I am unsure of my MBTI personality type

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

bearotter said:
OK, what do you relate to in each of these types? Getting an answer from me is like pulling teeth (because I really think it's a subtle question most of the time), but I can try to help with any confusion.
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What description or questions can I start off with?

I have nothing to start off with.

Though personally if I were to answer the question with a whim, I can most relate to ENTP, and I most admire an ENTJ. I don't want to associate myself with ESTJs - they seem boring and filled with too much responsibility and duty.

Acerbusvenator · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
Do you believe that an unhealthy ESTJ gets disorganized and messy?

Do you believe that an unhealthy ESTJ just doesn't care about tasks, responsibility, and hardwork anymore?

Those are stereotypes about SJs and Js.
For example, I only really clean up after me when I get some random energy burst at 2 am.
That STJs care a lot about tasks, responsibility and hard work belongs to the "STJs are drones" stereotype. You don't need to care about tasks, responsibility nor hard work just because your thinking process is a certain way.
Granted, I know an ISFJ whose father was in the military and has thought her that it is rude to everyone else to be late for deadlines etc. tho she is still lazy. I mean, she and I need to be working on a group assignment right now so we can hand it in before the deadline but she just told me to do it as if I was gonna do the rest of the assignment just like I did a lot of the first part. I basically did a 2 man assignment alone.
All she really did was find some sources and correct some of what I wrote right into grammatical errors and other errors.

She seriously writes a university level assignment in spoken language.

So yea, everyone can be lazy.

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

Acerbusvenator said:
Those are stereotypes about SJs and Js.
For example, I only really clean up after me when I get some random energy burst at 2 am.
That STJs care a lot about tasks, responsibility and hard work belongs to the "STJs are drones" stereotype. You don't need to care about tasks, responsibility nor hard work just because your thinking process is a certain way.
Granted, I know an ISFJ whose father was in the military and has thought her that it is rude to everyone else to be late for deadlines etc. tho she is still lazy. I mean, she and I need to be working on a group assignment right now so we can hand it in before the deadline but she just told me to do it as if I was gonna do the rest of the assignment just like I did a lot of the first part. I basically did a 2 man assignment alone.
All she really did was find some sources and correct some of what I wrote right into grammatical errors and other errors.

She seriously writes a university level assignment in spoken language.

So yea, everyone can be lazy.

To clarify, why do you believe I am an ESTJ, and not an ENTJ nor ENTP.

Make a description for each type and why.

That would be appreciated.

Acerbusvenator · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
To clarify, why do you believe I am an ESTJ, and not an ENTJ nor ENTP.

Make a description for each type and why.

That would be appreciated.

Well, I don't have any substantial when it comes to S over N, it's more of a gut feeling based on your writing.
You are very straightforward with what you say. Intuitives tend to be good at the skill of saying a lot without actually saying anything. Cloak and daggers kind of speech and writing (as you can see with my first sentence).

TJ over another type was easy due to all the "this must be objectively logical" comments in what you write. You become highly skeptical as soon as something seems to go off the objective logic and closer into guesswork (which was a small part for why I guess STJ over NTJ). NTs speak and write a lot in a form of factual-guessing hybrid. You are much for the factual and very little for the guessing.

I admit that I did think ITP for a while due to how you seemed to look at people as if they were sheep; following the rules of society (which is a normal inferior Fe outburst). But then you seemed more like an extravert than an introvert and I also sensed that you were closer to STJ.

ENTPs are random people with random ideas all the time in their heads. They jump from idea to idea and each will be revolutionary (according to them) @tanstaafl28 is one of my more favorite ENTPs here. Most ENPs are very hard to miss.

That I didn't guess ENTJ was part due to how you seemed to have a very deductive and extremely logical way of doing things whereas ENTJs are more for doing what their gut tells them.
Then you also talked a lot about how you admire NPs. It seems like many people glorify their tertiary function and truth is that I thought it was more of people complimenting your inferior first when I guessed ISTJ and then it just came with in the ESTJ guess.

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

Acerbusvenator said:
Well, I don't have any substantial when it comes to S over N, it's more of a gut feeling based on your writing.
You are very straightforward with what you say. Intuitives tend to be good at the skill of saying a lot without actually saying anything. Cloak and daggers kind of speech and writing (as you can see with my first sentence).

