I type as INFJ MBTI but INFj in Socionics. Shouldn't I be INFp?

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This is a discussion on I type as INFJ MBTI but INFj in Socionics. Shouldn't I be INFp? within the What's my Socionics type? forums, part of the Socionics Forum category; Im INFJ enneagram 3w4 (351 tritype) Here's my answers to the questions: Personal concepts 1. What is beauty? What is ...

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    I type as INFJ MBTI but INFj in Socionics. Shouldn't I be INFp?

    Im INFJ enneagram 3w4 (351 tritype)

    Here's my answers to the questions:

    Personal concepts
    1. What is beauty? What is love?

    Beauty for me is someone who gives their all to life, to what they love.. someone who completely loves (accepts) themselves for who they are. Love is opening oneself to another. Being vulnerable. Receptive. Caring.

    2. What are your most important values?

    Honest living (authenticity). Love (loving whatever, the world, humanity, family, self). Compassion. Humility. Courage.

    3. Do you have any sort of spiritual/religious beliefs, and why do you hold (or don't) those beliefs in the first place?

    I believe in the universe. Its uniqueness. Its randomness. Our uniqueness as life on this planet. And I believe in our power to see ourselves as part of this uniqueness of the universe in a spiritual manner. Why do I believe this? I used to be a christian, but when I was in highschool I couldn't be a part of a religion that made the rest of the world (non-christians) heathens condemned to hell, so I questioned and questioned and questioned until I decided it was not for me.


    4. Opinion on war and militaries? What is power to you?

    Im against both. They only serve to benefit the 1% or the elite of each nation. In general Im against violence in most circumstances.

    Power is the ability to effect change over particular aspects of the world.


    Interests
    5. What have you had long conversations about? What are your interests? Why?

    I can talk all day about philosophy, religion, self-development, psychology, spirituality.. the arts.. I can find something interesting in anything that inspires other people. Im fascinated by what drives others.

    6. Interested in health/medicine as a conversation topic? Are you focused on your body?

    Not really. Im not terribly focused on my body but I do work out regularly.

    7. What do you think of daily chores?

    If they have to be done, then they have to be done.

    8. Books or films you liked? Recently read/watched or otherwise. Examples welcome.

    I normally only read non-fiction. Things that I will learn from or make me better at particular things Im working on. Fiction I see as a bad use of my time. As for film I tend to like films that challenge me, that push the boundaries of my perception, understanding and appreciation of the world. Favorite directors are: Lynch, Garpar Noe, and Lars von Trier

    9. What has made you cry? What has made you smile? Why?

    Im pretty emotional person.. pretty much everything moving, sad or really happy has the potential of making me tear up a little bit. What makes me smile? Seeing others being happy. Seeing others being successful. Being successful myself. Why? Because I want to see good in the world, I want to see good outcomes from peoples hard work and from my own. It means that life is really worth living when you make it so.

    10. Where do you feel: at one with the environment/a sense of belonging?

    Libraries. The non-profit where I work. In gatherings of international development workers.

    Evaluation & Behaviour
    11. What have people seen as your weaknesses? What do you dislike about yourself?

    My perfectionism can sometimes hold me back in terms of getting things done in a timely fashion. I can be pretty self-critical. I can sometimes have unrealistic expectations of others.

    12. What have people seen as your strengths? What do you like about yourself?

    Hardworker. Persistent. Honest. Im a person that doesn't compromise my integrity (which can sometimes be a fault as well I guess).

    13. In what areas of your life would you like help?

    To take myself to the next level in my meditation practice (I'm kind of stuck in 2nd gear and I know there are 10+ gears to go)

    14. Ever feel stuck in a rut? If yes, describe the causes and your reaction to it.

    See above. The causes? Perhaps there's some deep seated psychological issues Im unconsciously preventing myself from uncovering and working with

    People & Interactions
    15. What qualities do you most like and dislike in other people? What types do you get along with?

    Overly verbose people who dont think before they speak. Liars.
    I get along well with thinkers of all types. Self-aware types tend to attract me.

    16. How do you feel about romance/sex? What qualities do you want in a partner?

    Sex isn't a huge priority for me. Im a serial monogamist and am consistently in long term relationships, but my primary focus is kind of on the things that I work on. And I like to be with people who are equally dedicated to something other than me for their happiness. I like for my partners to be people capable of challenging me and pushing me to grow.

    17. If you were to raise a child, what would be your main concerns, what measures would you take, and why?

    I would want him or her to grow up being entirely true to what they want and who they are. I would hope not to pressure them too much to fit my ideals. And I would teach them what it means to be happy and not to seek it in superficial materialistic things that are fleeting. Why? Because I lacked that guidance and that acceptance growing up.

    18. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward and outward reaction?

    Inward I would take note of the difference and think about what it makes me feel. Outwardly I would acknowledge his belief, perhaps state my own but without saying that hes wrong or im right. We just have two different sets of belief.

    19. Describe your relationship to society. How do you see people as a whole? What do you consider a prevalent social problem? Name one.

    I love humanity. I feel like Im a part of many different aspects of society and that I have a role in helping it be productive, livable, awake, positive and helping it reach its potential. A prevalent social problem? Lack of belief that ones life matters, or that ones actions don't matter.

