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As long as they don't intrude on my freedom and values we are fine. It really depends on the person. However...with the ESTJs I know..we usually but heads and I am their worst enemy. I do not tolerate it well when told what to do, what to think and shit like that. My first reaction to ESTJ-ness is to rebel, punch them or to submit at first, figure out their system and really screw them over. I hate authority, I do not tell ppl what to do ^^ and expect the same from others.

It is like they are order and I am chaos :p.


Sounds like estj's are your polar opposite then, which would make you infp.
I was leaning more towards infp actually.

How do you feel towards entj's?
 
Discussion starter · #22 ·
Sounds like estj's are your polar opposite then, which would make you infp.
I was leaning more towards infp actually.

How do you feel towards entj's?
I wish them well ^^ and all the best, don't step on my toes and I won't punch you in the gut o.o...we'll get along just fine lol. I see people in terms of individuals and one ESTJ can be different from another so I think with some I can get along and with others not. Really depends on the person. In terms of need, I value the type gr8tly as all types have their good and bad sides, all have their roles to play and are needed.
 
I wish them well ^^ and all the best, don't step on my toes and i won't punch you in the gut o.o...we'll get along just fine lol.
You seem infp enough to me. lol. :)
 
Another question.

How do you get along with estj's?
I don't trust tests because I was typed wrong by tests but...a friend of mine took a test online and it told him he is ESTJ and he is a very good friend of mine. We are all individuals remember so if I have a bad experience with one ESTJ doesn't mean that I'll have a bad experience with a different ESTJ...
 
I don't trust tests because I was typed wrong by tests but...a friend of mine took a test online and it told him he is ESTJ and he is a very good friend of mine. We are all individuals remember so if I have a bad experience with one ESTJ doesn't mean that I'll have a bad experience with a different ESTJ...
Agreed. Tests are pretty bad. I find it more accurate to look at descriptions and the pros/cons of each type. Especially with questions like this:

Are you creative?
Do you experience things or come to conclusions without knowing why and are usually right?
Are you artistically inclined?

To me they are equivalent of asking "are you stupid? do you have limited imagination? do you suck?" etc etc. They are very vague questions that are highly subjective and not objective. That being said I tested as a ENTP when my family made me take the test before and I called bullshit.

Just because he doesn't get along with ESTJs doesn't mean he's an INFP. A lot of types could find them very annoying. And it depends a lot on the person. I know an ESTJ who's one of my closest buddies and another I could never get along with. I might say this prematurely but I really do try my hardest. Just his presence annoys me to the bone.
 
Agreed. Tests are pretty bad. I find it more accurate to look at descriptions and the pros/cons of each type. Especially with questions like this:

Are you creative?
Do you experience things or come to conclusions without knowing why and are usually right?
Are you artistically inclined?

To me they are equivalent of asking "are you stupid? do you have limited imagination? do you suck?" etc etc. They are very vague questions that are highly subjective and not objective. That being said I tested as a ENTP when my family made me take the test before and I called bullshit.

Just because he doesn't get along with ESTJs doesn't mean he's an INFP. A lot of types could find them very annoying. And it depends a lot on the person. I know an ESTJ who's one of my closest buddies and another I could never get along with. I might say this prematurely but I really do try my hardest. Just his presence annoys me to the bone.
I was talking in general.
 
I'd fake a smile and say that I'm alright, the friend doesn't have to worry about me. The other possibility is that I will be very very vague and then switch topics. I do not feel comfortable sharing things like that, more comfortable doing it the other way around, giving advice or just listening to the problems of other people, talking with them.
This sounds like what I would do too. I can also relate to much of what you described in your previous posts.
 
Discussion starter · #28 ·
:happy: I have considered things and have come up with the following:

ISFPs seem to get lost in the moment of what ever they are doing if it is interesting enough, in the here and now. They like the act of doing something and focusing their attention on what is happening right now. The sensations and feelings which arise from the process fuel the ISFP with energy.

INFPs seem to get lost in their thoughts and disconnect from the here and now, physically they may be present but mentally not. An INFPs mind can be filled with various thoughts and possibilities not related to what is happening in the moment. They think too much and go off on too many tangents. Because of this INFPs are prone to debating or talking about what is on their mind with others if the opportunity presents itself.