TJ over another type was easy due to all the "this must be objectively logical" comments in what you write. You become highly skeptical as soon as something seems to go off the objective logic and closer into guesswork (which was a small part for why I guess STJ over NTJ). NTs speak and write a lot in a form of factual-guessing hybrid. You are much for the factual and very little for the guessing.

I admit that I did think ITP for a while due to how you seemed to look at people as if they were sheep; following the rules of society (which is a normal inferior Fe outburst). But then you seemed more like an extravert than an introvert and I also sensed that you were closer to STJ.

ENTPs are random people with random ideas all the time in their heads. They jump from idea to idea and each will be revolutionary (according to them) @tanstaafl28 is one of my more favorite ENTPs here. Most ENPs are very hard to miss.

That I didn't guess ENTJ was part due to how you seemed to have a very deductive and extremely logical way of doing things whereas ENTJs are more for doing what their gut tells them.
Then you also talked a lot about how you admire NPs. It seems like many people glorify their tertiary function and truth is that I thought it was more of people complimenting your inferior first when I guessed ISTJ and then it just came with in the ESTJ guess.

I believe that I am an ESTJ in the way I write.

This writing style isn't natural by the way. I have grown this writing style through reading logic, and through eliminating the unimportant parts in my writing.

When it comes to real life, and based on your description, I sound more like an ENTP and then an ENTJ.

Also, this description is outstanding, great job Acerbusvenator !

Also, if this helps, my facial temperament looks like Daniel Dennett's.

tanstaafl28 · Apr 1, 2013

Duplicate post.

tanstaafl28 · Apr 1, 2013

Acerbusvenator said:
ENTPs are random people with random ideas all the time in their heads. They jump from idea to idea and each will be revolutionary (according to them) @tanstaafl28 is one of my more favorite ENTPs here. Most ENPs are very hard to miss.

Aww shucks...

In a very general sense ENTPs are the proverbial "Jack of all trades and master of none."

We have a wide breadth of knowledge but very little in the way of depth.

We're big picture thinkers, we don't do details so well, and we like to consider all sorts of possibilities.

We pretty much constantly hop from interest to interest, sucking meaning out of them before moving onto something else.

bearotter · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
ENTJ. I don't want to associate myself with ESTJs - they seem boring and filled with too much responsibility and duty.

Think of it as just a processing style. To distinguish ENTJ and ESTJ according to the models they are supposed to follow, learn about the different perceiving patterns Ne+Si and Se + Ni. There's nothing more inherently dutiful about one than the other, to be honest.

I don't see Te-dominance in you so far, so I think you might not be either of the ETJ types. But it's possible.

The really big difference between a J and a P in the MBTI models is that the leading way the J types engage the objective world is through a judging function, vs. a perceiving function for the P types. An SP type will do this with Se, which is terrific at engaging in the moment objective detail. An NP type will somewhat suppress the objective details and instead perceive lots of ancillary intuitive information to the objective information they take in (by objective I mean, this is not about your reconstructions of something, but engaging the something itself). A TJ type often is a good objective system builder, and his/her perceiving functions most prominently operate with a view to building, engaging, understanding the laws of some objectively existing phenomenon. Etc.

Generally an NTJ's intuition is more likely to be a way they keep on building and building an idea of what to expect, this is the nature of Ni. Versus an Ne-dominant's intuition is more likely to view every new situation, thing they encounter with a more in the moment intuitive vibe. Every time you store something away that you now have a good way of looking at and keep referencing it, that just isn't Ne or Se - it's an introverted perceiving function.
Extroverted perceiving is something you do in the moment, though Ne is oriented to data about the potential of what is perceived in the moment.

I'd strongly suggest at this point understanding what your dominant type roughly might be. It gets very complicated very quickly. It took me months to realize how all this worked in me, and of concerted thinking all the time.

Acerbusvenator · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
When it comes to real life, and based on your description, I sound more like an ENTP and then an ENTJ.

Well that makes a bit sense. You are an extravert and you got Ne and Si as an ESTJ just like ENTPs. You are thus likely to extravert your Ne just like an ENTP, but you still got a preference for Te over Ti. The only types that got Ne and Te is STJs and NFPs and we can dismiss the latter due to your heavy reliance on Te.

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

tanstaafl28 said:
Aww shucks...

In a very general sense ENTPs are the proverbial "Jack of all trades and master of none."

