INTP- Their ability to come to a conclusion with an open mind.

WorldzMine · Oct 3, 2015

INTonyP said:
INTP- Their ability to come to a conclusion with an open mind.

No. And this is not a virtue. It's the ability to come to a conclusion with an active mind. The mind open/closed dichotomy is false and complete nonsense that only people who don't use properly defined concepts in their speech would use. The correct dichotomy is whether a persons mind is active or not. Think about why this is true. This poor usage of words annoys me almost as bad as when someone says "He or she has a good 'heart' " when what they actually mean is someone has a good character, values, sense of life, etc. The first statement actually means nothing or worse because "heart" is a nebulous undefined nonsensical anti-concept only a non-thinker would use while the latter words describe things that actually can exist in a person.

Grandmaster Yoda · Oct 3, 2015

WorldzMine said:
No. And this is not a virtue. It's the ability to come to a conclusion with an active mind. The mind open/closed dichotomy is false and complete nonsense that only people who don't use properly defined concepts in their speech would use. The correct dichotomy is whether a persons mind is active or not. Think about why this is true. This poor usage of words annoys me almost as bad as when someone says "He or she has a good 'heart' " when what they actually mean is someone has a good character, values, sense of life, etc. The first statement actually means nothing or worse because "heart" is a nebulous undefined nonsensical anti-concept only a non-thinker would use while the latter words describe things that actually can exist in a person.

Actually a heart is an organ and it's good if it does its job.

yentipeee · Oct 4, 2015

I'd guess that INTPs are the most objective, not necessarily the most open-minded.

If I was wrongfully accused of a crime, I'd want a bunch of INTPs in the jury.

Starless Ubiquity · Oct 5, 2015

maust said:
It seems as though there are two types of INTPs: those who are decisive and have to combat that natural trait, and those who are just bad at making decisions in general. I've found more of the second kind, but I've also known a fair share of the first type.

ae1905 said:
how do you explain this apparent difference?

It is a common misconception INTPs are indecisive. People often forget we have a dominant judging function.
Where we are truly indecisive is in close relationships (weak Fe). Unfortunately, this is where others would push us most.

In reality we often know the answer before we have gone through all the possibilities.
The thing, you see, is we like seeing ourselves as the Just Messengers of Ultimate Truth and will painstakingly go through all options to live up to this inflated title. If we realize we're wrong, however, we will gladly admit it.

It has taken me a while to admit I am more judgmental than I would like to be. Bear in mind, most people would be far more judgmental and close-minded, but I rarely use "most people" as a factor in my own goal-setting and personal development.

Starless Ubiquity · Oct 5, 2015

lightbox said:
I dislike making decisions and would rather give that task to someone else after laying out all the possibilities I can think of.

Do you dislike making decisions or:
1. Their step by step implementation?
2. The consequences of being wrong?

In private life there is no way I would let anyone override my decision-making power. Also, how could I offer all possibilities if I don't gain real life experience through increasing in difficulty decision making?

In professional life I have only met one or two people I would gladly delegate full decision making power to. They are so high up, I would be lucky to work with them in 5-10 years time.

lightbox · Oct 6, 2015

Starless Ubiquity said:
Do you dislike making decisions or:
1. Their step by step implementation?
2. The consequences of being wrong?

When I said I would rather let other people decide I was thinking more mundane issues. I tend to assume a lot of responsibility, so I'd say it's usually more the latter. When I have to make a decision, I ponder thoroughly all possible alternatives I can think of. It can be pretty draining and I hate it, but since I often trust my own judgement more than other people's, I don't delegate unless the topic is unimportant. When I "lay out the facts" for others I'm usually already leaning towards a certain decision, so I suppose I give more facts that support my conclusion. I really dislike being the only one to make a decision, so that way I get some affirmation. My answer is a bit contradictory, but that is how I feel (gasp) about it. I can be annoyingly insecure even though I my mind is telling me I've made the right choice.

Starless Ubiquity · Oct 6, 2015

Thank you for sharing.
This was quite interesting. I can definitely relate to most of what you've written, especially the mundane issues.

Crunchtime · Oct 6, 2015

We seek out truth in all its forms and build our paradigm on it. We pride ourselves on being able to consider all the possibilities before coming to our conclusions. We can be glad in how rock-solid our conclusions are.

However.

When new data is put in our face that challenges our paradigm, it's actually fun, happy-times. Whereas other human beings would dismiss it as stupid or even heretical, we get giddy and play with it like a cat and a field mouse. We try to blow holes it. Scrutinize it. Our own mental porn. We embrace the possibility that we were wrong to some extent and this new piece fits the puzzle better. That's our gig in life. Get *all* the pieces.

I think this is where the 'open-minded'ness comes from. If someone else goes their life believing one thing is one way, that is their truth. It's part of how their world works and makes sense. Something that challenges that challenges their world. Not just them, but the world itself. Nobody really wants to feel like they have been wrong all their lives.....except perhaps us. That's just exciting.

INTP- Their ability to come to a conclusion with an open mind.

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