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Any latest developments? This story is so cute :happy: I really hope it works out!
I've been forlorn about the whole thing. He's come in a couple of times, ate really fast, and bolts for the door. If actions are indicators for liking someone, I'm getting the feeling he doesn't want anything to do with me. :(

I don't really know what it is I'm supposed to do. I'd like to just be able to talk to him, but there's an invisible arm keeping me at arm's length. The vibe I'm getting is that he doesn't want anything to do with anybody and it breaks my heart. It's hard to remain hopeful in a situation like this...
 
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I did hesitate before posting my flippant comment in response (I know, that's hard to believe that I almost censured myself) ; attention might be nice however unwanted attention and stalking is very much not nice and can be seriously disturbing.

I think you meant to say you "censored yourself." :tongue:
 
I've been forlorn about the whole thing. He's come in a couple of times, ate really fast, and bolts for the door. If actions are indicators for liking someone, I'm getting the feeling he doesn't want anything to do with me. :(

I don't really know what it is I'm supposed to do. I'd like to just be able to talk to him, but there's an invisible arm keeping me at arm's length. The vibe I'm getting is that he doesn't want anything to do with anybody and it breaks my heart. It's hard to remain hopeful in a situation like this...
Maybe he's been in a hurry lately? Eating fast is a normal routine for me. When I'm short on time, I eat really fast. I think if he truly didn't want anything to do with you, he wouldn't be showing up anymore.

What do you know about him so far? Do you know what his favorite food is or where he works? I think if you can find out what has passions are or what common interests you share with him, it'll be much easier to talk with him. To me there's a big difference between engaging in trivial small talk and having a fruitful conversion with someone. When people ask me generic questions like "how am you doing?" or "what do you have planned for the weekend?" I usually don't say much because I don't see any reason to say anything more. When someone asks me about my college classes, accounting, politics, history, etc. I'm inclined to say a lot more because I enjoy sharing my knowledge and learning from others. I'm a lot more comfortable with talking about what I know versus expressing my feelings or any other personal information about myself.
 
Maybe he's been in a hurry lately? Eating fast is a normal routine for me. When I'm short on time, I eat really fast. I think if he truly didn't want anything to do with you, he wouldn't be showing up anymore.
I agree. If I don't like someone, I avoid situations or going to places where I would need to interact with this person. Like @flamesabers mentioned, perhaps he is just really busy lately. Take work for example - if I have a deadline to meet, I don't feel 'calm' until it's completed. I have to eat though, so in that case I'll just take a quick lunch so that I can get back to work and finish the task as soon as possible. Then all is right with the world again :)
 
I've been forlorn about the whole thing. He's come in a couple of times, ate really fast, and bolts for the door. If actions are indicators for liking someone, I'm getting the feeling he doesn't want anything to do with me. :(

I don't really know what it is I'm supposed to do. I'd like to just be able to talk to him, but there's an invisible arm keeping me at arm's length. The vibe I'm getting is that he doesn't want anything to do with anybody and it breaks my heart. It's hard to remain hopeful in a situation like this...
Giving up so easily? You were told that he was really shy.
 
@SweetieDee

Your anxiety about how he views you is completely understandable. You're probably wondering whether he's onto you and whether some inner disdain of you is causing him to do what you view as avoiding you. Only problem is there are probably tons of other cafes in town where he could've chosen to eat if he'd really been trying to avoid you. Plus you're both adults--it's not high school all over where he's snarfing down his lunch in the cafeteria as fast as possible and trying to escape before you can ask him out to Sadie Hawkins.

In the worst-case scenario, you can ask him out and get shot down. At least you'll clear yourself of doubts. In a better-case scenario, he could just say yes! But of course, for either to happen, you need to pull the trigger. Shy guy doesn't sound like he's going to do it.

Nothing gained, nothing ventured.
 
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@SweetieDee

Your anxiety about how he views you is completely understandable. You're probably wondering whether he's onto you and whether some inner disdain of you is causing him to do what you view as avoiding you.
This is exactly how I feel. It's all been one-sided on my part, and entirely unrequited. I know that I get too emotional, and perhaps I find all fault within me, but a bitter seed is being planted in my heart and I'm finding it really hard to smile or look forward to anything. All because I'm too scared of what I've convinced myself will be absolute rejection.

I'm still healing from an emotionally abusive relationship that ended three years ago. He shattered my confidence beyond belief. For the most part, I've been able to move on. He was a narcissistic monster who had me convinced that I was fat, and ugly, and worthless. Even though I know it's not true, and even though I know he was deflecting his misery upon me, there's a soft little voice inside of me that occasionally whispers "He was right."

At this moment in time, I'm just assuming that I'm not anything that anyone wants, and that my efforts should cease because it's all for naught.

I sound pathetic and feel pathetic, I know. I'm sorry for the "woe is me" story. My heart is just empty today, and devoid of anything positive.
 
@SweetieDee -

The self-talk you are hearing indicates that you may not be ready for a relationship, just yet. You need to work on making those tapes go away, permanently. Whether someone accepts or rejects you as a potential friend or mate does not provide a measure of your worth. Relationships work/don't work for a myriad of reasons and it is not all about you. Rejection very likely means that they don't feel ready for a relationship at this time. It could also mean that that they need time to process all of the emotions that come from finding themselves attracted by, or an attraction to, a beautiful woman - it can be a very heady thing for a shy person.