We have a wide breadth of knowledge but very little in the way of depth.

We're big picture thinkers, we don't do details so well, and we like to consider all sorts of possibilities.

We pretty much constantly hop from interest to interest, sucking meaning out of them before moving onto something else.

I can relate to this. Here are my interests: Neurology, Physics, Sociology, Anthropology, Architecture, Psychology, Psychophysics, Astronomy, Politics, Economics, Biology, Anatomy, Neuroscience, Writing, Pathology, Kinesiology, Mathematics (mainly Probability, Chaos Theory, Fractals and Recursion), Bionomics, Microbiology, and Accidence.

Here are the topics I actually get involved in: Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Politics, Biology, Neuroscience, Writing, and Architecture.

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

bearotter said:
Think of it as just a processing style. To distinguish ENTJ and ESTJ according to the models they are supposed to follow, learn about the different perceiving patterns Ne+Si and Se + Ni. There's nothing more inherently dutiful about one than the other, to be honest.

I don't see Te-dominance in you so far, so I think you might not be either of the ETJ types. But it's possible.

The really big difference between a J and a P in the MBTI models is that the leading way the J types engage the objective world is through a judging function, vs. a perceiving function for the P types. An SP type will do this with Se, which is terrific at engaging in the moment objective detail. An NP type will somewhat suppress the objective details and instead perceive lots of ancillary intuitive information to the objective information they take in (by objective I mean, this is not about your reconstructions of something, but engaging the something itself). A TJ type often is a good objective system builder, and his/her perceiving functions most prominently operate with a view to building, engaging, understanding the laws of some objectively existing phenomenon. Etc.

Generally an NTJ's intuition is more likely to be a way they keep on building and building an idea of what to expect, this is the nature of Ni. Versus an Ne-dominant's intuition is more likely to view every new situation, thing they encounter with a more in the moment intuitive vibe. Every time you store something away that you now have a good way of looking at and keep referencing it, that just isn't Ne or Se - it's an introverted perceiving function.
Extroverted perceiving is something you do in the moment, though Ne is oriented to data about the potential of what is perceived in the moment.

I'd strongly suggest at this point understanding what your dominant type roughly might be. It gets very complicated very quickly. It took me months to realize how all this worked in me, and of concerted thinking all the time.

This helps a lot.

Thanks !

But to cut to the chase, what type do you think I am?

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

Acerbusvenator said:
Well that makes a bit sense. You are an extravert and you got Ne and Si as an ESTJ just like ENTPs. You are thus likely to extravert your Ne just like an ENTP, but you still got a preference for Te over Ti. The only types that got Ne and Te is STJs and NFPs and we can dismiss the latter due to your heavy reliance on Te.

You never know, I could be an ENFP with a strong Te function.

Acerbusvenator · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
I can relate to this. Here are my interests: Neurology, physics, sociology, anthropology, architecture, psychology, psychophysics astronomy, politics, economics, biology, anatomy, neuroscience, writing, pathology, kinesiology, mathematics (mainly probability, chaos theory, fractals and recursion), bionomics, microbiology, and accidence.

Here are the topics I actually get involved in: Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Politics, Biology, Neuroscience, Writing, and Architecture.

That you even can remember all those so perfectly... wow.
Also, anatomy, biology, neurology, neuroscience are all part of the same thing (neurology and neuroscience are two words for the same thing really (if not just very much alike) and anatomy is basic biology and psychophysics is in between biology and psychology). Sociology, anthropology, psychology, politics and economics are connected to psychology and so on.

Anyways, a lot of those things are the same thing or close to.

You said that you are deeply involved in Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Politics, Biology, Neuroscience, Writing, and Architecture.
2 fields of psychology, 2 of biology, 1 in litterature and 1 in architecture.
The writing thing isn't too peculiar if I may say so myself.
Seems like you got an interest of psychophysics/biopsychology. So in reality you are just really involved in 1 field which happens to intersect with many other fields (I guess your interest is in between psychophysics and biopsychology since the latter deals with the biology-psychology connection from a psychological point of view and the former from a biological point of view).

See how I made that interesting connection? That's my Ni at work. :laughing:

Acerbusvenator · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
You never know, I could be an ENFP with a strong Te function.

Yea, but then you'd be extremely unhealthy one and I'd rather think that you are rather healthy enough.

