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One thing I will say is that I think people spend too much time obsessing over inter-type relationships. I used to be highly skeptical of the whole theory until I forced myself to study and understand it. I'm by no means an expert, but I do think there are noticeable patterns, and so far, this is the best system I have found that attempts to illustrate them in an (almost) digestible format. I think it's important not to focus so much of trying to fit yourself into a system, the system has to work for you, not the other way round.

Anyway, experience above theory has taught me that individuation and emotional maturity (i.e. dealing with childhood issues and emotional traumas, etc) is your best bet when it comes to healthy and successful relationships. Socionics is literally the tip of the ice-berg when it comes to understanding ourselves and each other. It's a nice idea to play around with and it certainly has helped me understand, appreciate, and respect the importance of perspective.

It might just be the way I am but I'm not going to stop playing with fire just because a theory tells me it might end badly. I'm the sort of person who needs to get their fingers burnt before I learn the lesson. I don't have too many issues with Socionics; so far the theory has proved to be rather reliable and compatible with my own personal experiences, which is by far the most important factor for me.
 
In my experience communication between N is stimulating. As an N, I didn't know how a communication work between S. Maybe be Someone could elaborate?
You talk. You listen (quite important actually to understand someone ;)). Sometimes, you just shut up. Both adjust if they want to make it work. No matter if it's N/N, N/S or S/S.

If you can adjust probably depends on a lot of factors (most of all if you actually want to - I didn't always want to, but that really depended on the person, and I've experienced it with N and S alike), and it's also a process of getting to know each other. There's no magical mind-reading going on.
I personally also don't find communication with Sensors less stimulating. It's total rubbish in my opinion that Sensors can't be "as deep" etc. I can have very meaningful conversations with my partner and my best friend. About all sorts of subjects, from philosophy to art to fixing my motorbike. I'm a "jump from A to B" kind of person. They're a bit more grounded and to the point. But we both listen to what the other has to say, get new ideas through it, and that's why it works. Sometimes, we also fight. And thank God for that! Having arguments is normal, as long as you're disagreeing on the subject without getting mean and personal. I guess that's what it really boils down to. Maturity and communication skills.

These theories, if you want to believe in them, are not meant to create boundaries in people's heads ("I should look for/avoid xyz"), but sadly, they often do.
 
You talk. You listen (quite important actually to understand someone ;)). Sometimes, you just shut up. Both adjust if they want to make it work. No matter if it's N/N, N/S or S/S.

we both listen to what the other has to say, get new ideas through it, and that's why it works. Sometimes, we also fight. And thank God for that! Having arguments is normal, as long as you're disagreeing on the subject without getting mean and personal. I guess that's what it really boils down to. Maturity and communication skills.

These theories, if you want to believe in them, are not meant to create boundaries in people's heads ("I should look for/avoid xyz"), but sadly, they often do.
Common sense. Tasty, but scarce.
 
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So, uh, Keirsey's compatibility theory is based on his own definition of the types--which differs significantly from Jungian, Socionic, and, to a lesser degree, MBTI theories.

Especially different is his clarification of the N and S, upon which his compatibility theory is based. According to Keirsey, N folks prefer to think and communicate abstractly, either about
-people/relationships (NF), some examples being Ghandi, Pope JPII, J.K. Rowling, Oprah, or about
-systems/things (NT), such as Bill Gates, Albert Einstein, Thomas Jefferson;

whereas S folks prefer to think and communicate non-abstractly (i.e. in the here and now), either according to
-structuring (SJ), famous examples including George Washington, Clara Barton, Queen Victoria, Mike Wallace of 60 minutes, or
-unstructuring (SP), such as Michael Jordan, John Williams (the composer), Marilyn Monroe.

In short, his research found that certain types tended to end up together more than others, especially when controlled for second marriages after the first marriage had failed. The most common pairings he found were according to the N/S--NTs with NFs, and SJs with SPs.

He theorized further (based on anecdotal rather than empirical evidence) that, ideally, the remaining indicators (E/I, F/T or J/P) ought to contradict. Thus, the ENFP's Keirseyian match would be the INTJ.

If you are wondering what type you are according to Keirsey, his temperament sorter helps, although I think the distinguishing portrait analysis offered by his book offers the surest method of type identification. His website has been taken over by his sons and other typologists, and I am not sure if they are as incisive in their deductions as he was--but at least they offer the gist of his theory intact. Here is their explanation of the Keirsey compatibility theory, which I find rather well done.

