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Because if I made a thread full of super obscure musicians no one would respond...

Elliott Smith: ISFP, 9w8
Stephin Merritt: INTP, 5w4
Jeff Mangum: INFP, 9w1
Paul Barribeau: ISFP, 6w5
Exuma: INFP, 4w5
Syd Barrett: ENTP, 4w3 (pre-psychosis, after that he is too unhealthy to type)
Ian Curtis: INFP, 4w5
Bernard Sumner: ISFJ
Nick Cave: INFP, 4w5 (exactly same mbti/core as Curtis, meh)
John Lennon: ENTJ, 5w6 (he is so sporadic and unhealthy that he could be anything)
Lou Reed: INTP, 7w8
Patrick Stickles: ESFP
Daniel Johnston: INFP, 4w3/6w5/?w? (pre-psychosis)
Wayne Coyne: ENTP, 6w7

And of course...
Nick Drake: INFP, 4w5/9w1/5w? so/sx

I'll get to some drone and ambient artists later.
 
Pretty good I typings I think. Not sure about John Lennon. I can see Jeff Mangum being my type. But why so/sx for Nick Drake, sp/sx seems more likely? I got an INTJ vibe from Ian Curtis in the movie Control, but that's just a movie.

How would you type Will Sheff (okkervil river) and Matt Berninger (the national) ?
 
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Pretty good I typings I think. Not sure about John Lennon. I can see Jeff Mangum being my type. But why so/sx for Nick Drake, sp/sx seems more likely? I got an INTJ vibe from Ian Curtis in the movie Control, but that's just a movie.

How would you type Will Sheff (okkervil river) and Matt Berninger (the national) ?
All from the vibes I get from his biography. Nick Drake seems like he was acutely aware that he was so detached from social stigma, and would let his body fall apart (not cutting his nails, not eating, etc.) because he didn't care about himself like that. He struggled with his personal health but it seemed like he didn't personally care. When I think of someone like Elliott Smith, who was always aware of his drug addictions or suicidal tendencies, he saw it as a problem. Drake seemed uncaring about it all, all his anger and confusion was either directed at other people, or internally when he didn't understand things. In his wikipedia article, he specifically says that a safety net (college degree) is the last thing he wanted. He traveled to Morocco spontaneously with his friends. He is confusing, and I could see him as sx/so as well. I thought sx second because of his interactions with friends, he wouldn't truly push their buttons like a lot of sx doms do. Of course, I think superficially he could be seen with sp 1st or 2nd, as he was so introverted. But his introversion wasn't to protect himself from others, it was because he wasn't interested in others. He always seemed confidant.

I shouldn't have even bothered with John Lennon, he is like 10 different people. I think he is on the Fi/Te judging axis, but that's about it. If you read his letters sent, they feel a lot more like Te/Fi or Fi/Te anger, where it's all personal and why the other person is wrong, hurtful, and stupid. Still, that leaves 8 possible types and I could see him as any of them.

Debra stated in a documentary on Joy Division how Ian's favorite conversational subject, even more than books, art, films, were his feelings. He was a completely different person with his friends but when he was alone with Debra (and I assume Annik), he would just pour himself out. Otherwise, based on his actions and attitude towards people I'd say he was an IXTP, yelling at Wilson, Debra, Buzzcocks, everyone. I'm not particularly sure about Ne vs Se as the second function, I could see him as an ISFP too. This doesn't mean that he was necessarily a Fi dom, as XXTJs often only feel comfortable expressing themselves with specific people like IXFP. The event that really spoke for inferior Te was when he reached out to Debra while she was going to divorce him. He always seemed to be desperate to mend his marriage with illogical gestures, where IXTJs under stress would be more apt to open up their inner world. The more I think about it though, the more I feel Curtis is a 5w4. I'll edit it to reflect that.

Mangum has some excellent Pitchfork interviews from 1998 and 2002 where he discusses his philosophy and music. I know it goes against functions, but it was obvious he was either an INFJ or an INFP. Sometimes he shows Ni/Fe (talking about the external world), sometimes Fi/Ne (talking about his feelings and philosophy), but I accidentally see Fi/Ne as Fe sometimes, so I went with INFP. The blatantly obvious part of his interviews was his enneagram, it screamed 9w1 to me, just grabbed me by my throat and shook me.

Beringer drives me crazy, I'm not a fan but my roommate showed me a lot of the National last semester. He seems really Ni driven, some type of INXJ.

Will Sheff is definitely on the Ne/Si axis (look at the way he says something, then recalls past information). Not sure his judging axis though, I also think he is a 9.
 
I did wonder once whether there was a possibility of feeling being Nick Drake's weakest function, hence making him an INTP. This was when I first started getting interested in personality studies, and obviously there is a huge element of wishful thinking there with me being an INTP myself, but I still don't feel entirely happy ruling that out as a possibility.
 
