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This is a great show for those of you who haven't seen it yet!

Harvey Specter: ENTP
Mike Ross: INFJ
Louis Litt: ISTJ
Rachel Zane: ESFJ
Donna: INTJ
Jessica Pearson: ESTJ
Trevor: ESTP

Mike and Trevor had a long-lasting 'friendship' but are opposite types.
What do you guys think?
 
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Harvey comes across as ENTJ to me. He seems to like structure, rules (implementing them) and punctuality. His tendency towards unconventionalism comes from being NT, not from P.
Mike is xNFJ.
Donna is an ESTJ ... No way an INTJ chooses to be a secretary.
Louis is a classic ISTJ.
Jessica is ESTJ
 
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BusinessMan said:
Harvey comes across as ENTJ to me. He seems to like structure, rules (implementing them) and punctuality. His tendency towards unconventionalism comes from being NT, not from P.
Mike is xNFJ.
Donna is an ESTJ ... No way an INTJ chooses to be a secretary.
Louis is a classic ISTJ.
Jessica is ESTJ
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From more recent episodes, I'd agree that Harvey is an ENTJ. J's can very much be unconventional. He seems to like to stick with plans too much to be a P..finally I think the function he uses the most is Te. He's blunt and gets things done.
I guess XNTJ types are hardly ever the rule-following types anyway which was my main reason for thinking of Harvey as an ENTP.

Mike strikes me as being more INFJ than ENFJ. He seems far too soft-spoken and mild to be an Extrovert. Or at the very least, he's definitely not as Extroverted as Harvey.

I still see Donna as an INTJ. She's snarky and quick-witted [not that other types can't be but....] She doesn't seem SJ-ish at all. She seems too apathetic towards procedure/protocol compared to the SJs on the show. I think the humor in her character is that she is someone you wouldn't expect to be working as a secretary..an INTJ. Don't be fooled by the fact that she's a secretary when thinking about her type.

Also what type do you think Jenny is? I'm thinking ISFP or possibly ESFP..but I'm thinking an ISFP with a lot of charm.
 
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My latest thoughts..given the rest of the first season and the second season.

Mike INFP 9w1
Harvey ENTJ 3w2
Louis ISTJ 6w5
Jessica ESTJ 1w9
Rachel ESFJ 6w7
Trevor ESTP 8w7
Hartman (this season's bad guy) INTJ 3w4

Re-examining my original theory of Donna being an INTJ..
 
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Harvey is too much of an egocentric power tripper to be an ENTP.
Besides from that he's the closest thing I have to a fictional idol to identify with considering my personal strife for competency, efficiency and Excellency. Also, I'm Te to the extreme at work why I think it might be easy to mistype a person, especially as J, based on that aspect only. Harvey is after all an international man of mystery...
 
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Fawcon said:
Harvey is too much of an egocentric power tripper to be an ENTP.
Besides from that he's the closest thing I have to a fictional idol to identify with considering my personal strife for competency, efficiency and Excellency. Also, I'm Te to the extreme at work why I think it might be easy to mistype a person, especially as J, based on that aspect only. Harvey is after all an international man of mystery...
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Yea, I agree now that Harvey is an ENTJ. Has a very Te-ish attitude towards people in general..especially in how he gives advice to Mike.
 
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I thought harvey and mike are very similar. Maybe 1 letter difference if not the same.

harvey see's mikes as being a young version of himself. He also has 20+ years experience which has created his lack of care....unlike the fresh faced Mike.

And the whole basis for the characters is instead of having this 1 funny arrogant character commanding and controling situations you have 2 arrogant smart ass characters building and feeding off each other. which is quite different to what you normally see in tv series. like a battle of the arrogance
 
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Mike's methods are very Te: get the desired result in the most direct and effective way possible. He expresses more moral compunctions than Harvey, but it's clear he goes by his internal compass rather than following external standards. He also has no problem causing social chaos. So he has Fi but his main method is Te. His bookishness and loner ways seem to say introvert, but he is way too comfortable and successful at being a chameleon in social situations to be a true introvert. I think this series is meant to show what happens when two ENTJs run amok.
 
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jeffbobs said:
I thought harvey and mike are very similar. Maybe 1 letter difference if not the same.

harvey see's mikes as being a young version of himself. He also has 20+ years experience which has created his lack of care....unlike the fresh faced Mike.

And the whole basis for the characters is instead of having this 1 funny arrogant character commanding and controling situations you have 2 arrogant smart ass characters building and feeding off each other. which is quite different to what you normally see in tv series. like a battle of the arrogance
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I don't think they were made to be that similar..Mike isn't quite as arrogant as Harvey.
He just has the smarts to play on Harvey's level.
The difference is that Harvey does that to everyone-regardless of whether the other person likes it or not..or if the person is able to do so. Mike isn't like that at all.
While Harvey was probably more naive when he started out..I have a hard time believing he was ever as soft and openly caring as Mike....

But to be fair, we don't really know what Harvey was like 20 years ago or what Mike will become in 20 years. You could be right..
 
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Thorgar said:
Mike's methods are very Te: get the desired result in the most direct and effective way possible. He expresses more moral compunctions than Harvey, but it's clear he goes by his internal compass rather than following external standards. He also has no problem causing social chaos. So he has Fi but his main method is Te. His bookishness and loner ways seem to say introvert, but he is way too comfortable and successful at being a chameleon in social situations to be a true introvert. I think this series is meant to show what happens when two ENTJs run amok.
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No way Mike has inferior Fi. But you make a good point about him possibly being an E instead of an I.
Why exactly would Te>Fi?

An introvert can be quite comfortable/successful in social situations [I know some introverts who really excel/enjoy this area..particularly the social-ladder climbing types] but it usually takes practice..something I doubt Mike has put the effort for.

