What enneagram type do you associate with each mbti type?

Inveniet · Oct 29, 2013

SuperSoaker said:
Everything is on a scale from more to less, what does that has to do with core fears?

Well as you said, if everything is on such a scale, then that is what it has to do with it.
Core fears being a part of everything.

Now I get that a retreating influence sounds hard to swallow for an extrovert that seeks out the object.
But just because there is a overt focus on common values and a painting of the world in such colours,
I see no reason why such an individual wouldn't feel so inadequate in the world that they retreated in fear.
Of course such an individual might not even be termed an ESFJ by anyone trying to pin a type,
might get the type ISFJ or INTP pinned on them for example.
Your reasoning to me sounds like if one isn't Ti dom there is no way such a pattern wouldn't follow.
To me such a pattern sounds entirely plausible, the ESFJ in question would however be miserable.
Remember this is about neurotic patterns, we arn't looking at how well such a fix would integrate with a person,
but how much it screws them up.

SuperSoaker · Oct 29, 2013

hornet said:
Well as you said, if everything is on such a scale, then that is what it has to do with it.
Core fears being a part of everything.

Now I get that a retreating influence sounds hard to swallow for an extrovert that seeks out the object.
But just because there is a overt focus on common values and a painting of the world in such colours,
I see no reason why such an individual wouldn't feel so inadequate in the world that they retreated in fear.
Of course such an individual might not even be termed an ESFJ by anyone trying to pin a type,
might get the type ISFJ or INTP pinned on them for example.
Your reasoning to me sounds like if one isn't Ti dom there is no way such a pattern wouldn't follow.
To me such a pattern sounds entirely plausible, the ESFJ in question would however be miserable.
Remember this is about neurotic patterns, we arn't looking at how well such a fix would integrate with a person,
but how much it screws them up.

Actually I don't see it in how well it would integrate and I don't think it would integrate that well like you say.

I see it like different seeds (nature) that you can water with different bottles (nurture) and get different results. I just don't see how those seeds and bottles could produce that result.

Antiparticle · Oct 29, 2013

Maybe it's the 368 talking, but I really hate the 9w1 INFJ stereotype. I don't know any INFJs irl, but I know two INTJs, and they are both 9w1, so maybe we should switch

Inveniet · Oct 29, 2013

SuperSoaker said:
Actually I don't see it in how well it would integrate and I don't think it would integrate that well like you say.

I see it like different seeds (nature) that you can water with different bottles (nurture) and get different results. I just don't see how those seeds and bottles could produce that result.

Here is how @timeless describes it.

Extroverted Feeling Types (ENFJ, ESFJ)
Extroverted Feeling refers to an awareness of the emotions or hidden beliefs of another, but does not necessarily imply that an Fe-dominant person must bend to those emotions.
This means that Extroverted Feeling types often have a unique insight into the intentions of others. ExFJ Fives use their talents for observation to carefully watch others and plan their interactions with them. ExFJ Fives likely have a keen sense for who they should interact with and who they shouldn’t, making ExFJ Fives probably the best at coming up with accurate first impressions of others.

http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-f...ype-5-forum-investigator/65605-type-five-investigator-timeless-description.html

SuperSoaker · Oct 29, 2013

hornet said:
Here is how @timeless describes it.

http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-f...ype-5-forum-investigator/65605-type-five-investigator-timeless-description.html

Well I can see the pieces, I just can't fit them together.

Inveniet · Oct 29, 2013

SuperSoaker said:
Well I can see the pieces, I just can't fit them together.

Well I guess I'm the wrong person to discuss this with then.
I can't give you a Ti friendly breakdown of how it fits.
It just fits for me that way, and if it doesn't for you, well can't be helped.

SuperSoaker · Oct 29, 2013

hornet said:
Well I guess I'm the wrong person to discuss this with then.
I can't give you a Ti friendly breakdown of how it fits.
It just fits for me that way, and if it doesn't for you, well can't be helped.

And you know what, that's fine with me

He's a Superhero! · Oct 29, 2013

Arya said:
You can, but some are more common than others.

Even if just 1% of people aren't the typical, that's still a lot of people earth wide. Regardless though, I don't plan to stereotype the combinations.

The Scorched Earth · Oct 30, 2013

Antiparticle said:
Maybe it's the 368 talking, but I really hate the 9w1 INFJ stereotype. I don't know any INFJs irl, but I know two INTJs, and they are both 9w1, so maybe we should switch

Yes, I don't know what it is about the INFJ that screams out "peacemaker."

