Enneagram types of celebrities

psyche · Oct 27, 2016

Whenever I've seen Manson interviewed he comes across sx-last to me. He's just so, so dry. I remember watching this tribute concert for The Cure that he was hosting and he came across that way, but when he had to get close to Robert Smith and pantomime sensuality and obsession with his music it felt kind of...forced. Like he was switching something on for that part of the show. Lady Gaga feels that way to me, too: you'd think from listening to Bad Romance that she has a lot of sx, but you watch her interviewed and it's like she's on autopilot, really dry.

I don't know much about them, though, honestly. I'm just thinking of interviews I've seen, fwiw.

mistakenforstranger · Oct 27, 2016

Manson - 4w5 sx/so

Sp-last:

"Yes, I'm reckless and sometime express no concern for my own well being, and I express a misanthropic view of the world, but to have an opinion, you can't be a nihilist."

"Someday, when I manage to finally figure out how to take care of myself, then I'll consider taking care of someone else."

"I don't want to feel like I've matured. That's a stupid word that I never want to use."

"I was married to someone who wanted me to change. Become more adult, more responsible. I began not to like myself, not like what I do. I lost my identity. Everything began collapsing around me."

SP blind spot - lack of solid foundation, lack in comfort and coziness, lack in attention to health, maintenance, and personal safety. Such individuals often have a hard time focusing on issues such as financial security or the commitment to the development of practical skills. There is fear is of being an "eternal child" who won’t take care of one-self and expectation of failure in dealing with self-preservation matters. At the same time these people tend to look down on SP-domain and may express cynicism towards it e.g. call it "fearful" and "fussy", state that SP people "don’t know how to really live". When the instinct for self-preservation is last in the instinctual stacking, the individual will often be somewhat ungrounded or seemingly "immature." The more extraverted SP-last individuals often find it difficult to develop a degree of “inwardness.”

Sx-4:

"I am drawn to women who are independent and creative, which is problematic because it's a struggle, a competition of careers. There's jealousy."

"I fall in love very easily."

"Anybody intelligent enough to realize what America is, is not going to sit around and do nothing about it. They're going to be the same way that I am. They're going to be the same way our fans are. They're going to be pissed."

Naranjo says that this Four subtype can be the angriest personality among the Enneagram types. They may express envious anger as a way to establish or assert power when they feel inferior at a deeper level, which can be a way to manipulate situations to their advantage. (This kind of anger was the impulse between the French revolution: “I envy the rich, so I'll organize a revolution.”) And Sexual Fours can be very impulsive. They want things immediately and have little tolerance for frustration.

Naranjo calls this type “Competition,” and Ichazo called it “Hate.” While this type can be both hateful and competitive, it is important to remember that the competition and hate expressed by this Four represents a deeper need to project their sense of suffering and inadequacy outward. The painful sense of envy felt by the Sexual Four can motivate a wishing with anger, or a sense of “Ive got to get what I need, both to convince myself that my needs aren't shameful, and to feel better about myself with respect to others.” Their competitiveness and anger is a compensation for and a defense against the hurt they feel underneath.

Again, so-4?

The Sexual Four is more assertive and angrier than the other subtypes. Naranjo refers to this Four as the “mad Four” as opposed to the “sad” (Social) Four. These Fours can be very outspoken with their anger because expression of anger is their way of defending against painful feelings. When they unconsciously turn their pain into anger, they don't have to feel their pain anymore.

Sun Daeva said:
No.

Oh, sx isn't about intensity? :bored:

The SX energy is described as "high energy" and is often experienced as "intense", "assertive", "laser-like", "intently focused", "playful yet penetrating" in nature. The feeling of SX-first is sometimes compared to being on a roller-coaster ride even though you aren't on one. This subtype will "sacrifice for the relationship" to insure intensity connection. This intensity does not have to be met by another person—it can be satisfied by a project, hobby, or special interest. Rather than looking inward or to the group to resolve their problems and challenges, these types tend to look to close relations and activities that can guarantee them an experience of liveliness and intensity.

