Personality Cafe banner
1 - 20 of 22 Posts
Chenk is an ENFP, just look at his Bradley Manning speech and wolf pac videos.
Cornell is flaming extrovert that stink's of Ne.
 
Why was it necessary to make four threads for this? o_O
 
Discussion starter · #6 ·
Chenk is an ENFP, just look at his Bradley Manning speech and wolf pac videos.
Cornell is flaming extrovert that stink's of Ne.
Cenk is a democratic party shill. He's a con artist, trying to be the new Howard Stern. I wouldn't buy into his shtick. He's a glorified, Glenn Greenwald ripping off, lesser successful version of Rachel Maddow. Passionate speeches =/= Fi btw...

West might be an extravert, but his functions are definitely Ni-Fe
 
Meh. Being a progressive thinker gets you burnt at the stake, crucified, sent to prison, executed, and you never get invited to parties.
 
Cenk is a democratic party shill. He's a con artist, trying to be the new Howard Stern. I wouldn't buy into his shtick. He's a glorified, Glenn Greenwald ripping off, lesser successful version of Rachel Maddow. Passionate speeches =/= Fi btw...

West might be an extravert, but his functions are definitely Ni-Fe
Chenk a democratic party shill?
Apparently you have never seen TYT.
Voluntarily left a lucrative job at MSCNBC to not be one.
THey have been on obama's ass from day one, they have ripped the asshole of the democratic party time and time again.
THey have highlighted the corruption that is rampant in Washington and how both parties are bought and paid for time and time again (not news I know).
They have criticized the left time and time again for hiding their heads in the sand when it comes Obama.
They criticize Obama for the puppet he is and not some fox news, mainstream media criticism.T
Hey ahve been highly critical towards the mainstream media from the very beginning.

You are talking out of your fucking ass DJeter.
Just like always I guess.
Trying to be Howard Stern?
Rachel Maddow ripoff?
Bro...are you seriously stupid?
you talk about things you know nothing about my friend.
aka speaking out of your ass.

West being an extroverted INFJ????
Now you're just trying too hard.
I call you the Fe magician cause you magically turn everybody into Fe dom/aux, ever Fe tert if your desperate.


INFJ MY FUCKING ASS!
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
Chenk a democratic party shill?
Apparently you have never seen TYT.
Voluntarily left a lucrative job at MSCNBC to not be one.
THey have been on obama's ass from day one, they have ripped the asshole of the democratic party time and time again.
THey have highlighted the corruption that is rampant in Washington and how both parties are bought and paid for time and time again (not news I know).
They have criticized the left time and time again for hiding their heads in the sand when it comes Obama.
They criticize Obama for the puppet he is and not some fox news, mainstream media criticism.T
Hey ahve been highly critical towards the mainstream media from the very beginning.

You are talking out of your fucking ass DJeter.
Just like always I guess.
Trying to be Howard Stern?
Rachel Maddow ripoff?
Bro...are you seriously stupid?
you talk about things you know nothing about my friend.
aka speaking out of your ass.

West being an extroverted INFJ????
Now you're just trying too hard.
I call you the Fe magician cause you magically turn everybody into Fe dom/aux, ever Fe tert if your desperate.


INFJ MY FUCKING ASS!
I guess you like Cenk. And I guess you are an Fi user. Sorry I offended you.

There was a Cenk thread that resulted in an ENTP consensus. I in retrospect feel he's not really as intuitive seeming as he'd have us believe, like Ron Paul. (Sorry if you're a Ron Paul fan too.) But, in retrospect now, you're probably right on the Ne dom thing. But I think he's definitely thinking aux.

But anyway, Cenk supports the Syrian intervention. He himself says he's a liberal, and not a progressive. That I included him in this thread was a sign of respect in some ways. I should have put him in the neo-liberal thread.

Oh, and I meant West could have been ENFJ not INFJ... I wasn't ordering the functions. Thus, "extr[A]verted"... But, idk... can you give me some arguments?


