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Jasette, I apologize if my posts were ambiguous: I followed through only to the extent that I brought the employee, who I discussed the gift with, a gift. This man really has nothing to do with my question. He's not the INFJ.

The INFJ was the unwitting recipient of an unplanned unintended gift. He was tremendously moved. Moved over what I though nothing. Nothing of value. Nothing thoughtful on my part.

He was later dejected to an equal degree over what I believe was an unnoticed thank you note.
Whoops! I'm sorry, I skimmed the message and gleaned from it the wrong story. That's totally my fault, I should read people's full posts before I respond. Sorry! :p
 
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No worries, Jasette. Thanks for looking. If you read again and offer insight, I'd appreciate it. I would definitely enjoy and INFJ male's input.
 
No worries, Jasette. Thanks for looking. If you read again and offer insight, I'd appreciate it. I would definitely enjoy and INFJ male's input.
Ok, umm I just have a question, under gender it says neutral, but from your posted reply earlier I'm assuming you are biologically female?
 
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Ok, umm I just have a question, under gender it says neutral, but from your posted reply earlier I'm assuming you are biologically female?
Yes, biologically, chemically, legally, publicly, and in private, too.

I left gender neutral not to imply sexual orientation, but to avoid posts directed at a male or female; I wanted pure thought, if possible. Avatars, names, genders, affect the content of replies from other posters.
 
Well, if someone gives me a handmade/grown gift, directly or indirectly, it has the ability to instill an great sense of camaraderie and well-being in me. It's the gesture more than anything, the thought put into it. The more personalized the gift, the more it is as though you are offering up a piece of your unique world. His reaction could probably be attributed to general curiosity about the reason behind the gift. I think this propensity comes with both gain and loss. An example:

"I liked the French writer Balzac a lot, read Luck and Leather [aka
The Magic Skin], and Le Cousin Pons. Balzac was pretty funny. His
philosophy is plain and simple, says basically that pure materialism
is a recipe for madness. The only true knowledge for Balzac seems to
be in superstition. Everything is subject to analysis...
...One of his teeth falls out, and he says, What does this mean? He
questions everything. His clothes catch fire on a candle. He wonders
if fire is a good sign. Balzac is hilarious."


- Bob Dylan's Chronicles

To a certain degree, that is how I operate in the world.

And as for it being misconstrued for flirting; Robert Marley was known to bring a mango to whichever woman he was courting at the time in the attempt to woo her. So it's not far-fetched to think maybe the boss took it as more than just a gift. Not likely, at least from my perspective, but I never met this person. Anyway, interesting story. People are so intriguing.
 
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@saynomore Thank you for your reply.

Do you have any comment on the offense of the overlooked thank you?
 
This is gift thread so I thought of putting my post here and hope fellow INFJs or anyone can help me wif my problems. Hahahaah

I am a ENFP and I like this INFJ girl for quite a long time and recently gave her a hand made birthday gift. She was quite happy. So I replied her with a sms praising her how wonderful she look(The content is quite mushy). She did not reply me after that. The next day, we met since we are classmates. Although we haven't spoke to each other, I sense that she is avoiding me. I ask from her close friend that she couldnt stand the mushiness of my sms. Is does she hate me or is she testing me? If so, how can I remove her barrier and get close to her? Many thanks to those who reply!!! I LOVE INFJssssss !!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH they are so mesmerizing and thoughtful!!!!! Many many thanks to those who reply to this post :)
 
This is gift thread so I thought of putting my post here and hope fellow INFJs or anyone can help me wif my problems. Hahahaah

I am a ENFP and I like this INFJ girl for quite a long time and recently gave her a hand made birthday gift. She was quite happy. So I replied her with a sms praising her how wonderful she look(The content is quite mushy). She did not reply me after that. The next day, we met since we are classmates. Although we haven't spoke to each other, I sense that she is avoiding me. I ask from her close friend that she couldnt stand the mushiness of my sms. Is does she hate me or is she testing me? If so, how can I remove her barrier and get close to her? Many thanks to those who reply!!! I LOVE INFJssssss !!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH they are so mesmerizing and thoughtful!!!!! Many many thanks to those who reply to this post :)
Not exactly sure what is going on. Perhaps your message was 'too much, too soon' or perhaps she's not into you. I wouldn't want a guy to be overly mushy on me, unless he is a guy that I am attracted to, and that I actually 'like' in that way. Otherwise too much aggressiveness does not receive a good response from me.