I find that this distinction (if correct) is what ultimately makes the difference for me. I tend to space out a lot and not be connected to the real world in the moment. I am often reminded by friends that I started staring into nothing and I am not paying attention to what is going on. At times like those my mind wanders and goes off on tangents about interesting theories and possible uses for these, many other things.

Conclusion for now( things can change): I'm a well rounded INFP who is capable of relating not just to his own type but to other types as well, most of all to ISFPs. I can sometimes very easily get into the ISFP mindset and live in the moment creating, but the default mode is towards detachment from the physical world and from the here and now.

I also have many ISFP behavior patterns and would like to explore living in the moment. I want to see how I feel about it. There is a possibility that I am more ISFp then INFP and exploring it sounds like fun.

I think this is a good thing :) and will continue to stick around the sub forums, explore the other sub forums as well. There are many good S people I'd like to meet and interact with. :happy:

This place http://www.bestfittype.com/infp.html has good descriptions written by the types themselves.
 
I have an avid imagination but I don't like to waste my time dreaming. I'm that person who hates watching tv because it's not interactive. Seriously, the only time I watch tv is with my hdd connected to it to watch a movie. I'm also that person who falls asleep in class all the time cause it's so boring watching a person speak for an hour.
I think worrying about wasted time is more of an Ne thing :), it seems to indicate more of a concern with what might be. Se isn't just about being interactive, an extremely large part of it is observing. I never fell asleep in school no matter how much I disliked the teaching style, at most I got restless and scribbled doodles.
 
Hey I'm kind of like you, almost everything you named.

1. In college I preferred texts with lots of charts and graphs and pictures, it really helped me to learn instead of just reading the text...and I was a very good student. It was just easier for me to learn from examples and visuals. Even when I train for a job...I like, want to do it. Like show me once or twice, let me do it, and follow me around and look over my shoulder to tell me what I'm doing wrong, instead of having me watch you for days on end. Seriously.

2. Totally like this.

3. I don't relate to this in poetry, but I relate to this with a lot of academic theory, it just looks like boring, complicated blah blah blah to me...but I thought I was N at first because I do like to discuss some theoretical things.

4. Me too.

5. YES!

6. I have an incredible long term memory for things that are nice or meaningful or emotional or whatever, but I 'forget' to do things, and about details I don't care about. I'm more like lazy/absent-minded for what I don't care about than having a truly bad memory.

7. I love exploring!
 
Another question.

How do you get along with estj's?
I think an ISFP could potentially not get along with an ESTJ if they felt like they were being controlled or oppressed by an especially mean or cold ESTJ. I will tell you though that I think NTJs piss me off more than anybody, especially on the Internet. It's weird though because I've met NTJs I've really liked.

I'd fake a smile and say that I'm alright, the friend doesn't have to worry about me. The other possibility is that I will be very very vague and then switch topics. I do not feel comfortable sharing things like that, more comfortable doing it the other way around, giving advice or just listening to the problems of other people, talking with them.
I sometimes even get irritated when someone questions my mood or how I'm doing if I don't feel like talking about it. It seems invasive. I can go on and on about my feelings in writing, but I really don't like for people to ask me how I'm doing, especially if they're strangers. If I want to talk about it, I will. I often will just be like "I'm fine" or blow the person off completely if I'm in that much of a bad mood.
 
o.o want to see this amazing walking stick I found in the mountain stream? Looks like Gandalf's staff from the movies ^^ not the white one, the other one before that. ^^. Well my brother tests as ENTP and he does the same things as I do we both suck at learning from books, he has to especially pay attention at school and try to do everything hands on or else he won't get it either. We both learn better through experience. I was thinking that we confused intelligence with being an intuitive....anyway I can't make up my mind without contrasting some video material. I feel like an INFP, but a more practical down to earth one.



^^ lol I can fully relate to all of that.

Thx everyone for posting.