The Introverted Intuition TypeIntroverted intuition is directed inward to the contents of the unconscious. It attempts to fathom internal events by relating them to universal psychological processes or to other archetypal images. Consequently it generally has a mythical, symbolic or prophetic quality.
According to Jung, the introverted intuition type can be either an artist, seer or crank. Such a person has a visionary ideal that reveals strange, mysterious things. These are enigmatic, 'unearthly' people who stand aloof from ordinary society. They have little interest in explaining or rationalizing their personal vision, but are content merely to proclaim it. Partly as a result of this, they are often misunderstood. Although the vision of the artist among this type generally remains on the purely perceptual level, mystical dreamers or cranks may become caught up in theirs. The person's life then becomes symbolic, taking on the nature of a Great Work, mission or spiritual-moral quest. If neurotic, repressed sensation may express itself in primitive, instinctual ways and, like their extraverted counterparts, introverted intuitives often suffer from hypochondria and compulsions.
The Extraverted Feeling TypeExtraverted feeling is based upon accepted or traditional social values and opinions. It involves a conforming, adjusting response to objective circumstances that strives for harmonious relations with the world. Because it depends so much on external stimuli rather than upon true subjective preferences, such feeling can sometimes seem cold, 'unfeeling', artificial or put on for effect.
The extraverted feeling type follows fashion and seeks to harmonize personal feelings with general social values. Thinking is always subordinate to feeling and is ignored or repressed if intellectual conclusions fail to confirm the convictions of the heart. When this type is extreme or neurotic, feeling may become gushing or extravagant and dependent upon momentary enthusiasms that may quickly turn about with changing circumstances. Such a person may therefore seem hysterical, fickle, moody or even to be suffering from multiple personality. Repressed thinking may also erupt in infantile, negative, obsessive ways. This can lead to the attribution of dreaded characteristics to the very objects or people that are most loved and valued.
The Introverted Feeling TypeIntroverted feeling strives for an inner intensity that is unrelated to any external object. It devalues objective reality and is rarely displayed openly. When it does appear on the surface, it generally seems negative or indifferent. The focus of such feeling is upon inner processes and latent, primordial images. At its extreme, it may develop into mystical ecstasy.
The introverted feeling type is brooding and inaccessible, although may also hide behind a childish mask. Such a person aims to be inconspicuous, makes little attempt to impress and generally fails to respond to the feelings of others. The outer, surface appearance is often neutral, cold and dismissive. Inwardly, however, feelings are deep, passionately intense, and may accompany secret religious or poetic tendencies. The effect of all this on other people can be stifling and oppressive. When extreme or neurotic, this type may become domineering and vain. Negative repressed thinking may also be projected so that these persons may imagine they can know what others are thinking. This may develop into paranoia and into secret scheming rivalries.
The Extraverted Intuition TypeExtraverted intuition attempts to envisage all the possibilities that are inherent in an objective situation. Ordinary events are seen as providing a cipher or set of clues from which underlying processes and hidden potentialities can be determined. Yet once these possibilities are apprehended, objects and events lose their meaning and import. There is therefore a constant need for new situations and experiences to provide a fresh stimulus for the intuitive process.
The extraverted intuition type is an excellent diagnostician and exploiter of situations. Such people see exciting possibilities in every new venture and are excellent at perceiving latent abilities in other people. They get carried away with the enthusiasm of their vision and often inspire others with the courage of their conviction. As such, they do well in occupations where these qualities are at a premium - for example in initiating new projects, in business, politics or the stock market. They are, however, easily bored and stifled by unchanging conditions. As a result they often waste their life and talents jumping from one activity to another in the search for fresh possibilities, failing to stick at any one project long enough to bring it to fruition. Furthermore, in their commitment to their own vision, they often show little regard for the needs, views or convictions of others. When neurotic, repressed sensation may cause this type to become compulsively tied to people, objects or activities that stir in them primitive sensations such as pleasure, pain or fear. The consequence of this can be phobias, hypochondriacal beliefs and a range of other compulsions.
 
I'm pretty sure Noam Chomsky is INFJ. Enneagram 1w9

I don't know any of the others since I'm from Spain. Could name a couple from here but I no one would have heard of them also ... hahaha

I don't know some of them enough to type them but from the top of my head, some other progressive/radical thinkers and philosophers:

Libertarian socialists (or close to)
Bertrand Russell => No idea, probably E5
Erich Fromm => No idea
Albert Camus => INFP 4w3
George Orwell => INFP 6w5
Aldous Huxley => INFP 5wX
Stephanie Héssel => INFJ 1w9 I guess (probably not as radical as the others)
Bakunin => ???? Just read about his life, absolutely E7
Kropotkin => No idea
Emma Goldman => No idea, E7?
Proudhon => No idea
Leo Tolstoy => INFJ probably

Marxists
Jean-Paul Sartre => (never read him, but I see him always typed as INTJ 5w4)
Lenin => INTJ 5w6 (not sure of the INTJ, but he's the most 5w6 you ever saw)
Marx => INTX 5w6
Engels => No idea
Stalin => Not sure, XXFX I guess... probably 8 with a 4 in the tritype but he's a very weird character because he changed completely... - he started out as a spiritual, romantic poet, even if few people know that.