Surprise her perhaps by turning down the mushiness and trying a different approach. Try to get to know her, it could be that you are yet a stranger to her, or she doesn't like you. Sorry. I hope it works out, whatever happens. Your enthusiasm is admirable, find another INFJ if she isn't the one for you. :wink:
So, bottom line it for me. A personal note that he was "touched" is a mere expression of gratitude? If yes, what strings, if any are attached to the note? Expectations?
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@mrniceftw He wasn't trying to hook us up and it is completely out of the question to pose the question to him due to the type of working environment it is. Besides, he's gay. If anything, he was trying to "touch" his boss--no, not physically.
Not sure if I am understanding this story correctly. It seems like you gave a gift to a male in a work setting, which was an inexpensive yet special gift. And then received a thank you note. The person that received the gift was 'touched' by the gesture.
I know it couldn't have been about the farm product. Who the heck is touched by a farm product. I can figure if he was "touched" by what he perceived as thoughtfulness, or if he was flirting, or both. That's the problem.

I typically don't notice people flirting, but when I have noticed, I definitely noticed. That's what bothers me about this on one level. It came across as more than a genuine thank you. How would you distinguish the difference. It's made me uncomfortable in our business meetings ever since.
As I read backwards, I'm getting more ideas here. I once knew a fabulous INFJ who was quite serious about his career. He was enthusiastic about 'etiquette' and sending ' notes' and 'letters' to people. He would always be warm, and he would use the word 'touched' this doesn't mean flirtation necessarily. If your friend is quite professional, he may not choose to make a move that way. Perhaps this person is already attracted to you and was excited to receive a present.

Honestly, I would say that most INFJs would be excited to receive a present [I think you mentioned though that this person who received the gift many not have been INFJ] I am just being general here. I would just wait it out, and why feel awkward at meetings? Do you want this person to like you? If not just let it blow over. Is he a peer or is he in a higher position in the workplace? This may affect his behavior also.

I would say this is too much thinking on your part, about the note, to feel self conscious about it. To be 'touched' means kind of also, 'thank you for thinking of me'. INFJs sometimes like whimsical language and formalities. And do like to speak from the heart. This doesn't necessarily mean romance or anything.
...I went to this professional setting to visit with the man's boss. Prior to seeing the boss, I delivered the gift. Prior to seeing the boss, he gave the other gift to the boss. The boss (not my boss, just a peer to me) comes in to meet with me absolutely beaming and overwhelmed with said gift in his hands. I was stunned.

I would have gladly brought said gift specifically for the boss, had it occurred to me, but it didn't. Further, I wouldn't have given it prior to our meeting, but only after as I would see the gift prior to the meeting as potentially insincere, like bribery.

The boss was so pleased and overwhelmed at the "thoughtfulness" of this gift, though he seemed to genuinely like the gift as well, that he couldn't focus on our meeting, but rather he focused on me "emotionally" which I felt was a huge distraction. Mostly, I was shocked at his pleasure and gushing to the point of being red in the face.

I felt horrible, too, because while I gladly would have "thought" about the boss and brought said gift if I had any prior information that he would enjoy it, but I WASN'T being thoughtful as he assumed. I didn't explain as I didn't want to hurt his feelings if I told him I hadn't actually thought of him.

The next few business meetings were born with me bearing gifts, but discreetly left for after the meeting. So, there was thoughtfulness, but delivered in a way that didn't conflict with my morals that would suggest bribery if given at the head of a meeting.

Meanwhile, and prior to the next business meeting after the first gift, I was mailed a very personal thank you note from the boss. I am still unsure if he intended it to sound as flirtatious as it came across. However, I did not receive this note for months. The boss was quite inexplicably dejected, presumably by me, at the next meeting. Not knowing about the personal note, I was quite confused at his initial excitement to see me, then his sour dejected attitude that ended the meeting.

His note mentioned he was "touched" by the gift. Touched by a farm product? I'm confused. Touched by me, the gift, the thoughtfulness that wasn't, or what?