By the way one last question. How are you guys with names, dates, like street names and names of people? I remember faces, voices, choice of clothing, mannerisms, how to get to certain places, what the buildings look like, the route x.x but with names and dates ...mmmyeah I forget or I don't even find it important to remember.
The staff thing... I think a lot of Se's are like that, honestly. I can see my two ESFP friends bouncing around, seeing things that remind them of movie themes, etc and going off on that tangent. I also do the same. I have a crystal sitting in front of me, that I always joke is "my Dark Crystal" which I always say in an animated voice. Se and Ne can be pretty hard to decipher between.

To the bolded, that sounds like plain and simple, being a perceiver. I can never remember road names, but I find my way around by landmarks, or simply recalling my surroundings.

To the original post, my first thought was ISFP.
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
:p let me tell you what happened this morning.

I went to the store and along the way I couldn't get out of my head. I tried to be there in the moment to see what is happening around me but I kept going off on thought tangents all the time. Stoping my thoughts and focusing again neded to be done many times before grocery shopping was done. I kept wondering about random thigs, why this why that, why does this person think that way, I wonder about this and that, maybe if I do that or did that, kept wondering about the future and what plans I should make now >.<....even when I'm doing something I have parallel thought processes about various things.

During the day I will wonder about a lot of things, from what to eat to what dark energy could mean, to starving polar bears and overheating penguins :p lol to how bizarre quantum mechanics is when you
think about it.

However I do not care about learning about most of these because I see no way of using them for any reason. They ultimately have no practicality other then distraction.

I think I do this because i find real life to be extremely boring most of the time....boring and disappointing.

o.o plus I don't see myself in Kersey's description of the artisans or the artist and I consistently test as INFP on official tests from the book and college.
 
Not saying it's not possible that your an INFP, but these examples aren't the ones to determine whether you're one or not.
Being a sensor doesn't equal 'Not wondering/daydreaming/imagining'.

When I believed I was an INFJ, I thought my imagining process is Ni (which obviously isn't.. since Ni is a subconscious perceiving process and not concious imagining process), and you know how it manifests? There are times that I'm completely off chart. I'm imagining things that I actually question my sanity later on. :)

Most of the time I'm in the same state as you mentioned. When I'm walking in the street, for instance, minutes seem like seconds, because I'm so troubled in my head thinking about the most random things. Past, present, future, known and unknown - Anything and everything. Sometimes I find myself walking and smiling all of a sudden; wishing no one saw that in the distance. :)

Anyhow, being imaginative and being able to make connections between random things is an INFP trait; but not solely.

It seems like you're using the confirmation bias, which is pretty common in trying to determine your type.

Here are some examples of my INFP mom's way of perceiving and thinking:

- 'Oh wow! There's a sprout coming out of the lemon's seed! That must mean something.. probably new beginnings. We just talked about that thing.. it's probably a sign! Can you believe this thing grows to be a tree?! It's so beautiful! I will plant it later. Ohh.. it's so cute. I've never seen anything like that, amazing!'

- 'I once thought about how sad it is to be a tree.. stuck in the same place, not going anywhere.'

- 'I had a meditation this morning, and I felt some kind of waves, and suddenly I realized that it's a connection between our DNA, and it might have a connection to the phonetic Hebrew words in the bible, and by that we can understand things that got encrypted into the bible. I'm unto something here! I can feel there's a connection.. sounds incredible, right?!'

- 'What you want to eat..?-Oh listen! that guy called me earlier..-AH! that reminds me that we need to sit on that thing..-sec, I didn't eat all day, I'll grab a snack..-HEY LOOK! A BUTTERFLY!' ...
Me: 'Mom.. about the What do I want to eat..'
'Oh yeah! What did you decide?'

I still think you're more ISFP than INFP, but that's pretty hard to tell.. INFPs are much more easy to identify when talking to them in person. The constant movement of their eyes is also a very bold sign, indicating on the presence of Ne.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
Not saying it's not possible that your an INFP, but these examples aren't the ones to determine whether you're one or not.
Being a sensor doesn't equal 'Not wondering/daydreaming/imagining'.

