Those of you with a love of/indulgence in art, what kind of things do you draw/sculpt, and what prompts you to draw/sculpt in general? what do you like about art?
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Those of you with a love of/indulgence in art, what kind of things do you draw/sculpt, and what prompts you to draw/sculpt in general? what do you like about art?
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I draw in sketchbooks. I enjoy the feeling of "witnessing" the sketches develop. I think it's because I give my Ne the wheel and put my Ti to rest.
It always feels like a leap of faith when I start, and I love that feeling. Also, I'm looking at an object when I'm sketching it, so there are little surprises when I look back at the paper and see that my hand did something while I wasn't watching.
It always feels like a leap of faith when I start, and I love that feeling. Also, I'm looking at an object when I'm sketching it, so there are little surprises when I look back at the paper and see that my hand did something while I wasn't watching.
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I wish I was capable of putting away my Ti, as you so eloquently said. No matter how much I try, it's always there in the back of my head going, "Oh, you fucked it up. You messed that bit up. You're a fucking failure at drawing. Why are you even trying?"
Thus, I was naturally drawn to writing, where you can go back and fix things in an endless cycle of perceived inadequacy.
As a teen I did devise a simple pattern in which I could use my mistakes to continue the pattern. Without any flaws it would become static and couldn't continue growing. It was more of a doodle, though, and never took me anywhere.
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This might actually have a solution, if you're interested in developing drawing skills. If you take figure drawing classes at an art school (or museum or whatever), they teach you to draw without looking at your paper. At first, the drawings suck so badly, but you get used to it sucking. And you can't engage Ti because you're not looking at it. Then your hand just learns to do it better. It takes a lot of practice to better reproduce what you're seeing, but it happens. Bonus for you, these classes often include boobies to draw.
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As for writing, yeah, can you imagine how anyone ever wrote anything on paper or a typewriter where you couldn't just delete things into oblivion? I can't. My whole process is zapping mistakes (in writing).
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I love art! I personally like to do surrealistic and realistic sketches and paintings, I like to learn different techniques like point perspective, hatching, color theory etc.It takes focus and hard work to be able to make something look good, and I aprecate that. However as INTP in an art class now, I absolutely can not stand my fellow classmates, they praise where I see mistakes, and gloss it over as if crappy technique is just a signature of art.
And I also don't like abstract/modern art, I just don't see the effort put into it or "the emotions" it conveys.
Any other INTPs not getting the abstract art craze?
And I also don't like abstract/modern art, I just don't see the effort put into it or "the emotions" it conveys.
Any other INTPs not getting the abstract art craze?
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Abstract art, I recently learned, is the sacred territory of the INFPs. It's meant to display raw emotion, but nothing actual. Seems to fit them pretty well.
Edit: Meaning to say... no, I don't fucking get it at all.
The word "art" in itself is an abstract concept. Whistling to make it sound like bird chirping is a technique with a certain artistry involved, so I'd call that art, too. My uncle taught me that. Making a burp last longer than 10 seconds can also arguably be called an art. I'm good at those kinds of things 
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I was never good at art in the traditional sense, though, with drawing and painting etc. Even in childhood, the closest thing I did with drawing was making cartoon-like sketches with different segments. And even then I was only focusing on the story.
roud:I was never good at art in the traditional sense, though, with drawing and painting etc. Even in childhood, the closest thing I did with drawing was making cartoon-like sketches with different segments. And even then I was only focusing on the story.
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Actually, I really love abstract art. (Love the other, too.) Some of it. Not most. Most of it's crap, because the techniques employed can be hacked easily, but they communicate nothing. They don't resonate, they don't "work." But when it works...ahhhhh....
When it works it's like a shot to the head. It just rings, and you don't know why, and you're torn between your reflex to Ti Ti Ti and your desire to just let it flow. To enjoy the mystery.
Strongest example of this happening with something abstract was the first time I saw Anselm Kiefer's Das Buch. It was in a gallery where you had to turn a corner and once you did, it just popped out and surprised you. I froze. And then, I took it all in. The wings. The lead wings. The book. The stand. So many metaphors, so compressed...(not to mention the amazing gallery work that went into the presentation). The history. The everything. I went into an awkward half-squat because my knees literally became weak.
That's not even close to what happened, but I can't write out what happened. All that stuff and more just kind of made my brain go dial tone. And it was emotional, too. In fact, I'm getting a little teary just remembering it (thanks, Si!)
Helen Frankenthaler's work sometimes hits my brain's funny bone this way, too. But that may be more about beauty. I could just sit groovily staring at a Rothko all day, it seems. It just kind of hits a reset button. I don't know.
INTPs are supposed to be able to draw/sculpt? Sheesh. I can draw a stick figure if I have to, and maybe a pre-kindergarten house or flower. I do like designing my own marketing materials though (postcards, business cards, website); I get lots of compliments on them. I use reading- and writing-related paintings (e.g., Renoir's _The Reader_, see link below) in my designs, and that's as far as my relationship with art goes.
https://biblioklept.org/2012/10/26/the-reader-pierre-auguste-renoir/
https://biblioklept.org/2012/10/26/the-reader-pierre-auguste-renoir/
I've drawn all sorts of stuff as long as I can remember. Right now I'm struggling whether to take art more seriously or not and that how to make it feel more enjoyable again. (I've been "artblocking" since middle school, ugh)
Mostly I draw character designs, practice all kinds of stuff, doodle whatever in my sketchbook...
