

    What are your interests and hobbies?
    I like to play games, read books of biographies, psicologhy, politics, history, philosophy, enneagram. I play guitar and i like to sing as well. I am studying the art of singing.
    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    I am very indolence with my self. I am very intense as my friends says. I cannot be more or less. If i like something i will love it with all my heart, but if i don't like that thing i will deny the thing not matter what it takes. I don't care if i have sucess in my financial life, all that matters to me is to find my own or to have a strong and deep relation with someone. I am innocent, naive, and sometimes pay the price to be so impulsive. It is difficult to me to say no to others, especially if i care for the people. It is very hard to me to say what i am feeling. It is very often to me to deny my desires in order to mantain a connection with somebody. Besides this i have low self-esteem. I don't have initiative.
    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    I am assertive, i like to think that i am a strong person, i am calm, i have a sense to solve problems of other people. I can think on all points of views.
    In what areas of your life would you like help?
    My finances, but especially in the relationship.
    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and perspectives?
    Today i am agnostic, but i was christian, studied some other religious like buddhism and hinduism. I have studdied the fourth way of Gurdjieff and the Enneagram as so.
    What did you do last Friday?
    I stayed at home, i play at my computer and start reading a book.
    Is this restaurant run properly?
    Which restaurant are you talking about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergiohono View Post
    Hi
    You should probably just make a new thread for your questionnaire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aestrivex View Post
    The current socionics questionnaire is not especially informative and extremely boring to read. I propose the following alternative items.

    Tell me about yourself.
    What do you do for a living and/or study and how did you come to choose or not choose that vocation and/or study?
    What are your interests and hobbies?
    What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?
    What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?
    In what areas of your life would you like help?
    What are your religious or spiritual beliefs and perspectives?
    What did you do last Friday?
    Is this restaurant run properly?

    Feel free to answer any or all or none of these items. For best results, write elaborate responses rich with details, anecdotes, perspectives, and examples.

    The keen reader will notice that I have taken some questions from the existing questionnaire that I feel are useful and good questions (for anyone interested in attribution), as well as which ones are conspicuously omitted.

    Please note that for new questionnaires, I personally will not make much effort to respond to the old questionnaire. The reason for this is that it is very boring to read. If you would like to solicit my opinion, please use this questionnaire (this does not mean you may additionally not use the old one).
    1. I am a 26 years old male, who feels really shitty about himself coz of the fact that I think that I am born in the wrong place, and in the wrong time.

    2. I am student of Communication Design [freshman for four years ] and its been a pretty freakish journey as I got a C in high school, which where I live means that you cannot apply in any Science/Engineering programs at any university so I got myself enrolled in Economics then a Chartered Accountancy course then I jumped into "Visual Studies" and btw, I have tutored for a bit, to earn some money for myself here and there.

    3. Reading, Feminism, tv shows, gaming, thinking a lot about different ideas and I am an ex 'keyboard warrior', did a lot of armchair rebel shit on fb over politics, religion and what not and sometimes feel a little embarrassed what to say when people ask me this question

    4. Lack of emotion and spirit, I have been recently labelled as a 'corroded piece of metal', a 'sociopath/psychopath', I hate my inability to make decisions and asocial attitude, behavior [ I don't have lot of friends and the ones I have, I don't know how the hell they became my friends ]

    5. Arguments, I am pretty good them according to other people, logical debates too and people think that I know "about everything". What I like about myself is that I want to learn and experience a lot and I have this insatiable thirst to know

    6. Asocial behavior, depression, perfectionism [ I am seeking therapy too ] and I can't function in normal life as a student ... I am really a very shitty student, like who is not a "bad boy" but is really sucking at studies [ in the eyes of my course instructors ]

    7. I really don't have much, born in a Muslim family which wasn't overtly religious as compare to the time period I was born in, I am an agnostic [ though a closet one ] but a staunch supporter of reform in Islam, inclined towards Sufism mostly because of the mystic aspects I guess.

    8. Was at a friends' place, went there to study ... didn't study shit, took a few pictures came back really frustrated coz of the fact that I can't boss around anyone and tell them to do what is necessary

    9. Haven't tried the complete menu, so far so good ... meh


     
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