When I believed I was an INFJ, I thought my imagining process is Ni (which obviously isn't.. since Ni is a subconscious perceiving process and not concious imagining process), and you know how it manifests? There are times that I'm completely off chart. I'm imagining things that I actually question my sanity later on. :)

Most of the time I'm in the same state as you mentioned. When I'm walking in the street, for instance, minutes seem like seconds, because I'm so troubled in my head thinking about the most random things. Past, present, future, known and unknown - Anything and everything. Sometimes I find myself walking and smiling all of a sudden; wishing no one saw that in the distance. :)

Anyhow, being imaginative and being able to make connections between random things is an INFP trait; but not solely.

It seems like you're using the confirmation bias, which is pretty common in trying to determine your type.

Here are some examples of my INFP mom's way of perceiving and thinking:

- 'Oh wow! There's a sprout coming out of the lemon's seed! That must mean something.. probably new beginnings. We just talked about that thing.. it's probably a sign! Can you believe this thing grows to be a tree?! It's so beautiful! I will plant it later. Ohh.. it's so cute. I've never seen anything like that, amazing!'

- 'I once thought about how sad it is to be a tree.. stuck in the same place, not going anywhere.'

- 'I had a meditation this morning, and I felt some kind of waves, and suddenly I realized that it's a connection between our DNA, and it might have a connection to the phonetic Hebrew words in the bible, and by that we can understand things that got encrypted into the bible. I'm unto something here! I can feel there's a connection.. sounds incredible, right?!'

- 'What you want to eat..?-Oh listen! that guy called me earlier..-AH! that reminds me that we need to sit on that thing..-sec, I didn't eat all day, I'll grab a snack..-HEY LOOK! A BUTTERFLY!' ...
Me: 'Mom.. about the What do I want to eat..'
'Oh yeah! What did you decide?'

I still think you're more ISFP than INFP, but that's pretty hard to tell.. INFPs are much more easy to identify when talking to them in person. The constant movement of their eyes is also a very bold sign, indicating on the presence of Ne.
:S I made a video once...but I'm very nervous in it and have this Russian-English accent going on. ._. I could post it...but the sound isn't that good either...yeah I'll just post it.

x.x.very embarrassing 10 minute whatever.

<.< I swear if I calm down my English is on the level of an American my age -.-;...freaky russian accent brrrr, I'm not even Russian. Tell me if someone can't see it lol.

 
:p let me tell you what happened this morning.

I went to the store and along the way I couldn't get out of my head. I tried to be there in the moment to see what is happening around me but I kept going off on thought tangents all the time. Stoping my thoughts and focusing again neded to be done many times before grocery shopping was done. I kept wondering about random thigs, why this why that, why does this person think that way, I wonder about this and that, maybe if I do that or did that, kept wondering about the future and what plans I should make now >.<....even when I'm doing something I have parallel thought processes about various things.

During the day I will wonder about a lot of things, from what to eat to what dark energy could mean, to starving polar bears and overheating penguins :p lol to how bizarre quantum mechanics is when you
think about it.

However I do not care about learning about most of these because I see no way of using them for any reason. They ultimately have no practicality other then distraction.

I think I do this because i find real life to be extremely boring most of the time....boring and disappointing.

o.o plus I don't see myself in Kersey's description of the artisans or the artist and I consistently test as INFP on official tests from the book and college.
Sounds like being an introvert. I have times where I have difficulty getting out of my own head, too. I was telling someone not too long ago, that even as a sensor, I too have sensotard type moments where I'll start walking into doors, bumping into chairs, tripping over sidewalks from lack of paying attention and too much introverting into my own mind. I'm not disregarding you as an INFP, necessarily, but I just haven't heard anything to really distinguish you between S and N.

:S I made a video once...but I'm very nervous in it and have this Russian-English accent going on. ._. I could post it...but the sound isn't that good either...yeah I'll just post it.

x.x.very embarrassing 10 minute whatever.

<.< I swear if I calm down my English is on the level of an American my age -.-;...freaky russian accent brrrr, I'm not even Russian. Tell me if someone can't see it lol.

Anarchy! You're a boy!!?? XD
I guess it's your old avatar that always threw me off! haha. I'll have to come back and watch the video later.
 
:S I made a video once...but I'm very nervous in it and have this Russian-English accent going on. ._. I could post it...but the sound isn't that good either...yeah I'll just post it.

x.x.very embarrassing 10 minute whatever.