ENFP perhaps?
 
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Te>Fi because Te is his natural style. It takes a real crisis and deep reflection before the Fi comes out. He could have inferior Fi. I've seen ENTJs manifest it as an inflexible personal ethic, like Mike's refusal to have a relationship with Rachel without being completely honest with her. It's like their Fi is so hard to access that when it gives them an answer they are loathe to revisit it ever again. INTJs seem more able to use "situational ethics."

While introverts can be successful social climbers, I just don't see them as being able to switch around their social persona on the fly like Mike does.
 
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Thorgar said:
Te>Fi because Te is his natural style. It takes a real crisis and deep reflection before the Fi comes out. He could have inferior Fi. I've seen ENTJs manifest it as an inflexible personal ethic, like Mike's refusal to have a relationship with Rachel without being completely honest with her. It's like their Fi is so hard to access that when it gives them an answer they are loathe to revisit it ever again. INTJs seem more able to use "situational ethics."

While introverts can be successful social climbers, I just don't see them as being able to switch around their social persona on the fly like Mike does.
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Interesting..he definitely doesn't seem like a Te-dom type though. Have you seen the mock trial episode? He couldn't be aggressive like you would see in a Te-dom type. Harvey [ENTJ], Jessica [ESTJ], and Louis [ISTJ] all stand out as being more aggressive and, in my opinion, stronger Te-users. It's not just age..going back to the mock trial episode, the associate Mike went against was also much more hard-charged/aggressive.

Also, his relationship with Trevor makes me think he can't be a Te type. I don't think an ENTJ or ESTJ would ever let a Trevor-type be an albatross around their neck.

Mike's relationship with Harvey is a little different because Harvey encourages others (directly and indirectly) to be snarky/assertive around him. Mike knows he won't offend Harvey if he acts like a smartass.

Also, on the other hand, you could argue that Mike was primarily using Fi in that situation since he believed that he needed to be completely sincere/honest with Rachel in order to have a relationship with her. I've seen Fi types take that approach in relationships.

He often goes against what is logical to do what feels right.

I'm thinking ENFP.
 
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BroNerd said:
Interesting..he definitely doesn't seem like a Te-dom type though. Have you seen the mock trial episode? He couldn't be aggressive like you would see in a Te-dom type. Harvey [ENTJ], Jessica [ESTJ], and Louis [ISTJ] all stand out as being more aggressive and, in my opinion, stronger Te-users. It's not just age..going back to the mock trial episode, the associate Mike went against was also much more hard-charged/aggressive.

Also, his relationship with Trevor makes me think he can't be a Te type. I don't think an ENTJ or ESTJ would ever let a Trevor-type be an albatross around their neck.

Mike's relationship with Harvey is a little different because Harvey encourages others (directly and indirectly) to be snarky/assertive around him. Mike knows he won't offend Harvey if he acts like a smartass.

Also, on the other hand, you could argue that Mike was primarily using Fi in that situation since he believed that he needed to be completely sincere/honest with Rachel in order to have a relationship with her. I've seen Fi types take that approach in relationships.

He often goes against what is logical to do what feels right.

I'm thinking ENFP.
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interesting
 
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Here are my thoughts on the "Suits" characters in terms of Enneagram.


My thoughts on the main characters
Harvey Specter
3w2(sw2w1)-7w8(sw6w7)-8w7(sw7w6) so/sx

Mike Ross
9w1(sw1w2)-2w1(sw1w9)-6w7(sw5w6) so/sp

Louis Litt
6w5(sw5w4)-1w2(sw2w3)-3w4(sw4w5) sp/so

Rachel Zane
6w7(sw7w8)-9w1(sw1w2)-2w1(sw1w9) so/sx

Donna Paulsen
6w7(sw7w8)-1w2(sw9w1)-2w1(sw1w9) sx/so

Jessica Pearson
3w2(sw2w1)-6w5(sw7w6)-1w9(sw2w1) so/sp

Agree? Disagree?
 
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I'm not familiar enough with the Enneagram system to make a judgment call.

Here's my hypothesis on each character's Myers-Briggs type:

Harvey Specter, ENTJ. He's the archetypal executive - dominating and determined. Additionally, he has a glaring act of Fi.

Mike Ross, INFP. Mike once told Daniel Hardman he "didn't have a social life," strongly suggesting he's an introvert. His hesitancy to forge test results depicts his ardency to maintain his values. It is only until he realizes his grandmother's need, a higher value, that he compromises his lower value.

Donna Paulsen, ESFJ.

Rachel Zane, INFJ. I'm basing this solely off her interactions with Mike.

Daniel Hardman, INTP or INTJ.

I'll agree with the general consensus on Louis Litt and Jessica Pearson, but I question her T/F preference.
 
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Iustinus said:
I'm not familiar enough with the Enneagram system to make a judgment call.

Here's my hypothesis on each character's Myers-Briggs type:

Harvey Specter, ENTJ. He's the archetypal executive - dominating and determined. Additionally, he has a glaring act of Fi.

Mike Ross, INFP. Mike once told Daniel Hardman he "didn't have a social life," strongly suggesting he's an introvert. His hesitancy to forge test results depicts his ardency to maintain his values. It is only until he realizes his grandmother's need, a higher value, that he compromises his lower value.

Donna Paulsen, ESFJ.

Rachel Zane, INFJ. I'm basing this solely off her interactions with Mike.

Daniel Hardman, INTP or INTJ.

I'll agree with the general consensus on Louis Litt and Jessica Pearson, but I question her T/F preference.
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I can see how INFP works for Mike.
As for Rachel, I can see how NFJ works but I'm curious about your arguments for I over E.
 
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