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#41 ·
Synthesised said:
I actually could, and would put time in to constructing a wonderful post if requested. Alas, people chose to get butthurt / passive-aggressive the shit out of me (highly amusing to me, by the way).

It's all good. I was done after my initial post really, but people keep quoting me.

'Don't feed the troll, kids!'

:)
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Here's a quote: "I came onto this thread and directly insulted INFJs' intelligence and got a negative response? Those silly people!"

Directly calling you out for your antics isn't being "passive-aggressive", it's telling you point-blank that we're annoyed with your behavior. Do you need more clarification?
 
#42 ·
Synthesised said:
That's because my post was tongue in cheek, and quite clearly a 'shitpost'. It was never meant to be taken seriously.
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Right,.. Did you decide that before or after I commented?
 
#43 ·
zosio913 said:
Here's a quote: "I came onto this thread and directly insulted INFJs' intelligence and got a negative response? Those silly people!"

Directly calling you out for your antics isn't being "passive-aggressive", it's telling you point-blank that we're annoyed with your behavior. Do you need more clarification?
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You're flogging a dead horse now. We've clearly established that people didn't like my post. I'm half tempted to apologise and better explain myself, but I find the 'Srs bsns' attitude here so very dreary. Really - I'm done. I apologise if my post offended some people. If you truly think that I was insulting the intelligence of the INFJ, I can assure you that I am not: of the INFJs I know, at least two are smarter than me. One tremendously so. Type has zero bearing on intelligence (that's your opportunity to get a dig in at me - you know you want to).

Peter said:
Right,.. Did you decide that before or after I commented?
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Long before, Peter.

You can stop patting yourself on the back now ;)

Whether you like it or not, not once did somebody approach me (after I offered) with a "Yes, please elucidate us further as to why you may or may not see the INFJ this way; let's discuss this properly". Instead, you sought only to chastise me because you misconstrued my post as somehow malicious. All assumptions based on very little data.

That's also shitty behaviour, FYI.

There are no winners here. Only silly people arguing over the internet. Ni dominants, of all types!

So, if you'd like to start again and drop the pissant act, great. If not, kindly fuck off with dragging me back in to this thread. It's a waste of time at this point.

(TO CLARIFY: I apologise; I do not see INFJs as unintelligent. Quite the contrary).
 
#44 ·
Synthesised said:
Whether you like it or not, not once did somebody approach me (after I offered) with a "Yes, please elucidate us further as to why you may or may not see the INFJ this way; let's discuss this properly". Instead, you sought only to chastise me because you misconstrued my post as somehow malicious. All assumptions based on very little data.

That's also shitty behaviour, FYI.

There are no winners here. Only silly people arguing over the internet. Ni dominants, of all types!

So, if you'd like to start again and drop the pissant act, great. If not, kindly fuck off with dragging me back in to this thread. It's a waste of time at this point.

(TO CLARIFY: I apologise; I do not see INFJs as unintelligent. Quite the contrary).
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I think my posts already adressed this subject. You offered an opinion with no arguments to support it. Therefore, I felt as much entitled as you are to introduce my opinion in the same way you did. It is unwise to point fingers at people for expressing their experience on a forums when you did the same exact thing. I simply disagreed. Then, you required rational arguments to support my claim. If you demand elaborate posts from other individuals I guess you should be the first to write an elaborate post.
But I agree that this is derailing the thread. I hope I did not sound rude or offensive and I imagine no one of us likes this debate so we can easily drop it down.
 
#46 ·
Synthesised said:
Long before, Peter.

You can stop patting yourself on the back now ;)

Whether you like it or not, not once did somebody approach me (after I offered) with a "Yes, please elucidate us further as to why you may or may not see the INFJ this way; let's discuss this properly". Instead, you sought only to chastise me because you misconstrued my post as somehow malicious. All assumptions based on very little data.

That's also shitty behaviour, FYI.

There are no winners here. Only silly people arguing over the internet. Ni dominants, of all types!

So, if you'd like to start again and drop the pissant act, great. If not, kindly fuck off with dragging me back in to this thread. It's a waste of time at this point.

(TO CLARIFY: I apologise; I do not see INFJs as unintelligent. Quite the contrary).
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You know, you made a post, which seemed like a normal post. I replied to it in a normal way. Then you defended yourself by saying you wrote a shitty post that wasn't suposed to be taken seriously.