<.< I swear if I calm down my English is on the level of an American my age -.-;...freaky russian accent brrrr, I'm not even Russian. Tell me if someone can't see it lol.

omg you're so cute lol. <3 the fatty cat.

To the case:
I call for ISFP! I'm almost certain I saw your Ni in action, and you don't have the Ne eye movement.

In order to understand what I'm talking about -- those movements aren't those that you look to the sides; but those very rapid movements that you suddenly look to the upper right (your right). That's Ni.

Look at this video of an INFP to compare:


There's so much going on in his eyes. He can't control it.. that's Ne.

HOWEVER! That's my opinion, so don't take my word for it :)
 
Discussion starter · #38 ·
People greatly overrate the tertiary function in terms of how it affects the personality, IMO. ISFPs don't prefer Ni, they prefer Se, and that will prove a much greater influence on their visible personality. The tertiary is an inferior function, one which often manifests itself negatively.

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Originally Posted by Introverted Intuition
As a Tertiary Function, Ni typically leads ISPs to suspect others of hypocrisy and cheating and putting on appearances aimed at exploiting people's credulity--especially hypocrisy inherent in social institutions. Sometimes ISPs draw upon Ni to find ways to throw a monkey wrench into social systems that call them into some kind of obligation: to respond in ways that don't make sense within the system's explicitly stated ways of interpreting behavior as cooperative or hostile (but are indeed hostile).



Consider Se traits now:
- Life is determined by impressions received from outside, to which they react with instinctual impulses
- Facts perceived through the senses are, for people of this type, the only reality.
- They never linger over reflections and principles; they are, to an extreme degree, realists.
- They don't feel any need to evaluate their experiences in any systematic way, but their reactions drive them from one sensation to the next.
- Recognizes the wealth of ancestral experience & understands the meaning of traditional forms better than do individuals of other types, finding it difficult to develop other ways.
- Instinctive aspect in adaptation to the community is also expressed in the faithful maintenance of custom and tradition
- They feel at home in the world, accept things as they are, and know how to adjust themselves to circumstances.
- Strongly reactive. If an object catches their attention, they at once seize hold of it, or they go after it, and study it from all sides, repeating this reaction again and again over a long period of time.
- Such a child needs to have a world of forms, colours and tones. He wants to sniff at every flower, and can with difficulty restrain his impulse to gobble up the things that tempt him.
- Their originality finds expression in a truer and less prejudiced view of facts than others take, with the result that they may also discover fresh facts
- A tendency to expect too little of themselves, since they are very little aware of their own aims and possibilities.
- Stick to experience, empiricists par excellence
- For the sake of special sensation, they pursue all kinds of things which otherwise would not interest them. Not satisfied with a simple pursuit of instinctual gratification. They seek intense and unusual sensations, not only those which are pleasant and easily attained.
- Ideals are directed almost exclusively towards the external, sensory side of life, with the uncomplicated individuals of this type having little inner life
- Doesn't lead exclusively to personal satisfaction of sensuous desires, but can drive him to dedicate his powers to service of a group he identifies with, even to sacrifice himself for it (ie. instinct to protect family physically).
- A great many so-called “ordinary” people belong to this type. If they do create any impression, it is more owing to their success in making an art out of life than to any special qualities.
- Are in general conservative in their practical life, if they see no prospect of advantage in change
- Good observers, often good storytellers, good at practical professions
- Includes many people of good taste, who have developed appreciation of the subtler pleasures of life into a fine art.
- Often capable of discussing problems and theories of life, but more for the pleasure of the discussion than out of interest in the actual problems

Here, you see words/phrases like instinct, ordinary, practical, pleasures, realists, facts, not seeking change, accept things as they are, etc, being used to describe the Se type, and this will apply to ISFPs in varying degrees, & will be more apparent than the opposite function Ni. It gives the impression of someone who is independent & spontaneous in ways, sure, but also not seeking change for its own sake (which tends to be idealistic, not realistic) & focused on making everyday life pleasant & interesting for themselves & their family. The person seeks novel sensory experience, but not necessarily new ways of doing/thinking as the N type often seeks.