Can't come up with any other marxist at the moment. Weird since a lot more famous people are marxist rather than anarchist... But most of the ones I know are from Spain I guess.
 
Noam's an INTP. Always thought Chris Hedges was an ENFP, but I could see ISFP. Definitely Fi anyway.
I always saw Hedges as INFP, he uses Ne when he generates historical examples and definitely has Fi.

I think Chomsky is INFJ but has a lot of Ti, whenever it comes to foundations of domestic policy or international affairs he usually says there is no deeper theory: "if there is a body of theory...that applies to the conduct of foreign affairs or the resolution of domestic or international conflict, its existence has been kept a well-guarded secret."
 
Also I did make a thread about this previously but my guesses were:

Peter Kropotkin - INFJ

Somewhat reclusive, very Fe-oriented both in his theories and in personal life. Often vowed for a logical (Ti) approach to convey his ideas.

Mikhail Bakunin - INTJ

Fire-breathing "fanatic" of liberty (Ni) although he disparaged the poor and oppressed for being religious (Fi). Politically was against Marx.
......

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - INFP (possibly ENFP)

Often felt the state to be a personal violation (Fi) and disliked creating systems. In his writing often brainstormed many examples (Ne).
 
I think Chomsky is INFJ but has a lot of Ti, whenever it comes to foundations of domestic policy or international affairs he usually says there is no deeper theory: "if there is a body of theory...that applies to the conduct of foreign affairs or the resolution of domestic or international conflict, its existence has been kept a well-guarded secret."
Isn't Fe a warm, congenial function though? Noam's pretty cold and humorless; couldn't see him baking cookies for anyone. His idealism seems like inferior Fe; the highly politicized INTPs I know come off similarly. And his linguistics background... The hours upon hours of theorizing about the structure of language = Ti to the max, and likely Ne.

And yeah, I definitely think Cornel West is an ENFP. He's too wacky to be anything else.
 
Discussion starter · #15 ·
Isn't Fe a warm, congenial function though? Noam's pretty cold and humorless; couldn't see him baking cookies for anyone. His idealism seems like inferior Fe; the highly politicized INTPs I know come off similarly. And his linguistics background... The hours upon hours of theorizing about the structure of language = Ti to the max, and likely Ne.

And yeah, I definitely think Cornel West is an ENFP. He's too wacky to be anything else.
Male, academic type F types come across a lot more thinking-like due to societal demands and social demands (in academia, Fe isn't as sought after)...
 
Discussion starter · #16 ·
Chenk a democratic party shill?
It's Cenk. Not Chenk... Sweetheart, if you're going to insult my supposed ignorance, you should at least not be an asshole to me and then spell the guy's name wrong who you're genuflecting before... It's just courteous...

Apparently you have never seen TYT.
I watched TYT live for years, so don't condescend me for not being a sycophantic follower of some half-rate talk show host. Cenk is not a goddamned God, for Christ's sake...

Voluntarily left a lucrative job at MSCNBC to not be one.
It's MSNBC. And he left for a multitude of reasons, no doubt there is justice among thieves... so I respect his decision here in some ways, in others I think it was more of a career decision. I.e. the same way Glenn Beck wouldn't take a pay cut and then started an online media empire. I see Cenk as the centrist version of Glenn Beck. If YOU can't see that, I would question your cranium-anal position as well.

THey have been on obama's ass from day one, they have ripped the asshole of the democratic party time and time again.
THey have highlighted the corruption that is rampant in Washington and how both parties are bought and paid for time and time again (not news I know).
Well, actually, it would depend on your definition of news. And I would love some video examples of this ripping on democrats... I'm sure you can find some, I would just like to see those videos. And really, if you are a loyal sycophant like you claim, you should know they supported democrats in all of the elections this past election cycle. You know, the one that elected Obama...

They have criticized the left time and time again for hiding their heads in the sand when it comes Obama.
They criticize Obama for the puppet he is and not some fox news, mainstream media criticism.T
Hey ahve been highly critical towards the mainstream media from the very beginning.
They have a vested interest in insulting the "mainstream media" and hello, they all voted Obama in...

You are talking out of your fucking ass DJeter.
Ok... thanks for the civil discourse...
Just like always I guess.
I must be an easy bullying target on here... must have something to do with actually stating a guess at a type...

Trying to be Howard Stern?
Rachel Maddow ripoff?
Yeah... perhaps you think Cenk invented talk shows that capitalize on sex and give a liberal spin on politics?

