Evil INFJ's

Aizar · Nov 20, 2017

Hm. Well, part of my job is working with criminals. From what I can tell, their "evil" falls into a few categories. Note this is my armchair psychologist talking without a lot of in-depth experience or training.

1) Being too "lazy" to do better. It was more comfortable or easier to do wrong. This laziness can come from a sense of an entitlement, but sometimes they just have low energy or are pessimistic that putting effort into things will be better.

2) They've got a mental illness that keeps them from being fully in touch with reality, or (like 1) able to cope and do all the adult chores necessary for a healthy and legal life. Sometimes they don't fully understand that what they are doing to others is hurtful; most times their own issues seem more important, or take up all of their attention despite their best wishes. Changing their lifestyle to be more "moral" may be impossible until their mental illness is treated.

3) Learned from a young age that lying, manipulation, and wriggling your way out of consequences is how you get what you want, and/or how to keep yourself safe. Sometimes this comes simply from being a spoiled brat, but sometimes it's because they grew up in a harsh environment, and such behavior was the only thing that saved your butt from worse. Spoiled bratness can likewise come from parenting that is too lassez faire, or too absent (they had to learn to whine REALLY LOUD to get anyone to notice).

4) They or another person they care for was hurt, and so they fight the system/other people in a mistaken belief that they are being a protector and making things better. They don't have the empathy, self-awareness, or knowledge of how these things actually work to see that what they're doing is more harmful in the long run, and/or that the other people involved are trying to do their best by them as well.

5) They just didn't know--were never taught about this law or alternate methods or behaviors, etc. Not very common in the corrections system, as usually it only takes a warning and a sit-down conversation, perhaps a few sessions teaching skills, to straighten these out. If only they were all this easy!

6) They had more on their plate than they could handle, and they lost it. Also fairly rare in the corrections system--they seem to be caught before they can do anything truly criminal, or are quickly set straight as in (5).

7) Some combination of these.

For INFJs, possibly the fourth one is most in line with the type, though they all could happen to anyone.

OrangeYou · Nov 20, 2017

AOD III said:
Kiersey really thought that INFJ's were especially kind and loving. But certainly that can't be true of all of us. I'm sure there are some that have psychobiological problems that warp them. Others may have been so deeply traumatized that they become jaded and shut down cold.

What are your ideas?
What might cause an INFJ to become truly evil?
What kinds of evil might an INFJ do?
Can you think of any evil INFJ's?

I think all INFJs are inherently evil to an extent. They're also genuinely kind souls. I've struggled my whole life fighting the dark side in me. I have subconscious counter-mechanisms to make sure I don't lose my good tendencies and views. I just think all Ni dominant and Ni creative types (victims-ENFJ, ENTJ, INFJ, INTJ) have a measure of evil. But INFJs aren't really the ones to be afraid of. ENFJs actually have the balls and tenacity to act on their evil manipulative powers, and they tend to be less of a hopeful romantic than INFJs. Hopeful romantics can't be THAT evil.

Niemann · Nov 20, 2017

I think my ex girlfriend is en evil INFJ, she used to be on here and typo central. She would send constantly cheat on me sending sexy texts and pictures with other guys on here and irl, and she claimed to be supportive of my furry contributions but sometimes she would look like she was so annoyed with my work like she didn't realize that it was my first passion and life dedication ever since I was old enough to pick up a toothbrush. She claimed she wanted to spend more time together but she would always lead on all these other guys some of whom were my half-friends, kinda but not really friends because they were popular athletes and I don't feel like they were very supportive of my preferences. She sold her used panties to at least two guys that I know of, maybe there were more - and I was upset because I told her from the very beginning that if she wants an open relationship she has to be straight with me, like we have to be honest and on the same page. she told me that she wanted to be loyal and commitment. I'm trying to work out and get big so she likes me more than the athletic guys but I am never going to give up my beliefs and emotions. I know INFJs can be difficult sometimes with accepting changes in traditional society but its only a matter of time before we are all recognized as equals whose orientations are respected, honored, celebrated, integrates into school curriculums, and go down in history.

Kirjuri · Nov 20, 2017

shadowbroker said:
Then every human behavior is a subject of confusion because we all affected by our ego. Or to you, is it has to be a caused by sanity to not consider it as confusion?