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Likewise, Si in the tertiary for the INFP is not a great influence on their personality. It's an inferior function that will pop up in very limited ways, ways which don't greatly influence their mindset nor behaviors. After all, Si is opposite to Ne, just as Ni is opposite to Se, and so one has to be repressed for the other to play a major roe.

This is inferior Si, but I don't doubt it's not that much different in the tertiary for the INFP (at least, this rings true for me):

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Originally Posted by Introverted Sensation
Where Si occupies the inferior position (as it does for those with dominant Ne), it is strongly tainted with unconscious contents. In these cases, Si may manifest as negative/malevolent images of eternal tendencies in people and situations that will not change. Such tendencies may well be present, but inferior Si sees the part as the whole. Inferior Si is also linked to feelings of nostalgia, overwhelmingly vivid internal imagery and a selective recall of facts and memories that are highly emotionally charged.



Basically, Si in an INFP is a distorted, emotional view of sensory information, which tends to cause them to resist adapting to it and/or to romanticize the past. IMO, in INPs in general, Si is at its most idiosyncratic (as Jung & Myers describe it as such; when combined with Je thinking, it then seems stable & predictable), as it's led along by Ji, not Je. An INFP in a Fi-Si loop is probably paranoid, melancholy, neurotic, a loner, filled with chaotic feelings, caught up in wallowing too much to form any routine, etc. They do not become grounded, routinized, pragmatic, etc. Those are the "higher levels" of Si, often due to the influence of Je.

Now consider traits of the Ne type, particularly ones which will show up in varying degrees in INFPs:

- Whereas the Se type is guided by material facts, the Ne type sees in the external world all manner of connections in an original and personal way
- [Ne] seeks possibilities & potential everywhere, and has a special flair for finding them
- [Ne] will often provide a solution in circumstances in which none of the other functions can find a way out
- Forever seeking new paths and new possibilities for the external life, with all current circumstances soon becoming a prison, an oppression - and they long for liberation
- A fact is only valued so long as it opens up new and more important prospects which can liberate the individual.
- In many respects, is the opposite of the Si type, who has a great passivity and a certain dependence on the environment; whereas the Ne type shows much spontaneous activity and independence, even to the point of rebelling against any obligation
- Novelty attracts them, both in people & things, which makes them extremely fickle
- Constantly reveal new facets of their nature, which seem to come to light spontaneously
- Their activity is often very great, but somewhat unpredictable.
- Like to see quick results, and if failing that, their attention is readily distracted by something else
- Show more impulsive energy than concentrated will-power.
- Stimulated by difficulties, for they are by nature combative
- They do not like to admit that they cannot do something
- They will discover fresh possibilities where others have failed
- Take pride in seeing the possibilities of accomplishing something which others regard as impossible
- Startlingly clever, giving an impression of making nothing of the difficulties others struggle with, & they can get away with anything
- As children their spontaneous activity, independence, & rebellion against obligations is evident at a very early age
- Always thinking out something fresh, and their imagination continually suggests fresh possibilities
- They like to impress others by startling remarks or behavior
- When they are at the top of their form, there is something radiant and inspiring about them.
- Many discoverers and inventors belong to this type, but ..... even artists, who manage to find new modes of expression
- May have great difficulty in managing themselves, owing to the constant invasion of fresh inspirations and impulses.
- Excessive spontaneity of their nature makes it extremely difficult for them to keep rules or appointments
- Frequently better at taking the initiative in starting something than at finishing it, leaving others to profit from their idea

Repeatedly do words like spontaneous, original, individual, rebelling, novelty, & liberate pop up in Ne descriptions. Again, this will apply in varying degrees to the INFP, whose focus on people is no more than the ISFP since both are Fi-dom, resulting in a type whose typical way of interacting with the world is very much in a spontaneous, original & individual manner.

If you (in general, not directed at anyone) type people according to definitions & descriptions of types, then you will not see INFPs as being more sensory or less individualistic. If not, then it's likely you are mistyping people because you're not accurately grasping how a type usually manifests.
The guy is checking for people who may enter his room and catch him talking to a camera. It makes sense that he looks to the side here and there because his mind briefly concentrates on trying to hear that.

