Isn't Te

impersonal and sees what needs to be done (whatever that is) and how to get there, no matter if other people will protest or, ultimately, get hurt by it

? I think that's very Trump!


I change mine to ESTJ

 

Isn't Te ? I think that's very Trump!

Wow, and now you think Trump is ESTJ?

Read some more, first, he's ESTP. He oozes Se out of his pores and is 8w7.

 

But with ESTP, Fe is #3. I struggle to see Fe in Trump at all! He is 10000x worse than I am in Fe!


Compassion, Empathy, caring about others he has NONE at all!

Tell me, since he has become the President how many times he has showed any of Fe?

 

How about NO Fe?

 

Another thread someone posted this -

Trump is so Te. Anything that seems like Fe is just his babyish inferior Fi. He's so incredibly selfish--just because he appeals (on purpose) to a conservative Christian Fe voter base doesn't mean he has it himself. And where would be his Ti? He's all about efficiency, not logic. Trump wants to impose himself, his will, and his brand on the world and change it into something more palatable for him.

Te doesn't have to make good decisions. But everything he's done so far, taking such decisive action without any mind for other people's consequences, reinforces that he's a raging maniac with narcissistic Te. (Not that Te is negative in and of itself. It's just obvious that Trump is an unhealthy ESTJ.) And his inferior Fi comes out whenever anyone hurts his feelings or 'attacks' his family members. It's his victim complex.

As for secondary Si, he's idealizing the misleadingly 'idyllic' past of America to an extreme. Ne is more difficult to prove, but I think one could argue that his habit of saying whatever pops into his head is reasonably Ne-ish.

ESTJ.

 

I think it's possible this confusion is due to that Trump's J and P scale is dead in the middle and he is very ambivert-ish on that one.

Out of this list, I think he is a lot of these but maybe the other half of him is like a P

Decisive
Controlled
Good at finishing
Organized
Structured
Scheduled
Quick at tasks
Responsible
Likes closure
Makes plans




So, sometimes he can test as ESTP and sometimes test as ESTJ? He is definitely an E, and I don't see that he is a NT at all either. There is also NO WAY he would test a F either.


I really see a lot of ESTJ attitude with him personally more so than ESTP attitudes. But some of the ESTP description of him is good too. I still see ESTJ description of him pretty strong though. I am not fully convinced that he is an ESTP, period.

On mannerism, he displays both Se and Te but it's the Fe one that hardest to accept the MOST. I think he shows more Ne than he shows Fe (Crazy outrageous ideas)

I also believe he shows a lot of Si, more so than Ti.

 

No, he definitely has Fe. For him it is not shown in empathy for other people (as us ENTPs tend not show a ton of either although Fe is not tied to empathy because healthy Fi-users have it too), it is shown in needing adoration and approval for everything he does. One other very big thing I see from being married to an ISTJ and knowing a few (actually narcissistic themselves) ESTJs, the Te-Si (or Si-Te in the case of my husband) really needs control of the world and people around them to the minute detail, but they don't care if people are upset by their "rules" they set if they feel those "rules" are the best choice. They would not be able to walk into a news conference with no prep and wing it like it appears Trump is doing be it very poorly (it would stress them out to high hell to not be informed and have a plan in that situation). Those news conferences (especially that one with Netanyahu) are evidence alone that he is ExTP. I can give you a multitude of examples in my own life of barely preparing for a test/report/oral presentation, etc. where I winged it (sometimes successfully, sometimes not). My ISTJ husband or ESTJ people I know, I'm pretty sure they have never done it and if they did they were in a panic. He exudes Se (all about the immediate physical return). I describe ESTPs as the leap before you look type and (maybe) look back to access what you did but mostly just look for the next thing to leap from. ENTPs are more the look as you are leaping type who most definitely look back at what happened to store for future use.

The control you are seeing from Trump is tied to his narcissistic behavior. He wants control over anything that makes him look bad. It sounds like he could not be bothered with the things that have no direct interest to him-like running the country (lets aids/cabinet run with it) but as soon as it looks bad for him, he fires them or shuns them from having a spot in the "good" meetings.

 

Unfortunately at this period, we really just haven't heard enough how J he is, compared to his P. Not sure why you insist he is more P than J? I myself is VERY VERY P and I just DON'T at all see him like I am in that category. But if you are more towards the middle, maybe you can see him in yourself somewhat, which is understandable.

Like I said, maybe he is more a Ambivert for P/J scale, that can explain his seemingly traits from both ESTP and ESTJ.