INFJs, can you interpret please?
After reading more of this...Is this man single? Does he know you pretty well? Are you attractive? This could mean that he is hoping to get to know you better. Perhaps he is lonely and doesn't receive many gifts, this could also be part of his outburst of emotions. I don't understand the note thing, he sent it and it didn't get to you? Perhaps he wanted a more enthusiastic response. Not sure what is going on.

So, I'm not understanding the meaning of all this. Do you want to hear of how to deal with this person in a better manner? Do you like this person? Do they like you? Why does any of this bother you at all? Is this person important to your career? Are you uncomfortable about something? Stuff happens all the time in workplaces. Most encounters of non-work related nature are best ignored.

When it comes to gift giving in professional settings, I just follow suit to whatever other staff does in an office, thus not being the person that 'stands out' in any way. I used to be too generous in the past. I don't think it went over too well. You wanted responses of Male INFJs, so skip over my response, or pull out anything of interest, if you wish to continue discussion on what is happening! :happy:

Sorry for the lengthy reply. I like it when others visit INFJ Forum! And you are a bit mysterious, so I wanted to jump in here. Privately and among friends, I always randomly find stuff that they like and give things spontaneously. Although due to budget constraints, this practice for me has been decreased.
 
well I don't often get gifts but when I do I often fell very good like the world has become a sea of hope and that perhaps one day happiness will rain down upon the land. course sometimes i feel like I'm being greased up so it really depends.
 
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well I don't often get gifts but when I do I often fell very good like the world has become a sea of hope and that perhaps one day happiness will rain down upon the land. course sometimes i feel like I'm being greased up so it really depends.
Wow.

Why don't you get gifts very often?

@femaleINFJ I composed a thoughtful reply, that was three paragraphs and lost it. Ugh.

I may have the energy later to try again.
 
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This is gift thread so I thought of putting my post here and hope fellow INFJs or anyone can help me wif my problems. Hahahaah

I am a ENFP and I like this INFJ girl for quite a long time and recently gave her a hand made birthday gift. She was quite happy. So I replied her with a sms praising her how wonderful she look(The content is quite mushy). She did not reply me after that. The next day, we met since we are classmates. Although we haven't spoke to each other, I sense that she is avoiding me. I ask from her close friend that she couldnt stand the mushiness of my sms. Is does she hate me or is she testing me? If so, how can I remove her barrier and get close to her? Many thanks to those who reply!!! I LOVE INFJssssss !!!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHH they are so mesmerizing and thoughtful!!!!! Many many thanks to those who reply to this post :)
So, there, I "highlighted" what would really bug ME at least! I would think that you don't care about my personality since I would like someone consider my looks quite unimportant in terms of relationship... :crazy:
I wouldn't know what to answer to such a statement. Though I'm not sure if I'd stop talking to you...guess not. Only maybe if I'm not interested. :unsure:
 
well I don't often get gifts but when I do I often fell very good like the world has become a sea of hope and that perhaps one day happiness will rain down upon the land. course sometimes i feel like I'm being greased up so it really depends.
Hi folium,

This is a beautiful reply. I always give, usually without expectation in return. But sometimes I think, will someone think of me! But I am difficult to shop for, I understand why people sometimes may not be able to give gifts. I don't expect them.
Wow.

Why don't you get gifts very often?

@femaleINFJ I composed a thoughtful reply, that was three paragraphs and lost it. Ugh.

I may have the energy later to try again.
Danny,

It is nice of you to reply. That is ok! It happens. Whenever you are rested, certainly reply again. I was just rambling earlier, but asking questions about your situation at the same time. If you feel it will answer questions you have, certainly post again when the words come about.
 
Gifts given with thought behind them are appreciated, the level of appreciation depends on the person, time and gift itself. One person say a friend might give me a gift on my birthday of say a cd I found hard to get and I'll be like wow thats so nice of you and express how much I like it and feel a little moved, I would see it as a symbol of our friendship. If a lover gave me a great gift I could easily be moved to tears. If I'm given something like money, I'm barely appreciative even if I could buy two great presents with it. I don't go for flashy gifts much either unless a major personal meaning is applied to. I think I like random gifts more, seem more thoughtful then birthday or christmas gifts but it might depend. I don't like people feeling obliged to buy me something, feels forced. I often wonder at why someone would give me gifts (outside of the traditional events) as others have said.
Same goes with cards, I don't really like them much but from certain people it melts my heart, I give cards rarely and only if I really need to share something I couldn't otherwise do in person.
 