From Riso-Hudson

Sexual (aka “Attraction”) Instinct

Many people originally identify themselves as this type because they have learned that the Sexual types are interested in “one-on-one relationships.” But all three instinctual types are interested in one-on-one relationships for different reasons, so this does not distinguish them. The key element in Sexual types is an intense drive for stimulation and a constant awareness of the “chemistry” between themselves and others. Sexual types are immediately aware of the attraction, or lack thereof, between themselves and other people. Further, while the basis of this instinct is related to sexuality, it is not necessarily about people engaging in the sexual act. There are many people that we are excited to be around for reasons of personal chemistry that we have no intention of “getting involved with.” Nonetheless, we might be aware that we feel stimulated in certain people’s company and less so in others. The sexual type is constantly moving toward that sense of intense stimulation and juicy energy in their relationships and in their activities. They are the most “energized” of the three instinctual types, and tend to be more aggressive, competitive, charged, and emotionally intense than the Self-Pres or Social types. Sexual types need to have intense energetic charge in their primary relationships or else they remain unsatisfied. They enjoy being intensely involved—even merged—with others, and can become disenchanted with partners who are unable to meet their need for intense energetic union. Losing yourself in a “fusion” of being is the ideal here, and Sexual types are always looking for this state with others and with stimulating objects in their world.

Sx-last, Manson?

Often a negative reaction develops in response to seeing your last instinct operate in others. For example, SP-last people might grow impatient with those who devote a lot of time and effort into making themselves well fed and comfortable - fiddling with the room temperature, checking seat cushions, arranging their bottled water, etc. SP-last people can grow bored if they find themselves trapped in a conversation about food, home decorations or furniture, local deals, home prices, salaries. SX-last people might feel uneasy when they see people openly demonstrating their sexuality, gender orientation or sexual preferences, engaging in PDA, discussing private feelings and experiences, etc. SO-last people might get impatient with 'shallow' socialite chit-chat, get frustrated when required to network, and wonder how others can keep up with so many acquaintances. One takes the dominant instinct as a given and believes that everyone should be this way, hence people become surprised and even frustrated when they meet others who show no concern for their primary area of preoccupation.

SX blind spot - subvert the fiery energy, tame the fire, don’t honor your passions, procrastinate and postpone if you need to, avoid anything stimulating. Inertia. When the sexual instinct is least developed, the personality can lack a certain charisma and momentum. These people may fear of being a boring, bland person, without passions, be afraid of having 'no juice', and feel flattered that someone wants to spend time with them. Their personal relationships can suffer from a lack of attention or attention that is too scattered.

Sx/So, it's basically him in a nutshell:

sx/so

Motivation: to impact others, question assumptions, challenge convention.

This is the type that exudes the most raw charisma and sexual energy. They may identify so strongly with whatever they're involved with that they often become the symbol of its core essence, and sometimes its lead agent for change. Hardly content with the status quo, this sub-variant seeks to alter the fundamental structure of something while at once embodying it's purest or most extreme form. Possibly attracted to radical views on politics, philosophy, spirituality or creativity that reflect their penchant for testing boundaries. They enjoy pushing other's buttons, especially those resistant to their modes of expression. It's not uncommon for them to have a pet social, political or spiritual cause which they're able to support with heartfelt conviction. May exploit and seek to redefine sexuality to reflect their own colorful and uncertain understanding of it. While prone to exhibitionism, they are strongly attracted to grounding influences which can anchor them and provide stability. Failure to satisfy an especially intense desire for connection may cause this sub-variant to spite others at the risk of jeopardizing the need for an equal, stabilizing force. Can feel pulled between wanting a life of maximum intensity and reassuring episodes of peaceful convention.

Expression: intense, outer-focused

Energy: intense energy expressed outwards, assertively

Behavior: intense, assertive, sultry and aggressive

Mindset: "If I can maintain position and inclusion in the group/world, I can keep up and escalate all this merging/intensity."

Blind spot: Likely to neglect their desire to build their sense of personal value, accomplishment, and security of place with others for the sake of their primary concern of seeking intense connections and experiences, in average-healthy levels. May not have an awareness of the body's need for food or sleep, or of the need to accumulate wealth for reasons of security, or of the need to manage time or resources to establish an orderly lifestyle.

The last sentence, which again, shows sp-last:

"My goal isn't to make money, it's to try and survive and make a point."

"My feelings are, if you're gonna lead a rock n' roll lifestyle, don't let it affect your work. I know I can stay up all night and still come in the next day and write a song, and nothing will stop me from doing it. I expect the same from everyone else."