All from the vibes I get from his biography. Nick Drake seems like he was acutely aware that he was so detached from social stigma, and would let his body fall apart (not cutting his nails, not eating, etc.) because he didn't care about himself like that. He struggled with his personal health but it seemed like he didn't personally care. When I think of someone like Elliott Smith, who was always aware of his drug addictions or suicidal tendencies, he saw it as a problem. Drake seemed uncaring about it all, all his anger and confusion was either directed at other people, or internally when he didn't understand things. In his wikipedia article, he specifically says that a safety net (college degree) is the last thing he wanted. He traveled to Morocco spontaneously with his friends. He is confusing, and I could see him as sx/so as well. I thought sx second because of his interactions with friends, he wouldn't truly push their buttons like a lot of sx doms do. Of course, I think superficially he could be seen with sp 1st or 2nd, as he was so introverted. But his introversion wasn't to protect himself from others, it was because he wasn't interested in others. He always seemed confidant.
I got the idea that people who are sp first are most likely to have some kind of an eating disorder (problems with health and the body, since they are so preoccupied by it). Just found a resource: "When the personality becomes unhealthy, however, it distorts the instinct, causing these people to take poor care of themselves, possibly developing eating and sleeping disorders. They may stock up on too many things, overbuy, overeat, and overpurge themselves of unnecessary "baggage" of all sorts." He seems more of a so last to me, which is what detached from social stigma seems to be all about, being blind to social realities. I think introverted feeling is mostly not in tune with social reality.

Mangum has some excellent Pitchfork interviews from 1998 and 2002 where he discusses his philosophy and music. I know it goes against functions, but it was obvious he was either an INFJ or an INFP. Sometimes he shows Ni/Fe (talking about the external world), sometimes Fi/Ne (talking about his feelings and philosophy), but I accidentally see Fi/Ne as Fe sometimes, so I went with INFP. The blatantly obvious part of his interviews was his enneagram, it screamed 9w1 to me, just grabbed me by my throat and shook me.
Thanks for letting me know, just read an interview of him. He talks about field recording: recording sounds he encounters on his travels, and making sound collages out of it, which is what I actually want to do now for sometime. I never knew he did these kind of things. Putting fragments together to become whole is the secret motivation behind it I guess.

Beringer drives me crazy, I'm not a fan but my roommate showed me a lot of the National last semester. He seems really Ni driven, some type of INXJ.
Yes, I was thinking INTJ or perhaps INFJ as well.

Will Sheff is definitely on the Ne/Si axis (look at the way he says something, then recalls past information). Not sure his judging axis though, I also think he is a 9.
Interesting, never thought of him as an extravert, but now you say so, you're probably right. Also thought of him as a 9w1.

INTP for Stephen Merrit also seems to be right. At first I considered him to be an INFJ, but I've seen some interviews of him in which he didn't display any kind of Fe.

Have you seen The Devil and Daniel Johnston? It's an incredible movie about a very interesting man. Lots of nervous energy.

ISFP for Paul Baribeau seems to be right as well.

As far as folk punk goes, what would you say Laura Jane Grace's (Tom Gabel from Against Me!) type is? Would she be on the Ne/Si axis as well?
 
Because if I made a thread full of super obscure musicians no one would respond...

Ian Curtis: INFP, 4w5
Nick Cave: INFP, 4w5 (exactly same mbti/core as Curtis, meh)
Nick Drake: INFP, 4w5/9w1/5w? so/sx

I'll get to some drone and ambient artists later.
i've contemplated these ones as well. i agree with ian curtis and nick drake as INFPs. i really identify with them a lot actually. robert smith too, i think is probably an INFP.

nick cave though, he completely confuses me. i can see INFP elements, but i think he's maybe more of an INFJ. but even that i can't really be sure about. he definitely is an N and probably F but i am really torn on the P/J and E/I for him.
 
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Interesting, never thought of him as an extravert, but now you say so, you're probably right. Also thought of him as a 9w1.
I meant he uses the functions Ne/Si rather than Ni/Se. I don't mean to say he is an ENXP (but he might be), but rather, an NP or an SJ.

INTP for Stephen Merrit also seems to be right. At first I considered him to be an INFJ, but I've seen some interviews of him in which he didn't display any kind of Fe.
Not to be cocky but I strongly believe him to be an INTP. All about him not understanding others, him being incapable of understanding love, the Magnetic Fields have this entire scientific, observational approach to love and romance.

Have you seen The Devil and Daniel Johnston? It's an incredible movie about a very interesting man. Lots of nervous energy.
Yeah, I definitely think his enneagram is a 4-6-something or a 6-4-something.