    20. How do you choose your friends and how do you behave around them?

    I accept most people who try to become my friend. Im not judgemental at all, so my friends run from the best to the worst and I just try to be there for each of them. Around them Im a listener, a counselor, a teacher occasionally, and I hope at least a few of them see me as a role model (if not now, then hopefully but the time im old and retired) :)

    21. How do you behave around strangers?

    I treat all strangers as potential friends.. but Im still an introvert. I do it sometimes at a distance.


    Hopefully this gives you guys a picture of who I am and can help me sort out my type. Im still kind of new to socionics.

    Thanks



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    To your title: no. Different versions of Fe for one thing, and emphasis on quadras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bearotter View Post
    Different versions of Fe for one thing[.]
    Aye. Extroverted Feeling is an emphasis on group values/morality. Extroverted Ethics, also known as Emotive Ethics, perceives and prioritizes externally expressed emotions.
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    INFJ in MBT is INFJ in Socionics. Both theories have compatible preferences, while "INFJ" means 4 preferences only.

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    Thanks for the responses everyone. I've been reading more into detail of the two systems and have come to the conclusion that those that continually repeat that the J & P are mixed around for introverts in socionics as compared to MBTI don't quite understand the real differences between the two systems. I think im satisfied with being both INFJ in MBTI and INFj in Socionics now. Thanks again..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodrigo Blanco View Post
    Thanks for the responses everyone. I've been reading more into detail of the two systems and have come to the conclusion that those that continually repeat that the J & P are mixed around for introverts in socionics as compared to MBTI don't quite understand the real differences between the two systems. I think im satisfied with being both INFJ in MBTI and INFj in Socionics now. Thanks again..
    Are you still open for feedback on your potential type?

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    IEI


    I read that Socionic and MBTI types only match up about a third of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inguz View Post
    Are you still open for feedback on your potential type?
    Yes, certainly! I'm always looking to learn.

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    Augusta actually began with the dichotomies and moved into the functions, whereas Myers Briggs did the reverse, starting with functions and gradually abandoning them as she moved farther into the dichotomies and away from Jung.

    And, as one expects of any living science, the theories greatly diverged from their original basis in Jung as new data was discovered and the models were adapted to suit. As Myers took the dichotomy approach, her definitions of each dichotomy grew to no longer reflect the original Jungian dichotomies very much. E.g., judging versus perceiving in MBTI is not quite the same as rational versus irrational in Socionics. Similarly, as Augusta took the discreet functional approach, her definitions of each function grew to no longer reflect the original Jungian conceptions of them very much. E.g., introverted thinking and extraverted thinking, where the Jungian Ti merely represents an abstracting form of thought, and the Jungian Te represents a concrete form of thought, in Socionics, Ti has come to represent (in my own words) the logical "formula" of an idea, whereas in Socionics Te has come to represent the (also in my own words) practical "function" of things in the real world.

    Therefore, the proper approach to discovering your Socionics type, if you are familiar with MBTI or Jung already, is first to decide which you are more familiar with, or which you find you agree with more and understand more easily. If you prefer a Jungian approach, then I believe the best strategy for finding your Socionics type is to analyze your cognitive functions and then learn about the Socionics functions (you will need to do this eventually anyway) and see which ones make sense for you to be using. Then you can systematically determine your type that way. Or, if you are familiar with MBTI and agree with the dichotomy approach instead of the discreet functional approach (understandably, since the MBTI dimensions have over 50 years of empirical statistical data to prove they exist scientifically, while discreet cognitive functions have almost no data and are still struggling to even get off the floor) you can begin with the Socionics dichotomies, and perhaps look into the so-called "Reinin dichotomies" that are based on the original "Jungian dichotomies," and related work by Viktor Gulenko on his forms of cognition.

    These are all useful websites with information on Socionics to get you started:


    http://en.socionics.ru/

    http://www.socionics.us/intro/start.shtml

    http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.p...ikisocion_home

    http://socionics.ws/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abraxas View Post
    Augusta actually began with the dichotomies and moved into the functions, whereas Myers Briggs did the reverse, starting with functions and gradually abandoning them as she moved farther into the dichotomies and away from Jung.
    Your post was very help Abraxas. Thank you. This part particularly jumps out at me though because part of my doubts that I have as Im learning socionics more is that at the level of profile descriptions Ive thought it through very thoroughly that EII fits me better than IEI, and at the level of dichotomies, its makes perfect sense for me to go from the rational to the introverted to the intuitive to the ethical.. No questions or doubts at all at those levels. Now its at the level of the functions, when I read the descriptions that I notice minor things that I have trouble fitting into. In MBTI I have no problem working from functions up (I fit MBTI Ni-Fe-Ti-Se perfectly). In socionics the descriptions of Fi-Ne-Ti-Se Te-Si-Fe-Ni separately all sound like they could theoretically work, but it doesn't have the same feeling of "clicking" like I have with my MBTI functions. When I read the INFp functions I have the same reaction that they could theoretically be approximate to what my type is but they dont click either. Could this all be chalked up to the variability of the descriptions of the functions? Or am I looking at it wrong given that they have to be seen as working together.. such that my own self-perception could be biased from seeing how things work together and thus Im not seeing them clearly how they operate as "pure" function-types?


     
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