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

Acerbusvenator said:
That you even can remember all those so perfectly... wow.
Also, anatomy, biology, neurology, neuroscience are all part of the same thing (neurology and neuroscience are two words for the same thing really (if not just very much alike) and anatomy is basic biology and psychophysics is in between biology and psychology). Sociology, anthropology, psychology, politics and economics are connected to psychology and so on.

Anyways, a lot of those things are the same thing or close to.

You said that you are deeply involved in Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Politics, Biology, Neuroscience, Writing, and Architecture.
2 fields of psychology, 2 of biology, 1 in litterature and 1 in architecture.
The writing thing isn't too peculiar if I may say so myself.
Seems like you got an interest of psychophysics/biopsychology. So in reality you are just really involved in 1 field which happens to intersect with many other fields (I guess your interest is in between psychophysics and biopsychology since the latter deals with the biology-psychology connection from a psychological point of view and the former from a biological point of view).

See how I made that interesting connection? That's my Ni at work. :laughing:

Holy cunt look at all the connections !

Does good memory mean anything to personality type?

I actually believe all of this can be pinned down to 1 topic.

Philosophy.

This is because all of the Sciences are a part of Empiricism which is Epistemology.

Also, Mathematics is Applied Logic.

Architecture and Literature are a combination of the Philosophy of Language, Logic, and Aesthetics.

tanstaafl28 · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
I can relate to this. Here are my interests: Neurology, Physics, Sociology, Anthropology, Architecture, Psychology, Psychophysics, Astronomy, Politics, Economics, Biology, Anatomy, Neuroscience, Writing, Pathology, Kinesiology, Mathematics (mainly Probability, Chaos Theory, Fractals and Recursion), Bionomics, Microbiology, and Accidence.

Here are the topics I actually get involved in: Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Politics, Biology, Neuroscience, Writing, and Architecture.

We overlap quite a bit. Do you like to debate for fun?

Acerbusvenator · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
Holy cunt look at all the connections !

Does good memory mean anything to personality type?

Nah, just wanted to point out that you've got a very good memory for details. People tend to say that sensors focus on details and intuitives on context. I am unsure if it is correct or not, I haven't had it tested enough to trust any conclusion about it.

I actually believe all of this can be pinned down to 1 topic.

Philosophy.

This is because all of the Sciences are a part of Empiricism which is Epistemology.

Also, Mathematics is Applied Logic.

Architecture and Literature are a combination of the Philosophy of Language, Logic, and Aesthetics.

Well, that sounds like a bit of an overkill in digging to the source of things tho. Philosophy is also more of a process of reasoning than a subject tho, which is why it can be applied to most things.

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

Acerbusvenator said:
Nah, just wanted to point out that you've got a very good memory for details. People tend to say that sensors focus on details and intuitives on context. I am unsure if it is correct or not, I haven't had it tested enough to trust any conclusion about it.

Well, that sounds like a bit of an overkill in digging to the source of things tho. Philosophy is also more of a process of reasoning than a subject tho, which is why it can be applied to most things.

How much philosophy do you know?

Also, define subject.

Soren Aabye · Apr 1, 2013

tanstaafl28 said:
We overlap quite a bit. Do you like to debate for fun?

Yes, but I can only argue with certain people.

People who seem like a challenge.

People who are emotionally stable.

People who won't argue me through Ad-Hominems.

People who stay calm and collected in the debate.

I see debates as a tool that I can strengthen my opinions.

I see debates as a thing I do when I am bored on the bus or in class.

Acerbusvenator · Apr 1, 2013

Soren Aabye said:
How much philosophy do you know?

Also, define subject.

I don't have a university degree in philosophy or such tho I did have a class in it.

Subjects like biology, psychology, literature economics, mathematics stand on their own feet.
Philosophy however -

Philosophy said:
the academic discipline concerned with making explicit the nature and significance of ordinary and scientific beliefs and investigating the intelligibility of concepts by means of rational argument concerning their presuppositions, implications, and interrelationships; in particular, the rational investigation of the nature and structure of reality (metaphysics), the resources and limits of knowledge (epistemology), the principles and import of moral judgment (ethics), and the relationship between language and reality (semantics)

It's unspecific. You got philosophy in psychology, biology and everything around and in between.

Biology said:
The science of life and of living organisms, including their structure, function, growth, origin, evolution, and distribution. It includes botany and zoology and all their subdivisions.

Biology is specific.

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