Maybe being an INTJ means a certain inability to detect shitty posts from normal posts,........ but to be honest, about 80% of the posts in this form are shitty,... your shit did not specifically stand out from other shit. And in my experience, a lot of people write shitty post without being aware of it. Most people are serious about what they write and most people appreciate it when someone takes the time to respond one of their posts, even if someone doesn't agree with them. You responded in a very aggressive way,.. totally unnecessary.

I wonder if in interaction with people in the real world you behave like this. I can't imagine it because this kind of behaviour in the real world gets you a lot of punches in the face.

INFJ's may be better able to deal with someone like you, but what you´re doing here, being very unfair and agressive for no reason at all, get's an INTJ upset really quickly. You´re stepping on an INTJ's Fi toes here which are very long when people treat him unfairly.


It's already sad that someone has to throw his credentials around in order to prove his worth. If you can't show your worth with decent posts, perhaps you shouldn't write at all.
 
#47 ·
Peter - it's done; we're finished.

As for being punched in the face... not really. I'm actually a very pleasant individual, and tend to get ahead in life. Perhaps your Fi should seek to understand me more (seeing as it's apparently so developed) rather than scalding me and dragging up an already settled tiff, hm?

Think about this. You're getting angry at somebody you don't even know, on the internet. This isn't conducive to anything. Let it go. Crikey.

[EDIT] Oh, and the latter half of the post you quoted wasn't actually aimed at you - I stopped referring to you after the 'pat on the back' comment... so FYI, you're actually barking up the wrong tree entirely.

:/
 
#49 ·
Synthesised said:
Peter - it's done; we're finished.

As for being punched in the face... not really. I'm actually a very pleasant individual, and tend to get ahead in life. Perhaps your Fi should seek to understand me more (seeing as it's apparently so developed) rather than scalding me and dragging up an already settled tiff, hm?

Think about this. You're getting angry at somebody you don't even know, on the internet. This isn't conducive to anything. Let it go. Crikey.

[EDIT] Oh, and the latter half of the post you quoted wasn't actually aimed at you - I stopped referring to you after the 'pat on the back' comment... so FYI, you're actually barking up the wrong tree entirely.

:/
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Finished? We? I didn't even start yet. I'm being polite.

Why do you even participate in this forum? Nobody needs your shitty posts. Perhaps in real life you are a pleasant person, but something is wrong. Perhaps you lack the guts in real life to do what you do in here and are over doing it. Don't be a wannabe. It's pointless.
 
#50 ·
Peter said:
Finished? We? I didn't even start yet. I'm being polite.

Why do you even participate in this forum? Nobody needs your shitty posts. Perhaps in real life you are a pleasant person, but something is wrong. Perhaps you lack the guts in real life to do what you do in here and are over doing it. Don't be a wannabe. It's pointless.
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Ok, Peter.

Have yourself a lovely day :)
 
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#52 ·
INTJ: No smile or facial expression nearly ever. When they do smile, it's awkward looking
INFJ: We smile a few times a month

INTJ: Cares about or values status, educational credentials to determine a person's knowledge (initially). E.G. if you tell them your son has a Masters degree, they're "impressed" (for lack of giving a damn).
INFJ: We don't give two shits. We determine your knowledge by interacting with you

INTJ: Masterminds of situations
INFJ: Masterminds of people

INTJ: Sarcastic, asshole-ish humor
INFJ: Sweet sarcastic, asshole humor

INTJ: Will correct you when your logic or facts are wrong
INFJ: Won't notice

INTJ: Usually types as an INTJ
INFJ: Types as every type, is confused about type, takes test multiple times a day, asks everyone else what and who they are, still confused after typing correctly

Anymore and I'll have to charge :exterminate:
 
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#53 ·
Nothing1 said:
INTJ: No smile or facial expression nearly ever. When they do smile, it's awkward looking
INFJ: We smile a few times a month

INTJ: Cares about or values status, educational credentials to determine a person's knowledge (initially). E.G. if you tell them your son has a Masters degree, they're "impressed" (for lack of giving a damn).
INFJ: We don't give two shits. We determine your knowledge by interacting with you

Anymore and I'll have to charge :exterminate:
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INTJ's give no fuck about degrees, status, or credentials. A person with a PHD is an idiot until they do something smart.
 
#54 ·
Nothing1 said:
INTJ: No smile or facial expression nearly ever. When they do smile, it's awkward looking
INFJ: We smile a few times a month

INTJ: Cares about or values status, educational credentials to determine a person's knowledge (initially). E.G. if you tell them your son has a Masters degree, they're "impressed" (for lack of giving a damn).
INFJ: We don't give two shits. We determine your knowledge by interacting with you

INTJ: Masterminds of situations
INFJ: Masterminds of people

INTJ: Will correct you when your logic or facts are wrong
INFJ: Won't notice

INTJ: Usually types as an INTJ
INFJ: Types as every type, is confused about type, takes test multiple times a day, asks everyone else what and who they are, still confused after typing correctly
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INTJ's can smile too. Usually for a reason.