Bob Dylan - ISFP
Leonard Cohen - INFJ

I thought Lennon was an INTJ... but he could be ENTJ... I'll need to reconsider...
I've seen Dylan typed as an ISFP but don't care enough to look into it. He seems alright like that. Cohen has always been a writer first, really into compositions (system building) and whatnot so I suppose that could be Ni. Lennon has this subconscious pure Fi (inferior?) that I think is ENTJ. Totally unconventional ENTJ but that's how I feel.

i've contemplated these ones as well. i agree with ian curtis and nick drake as INFPs. i really identify with them a lot actually. robert smith too, i think is probably an INFP.

nick cave though, he completely confuses me. i can see INFP elements, but i think he's maybe more of an INFJ. but even that i can't really be sure about. he definitely is an N and probably F but i am really torn on the P/J and E/I for him.
I strongly identify with a lot of musicians in my OP, but they are not all the same type. I definitely didn't make this list like "I am type XXXX, so they must be like one too! I am just like them!"

Nick Cave just feels INFP to me, I see Fi there. He might not be but I definitely feel like he is.
 
I strongly identify with a lot of musicians in my OP, but they are not all the same type. I definitely didn't make this list like "I am type XXXX, so they must be like one too! I am just like them!"

Nick Cave just feels INFP to me, I see Fi there. He might not be but I definitely feel like he is.
no, i know you didn't. i didn't mean to insinuate that at all. i definitely relate to many different types as well. i just mentioned the musicians that i'm more knowledgeable about and have thought of in terms of MBTI.

i think i see what you're saying about nick cave, he just seems to have 2 sides to him. i never know whether his ballads are really love songs or sarcastic and meant to be more tongue-in-cheek. he seems to have more of an edge to him, maybe that's what's throwing me off. he just completely confuses me. i'll have to give it more thought.
 
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Why is John Lennon an ENTJ? He seems more Fi-ish to me. INTJ IMO
two posts above yours said:
Lennon has this subconscious pure Fi (inferior?) that I think is ENTJ. Totally unconventional ENTJ but that's how I feel.
Also his Fi feels out of control, primal and basic in his interviews. That feels like subconscious (inferior) Fi, not tertiary.
 
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I did wonder once whether there was a possibility of feeling being Nick Drake's weakest function, hence making him an INTP. This was when I first started getting interested in personality studies, and obviously there is a huge element of wishful thinking there with me being an INTP myself, but I still don't feel entirely happy ruling that out as a possibility.
I strongly disbelieve Nick Drake to be an INTP. He just doesn't appear to have that subconscious, inferior Fe.
 
I think Stephen Merritt is an extravert... All his songs are about people and situations. He's never "alone" as well. When he's not recording or working with others on projects, he sits in cafes all day and watches people while writing.
 
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I see, that would make sense.
It's all my guesses, I don't really know. INTJs and ENTJs can appear quite similar once they fully develop their first two functions.

I think Stephen Merritt is an extravert... All his songs are about people and situations. He's never "alone" as well. When he's not recording or working with others on projects, he sits in cafes all day and watches people while writing.
The actual content of the music isn't what I use to judge their type, more the approach they take and interviews like:

I just don't feel inferior Si in him, it definitely seems like inferior Fe bursting through like some homeless person hobbling along with pancreatic cancer.

It's just a slight order difference between INTP/ENTP though, you could be right :) if you said he was like an ISFP or something I would strongly disagree.
 
nick cave though, he completely confuses me. i can see INFP elements, but i think he's maybe more of an INFJ. but even that i can't really be sure about. he definitely is an N and probably F but i am really torn on the P/J and E/I for him.
I would venture to guess he's not an F. I think he's an INT. He writes a lot about love but with a more cynical than sorrowful touch. He always seems a bit detached and is very verbose. It kind of makes me think INT.
 
I would venture to guess he's not an F. I think he's an INT. He writes a lot about love but with a more cynical than sorrowful touch. He always seems a bit detached and is very verbose. It kind of makes me think INT.
actually, that was my first instinct, but then i thought of his lyrics and leaned more towards F, but i could definitely see INT too.
 
Coming from a huge Nick Cave fan I really dont see him as infp. I think Cave is very much an Intj. When he was younger he was notoriously arrogant in interviews and would have no problem voicing his negative opinions if other lesser artists. Also the fact that when he writes a new album he sets the starting date and locks himself in his windowless office and writes without distraction until he's done. Very much not a P or a feeler in my opinion but very much qn imposing intj. Also while his music is emotional his lyrics arent really focused on how he feels emotionally. Its more poetic narritive of random people, characters and worldly situations. He is much more intent on writing something well written for acclaim than whining about how he feels.
 
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