 

Decisive - Like the EOs he signed ASAP, he doesn't keep any options open for them. He decides that's what he want to do, he DO IT, regardless what anyone else says.
Controlled - He seem to be very controlling of the administration, gov't people under him. He even tries to control what he can't control easily like the press, etc.
Good at finishing - See Decisive. The EOs are signed like he said he would.
Organized - Uncertain. But his Twitter analysis show that it is organized. Mine shows easy-going.
Structured - Uncertain. See Organized. And Scheduled.
Scheduled - It does seem that he has a schedule for what he is doing as President. I am not sure if all Presidents do so. Maybe they all do. Then what about before when he was CEO of Trump Corp?
Quick at tasks - Like I said, EOs signed quick.
Responsible - Like I said, he signed EOs as he said he would. However, it's just one way though. Trump supporters sure LOVE him, NO doubt about it, because he did everything he said he would do. But non-Trump supporters that's a nightmare like nothing else in the history of America. What kind of people are Trump supporters? While not everyone are racists, sexists, xenophobics but many people are.
Likes closure - Maybe like the Travel ban and something else he wants to do things so it's dealt with completely. No more immigrants... without any loose end.
Makes plans - It may seem like he tweets randomly whenever he wants to, etc. But are we sure it's not planned?





So, as you can see, I find that he is a J much more, and not sure where he is a P.

 

Again the control is tied to his narcissistic tendencies (which pretty much everyone can agree he is a narcissist). The things he wants control of all relate back to him. He is not controlling of press that has nothing to do with him but as soon as it is directed at him or something he had proposed, he can't handle it so he wants control. If it makes him not look perfect, he wants to control it until he looks good again.

Even what you term "decisive" or "responsible" or "likes closure" why he is a J is not what I am seeing. He had adoration as a candidate and said things during his campaign that he has admitted he doesn't remember saying because he was just letting the crowd feed him (Fe). These EOs were an attempt to keep the adoration and when there was a lot of back lash, he seemed taken aback by not being adored for writing them (and of course went on several Twitter rants).

In business, he had "people" to do his biding and he would decree something impulsively without actually knowing how it would be carried out (there is ample evidence of this prior to his presidency). He is used to saying he wants something done and his minions take care of it. He is impulsive, not decisive. He has admitted that he didn't even look closely at some of the EOs because they were drafted by other people (which might be deflection which he does all the time-blame someone else). His EOs were not the work of a well thought out plan.

I like closure, in that if I ask someone to get something done (because I don't really want to do it myself), I expect it to get done. I might leave a 1,000 projects unfinished myself but I also feel the need to complete things if I know I need to get it done to be move on to a new thing.

The main thing here is not P and J but the cognitive functions. He does not act like a Te-Si user with Fi as his "feeling". He exudes Se-Ti in that he is impulsive and tends to do a lot of things without looking at what his actions will do in the long run. His Fe is feeding off the crowd. The WH has leaked that he does not like any kind of long briefing or discussion but it has to be boiled down to bullet points or it loses his interest.

I think the being hard to type issue though comes from his narcissism. It is very hard to type people with mental disorders because you cannot tell what is their disorder and what is their natural personality.

 

The main thing here is not P and J but the cognitive functions. He does not act like a Te-Si user with Fi as his "feeling". He exudes Se-Ti in that he is impulsive and tends to do a lot of things without looking at what his actions will do in the long run. His Fe is feeding off the crowd. The WH has leaked that he does not like any kind of long briefing or discussion but it has to be boiled down to bullet points or it loses his interest.

There is actually a thread going on right now in NT forum that's saying "Cognitive Function is BS"...


But if you ask me, the dichotomy of MBTI and Cognitive Function should in fact correlate and you can't just go with CF alone if MBTI dichotomy is totally different!

Also, actually, I see a lot of Fe, Si, Ne, and Fi in Trump. Like what @throughtheroses posted. And Fe ->

impersonal and sees what needs to be done (whatever that is) and how to get there, no matter if other people will protest or, ultimately, get hurt by it

Si - He talked about how GREAT the past was a lot of times.
Ne - "I have great ideas... Build a Wall..."
Fi - Values, like what I just talked about.

 

He had adoration as a candidate and said things during his campaign that he has admitted he doesn't remember saying because he was just letting the crowd feed him (Fe). These EOs were an attempt to keep the adoration and when there was a lot of back lash, he seemed taken aback by not being adored for writing them (and of course went on several Twitter rants).

