Me. The 854.

543452 · May 27, 2018

Hello people of the enneagram forum. My name is Pessimissing (obviously) and I'm an ISTP-Ni who is an 854 with an infinity loop typed 8-5 relationship. 8 roadrolls through life while 5 dissects it. This has been my eternal fixation. 8 is slightly, and I mean very slightly, more dominant than 5 because of my confrontational aura to life. I typically hold an aura of contempt for damn near everybody to prevent any openings for interpersonal and vulnerable conversation. This is because I would hate to see somebody grab and control my heart and mind by their strings. I'm a puppet for nobody and this is how I navigate through life. Being an 854 does come with some noticeable flaws though. For one, the average person cannot and will not relate with you nor me. They would find your aura too dismissive and heavy. This appeases your 5 and secretly saddens your 4. Your 8 won't give a damn. Your 4 will sadden at this sight because of it's yearning for the one. The one who will reach out for your self-perceived sullen and incomprehensible existence. So 4 isn't so much as saddened by the fear of the average person, but saddened because of the perpetuated wait for the special one. In my opinion, this tritype is misunderstood and this is because of it's overratedness. We're not cool. We aren't true loners. We can be cringe-worthy. We're typically assholes. We condemn everything, including ourselves. We are the most susceptible to adopt depressive tendencies. We're also hermetic and blinded by our own perceptions of reality. This sometimes makes us delusional to the truth of things. We're stubborn to a fault. We're also not nearly as special nor are we as intelligent as we delude ourselves to be.

I can tell you what we're good at though. We're good at realizing how superficial and fake the societal existence is. We're good at freedom fighting. We're good bully-hunters. We're good at destroying the confidence of the prideful. We're the most idiosyncratic. We're good at withholding all types of pain. It could be existential, emotional, physical, psychological, spiritual, it doesn't matter. We love dealing with the pain of life because that's how we perceive life. A truthful medley of pain that you must survive through. This is why we appear "edgy" to most when in truth, we've already conditioned ourselves to handle the grievances of life. Nothing can nor will anything ever bother us to emotional extremes. We're our own shields against the many harsh weathers of reality. We're good at self-revelation. Nobody understands us better than we do. At least, this is how we perceive it. We're good at necessary disconnection. When we don't want to deal with people's shit, we immediately disconnect from those people for good. Our mental resolves are second to none. When we set our minds to a goal, we set our whole existences towards the completion of that goal. We're nigh-unstoppable once when we achieve existential focus. Your 8 will always be ready. It will have to wait on 5 and 4 to make up their minds to gain the state of existential invincibility.

Overall, this tritype has been a double-edged sword. It's isolated me from my fellow man, but it has also made me irrefutably individualistic. I'm proud to be of this tritype because it's made me aware that while my footsteps may always be heavier than most, they'll always be only my footsteps to walk in this world.

What do you guys think of this tritype? I'm curious to see your thoughts.

tanstaafl28 · May 27, 2018

@Pessimissing

I think a lot of this tritype, although, I'm a bit surprised for anyone to be an introverted 8. That's actually more unusual than an extroverted 5 (like me). Of course, there are all sorts of possible variations.

Do you find any interest in dark, or macabre subjects? Serial killers, strange unexplained incidents, dark mythology, Stephen King, H.P. Lovecraft?

543452 · May 27, 2018

@tanstaafl28 I'm generally interested in the paranormal , the cryptid, and the morbid psychological acts of humanity. The cognitive processes of the morbidity. Things like why the people committed things like torture, serial killing, cannabilism, betrayal, sins, vices, bodily sacrifice, mysterious disappearances, and the like. I'm more curious in their why than their state of morality. I'm also interested in philosophy. I just haven't been able to start my studies in it yet to be comfortable talking about it. Although, I do believe that I can dissect the human psychology philosophically. Mysterious disappearances get my Ni excited. They make my Ni try to connect what little dots it receives to solve the yet unsolved.

tanstaafl28 · May 27, 2018

Pessimissing said:
@tanstaafl28 I'm generally interested in the paranormal , the cryptid, and the morbid psychological acts of humanity. The cognitive processes of the morbidity. Things like why the people committed things like torture, serial killing, cannabilism, betrayal, sins, vices, bodily sacrifice, mysterious disappearances, and the like. I'm more curious in their why than their state of morality. I'm also interested in philosophy. I just haven't been able to start my studies in it yet to be comfortable talking about it. Although, I do believe that I can dissect the human psychology philosophically. Mysterious disappearances get my Ni excited. They make my Ni try to connect what little dots it receives to solve the yet unsolved.