INTJ's aren't impressed with credentials. It can help initially, like you mentioned, but it's what people say or do that means more. And we don't have to interact with people to determine opinions about people.

People are situations too. But usually people situations are annoying or unimportant.

INTJ's may correct you when you´re wrong, but it's not about correcting you.

INFJ's not sure about their type? I see that a lot in INFP's, but hardly ever I see INFJ's wondering about their type. At least in this forum, it's almost always INFP's, hardly ever INFJ's. I think doubt about type is more a P thing than a J thing.
 
#55 ·
disclaimer: started out determined not to let this go down predictable paths . . . may have run out of gas a little bit towards the end.

to the op: the main difference i've seen between myself and the only infj i know as a personal friend, is she actually has a sense of civic/communal responsibility. i'm more like i have an equally intense sense of personal accountability, but i don't take it out on the road like she does. but it's hard to tell since the basis of our friendship isn't really concentrated around anything i would perceive as being related to type.

Drecon said:
Let them explain something to you. INFJ's tend to go into the fundamental 'why' of the problem, while INTJ's tend to describe it more in terms of 'what' you can do with it.
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for me this depends on my assessment of the context behind the question - the person's reasons, focus, basically what they actually need me to explain. ime 'why do you ask' is a super-common and very sincere (i.e. non-superior) intj response to a question of any kind. we really do need context before we can take a direction that's going to have value for whoever it is. so, yeah. i'll tell people 'what they can do' IF i feel like that's what they're actually asking me for. but i'm very likely to do a lot of diagnostic work first before i dig in and provide them with that.

INTJ's usually really care about the fate of the human race, but more out of the practical perspective that "this is the world I live in and I want it to be the best one possible". It's a more pragmatic approach, but no less noble (usually).
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i don't think i agree with this. however, it seems typical for us to be very private about our own ethical fires, so it probably does look this way to a lot of people. something i still remember from the mb test was the repeated recurrence of 'justice versus []' questions. remember them because those were the slam-dunk ones where i instantly knew where i stood. point is: it was about 'justice' not 'efficiency' or whatever the supposed intj buzzword is.

Synthesised said:
- INTJs [snip] Whilst they appreciate that certain things do not make sense, they ascribe this deficit in knowledge simply to our current and limited scientific understanding of the universe.
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i don't think it's only about science. most of the ones i know fairly well from our forum have no problem recognizing 'softer' types of deficit too. it's too bad when that range gets reduced to the monochrome label of science-centrism. i don't give a stuff about science, myself.

lavendersnow said:
whereas INTJs usually debate things which 'just make logical sense to them' even if it is at the expense of people's feelings and happiness, which I find unacceptable.
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i loathe debate :wink:. but this is another thing where i think the reality is often subtly different from what people take it to be. we focus on long-term and global systems. so a lot of the time, you'll see an intj being apparently 'cold' about some here-and-now thing, but their focus can still be on the same 'empathic' wavelength as the other person. the difference is quantitative (in the sense that we look further down the wave), rather than qualitative (in the sense that we're surfing a different one).

INTJs always seem to find a way of saying their failure or mistake was someone else's doing, never their own
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idk about that as a general rule . . . over in intj-world the most common clashes i see are fe/fi struggles. the intj won't accept responsibilities the infj thinks they 'should', and the words 'guilt trip' come up a lot on our side. i don't think we tip more of our garbage into other people's back yards than any other type, statistically. but we sure don't take on garbage we don't see as our own.

While I know a few INTJs on here who say they are very good listeners, they admit that people find the fact they jump to give advice or guidance when they should be listening and consoling, hard to deal with, abrasive and lacking sympathy,
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ime the advice-dispensers among us usually say they find 'merely' listening very frustrating. whereas the 'good' listeners often do just listen and don't give advice for a range of reasons. so, yeah. across our population we do cover the gamut, but i've found we are two separate strands within our own group.

i do think we don't leap to empathize vocally. but 'good listener' is like 'good sense of humour' - could mean anything, and really the definition is in the preferences of the consumer. infjs, no offence, are actually awful listeners if you happen to be someone who hates being 'hugged' or given an empathy drench. i'd go a long distance out of my way not to confide in any fe person, or even to let them know that i'm feeling something. possibly a major source of the 'cold', 'has no feelings', 'can't identify feelings' ideas. i personally can, but i'm very very selective about the display.

zosio913 said:
INTJs can be pretty silly as well, in my experience. I believe that it's an Se-inferior quirk to have a side of you which is just plain stupid when it's time to relieve stress.
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we gather by the light of the moon and do it for the pure fun of it too, you know :wink:. depends on who's watching, of course.