BTW, according to Keirsey, the I/E indicator distinguishes a person's preference for expressiveness. For instance,
-an introvert often prefers to consider their thoughts internally and express only what is needed, whereas
-an extrovert often prefers to express their thoughts externally, as they happen.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out the inherent confusion of using the Keirsey compatibility theory according to Socionic type definitions, or vice-versa...which means...this entire thread might be bust based on my own contradiction of Socionic compatibility based on Keirsey type definitions.

Still. I think there is enough convolution in the socionics compatibility theory to warrant a closer look at Keirsey's.
 
That the lowercase j or p means INTp is the same as INTJ, which is what you seem to be implying with your wording. All the lowercase letter means is that one is referring to a Socionics type and not an MBTI one. Any conclusions past that are your own.
Have you read anything about Socionics?
 
I think that people can be easy to talk to as long as you're willing to set the initiative. At least when it comes to talking to sensors about intuitive topics, you make sure to pose the question to them and not make an intuitive topic out of something inappropriate for that transformation. Or you wait for them to ask you about an intuitive topic. Usually if you do this, they will be receptive or they will give you the cold shoulder, without any ambiguity. I'm not going to pretend that a lot don't give you the cold shoulder, but at least the situation is clear and not some ambiguous mess.

On the other side of that, I can't say I'm all that open to things my dual might want to talk about. Maybe if they bring up people I care about, I'll chime in with how I think that person should behave and my assessment of them. If they talk about sensory stuff, with some nuance to it, I'll probably pay attention, but I'm not blanket-interested in sensory things they might say. Basically, I don't want just any old information. I want information that can be used to improve a situation(for example by optimizing something or improving my emotional state). If they can give me Fe/Si that improves a situation within my bounds, I listen.
 
Anyway, experience above theory has taught me that individuation and emotional maturity (i.e. dealing with childhood issues and emotional traumas, etc) is your best bet when it comes to healthy and successful relationships.
That is why I am guessing enneagrams and instinctual stacking is much more meaningful than types when it comes to inter-type
 
That is why I am guessing enneagrams and instinctual stacking is much more meaningful than types when it comes to inter-type
I'm not really sure what Enneagram can tell you about relationships. There isn't much of a "system" so it's hard to make predictions from it, as it's all very subjective. I think of it more as an interesting introspective tool.

Socionics is about information exchange and flow. It can predict (ime) how well you can/can't "communicate" with another person, due to cognitive function preference and how they interact with others within the psyche. That's about it.

I personally think "duality" is overly romanticized. There are so many factors than influence our behavior and human relationships. I think it's a useful tool that can be used to help explain why you might encounter communication barriers/issues with certain people. Studying it has helped me truly appreciate the significance of "perspective".
 
I'm not really sure what Enneagram can tell you about relationships. There isn't much of a "system" so it's hard to make predictions from it, as it's all very subjective. I think of it more as an interesting introspective tool.

Socionics is about information exchange and flow. It can predict (ime) how well you can/can't "communicate" with another person, due to cognitive function preference and how they interact with others within the psyche. That's about it.

I personally think "duality" is overly romanticized. There are so many factors than influence our behavior and human relationships. I think it's a useful tool that can be used to help explain why you might encounter communication barriers/issues with certain people. Studying it has helped me truly appreciate the significance of "perspective".
Enneagram does not tell you about relationships, maybe that is the beauty of it :)) Understanding a person's fears, motivations could help a lot while developing relationships. Also a shared instinctual first I think might be much more telling than most inter-type relationships. I do find socionics relationships quite telling especially as opposed to MBTI best match but the dynamics given feels more like the hardware while the enneagram is more like the software. Sure, if you have hardware clashes you will never be able to run the software or care about it but I think as long as you don't have great cognitive function clashes, enneagrams might be what you might be interested in to understand the other. Surely though it is not a system but it is also quite related, a much lighter form with much more insight on the person's recent state in my opinion. So what I am saying is it is no coincidence most INTJs are 5s or ENFJs are 2s or INFJs and ENFJs have soc in their stacking but I do find it meaningful to understand what motivates a person, how they feel about life, others what they crave for much more important. I have also recently met two other INFPs and I find them much more different than myself and from each other as well, while I am a soc last 4, they are 1 or 3 sp/soc and enneagram 9 sp and I feel like even when I have a lot of Fi-Fe clashes with my INFJ friend, him being another heart type - 2- makes us better friends and likewise I notice that my romantic interests have always been people with sx in their stacking but I can not trust a person easily when they are sp last. Things like that.
 
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