Bro...are you seriously stupid?
Usually, I'm jokingly stupid. Idk... you're making me ask this myself...

you talk about things you know nothing about my friend.
aka speaking out of your ass.
I was just speaking out of my ass, and it was as valuable to this conversation as this insult... aka ad hominem aka a waste of dialogue... Just be fucking civil!

West being an extroverted INFJ????
Now you're just trying too hard.
I call you the Fe magician cause you magically turn everybody into Fe dom/aux, ever Fe tert if your desperate.
Examples please? What was that definition of speaking out of one's ass? I have no interest in the world being full of Fe users... I don't understand this insult...

INFJ MY FUCKING ASS!
Lol... you need to get some anger therapy bro... you could have had an actual conversation with me rather than just have this immature rant... And hey, since I'm not close minded... I actually changed two of my typings! I think Cenk as ENTP and West as ENFP... no doubt due to other's input...

Seriously, you should apologize... this whole post is just ridiculous....
 
Isn't Fe a warm, congenial function though? Noam's pretty cold and humorless; couldn't see him baking cookies for anyone. His idealism seems like inferior Fe; the highly politicized INTPs I know come off similarly. And his linguistics background... The hours upon hours of theorizing about the structure of language = Ti to the max, and likely Ne.
He can actually be very warm in some interviews, I think it's just that he's extremely serious all the time and has very developed Ti (and is often times arguing with people) so it doesn't do good to openly use Fe in his career. I think the best evidence for INFJ is that he almost refuses to theorize foreign and domestic affairs and will instead just cite other theories as examples of approximate knowledge (even for the propaganda model he credited it to Herman and mostly provided examples).

Any INTP would surely want to create a grand theory first which down the line will help people (inferior Fe) but Chomsky makes moral arguments and is outraged first and then might use theories as evidence.

And even for linguistics the way he explains it is very Ni, I don't feel like looking for the video but he basically said how "obvious" and self-evident it is that universal grammar exists because we have innate genetic structures(?) which actually is quite a leap in assumptions and not at all an obvious one (and that's even though I agree that UG exists).
 
Also I did make a thread about this previously but my guesses were:

Peter Kropotkin - INFJ

Somewhat reclusive, very Fe-oriented both in his theories and in personal life. Often vowed for a logical (Ti) approach to convey his ideas.

Mikhail Bakunin - INTJ

Fire-breathing "fanatic" of liberty (Ni) although he disparaged the poor and oppressed for being religious (Fi). Politically was against Marx.
......

Pierre-Joseph Proudhon - INFP (possibly ENFP)

Often felt the state to be a personal violation (Fi) and disliked creating systems. In his writing often brainstormed many examples (Ne).
I have no idea with the others because I don't know them at all, but Bakunin... It's hard for me to see him as INTJ. Do you know he NEVER finished one of his books? All of the books by him are unfinished. He was a man of action, unlike Kropotkin who was mainly a thinker. Bakunin was pretty much everywhere in the world at the same time, and would get in a lot of trouble...
Ah, I don't really know much more about him either. But he seems Ne rather than Ni... No question he's a Enneagram 7 though.


Chomsky takes his thing very seriously and clearly is not the kind that will use humor in such serious matters. Who knows how he is in his more personal life. What's he gonna do in interviews or conferences? I'm sure he feels like he's got to explain as much as he can in the time he has and can't lose any time with jokes, personal stories, telling his life... and whatever.

Well I read understanding power (I recommend it, it's very big and covers nearly everything of his thought but the linguistics) and there's quite a lot of humor actually. I think if you look closely in the interviews you can see his Fe. It's just subtle but I always kind of knew he was/is a feeler type!
 
Discussion starter · #20 ·
I still think there's a chance Cornel West is Fe rather than Fi. This aspect of Fi in particular:

His correct perception of human needs allows him to avoid risky collisions when satisfying his own needs.
seems counter to how Cornel West approaches things. He always causes a ruckus of some kind, with his rap album, with the president of Harvard, and with his blatantly controversial stances. He seems to intentionally same something to make an emotional effect, for example, his calling Obama a "Rockefeller Republican in black face"... etc.

And this aspect actually goes to the definition of Fe:

This perceptual element implies the ability to know what excites people, and what suppresses them.
And his very imposing religious/morality-based arguments are very Fe, as his ability to engage the audience and spur people to act as is said of Fe users:

[(S)h]e is able to activate the psychological/spiritual lives of other people and their emotional readiness for action.
 
1 - 20 of 22 Posts