Yes. Most humans are insane most of the time. Sanity of actions cannot directly be determined by their results. That's one of the paradoxes.

shadowbroker said:
I don't think it has to be a negative action to consider something caused by mental illness. For example, helping to feel happy is creepy AF IMO.

It's clearly caused by poor reasoning capability which indicates a mental illness. There are too many ways to be happy. By helping you waste what you have. It's just being silly IMO. It may be caused by low intelligence too of course. It's another subject.

Agreed, but not entirely. This is just one example of good fruit being the result of insanity. I like helping others because it makes me feel relevant, but I also recognise the motivation behind this sort of helping. Do you value independence over cooperation at all times? I don't think compulsive helping a waste any more than seclusion. Both can be - and usually are - insane actions.

shadowbroker said:
I still don't think obsession over poison and experimentation is confusion. It actually depends on a level of obsession. All people have an obsession with something. Some of them obsessed with their lives to live a good life which is a necessary and healthy obsession, some of them have an unhealthy obsession like trying to be happy.

All obsession is confusion and insane. Anyone so attached to any activity or substance or habit must be identifying with their insane ego, including people who headstrongly seek "good life" or happiness.

Who defines this "good life"? That is a subjective term in itself. Why would it be any different than seeking happiness?

shadowbroker said:
People do silly things to be happy. Which leads me to think, trying to be happy is a confusion because emotions leads to illusion. I think it would be more healthy to trying to not be sad rather than trying to be happy. I think as long as you can think rationally you won't be in confusion. Ability to think rationally is a sign of sanity IMO. To able to think rationally you have to get rid of your emotions and reach to serenity.

Trying to be happy is a paradox based on an illusion of lack. Any situation is sufficient in itself.

Trying not to be sad is avoidance of emotion. Emotions are an essential part of the human body. Entirely different things to train your mind not to react to everything versus blocking any and all emotion out reactionally (extremes here). However, you can't deny your body what it is already going through. The best way to deal with emotion is to explore it in its entirety by allowing it to exist in its own pace. If the ego doesn't interfere, emotions will subside in time.

Rational thinking as a totem has its dangers of becoming another illusion. Careful discretion between rational openness and egoic rationality must be employed. The mind can easily confuse rationality with the ego's rationalisations of its own concoctions.

valosagutas · Nov 20, 2017

Kirjuri said:
Agreed, but not entirely. This is just one example of good fruit being the result of insanity. I like helping others because it makes me feel relevant, but I also recognise the motivation behind this sort of helping. Do you value independence over cooperation at all times? I don't think compulsive helping a waste any more than seclusion. Both can be - and usually are - insane actions.

I don't think there is something to like about helping. I only help to gain something. Actually its not helping, its doing "something" to gain something. By "something" I mean it could be hurting someone, helping, lying... you get the idea.

Kirjuri said:
Who defines this "good life"? That is a subjective term in itself. Why would it be any different than seeking happiness?

To me good life is a serene life. You don't have to be happy to be serene. Serenity is enough.

Kirjuri said:
Trying not to be sad is avoidance of emotion. Emotions are an essential part of the human body. Entirely different things to train your mind not to react to everything versus blocking any and all emotion out reactionally (extremes here). However, you can't deny your body what it is already going through.

I don't think I avoid feeling emotions. I avoid everything causes me feel sad. For example, I study hard to not have a bad life so I won't be sad so I remain or reach to serenity.

Kirjuri · Nov 20, 2017

shadowbroker said:
I don't think there is something to like about helping. I only help to gain something. Actually its not helping, its doing "something" to gain something. By "something" I mean it could be hurting someone, helping, lying... you get the idea.

Feelings of relevance and appreciation are things I directly gain from helping them and seeing them change as I help. For the most part it isn't altruistic at all, simply egoic gain. I wouldn't do it if they didn't recognise and validate it. Having them fare better also makes my life easier as I consider my social circle a resource and a means to an end.

shadowbroker said:
To me good life is a serene life. You don't have to be happy to be serene. Serenity is enough.