No I just don't agree with you. I think these EOs has nothing to do Fe, but more of a Fi factor. He just has those values (On immigration and wants Law and Order) that's the way I see it. He is not just doing it to please his fanbase. I think he is doing it so he has closure on what his Fi is telling him.


I think Trump is a really controlling, bad guy. And he is also a HUGE liar. So, that is WHY he keeps blaming others, because he says others wrote the EOs and he hasn't took a good look at them, do you really believe that?

I DON'T! This is a PROVEN Pathological liar!!!
Unlike what many of you believe, I feel he has more direct and personal control about everything that's done than you may think.



I hear that a lot of people think it's Bannon controlling Trump, but I think they are actually both in it together, same amount of evil.

 

I am convinced that he is close to an Ambivert on P/J scale. I can see the argument for ESTP. But I can also see the argument very strongly as well for ESTJ.

Am convinced for EST there are no doubt whatsoever, at all. He can NOT be a F, nor a NT combination. He ooze so much S so N is also unlikely, despite some Ne tendencies.

P/J is hardest to determine IMO. Kinda hard to believe we still know so little about him as to these things like "Is he often late, is he organized person outside of his work desk"?

We just don't know these things... for certain! But as I said, I personally see more J than P in him.

 

Actually, I think there is one thing that support Trump as a ESTP more - Lying!


Trump is a HUGE PATHOLOGICAL liar! That is one thing that is certain.

His fans/follower don't think so and it's hard to convince them otherwise, but to everyone else it's so blatantly OBVIOUS!

So, it is NOT easy to judge what he said is what he really meant.

On Twitter and at press confs, he speaks everything as if they are true and sympathetic, even when they are blatantly false and meant to divide! He is just NOT a honest person.


I like to point this out, so maybe he is a ESTP but as long as that fit well with a 'Pathological Liar' personality.


ESTP IS THE TYPE MOST LIKELY TO LIE ESTJ not so much.

 

ESTP IS THE TYPE MOST LIKELY TO LIE ESTJ not so much.

That's a HUGE stereotype.

Maybe if we tested 1000 people of each type, there may be correlation, but I doubt it'd be significant enough to conclude that liar = ESTP. Every type has plenty of liars. I have a friend who's ESTJ and he lies all the time. He's also an alcoholic. Another friend is ENFP and he makes stories up to seem better all the time too. Finally, both my ISFP brother and I lied equally to our parents growing up.

Donald Trump can be a liar and an ESTP, and neither are related.

 

omg trump, what an idiot... what an insecure narcissist

is this real life? the president of the united states arguing that he doesn't need intelligence briefings because he's smart ... like he doesn't understand that the word "intelligence" in this context means info not smarts ...how the fuck did someone so ignorantly unqualified to be president get elected.

well i'm kinda happy tho... I feel like at some point I made a wish on a monkey's paw that the US gov would collapse

 

That press conference was a disaster yesterday. What the F*#k does this electoral college win (and his lie about it) have to do with anything? He is delusional. I am seriously wondering about his mental state (beyond the narcissism). Shepard Smith of Fox News made an on-air comment about how 45 blatantly lied during the press conference and how as President of the United States he should not be standing in front of a press conference making up complete and utter falsehoods. Let me repeat, Shepard Smith of FOX NEWS said this (although to be fair, I respect Shepard Smith because he is one of the few Fox News correspondents who tends to have a much better grasp on accountability, keeping less bias, and reporting actual facts). I cannot fathom how Trump supporters can watch that press conference and not see that something is not right.

 

Don't ridicule my intuition!

Trump is PROVEN every bit as awful as I always thought he would be.

1) Telling and defending obvious LIES despite strong evidences/proof otherwise. (Polls/Inauguration)

2) Have no leadership skills, and no foreign relationship skills gets off in wrong foot immediately against Mexico, China, Germany, France and Australia, etc) insult and talk like enemies with them.

3) Have no compassion, empathy at all to anything. NOTHING. He just doesn't have any of those qualities!

4) All the awful things I worried he would do, he wasted no time to do it - Travel bans/ICE/DAPL/Banning media and science he does not like/ suggesting police state, etc.

5) Everyone who disagree with him is wrong/lying/fake news/unworthy, but everything he agree with is Godly.


My Ne/intuition about Trump is so far spot on I would say! I am not sure what have I been wrong about him?