Compared to say, so/sp?

soc/sp

Motivation: to attain status within their chosen sphere - the "social climber."

This type is often the most comfortable in group settings, but tends to be a bit formal and awkward in one to one relations. This is the natural political type, affiliating themselves with groups or theories which best defend their social and material interests. They may lack warmth and individual identity and this could lead to problems in forming meaningful relationships outside of a shared social interest. They know what they like, but often find it difficult to get deeply excited or enthusiastic about anything.

Expression: bright smiley, calm expression

Energy: outward energy expressed calmly, steadily, broadly (more flow and steady energy to their engaging and less jerkiness, gushiness, or over-the-topness like the so/sx)

Behavior: bright, smiley, calm and thoughtful

Mindset: "If I can establish an orderly and pleasing lifestyle, I can make sure of and keep improving my position and inclusion in the group/world."

Blind spot: Likely to neglect their desire to maintain physical saftey, comfort, and an orderly lifestyle for the sake of their primary concern of building their sense of personal value, accomplishment, and security of place with others, in average-healthy levels. May not have an awareness of the need to stimulate the mind or emotions, of a sense of deep excitement or enthusiasm, of a need for intimate experiences, of the need for the unfamiliar. May fall into routines and, despite social connection, may feel a strange disconnection even from spouses, friends, and family. They may often limerence but struggle to develop deeper attachments.

Daeva · Oct 28, 2016

mistakenforstranger said:
Oh, sx isn't about intensity? :bored:

It isn't. It's not just any kind of "intensity". Sx is far more specific than that.

Dangerose · Oct 28, 2016

karmachameleon said:
I think 9w1 so/sp for Fallon, with a 7 fix
Edit: nah maybe he is 7. Everything just seems so forced though

I don't get why everyone sees him as so forced/fake? imo he's one of the most genuine-seeming of the talk show hosts.
[Conan O'Brien leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, idk...Jimmy Kimmel seems nice and dull but not up to the task of having a talk show...Fallon always seems genuinely happy and interested in his guests.

I think I can see 7 but I've been wondering, it doesn't seem quite right :/ Could he be a Six?
He seems keen on keeping the game on the right track :laughing: but it might be a bit

comparing with Russell Brand who seems like an obvious 7, it doesn't feel quite right...

Dangerose · Oct 28, 2016

Stephen Fry - 4w3 ENTP or ENFJ?
Hugh Laurie - 6w5

Not relevant video but :laughing:

mistakenforstranger · Oct 29, 2016

The Night's Queen said:
I don't get why everyone sees him as so forced/fake? imo he's one of the most genuine-seeming of the talk show hosts.
[Conan O'Brien leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth, idk...Jimmy Kimmel seems nice and dull but not up to the task of having a talk show...Fallon always seems genuinely happy and interested in his guests.

I think he's genuine for the most part too. He just overdoes his enthusiasm/laugh, like the stories his guests tell aren't even that funny, but he can hardly control himself with laughter.

The Night's Queen said:
I think I can see 7 but I've been wondering, it doesn't seem quite right :/ Could he be a Six?
He seems keen on keeping the game on the right track :laughing: but it might be a bit

I'd say 6w7 or 9w1. He doesn't seem as naturally effervescent to be a 7. 7s are just so quick. I'm a lot more familiar with Colbert, who I think is 7w6 so/sx (7w6-4w5-9w1).

This skit is 7's arrow to 1:

And 2:35, talking about joy, showing the self-actualized state of 7s:

From Riso-Hudson:

Level 1 (At Their Best): Assimilate experiences in depth, making them deeply grateful and appreciative for what they have. Become awed by the simple wonders of life: joyous and ecstatic. Intimations of spiritual reality, of the boundless goodness of life.

The Night's Queen said:
comparing with Russell Brand who seems like an obvious 7, it doesn't feel quite right...

Yeah, I think he's 7 sx/so too. Not sure of wing.

Matejko108 · Oct 29, 2016

I totally agree about Colbert, social 7w6.
6w7 makes sense for Fallon. Maybe that's what feels a little "off" about him. You can always sense his nervousness.