I don't think I avoid feeling emotions. I avoid everything causes me feel sad. For example, I study hard to not have a bad life so I won't be sad so I remain or reach to serenity.

If you didn't avoid sadness, why would you avoid things that make you sad? Do you believe things make you sad, disturb your serenity? I'd say serenity is rather impossible to find in a world where disturbance is inevitable. Avoiding things, therefore, can hardly be the sound solution. Emotions are not an enemy, they just... are there, like all other phenomena.

desire machine · Nov 20, 2017

Golden Candle said:
some say hitler is an example of an evil infj

i don't think so

I can't imagine an evil infj.

I can see infjs being things like bitchy, bossy, stubborn, and all around difficult people

blushed:don't worry I'm not talking about you) ....and I can see an infj being a character in a story that gets in the way of a protagonist because of those traits and so unintentionally sabotages, ruins what the pro tag is trying to do .... but I can't see an infj acting maliciously... at least not more that just temporarily in the heat of the moment from when they're upset about something.

I think NiFe= wanting love and harmony and thinking about how to create it way too much to be evil

desire machine · Nov 20, 2017

Aizar said:
2) They've got a mental illness that keeps them from being fully in touch with reality, or (like 1) able to cope and do all the adult chores necessary for a healthy and legal life. Sometimes they don't fully understand that what they are doing to others is hurtful; most times their own issues seem more important, or take up all of their attention despite their best wishes. Changing their lifestyle to be more "moral" may be impossible until their mental illness is treated.

I feel like a lot of "evil" people would be difficult to type because they would be suffering mental illness and/or psychologically damaged. ...so figuring out if an infj could be "evil" might be a moot point if most "evil" people are essentially un-typable.

Aizar said:
4) They or another person they care for was hurt, and so they fight the system/other people in a mistaken belief that they are being a protector and making things better. They don't have the empathy, self-awareness, or knowledge of how these things actually work to see that what they're doing is more harmful in the long run, and/or that the other people involved are trying to do their best by them as well.

I think this is why it's unlike for any NF type to be all that evil... N types are going to focus a lot on the bigger picture, long term consequences of actions, and NFs esp focus on how it will effect people's well being, emotions etc in long term. An NT might develop cynical, unfeeling outlooks despite seeing long term, or actually be able to better harm people by feeling that the long term consequences outweigh short term harm.... actually it just occurred to me, perhaps INFJs would be prone to that as well if they were a religious fanatic. I could see some sort of religious, spiritual obsession causing an NF to feel that their long term goals outweigh short term harm. I don't see INFJs having potential to be cynical and hellbent on wanting remake the world the way they want like an "evil" nt might, but I could potentially see an INFJ having some fanatical spiritual calling, some higher purpose/force above themselves that they are following, that they feel justifies harming others.

Aizar said:
though they all could happen to anyone.

i think it's good to keep in mind that this is just fun speculation, any type is prob just as prone and susceptible to being "evil" and perhaps no one really fits into any mbti type.

desire machine · Nov 20, 2017

OrangeYou said:
But INFJs aren't really the ones to be afraid of. ENFJs actually have the balls and tenacity to act on their evil manipulative powers, and they tend to be less of a hopeful romantic than INFJs. Hopeful romantics can't be THAT evil.

lol i just wrote above that perhaps there is potential for infjs to be religious fanatics that cause harm ... lol i could see ENFJs being even worse along those lines... infjs might be fanatics, but I could see an ENFJ being a cult leader

desire machine · Nov 20, 2017

hmmm maybe NFs are the least likely to be harmful,... but when they lose touch w/ reality perhaps they can be among the scariest

desire machine · Nov 20, 2017

Niemann said:
I think my ex girlfriend is en evil INFJ, she used to be on here and typo central. She would send constantly cheat on me sending sexy texts and pictures with other guys on here and irl, and she claimed to be supportive of my furry contributions but sometimes she would look like she was so annoyed with my work like she didn't realize that it was my first passion and life dedication ever since I was old enough to pick up a toothbrush. She claimed she wanted to spend more time together but she would always lead on all these other guys some of whom were my half-friends, kinda but not really friends because they were popular athletes and I don't feel like they were very supportive of my preferences. She sold her used panties to at least two guys that I know of, maybe there were more - and I was upset because I told her from the very beginning that if she wants an open relationship she has to be straight with me, like we have to be honest and on the same page. she told me that she wanted to be loyal and commitment. I'm trying to work out and get big so she likes me more than the athletic guys but I am never going to give up my beliefs and emotions. I know INFJs can be difficult sometimes with accepting changes in traditional society but its only a matter of time before we are all recognized as equals whose orientations are respected, honored, celebrated, integrates into school curriculums, and go down in history.