Hahaha thks for ur valuable comments :) I think I will try and slow down and understand her better for the time being.:happy: I really thank all of you who responded to my post and i really appericate all of ur comments and thoughts hahahaha! I definitely do my best!!!!!:crazy: Hahaaha All that your lives will be filled with HAPPINESS and JOY!!!:laughing:
 
Huh...sounds like this guy might not be used to getting spontaneous gifts from people. Perhaps that was why he seemed a bit overwhelemed with emotion by it.

For me, I get a little uncomfortable when people give me gifts...because I wonder if there's an agenda behind it. Once I recognize that there isn't, I am, indeed, quite touched by it, but going on and on about it like this gentleman did seemed a bit excessive to me...then again, some people are less reserved than others.

My boyfriend is also an INFJ, and FAR less reserved than I am. When I give him gifts, he does have a similar reaction to the man you're talking about...not nearly as excessive, but he will be very demonstrative in his gratitude, and he'll even bring it up weeks or even months later. I know exactly why he does this - he's someone who's very adamant about appreciation. He wants to be sure that the people in his life, at his office, whatever, know that he appreciates them. So, for this guy you're talking about, perhaps the thanks and the thank-you note and all that is a way of doing the same thing, or a way of making sure he's being just as courteous in return.

Either that or he just has a LOT of feelings.

Out of curiosity, how did you know he was INFJ? I know some in some offices where I work, the employees who did the "team building MBTI" exercise pasted their personality types on their office doors...was this the same sort of deal? It's weird to have four random letters on your door, but whatever, man. I don't judge. I just work here.
 
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Out of curiosity, how did you know he was INFJ? I know some in some offices where I work, the employees who did the "team building MBTI" exercise pasted their personality types on their office doors...was this the same sort of deal? It's weird to have four random letters on your door, but whatever, man. I don't judge. I just work here.
He bleeds INFJ all over the floor. There aren't enough towels or mops to keep up.

Appreciation, I can understand, but I felt very uncomfortable as I thought he carried it way too far. Combined with how close he gets to me every time I'm around. Even in the presence of a male escort, this man gets very close and touches me. I don't know if that's just the way he is because he likes me, or if that's the way he is because he likes me. I suspect both, but I don't know. I've seen him close to others, I've seen him at a "normal" distance from others. He's also married and committed to his marriage and it would be hugely inappropriate professionally (besides morally) for him to pursue me (if that's what he's toying with).

I have never read flirtatious signals that weren't there; I tend to miss them entirely. He comes across as covertly (due to the work environment) as flirtatious. I don't want to jump to conclusions, so I'm trying to gain insight.

I don't like it, that much I know.
 
Yeah, that'd make me uncomfortable too. I'm not a "touchy feely" type with people I don't really know...especially in a professional setting. Touching other people at work is totally out of the question.

Doesn't sound like an INFJ thing that much...from what you've said, I can see a couple of other explanations:

1.) He is in fact flirting and therefore being appropriate and creepy.
2.) He doesn't have very good social skills. At all.
3.) He is DYING for human connection...which I would doubt since he's committed to his marriage.
4.) He has no concept of other people's physical boundaries...the same way "close talkers" don't. Ugh...close talkers...
 
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Yeah, that'd make me uncomfortable too. I'm not a "touchy feely" type with people I don't really know...especially in a professional setting. Touching other people at work is totally out of the question.

Doesn't sound like an INFJ thing that much...from what you've said, I can see a couple of other explanations:

1.) He is in fact flirting and therefore being appropriate and creepy.
2.) He doesn't have very good social skills. At all.
3.) He is DYING for human connection...which I would doubt since he's committed to his marriage.
4.) He has no concept of other people's physical boundaries...the same way "close talkers" don't. Ugh...close talkers...
That helps. Thanks.
 
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