I've found this propensity towards understanding the darker nature of humanity, and the mysterious, to be true of every 458 (regardless of actual order) I've met so far (myself included). I call 458: "The Shadowalker."

ElectricSlime · May 27, 2018

Mr Castelo · May 27, 2018

I think you're not doing any good to the "fame" of that tritype.

Brains · May 28, 2018

Look at your typing, please, and ask who you're kidding, who you're trying to sell a bridge to. ISTP-Ni, sx first, 854 tritype, smells of teenager in search of identity a mile aw-- oh, it is one.

It's called the noob tritype for a reason.

Look at that post. You talk next to nothing of yourself, next to nothing of it is your own words, it's a bunch of "catches"/buzzwords and talking about the typing as a source of different traits you assign yourself. Again, just claims, there's nothing much in the way of actual character showing and convincing people that any particular typing is correct. You talk of yourself as a bundle of numbers, through being a bundle of numbers, as if the numbers make you what you are. That is flatly wrong. You are what you are, you make yourself what you want to be, the numbers don't make you so, they're just convenient shorthand for describing what's already there.

The second paragraphs is basically "We individualists" over and over again and a bunch of numbers as actors rather than the inert descriptions they are again.

Just drop it. Be how you are and see where that ends up.

tanstaafl28 said:
I think a lot of this tritype, although, I'm a bit surprised for anyone to be an introverted 8. That's actually more unusual than an extroverted 5 (like me). Of course, there are all sorts of possible variations.

Not really: In the research report where they measured manually typed people, Fives were about as much more introverted than average as the Eights were more extraverted than average, and the RHETI-Big 5 correlations show a much stronger lean for 5 and introversion than 8 and extraversion.

tanstaafl28 · May 29, 2018

Brains said:
Look at your typing, please, and ask who you're kidding, who you're trying to sell a bridge to. ISTP-Ni, sx first, 854 tritype, smells of teenager in search of identity a mile aw-- oh, it is one.

It's called the noob tritype for a reason.

Look at that post. You talk next to nothing of yourself, next to nothing of it is your own words, it's a bunch of "catches"/buzzwords and talking about the typing as a source of different traits you assign yourself. Again, just claims, there's nothing much in the way of actual character showing and convincing people that any particular typing is correct. You talk of yourself as a bundle of numbers, through being a bundle of numbers, as if the numbers make you what you are. That is flatly wrong. You are what you are, you make yourself what you want to be, the numbers don't make you so, they're just convenient shorthand for describing what's already there.

The second paragraphs is basically "We individualists" over and over again and a bunch of numbers as actors rather than the inert descriptions they are again.

Just drop it. Be how you are and see where that ends up.

Not really: In the research report where they measured manually typed people, Fives were about as much more introverted than average as the Eights were more extraverted than average, and the RHETI-Big 5 correlations show a much stronger lean for 5 and introversion than 8 and extraversion.

Bully for me then. :tongue:

543452 · May 29, 2018

"Look at that post. You talk next to nothing of yourself, next to nothing of it is your own words, it's a bunch of "catches"/buzzwords and talking about the typing as a source of different traits you assign yourself. Again, just claims, there's nothing much in the way of actual character showing and convincing people that any particular typing is correct. You talk of yourself as a bundle of numbers, through being a bundle of numbers, as if the numbers make you what you are. That is flatly wrong. You are what you are, you make yourself what you want to be, the numbers don't make you so, they're just convenient shorthand for describing what's already there."

You're criticizing me based on my perspective of this tritype. I only wrote this to show my perception of the tritype through my own connection to it. It wasn't to grab anybody's attention. Nor did I seek any attention from it. I also wasn't trying to vindicate anything. Neither did I say that it completely identified me. In terms of the enneagram yeah, but there are other leaves on the branch. The enneagram is just one of those. So, just because my perspective lacks subjectivity, this must mean that it's artificial and foolish to post? I disagree. But, I don't really feel the need to prove myself on why. It wouldn't lead to anything progressive. Leave it to an Te user to make partial assertions. Before you go on the offense next time, try to understand the OP's train of thought before you spit gibberish. Just know that I wrote this to shine my opinion of this tritype onto the community. It might be wrong. It might be right. But most likely, it's neither and both since it's just an perception. Life has a strange way of both falsifying and validating one's viewpoint on things. Like an eternal tug of war. Ultimately, you just leave the perception as is. Detach it from the petty evaluations who are called right and wrong. The individual could find it either wrong or right. But, that isn't the interesting part to me. What I'm interested in knowing is why they would find it right or wrong.