dude the only thing i see wrong w/ this picture is why you even gave a fuck about this chick. Move on. It should have taken you 2 min to realize she's not worth your time.

valosagutas · Nov 20, 2017

Kirjuri said:
Feelings of relevance and appreciation are things I directly gain from helping them and seeing them change as I help. For the most part it isn't altruistic at all, simply egoic gain. I wouldn't do it if they didn't recognise and validate it. Having them fare better also makes my life easier as I consider my social circle a resource and a means to an end.

I don't consider these as gain. I don't need relevance and appreciation. I don't care seeing them change.

Kirjuri said:
If you didn't avoid sadness, why would you avoid things that make you sad? Do you believe things make you sad, disturb your serenity?

Any emotion expect peace disturb my serenity. I tolerate positive emotion as long as I can control. Unnecessary negative emotions are unacceptable. Especially sadness.

Kirjuri said:
I'd say serenity is rather impossible to find in a world where disturbance is inevitable. Avoiding things, therefore, can hardly be the sound solution. Emotions are not an enemy, they just... are there, like all other phenomena.

Yeah, the disturbance is inevitable but you don't have to feel emotions because of this IMO. For example, knowing I should do something about is enough for me. Feeling worried is pointless.

desire machine · Nov 20, 2017

shadowbroker said:
I don't think I avoid feeling emotions. I avoid everything causes me feel sad. For example, I study hard to not have a bad life so I won't be sad so I remain or reach to serenity.

Niemann · Nov 22, 2017

desire machine said:
dude the only thing i see wrong w/ this picture is why you even gave a fuck about this chick. Move on. It should have taken you 2 min to realize she's not worth your time.

shes hot as hell and I know they tell you not to stick your dick into crazy but tbqh fam I am crazy too so it's not like I can reasonably ask for anything better, right?

Antipode · Nov 22, 2017

Kaboomz said:
evil is very melodramatic

xDD

AOD III · Nov 22, 2017

Niemann said:
I think my ex girlfriend is en evil INFJ, she used to be on here and typo central. She would send constantly cheat on me sending sexy texts and pictures with other guys on here and irl, and she claimed to be supportive of my furry contributions but sometimes she would look like she was so annoyed with my work like she didn't realize that it was my first passion and life dedication ever since I was old enough to pick up a toothbrush. She claimed she wanted to spend more time together but she would always lead on all these other guys some of whom were my half-friends, kinda but not really friends because they were popular athletes and I don't feel like they were very supportive of my preferences. She sold her used panties to at least two guys that I know of, maybe there were more - and I was upset because I told her from the very beginning that if she wants an open relationship she has to be straight with me, like we have to be honest and on the same page. she told me that she wanted to be loyal and commitment. I'm trying to work out and get big so she likes me more than the athletic guys but I am never going to give up my beliefs and emotions. I know INFJs can be difficult sometimes with accepting changes in traditional society but its only a matter of time before we are all recognized as equals whose orientations are respected, honored, celebrated, integrates into school curriculums, and go down in history.

Yeah, she sounds like a mean, manipulative bitch. I bet you are glad she is an *X*.

AOD III · Nov 22, 2017

shadowbroker said:
I don't think there is something to like about helping. I only help to gain something. Actually its not helping, its doing "something" to gain something. By "something" I mean it could be hurting someone, helping, lying... you get the idea.

You know, I really feel creeped out.

AOD III · Nov 22, 2017

desire machine said:
I feel like a lot of "evil" people would be difficult to type because they would be suffering mental illness and/or psychologically damaged. ...so figuring out if an infj could be "evil" might be a moot point if most "evil" people are essentially un-typable.

Well it all depends on what you define as evil. You can do some pretty dastardly things and not be a mental case.