Read the above quote o.o I find it describes the differences quite nicely. Ne only sees real world possibilities. In this it is very much like Se. Se sees things through facts while Ne sees things through connections.

It seems functions act differently depending on what level they are.

Another nail in the coffin of me being ISFp is that I am an idealist and not a realist. I know how the world is and it bothers me because it could be so much better if only....if only a gr8 many things. They just don't seem to happen and I'm getting tired of w8ting and watching the political games, war on terror for money, carbon gas tax my ass, how does that help? My mind works in terms of "it should be like that and if it isn't then we need to change it". I don't seem to consider the practical side of it much, like resources needing to be invested.

I have been told many times that I need to get my head out of the clouds and start thinking in terms of reality and what is possible. :p I sometimes get really wild ideas like convincing the entire city to stop voting, because I consider voting a participation in propagating the lie that we are living in a democracy, which is really not the case, if only people could look below the surface of all that propaganda crap and see the internal workings of the fascist machine system we are living in.
 
Are you referring to the INFP video? If so, that's a nice concluding, but doubt that's the case. :)

About the quote - That's the problem with all of these descriptions. By what's written, I'm an INFP. Ne description in this quote is how I see the world. Since I'm not an INFP, that says something about all of these descriptions.
We are dealing with a theory, so everything discussed about the functions is no more than assumptions based on what seems on the surface. There are numerous opinions, because there's no facts, but only hypothesises.

Another nail in the coffin of me being ISFp is that I am an idealist and not a realist. I know how the world is and it bothers me because it could be so much better if only....if only a gr8 many things. They just don't seem to happen and I'm getting tired of w8ting and watching the political games, war on terror for money, carbon gas tax my ass, how does that help? My mind works in terms of "it should be like that and if it isn't then we need to change it". I don't seem to consider the practical side of it much, like resources needing to be invested.

I have been told many times that I need to get my head out of the clouds and start thinking in terms of reality and what is possible. :p I sometimes get really wild ideas like convincing the entire city to stop voting, because I consider voting a participation in propagating the lie that we are living in a democracy, which is really not the case, if only people could look below the surface of all that propaganda crap and see the internal workings of the fascist machine system we are living in.
That's.. me.
Which is weird, because you are shorter than me (I think, lol). ;)

The common sentence my family uses towards me in the past 3 years is: 'Stop living in Utopia!'
 
Discussion starter · #40 ·
Are you referring to the INFP video? If so, that's a nice concluding, but doubt that's the case. :)

About the quote - That's the problem with all of these descriptions. By what's written, I'm an INFP. Ne description in this quote is how I see the world. Since I'm not an INFP, that says something about all of these descriptions.
We are dealing with a theory, so everything discussed about the functions is no more than assumptions based on what seems on the surface. There are numerous opinions, because there's no facts, but only hypothesises.



That's.. me.
Which is weird, because you are shorter than me (I think, lol). ;)

The common sentence my family uses towards me in the past 3 years is: 'Stop living in Utopia!'
:p you are no ISFP for sure. Your interaction style reminds me very much of INFJ. Right now you are using deductive reasoning which makes a lot of sense for your type. A tertiary function can not become so developed :) and you seem sure of yourself. I see a lot of Ni-Ti in you. You also bring up your family a lot, Fe values? INFJs in general seem more like Ts then Fs, at least the ones I have encountered.

Just think about it a real ISFP would have given up on this debate by now :) but the two of us...we enjoy this! I certainly enjoy nitpicking what type I am and getting into discussions about it, it isn't just that i want to find out :) I love the discussion way too much for it to be only that. Poking and probing at ideas and theories is the intuitive's sport lol.

:) you definitely have that "I know better" forcefulness of INFJs.

By the way watch the video. The guy sais so himself. Plus on my vid I'm freaked out nervous and trying to be an ENFP. Normally I am very disconnected, don't say much, smile a lot in a coy way and I'm off in my head thinking. People need to poke me to focus because I tend to doze off from reality and be with my thoughts.

;) also my cute demeanor is a trick to lure in unsuspecting victims. I like to torture them with being overly nice and helpful especially in the ways of mental counseling. and inspiring them to get over problem areas. XD smart predators know how to lure in their victims.
 
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