And of course, it could be that this is an unanswered prayer - one that you'll look back to in a few years and say, "Whew! Dodged that bullet."

:)
 
If he really wanted to avoid you he could find someplace else to eat. His speediness could very well be a sign of his shyness and could even be a sign that he likes the cute waitress working there, especially if he's speedy when he comes in alone. I think the most important thing is to be steady and friendly toward him, continuing to be cautious and respectful of him as you have been.

I know, easy for me to say. If it helps any, I have a similar situation with a guy I like so much I can't stand it (the difference being that he's an extrovert and not shy). With circumstances completely against me I've had to go out of my way to play a much bigger part in initiating a friendship than I've ever had to do before, which has been absolutely terrifying to me in every way; and to make it worse, this guy is miles out of my league, I can't even express how much so, but there was something about him deeper than his good looks and social graces that I knew was exactly in my league, and even despite my lack of self-confidence I had a clear sense that I had something to offer him that would be good for him, so I hung in there, and it turns out I was right. I mean, we're just friends, and our friendship is still young and fragile, but what we have in common turns out to be more than I even imagined. Still, some days the voice of self-doubt convinces me that he only acts like a friend toward me out of kindness. So I understand your self-doubt. Just don't let it get to you or interfere with the good way you have of treating this guy.

So, my recommendation is that if you feel this strongly about him, keep on doing what you're doing and trust your instincts. Si-doms more than any other types need to approach relationships slowly and cautiously (I have an ISTJ father and ISFJ brother), and things happen most gracefully when a man is given the space to take the lead, in his own time, when he's ready. So, I would keep doing what you're doing, be friendly, be steady, avoid coming on too strong, but maybe consider finding ways to let him know that if he were to take some initiative with you, he wouldn't be shot down. I don't know; what do you ISTJs think?
 
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That's a very sweet story, petitpelerin. Even with my bitter heart today, after reading your words, I felt a little flicker of hope. Thank you.
 
So, my recommendation is that if you feel this strongly about him, keep on doing what you're doing and trust your instincts. Si-doms more than any other types need to approach relationships slowly and cautiously (I have an ISTJ father and ISFJ brother), and things happen most gracefully when a man is given the space to take the lead, in his own time, when he's ready. So, I would keep doing what you're doing, be friendly, be steady, avoid coming on too strong, but maybe consider finding ways to let him know that if he were to take some initiative with you, he wouldn't be shot down. I don't know; what do you ISTJs think?
I think your advice on this matter is sound. I prefer to build relationships slowly over time and see how things develop on their own rather than quickly try to rush towards an end goal.
 
That's a very sweet story, petitpelerin. Even with my bitter heart today, after reading your words, I felt a little flicker of hope. Thank you.
Aww. Thanks, and that makes me happy. I've had a bit of a bitter week myself, but don't give up hope! Honestly, you sound very sweet yourself and just the right combination of quirky and thoughtful that an ISxJ guy could go for. I'm hoping it works out for the best for you. Keep us posted.
 
I've had the tough time with not saying anything when approached by women who like me, but the reason why I refuse is because I wouldn't be able to put in 100% in the relationship. So for example, I am going to school out of state and starting a relationship would be too difficult for either of us to sustain.
 
SweetieDee, it can be very damaging to go through a abusive relationship and the thoughts that stay in your head even after the relationship is over. Words can damage a person just as much as any physical abuse does. Others have said it dont rush, in your own way make a connection but more importantly you have to put aside the negative talk in some way or decide if wanting a connection with this person is something you really want.
 
I'm still healing from an emotionally abusive relationship that ended three years ago. He shattered my confidence beyond belief. For the most part, I've been able to move on. He was a narcissistic monster who had me convinced that I was fat, and ugly, and worthless. Even though I know it's not true, and even though I know he was deflecting his misery upon me, there's a soft little voice inside of me that occasionally whispers "He was right."

At this moment in time, I'm just assuming that I'm not anything that anyone wants, and that my efforts should cease because it's all for naught.
Well, if that's you in your avatar, I'd be proud to disagree with your former boyfriend.
 
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He's came in a few times, and it's still the same. I try to figure out how to delicately tell him I'd like to hang out, but before I can muster the courage, he leaves.

I'm getting very frustrated with myself. The fear of being rejected is paralyzing me. A part of me would rather just get it over with, deal with my shattered heart, and hopefully move on. The other part of me prefers floating in daydream limbo. For some reason the idea of him reciprocating doesn't occur to me. I suppose it's a possibility...but what if it isn't? This is the battle that I fight every time I see him. When I think about it deeply, I realize I'm waiting for some inkling of an indication that I'm not going to get hurt. That's when I'll "make my move."

It bears repeating: I'm getting very frustrated with myself.
 
Wait, is this the same guy you made a thread about in the INFP subforum? If so, just ask him out. I've asked out guys before. Some say yes and some say no, but if they say no, they're very nice about it. I mean think about it, it's very nice thing to know that someone likes you that way.
 
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