"Just drop it. Be how you are and see where that ends up."

How can I drop what doesn't exist to drop? What you see there is real and honest of myself. This tritype, like I said earlier, is only a small leaf among the other leaves on the tree branch. Here's my suggestion. Don't let your Te make rash judgments about people based on your Ni's crude perceptions. Question and amalgamate what you have gained before you assert what little you have.

drmiller100 · May 29, 2018

Pessimissing said:
ISTP-Ni who is an 854 with an infinity loop typed 8-5 relationship. 8 roadrolls through life while 5 dissects it. This has been my eternal fixation.

Ummmm, I've kind of new to this whole enneagram/mbti thing. Only been doing it for 10 year or so.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Istp-ni? huh? and the rest? Huh?

543452 · May 29, 2018

@drmiller100 Your response is funny. My enneagram fix is kind of.....weird. I can't exactly explain it, but I know for sure that I'm stuck between a flux of 8 and 5 energy. I'm neither of them, but at the same time both of them.

The ISTP-Ni represented me preferring aux-Ni>aux-Se. In other words, I don't agree with the typical stacking, so I'm going with my own instead.

drmiller100 · May 29, 2018

Pessimissing said:
@drmiller100 Your response is funny. My enneagram fix is kind of.....weird. I can't exactly explain it, but I know for sure that I'm stuck between a flux of 8 and 5 energy. I'm neither of them, but at the same time both of them.

The ISTP-Ni represented me preferring aux-Ni>aux-Se. In other words, I don't agree with the typical stacking, so I'm going with my own instead.

well aren't you just the special fucking snowflake.

543452 · May 29, 2018

@drmiller100 Call me out if I'm being presumptuous here, but you sound kind of irritated. Why would you be irritated by what I wrote? I was only writing what I knew of myself. That's it and that's all.

Temizzle · May 29, 2018

@OP I actually just signed onto PerC for the first time in months to create a thread about 4 - 5 - 8. Lo and behold at the top of the thread list is an 854 thread so I figure it's meant to be for me to post here.

458 is my tritype too and I'd like to hear and discuss more about it.

I actually can identify with much of what you wrote if you subtract the angst. My experience as a 458 is filled with philosophy, contemplation, appreciation, and a general shyness. That's what brews under the surface but it's never expressed. There is a constant scanning for things people and situations that I connect with that are 'meant for me' -- I'm well aware that life is filled with a lot of empty fluff and bs but there are things that do match me so I do my best to follow the omens. I reject easily and accept hardly.

I find it's hard for me to be a happy dancing member of a group or society. I'm far happier creating my own groups, teams, endeavors, seeing them birth and lift off onto their own feet, and then move on to the next thing. Through the journey I yearn for a very tight-knit selective group of close ones that I consider a part of my extended family. I haven't been single for long periods of time, I love having a partner by my side to share the journey with.

I really like to compete. I can get very serious about it and if I lose it only motivates me to push harder next time. What I like even more is being at the helm of a group of people and leading them to success. I find I can tango though. If a situation requires me to be calm and sensitive, I can do that. If it needs me to be bold harsh and upfront, I have no issues doing that either.

The most success I've found in life basically sum up to staying true to who I am, caring about those around me, and putting nothing less than 100% effort into what I do.

543452 · May 30, 2018

@Temizzle There probably was a bit too much angst; my bad. It's honestly how I feel about us. Well, maybe apart from the overrated part. That came from my perception of the exaltations of 8,5, and 4 within the community.

Anyways, the 854 tritype. To me, it looks like red riding hood except she's old, cynical, wizened, irascible, and hermetic. This tritype definitely holds the most weight to it since it's 3 fixes are all idiosyncratic of anything external to them. That, and they're the most introverted, (Well, 8 and 9 are debatable), types in their groups.When I was younger, I found everything to be in contention with my existence. I frequently found myself against people with a pure deliberation on my part. I wanted it because somehow, it felt as though I was a true individual. Life felt really alive when I was against and never agreeing. Nowadays, I don't feel that. I don't feel the need to deliberately disagree just for the sake of self-validation. I can already tell of myself that I'm quite the different one. I'm different in some good and some bad ways. I accept all of these traits. They're what makes me different. I no longer need to create hatred to realize this about myself. This tritype is probably too pensive.

Me. The 854.

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