My art is mostly fantasy, sci-fi and nature themed, I suppose.
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Mostly I draw character designs, practice all kinds of stuff, doodle whatever in my sketchbook...
My art is mostly fantasy, sci-fi and nature themed, I suppose.
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I've taken some figure drawing classes before and I remember how at first I absolutely hated it since I wasn't allowed to erase mistakes, look at the paper, get it perfect, etc. But soon enough I came to enjoy it once I got over the fear of making mistakes and learned to 'embrace the mistakes' as the teacher put it and just be messy, the teacher would go around to each person and draw all over their work if she found it was too perfect. I was really sceptical about taking those classes at first but they are really good for developing sketching skills.
There is nothing I don't draw. I do have to say though, layouts and machines are tedious to draw, I prefer humans and animals.
Drawing, when done correctly is a pretty complete mind exercise, it's a balancing act of several things, intuition, knowledge (drawing what you see isn't always advisable, since you're trying to convey what it is) , gesture, proportion, space and line. The moment you feel the workout becomes less intense, switch things around and break your mind again.
It is exactly like learning a language, all the parallels are there, but you're further challenged by the fact it uses different media and senses so that you cannot draw parallels with other languages you already knew.
I don't sculpt (will start in 2 weeks) but when I have to build something I get pretty engrossed.
I had to train myself out of that habit, temporarily shutting out Ti and relying on N. Eventually you learn to balance them so that you can tap into both while drawing.
One of the things I've hated the most about art is the uber pretentious discussions revolving around what it means and what qualifies.
I find most abstract art to be incredibly lazy. Either you are relying on the viewer to give meaning to your art or you're self fellating on a canvas without any intention of conveying anything to others, like a stuck up, passive aggressive brat.
Yeah, so what if you follow composition and colour theory conventions? So could realists and what they did actually took some skill.
You can hardly judge them, though. When you can say "Well there is 'art', and then there is art", it's not exactly a very defined term. Skill and talent is impressive, but what will the objective criteria be when art is subjective?
One of art's definitions according to oxforddictionaries:
There's a lot of room in there to do 'art'.
The discussion on what represents/qualifies as art is a massive, shitswirly black hole of crap where critical thinking is null and void, logic has no voice, and all outcomes are full of poop and sorrow.
It also provides a convenient shield for the lazy, pretentious scumbags that can just get paint enemas, shit them on a canvas and have them bought for preposterous amounts by wealthy people, thinking it validates them as craftsmen when it all invariably amounts to using them for public displays of irony and proof of wealth .
Every time someone even tries to have the discussion with me I just get increasingly angrier and increasingly more graphic.
Art
I'm majoring in computer animation, so it involves extensive art and technology skills. Animation is also often called "acting with a pencil," so there's that aspect of it as well, though animation does allow me to be a recluse when I'm working, unlike acting.
My passion lies in figure, mostly. Something about the technical aspects of the underlying fat, muscle, and skeleton is really fascinating. Pushing the pose towards dynamism is just so satisfying when it comes out right, and something about the information conveyed through posture and form is just... I love it. The human body can be deconstructed to tell a person's entire life story. Completing art is incredibly rewarding. I feel the same way about animals, and their style of movement is always so unique, so I spend a good amount of time sketching them as well.
I'm probably not as emotional of an artist as many other people are, but I substitute for that by thinking about psychology or philosophy and taking my representations of emotion from there. Along the way, I sometimes end up tapping into those long-repressed feelings that us INTPs are rumored to have. The good news is that all my random hobbies can be applied to animation through characters. Though I still have INTP tendencies towards literature, science, and math, those things have an output as well. I've attached some of my messy sketches (5 minute figure drawings, 30 minute feet, bird). I do far more technical sketches than polished compositions - I have the unfortunate habit of not finishing the majority of my fully rendered pieces.
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I'm majoring in computer animation, so it involves extensive art and technology skills. Animation is also often called "acting with a pencil," so there's that aspect of it as well, though animation does allow me to be a recluse when I'm working, unlike acting.
My passion lies in figure, mostly. Something about the technical aspects of the underlying fat, muscle, and skeleton is really fascinating. Pushing the pose towards dynamism is just so satisfying when it comes out right, and something about the information conveyed through posture and form is just... I love it. The human body can be deconstructed to tell a person's entire life story. Completing art is incredibly rewarding. I feel the same way about animals, and their style of movement is always so unique, so I spend a good amount of time sketching them as well.
I'm probably not as emotional of an artist as many other people are, but I substitute for that by thinking about psychology or philosophy and taking my representations of emotion from there. Along the way, I sometimes end up tapping into those long-repressed feelings that us INTPs are rumored to have. The good news is that all my random hobbies can be applied to animation through characters. Though I still have INTP tendencies towards literature, science, and math, those things have an output as well. I've attached some of my messy sketches (5 minute figure drawings, 30 minute feet, bird). I do far more technical sketches than polished compositions - I have the unfortunate habit of not finishing the majority of my fully rendered pieces.
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^ Animators tend to have the most clean and concise gestures, you're no exception.
The second part of your quote here could be considered a pretentious judgement about what qualifies as art?
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