Nothing1 said:
INTJ: No smile or facial expression nearly ever. When they do smile, it's awkward looking
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i hope you're kidding. i'm wearing my expressionless face-like-a-boot right now just in case you weren't.

INTJ: Cares about or values status, educational credentials to determine a person's knowledge (initially).
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no.

INTJ: Masterminds of situations
INFJ: Masterminds of people
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i don't think we're masterminds of anything. don't know about you people. but it's true i've met people in both types who seem to think they're masterminds of those respective domains.
 
#56 ·
Peter said:
Finished? We? I didn't even start yet. I'm being polite.

Why do you even participate in this forum? Nobody needs your shitty posts. Perhaps in real life you are a pleasant person, but something is wrong. Perhaps you lack the guts in real life to do what you do in here and are over doing it. Don't be a wannabe. It's pointless.
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Gotta love that INTJ burn.

Speaking of:

- INFJs aren't that good at burning people this way. They may be extremely good at it after a long time of tolerating negative behaviour from a person, though.

- INTJs are perfect at burning people through sentences.
 
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Necrilia said:
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Gotta love that INTJ burn.

Speaking of:

- INFJs aren't that good at burning people this way. They may be extremely good at it after a long time of tolerating negative behaviour from a person, though.

- INTJs are perfect at burning people through sentences.
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This is another good thing to highlight, actually; at no point did I perceive any burn. Had the shoe been on the other foot (myself making the same points to Peter), I'm confident in saying that he wouldn't feel burn either. Quite the contrary - a grin (not conflict averse; find some pleasure in it / derive some stimulation from it) and merely the knowledge that we have a difference of opinion.

Now, it has been my experience that INFJs can also be a lot like this. You have to be careful sometimes - you can't 'brute force' them like you would someone with a T preference, but you can absolutely prod and poke. However, Fe dominants and Fi dominants do seem to struggle a bit more with this. Not always, but certainly more often.

Sounds rather obvious-cat I know, but I can confirm it to be the case.

:)
 
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dudehere said:
Please make a list so its easy to read with similarities and differences, the more you write the better. For example:

1) INTJs tend to stand straight, while INFJs dont
2) They both can do great evil and have an ability to manipulate people, though INFJs only do this under great stress
3) INFJs are old souls
4) INFJs are really open and friendly
5) INTJs usually have an air of superiority
6) They both struggle with authority, specially the INTJ (Lack of Se)
7) The INTJ and the INFJ are both living walking radars (this is in my experience)


Say anything that comes to your mind, the things they do, the things they say, the way they think, the clothing style they wear, anything that can give an idea of how to difference this two types. Similarities are important, because there are some traits that someone might believe are from one of the types, when both of them have them.

Remember that we are talking about stereotypes and that the ultimate goal is having fun!:tongue:
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INFJ have (Fe); granted - their ''(Ni)'' work(s) with people. It ''rants,'' on (&) on about people. When I talk from my (Fi) hunches are self-centered. When I make a decision it is a logical - self-centered one, lol. I think it is the (Fi) that screw(s) up INTJ so much. My Ni is elsewhere; working with possibilities of situational effects - objects, et al - rather than with people. It does not get exhausted with people - I am actually rather ''people'' illiterate. INFJ seem more people literate - their (Ni) reads / syncs with other people. I will have a hunch about an individuals ''intentions,'' rather than something personally innate to the person.

With Te / Fi - I'll cut-out useless people for the ''best,'' ways to help others but it's not for others, its for me - thinking that 'through me' I do what is best for them. Rather than, through ''them'' it is what is best for me.

I appear ''heavy,'' - or perhaps more stiff - as my 'rational / logical' processing unit(s) are 'connecting' or patternizing things logically - rather than more 'loosely' with what is felt.

#1 Rule :: Do not invite an INTJ to a party - most will spoil. They would've made up their mind(s) they dislike all individual(s) within said party before even arriving - an INFJ would just sit in a corner + quietly read // observing the people (&) atmosphere.
 
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kinkaid said:
INTJ's give no fuck about degrees, status, or credentials. A person with a PHD is an idiot until they do something smart.
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The INTJs I know do, and this i.e. my statements are based off my experiences.
 
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