Trump is a cancer, period. If you don't see that, you are either way too biased (Most Trump supporters unfortunately are) to see that or your intuition just isn't that good.

 

Trump is a cancer period.

Maybe I'm Pro-cancer, don-don! Don't presume to know my values!!! :shocked:

 

I think too that both american parties are like chess sides. Perhaps not black and white, but every few years the one or the other side will win. And after 4 or 8 years it is time for the other side because the ruling party was horrible in the last years.

But it is the same here in Germany :happy: perhaps in the most democracies ^^

 

I do agree with you...up to this election. This is beyond Republican vs. Democrat. I tend to be a moderate Democrat but often vote Republican in local/state elections based on past voting records and views of that candidate (the Republicans in the northern part of my state where I live tend to be more moderate than conservative). I have been voting in Presidential elections since 1996 and in local/state/Congress since 1993 (yes I am an old lady). I have noticed the pendulum swings back and forth which I actually think is a good thing since it gives a balance when one party stays in too long. In years past, if my candidate did not win, I was a little disappointed but I did not feel like it was a horrible thing or dangerous to our country. This election....I cannot say the same thing. I feel like 1/3 of the country is suffering from some mass delusion that Trump actually wants to help the "middle class" and is not in it for the adoration and the lining his and his business buddies own pockets and that having no ability to be diplomatic or even listen to briefing before meeting foreign powers is a good thing. I don't know how far reacting (that it made it to Germany) the whole viral dress thing that went around a couple years ago (is the dress blue & black or white & gold), but one of my co-workers describe this situation like that. For some people, they saw blue & black (the real color of the dress) and for others they saw only white & gold (a play on their eyes due to the lighting). Both sides could not possibly see how the other saw a different color than them (internet debates galore). I feel like I am seeing blue & black with Trump (his true colors) and the Trump supporters are seeing the trick of the eye white & gold and no matter what people say or what Trump does they cannot see it any differently.

I will say, I separate Trump supporters from Republicans. In general, it seems the people describe themselves as moderate Republicans are not too happy with him either. They might like certain policies he has and are happy to see Democrats out of power but do see the danger in him as President.

Then there are people like @Drunk Parrot who just don't really care and like to push buttons of people who are easy to push. :wink:

 

From the series South Park:
Benjamin Franklin shows up, as voiced by famed TV producer Norman Lear, also creative consultant for this episode. Franklin believes that the new country must not seem to be a war-monger to the rest of the world; at the same time it cannot seem to be weak either. Therefore it must go to war, but allow protests. The United States will go to war on one hand, and use protest to oppose the war on the other. He refers to the this as "saying one thing" and "doing another". One member refers to this as "having our cake and eating it too". Cartman wakes up and delivers his message to the town, who see the truth of that statement and then break out into song (a version of "I'm a Little Bit Country" by Donny and Marie Osmond). In it, they celebrate their differences and their achievement (100 episodes); ending the song with the line, "For the war, against the war- who cares!

 

^ lol

 

ESTP to the bone he is

 

Trump is just FAKE! His personality is so hard to nail precisely unlike people like myself or some of you all who are genuine and don't have another side all the time. He is showing a tons of 2 sides all the time.

 

Trump is just FAKE! .

How so?

 

no votes for infp. hoooow?

 

You trolling?

There is NO WAY he is a Feeler, Introvert

 

Why Trump wants you to hate the media (opinion) - CNN.com

 

I think he's ESTP to the core.

 

First, ESTP is blindingly obvious. I used to watch him in the news around December 2015 and mistakenly got the impression that he was ENTJ. That all changed of course when I bypassed TV, went on YouTube and watched one of his rallies. Unfiltered, no soundbytes.

Second, regardless of your political leaning, you gotta remember he leads with Se and he's from NY. Obviously he's not gonna sound like the robotic, focus-group-driven BS we've gotten used to over the last 30 years (it cracks me up when they make the unnatural pauses because "muh elocution").

Also, people said the same shit about Richard Feynman (ENTP). "He talks like a NY bum!" "He swears!" "He spent his time at titty bars, and once called a woman 'worse than a whore' because she wouldn't have sex with him! MISOGYNIST!!"


TL;DR: Quit being sensitive, ExTP's say crazy shit. Better than some authoritarian ENxJ who fits into the perfect mold of how you're 'supposed' to act.

 

Also, I hereby put forward the motion to rename this forum Personality Covfefe. All in favor, yall know what to say. Praise Kek, long live God Emperor Trump.