Bill Burr 8w7, probably social instinct

Elijah Wood social 6, not sure about the wing, probably 5 wing

what do you guys think about Conan? 3w2?

Dangerose · Oct 30, 2016

mistakenforstranger said:
I think he's genuine for the most part too. He just overdoes his enthusiasm/laugh, like the stories his guests tell aren't even that funny, but he can hardly control himself with laughter.

I'd say 6w7 or 9w1. He doesn't seem as naturally effervescent to be a 7. 7s are just so quick. I'm a lot more familiar with Colbert, who I think is 7w6 so/sx (7w6-4w5-9w1).

This skit is 7's arrow to 1:

:laughing:

And 2:35, talking about joy, showing the self-actualized state of 7s:

From Riso-Hudson:

Ok, I agree. I had been thinking 6w7 before just based on some nervous/grounded vibe but I do think 7 makes a bit more sense.

Yeah, I think he's 7 sx/so too. Not sure of wing.

Seems 7w8 to me but he's always putting on the show of the heavy id type. I can imagine him being a lot more Six-ish in person, when he's 'at-ease'

edit: to be clear, I don't think he's faking :laughing: just obviously there's a difference from how you behave on a talk-show and how you behave when you're doing your laundry. I can see him being more high-strung in a nervous way basically, which would make me think Six...but based on his persona in the interviews I've seen he seems more 7w8, so much sheer id-ish energy.

Can also imagine him being more 8ish in private, hard to know

Dangerose · Oct 30, 2016

I'm really curious about Rhett and Link...actually just Rhett, Link is a clear 9w1 imo

Anyone have opinions?

Rhett seems like an 8w9 or 6w7 to me, possible alternative type of 3w2, but I can't tell which. My gut tells me 8w9 and but my head tells me 6w7 for some reason, apparently the GMM and Enneagram fanbase does not overlap for I have found no discussion of it

Some video selections:

sometimes · Oct 30, 2016

I would guess ENFP 6w7 for Jimmy Fallon.

Marilyn Manson I'd say probably INFJ 4w5 so/sx.

I was was thinking about Snoop Dogg and I think 9w8. He's so cool and funny btw. Not so sure of his mbti type. Perhaps ISTP but I'd have to watch more interviews. He also seems to have a somewhat Ne vibe though.. not sure though.

unico · Oct 31, 2016

Despite all the disagreement I have seen, I think Tori Amos might be 4w3 or at least have it in her stacking. Otherwise I would see her as 7w6 leading. Probably she has 9w1 as her gut.

Stevie Nicks 4w3.

Lindsay Buckingham 4w5.

Joni Mitchell 4.

I think Taylor Swift is a 3 but comes across purposely in media as 6w7 with 9w1 influence.

Selena Gomez think is 6w7. I think she is somewhat honest and open and she seems to care what others think about, she has a lot of anxiety and codependency.

Dostoyevsky and Kierkegaard I think are 4's.

Daisy from Great Gatsby I think is 7w6 and Jay Gatsby 3w4.

Jane Eyre I think could be a 6w5.

Nicole Kidman I read is a 4, as well. as Meryl Streep a 4 so.

Russell Crow most likely am 8, otherwise 6 (obvious bouts of counterphobia if a 6).

Alison Lohman in White Oleander maybe 4w5.

Emma Watson 1w2 I am guessing over 1w9, I think (not Hermione who I could also see as a 1).

Just guesses though I read some in a book (some of the 4's).

Foxyfox · Oct 31, 2016

I'm having trouble figuring out drake. I thought 5w4 at first, but now I'm thinking he's some kind of 6 - since he's always repping his "team" and after his feud with meek mill he bought "bottles for charlamagne" (befriending the enemy's enemy- typical for a type 6). Thoughts?

Dangerose · Oct 31, 2016

unico said:
I think Taylor Swift is a 3 but comes across purposely in media as 6w7 with 9w1 influence.

Taylor Swift I am willing to bet money on is a 2, who's recently taken on a more 3ish image. Don't see much 6 at all! Where do you see it?

This for instance, I was just thinking about this song in regards to type 2. The focus on innocence is interesting to me because of 8's feeling of loss of innocence, the message of 'you're still an innocent' makes sense for someone with a disintegration line to 8

And like...

super 2

Jane Eyre I think could be a 6w5

Seems 1w9 to me but idk
.