But the type I was describing in my OP, the sociopath, actually has a brain disorder. There is something biologically wrong with their amygdala (down in the limbic system where our feelings are located) so that they don't feel fear. I can't quite remember how it all connects, but it causes a lack of arousal in the frontal cortex, which means they can't inhibit behavior and are constantly seeking stimulus. These brain defects can be viewed on MRI's. It's possible that in the future, rather than putting them in prison, we may implant a microchip.

ilovegoodcheese · Nov 24, 2017

shadowbroker said:
I'm an evil INFJ. Since I understood most people are selfish I understood what I was doing wrong and I feel better about being a normal person. By normal people I mean making fun others, using people, thinking only for yourself... yeah you get the idea.

Apparently being an INFJ is actually a mental illness. I really don't know what was I thinking when I believe being kind is most important quality in a person. Since I'm a selfish asshole like others I'm really happy, people don't mind about it and people like me.

It's really pointless to think of others. There is no benefit from helping them. They will die anyway. What is the point?

It's sucks to have empathy but I'm sure I can use it to my advantage.

It's sucks to born as an INFJ. I wish there was I way to change personality.

Just a reflection, it seems to me that you had very high internal standards and done a lot of autocritisim where you seem to have scored yourself very low into your framework. This provided you with very negative feelings, so, for getting rid of them, you inverted your standards, and now you are scoring really high in the "evil" framework.

Look, it might seem to you a creative solution to get better feelings quickly, but let me tell you it is not going to work a long term because:

- when you will feel better scoring high in the evil framework, you'll go back to your natural framework, where you are going to score very low.

- relevant people to you is not going to validate you in the "evil" framework, and this will trigger auto-criticism again.

- swaping your inner framework because you are feeling bad because you are losing is like cheating in a solitary game.

Your suffering does not come from your original framework, but from the way you use auto-criticism and seek auto-validation. Auto-cristism is a very dangerous operation and never is positive if you are doing it under a stressing situation. Under the "battle" is not time to question your principles or if you are good enough following them, but is the time to be effective fighting, so focus in your goals not in yourself. Feelings of anger, fear, desperation, deception, betrayal are normal when in a conflictive situation, accept them but don't recreate them, use them as driving energy to continue fighting and instead focus in your goals.

Second, enemies always try to drag you into self-critisim to hurt your moral and deactivate you. This is psychological war. Don't let be manipulated when fighting them. Your enemy is not your advisor.

Third, when doing auto-validation, are you really evaluating yourself fairly? Are you acknowledging and celebrating your success? or simply recounting where you failed? Are you forgiving yourself in your failures? Everyone fails sooner or latter, the important part here is to keep fighting! 100% succeed is very difficult to archive, and often what one get is a relative advance, a partial victory. Consolidate your position then, and advance in next battle. Keep fighting!

Cheers

valosagutas · Nov 24, 2017

ilovegoodcheese said:
Look, it might seem to you a creative solution to get better feelings quickly

It doesn't make me feel better. It just gave me peace. At least I'm not sad anymore.

ilovegoodcheese said:
Your enemy is not your advisor.

Yeah but you can learn from your enemy.

ilovegoodcheese said:
Third, when doing auto-validation, are you really evaluating yourself fairly?

Yeah.

ilovegoodcheese said:
Are you acknowledging and celebrating your success?

It depends. There is nothing to celebrate the easy victory.

ilovegoodcheese said:
or simply recounting where you failed?

Yeah. You can learn a lot from failure. Sometimes you have to lose to learn how to win.

ilovegoodcheese said:
Are you forgiving yourself in your failures?

There is nothing to forgive yourself for failure. Success isn't important than failure. You may have to success hundred times to gain something but one failure may cause you to lose everything. Failure is unacceptable.

ilovegoodcheese said:
Everyone fails sooner or latter, the important part here is to keep fighting! 100% succeed is very difficult to archive, and often what one get is a relative advance, a partial victory. Consolidate your position then, and advance in next battle. Keep fighting!

Why should I fight? Life is just a game you lose in the end. Fighting is pointless.

I didn't give up but I'm not fighting. I'm not sure if there is a word to describe it. I'm just living I guess.

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