Dangerose · Oct 31, 2016

Foxyfox said:
I'm having trouble figuring out drake. I thought 5w4 at first, but now I'm thinking he's some kind of 6 - since he's always repping his "team" and after his feud with meek mill he bought "bottles for charlamagne" (befriending the enemy's enemy- typical for a type 6). Thoughts?

Not super familiar with his music but he vibes 9 to me in interviews.

Could also see 3w2, 6w7, or maybe 2w3

Shadow Tag · Oct 31, 2016

Foxyfox said:
I'm having trouble figuring out drake. I thought 5w4 at first, but now I'm thinking he's some kind of 6 - since he's always repping his "team" and after his feud with meek mill he bought "bottles for charlamagne" (befriending the enemy's enemy- typical for a type 6). Thoughts?

Drake is like the definition of an ESFJ 6. You're very right that he's obsessed with a me & my team vs. them mentality, as well as loyalty to his people and even locations (Toronto). It's not uncommon for Hip-Hop artists to have songs with this theme, but with Drake is feels like an obsession.

sometimes · Nov 1, 2016

I agree with Drake probably being 6 (w5?) I guess. And yeah he is always rapping about real/fake friends, his crew and not liking new friends. Lol he does seem kinda obsessed. I lean INFP for him but I can see why people think ISFJ and I'm not sure yet.

What enneagram type is Rihanna? She's an ISFP in mbti but not sure of her enneagram. Perhaps 9w8 4w3 7w6? Really not too sure yet would like to hear some opinions.

Also Ellen I'd say 6w7. Maybe the integration to 9 is what people are seeing when typing her as 9. Her energy seems more anxious though even though superficially she's also happy and chilled. She seems more head typish than instinctual gut energy in what she does like she does like making people feel at ease and creating a positive, happy or fun atmosphere but it all seems more conscious, deliberate and thought out somehow rather than a smoother kinda ethereal vibe which a 9 would morel likely have. I can't explain it. ENFP I think. What does an ENFP type 9 look like though? I'm curious now as I just realised I can't think of any right now?

Oh and yeah Taylor Swift is surely a type 2.

mistakenforstranger · Nov 2, 2016

I think Louis CK is 7w6 sp/sx.

So many sp-concerns on what makes a good life with secondary sexual:

And definitely so-last :laughing::

Foxyfox · Nov 4, 2016

I've seen Beyoncé typed as a 9 but I'm almost certain she's a 2 possibly so/sx

sometimes · Nov 4, 2016

Foxyfox said:
I've seen Beyoncé typed as a 9 but I'm almost certain she's a 2 possibly so/sx

Maybe. I could see type 2 possibly fitting her.. Could you explain your reasoning? I'd be interested. I can see why people would think an integrated really healthy 9w8 maybe but I'm not sure. I could potentially see so/sx too... She usually always has some convoluted moral/social message in her music so I could see social first. Although that may also be more a lot to do with being an xNFJ which I'm pretty certain she is. I mean compare her music to Rihanna's (I know Rihanna doesn't write her own music but still), Rihanna is all about the performance and the art of it and any message is secondary and more simple really. I mean of course Beyonce is one of the best performers (if not the best in my opinion) of all time but the way she wants some social message in her music which is more convoluted in a total different way to someone like Rihanna who is not so much about that, an ISFP. They are totally different on that front. Or a weird comparison because they make pretty different style of music but another ISFP, Lana del Rey (who does write her own music) and has a very strong/unique style and persona and a lot of key themes is also not interested in making music with social message the same way that Beyonce. For Lana Del Rey too it is more like an obscure art or just more personal rather than more overt/convoluted social messages (even though Rihanna and Lana make very different music I see some similarity there in that sense when compared to Beyonce at least, an xNFJ). My point is that xNFJ's are more likely to be like that in the message in their music than a type like ISFP for example. I don't think Rihanna or Lana are social instinct at least not social first. And I do also think that Beyonce might be so/sx like you say which would make her more like that and add to her mbti in that way.

Matejko108 · Nov 5, 2016

I agree about Louis CK, sp 7w6.

Slavoj Zizek, 6w7
very nervous guy
intellectual and entertaining

Enneagram types of celebrities

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