Swordsman of Mana · Oct 30, 2013

Krelian91 said:
ISFJ: 1w2 sp/so

most ISFJs are more gentle and conflict avoidant than the more fiery 1w2. I'd go with 9w1 or 6w7

ESFJ: 2w1 so/sx

yes

ISTJ: 1w2 so/sp

ISTJs are more "mind your own business" than So doms and less focused on humanitarianism than 1w2s. 1w9 or 6w5/5w6 Sp/So would be a better fit

ESTJ: 1w2 sx/so

most ESTJs are not Sx dom. I'd say Sp/So or So/Sp for their variants

ISFP: 9w1 sp/sx

yeah

ESFP: 8w7 so/sx

I say Sx/So, but this definitely makes more sense than the circus act stereotype they usually get

ISTP: 8w9 sp/sx

that works

ESTP: 8w7 sp/sx

no way most ESTPs are Sp dom. 3w2 Sx/So or 7w8 So/Sp would be a better fit imo

INFJ: 6w5 so/sp

I could see that

ENFJ: 2w3 sx/so

I see most ENFJs as So dom, but this works

INTJ: 6w5 sp/so

yeah

ENTJ: cp6w5 so/sp

interesting

INFP: 6w7 sp/sx

yes

ENFP: 7w6 sx/sp

I'm normal :crying:

INTP: 5w6 so/sp

yes

ENTP: 7w8 sp/sx

most ENTPs are too cerebral to be 7w8 (I'd correlate 7w8 more with Se) and lack the cold, nonchalant energy of an Sp/Sx. I would suggest 6w7, 7w6 or 3w2 So/Sp

Swordsman of Mana · Oct 30, 2013

Ice Ghost said:
Yes, I don't know what it is about the INFJ that screams out "peacemaker."

simple. Fe dom and aux value social harmony. IxFJs are more subtle and less abrupt than ExFJs.

cudibloop · Oct 30, 2013

9s aren't even necessarily peacemakers to begin with.

cudibloop · Oct 30, 2013

Tritypes:

ISFP: 952, 962, 639, 973, 974, 469
ESFP: 739, 638, 639
ISTP: 953, 973, 974, 954
ESTP: 738

INFP: 649, 639, 459, 479, 629
ENFP: 729, 728, 721, 629, 749, 748, 639
INFJ: 925, 926, 152,459, 162, 936, 953
ENFJ: 261, 361, 271, 269, 369, 379, 371

INTJ: 549, 531, 539, 639
ENTJ: 863, 853, 371, 361, 351
INTP: 529, 539
ENTP: 739, 729, 728, 731, 738, 629, 639

ISTJ: 153, 953, 163
ESTJ: 638, 628, 163
ISFJ: 639, 962, 972
ESFJ: 261, 361, 271

Krelian91 · Oct 30, 2013

Swordsman of Mana said:
most ISFJs are more gentle and conflict avoidant than the more fiery 1w2. I'd go with 9w1 or 6w7

You say that because you never met my mother.

(She's actually 6w7, but she has a very strong 1w2ish dictatorial, controlling and perfectionistic side, especially with me and my dad.)

Antiparticle · Oct 30, 2013

Swordsman of Mana said:
simple. Fe dom and aux value social harmony. IxFJs are more subtle and less abrupt than ExFJs.

My Fe screams 'justice' much more than 'peace', you can't have social harmony without action

Actually, I know much more T-doms (especially Ti) who are conflict avoidant.

How I see prototypical INFJ, or, again, maybe the 368 talking

Helios · Nov 3, 2013

ISTJ- 9w8, cp6w5 (693) sp/so
ESTJ- 1w2, 3w4 (368/361) so/sp
ISFJ- 2w3, 6w7 (261/269) sp/sx
ESFJ- 2w3, 2w1 (279) so/sx

INTP- 5w4 (549) sp/so
ENTP- 7w8, 3w2 (738) so/sx
INFP- 4w5 (461) sx/sp
ENFP- 7w6, 6w7 (749/729) sx/so

ISTP- 8w9, 9w8 (853/953) sp/so
ESTP- 8w7, 7w8 (873/874) sx/so
ISFP- 4w5, 6w7 (469/471) sp/sx
ESFP- 7w6 (731/738) sx/so

INTJ- 5w6, 6w5 (531/631) sp/sx
ENTJ- cp6w5, 8w7 (368/361) so/sp
INFJ- 1w9, 9w1 (945) so/sx
ENFJ- 3w4 (371) sx/so

lifefullofwords · Nov 3, 2013

I mostly agree with your list as long as we're speaking of stereotypes. I operate under the assumption that a range of possibilities are likely for each type. That list would be really long, though, so I limited myself to one type each. Also, while theoretically any combination is possible, some are much more common than others so I don't think generalizing is useless.

ENFP: 7w6 So/Sx

INFJ: 9w1 So/Sp

ENFJ: 2w3 So/Sx

INTP: 5w6 Sp/So

ENTP: 7w8 Sx/So

INTJ: 5w6 Sp/Sx

ENTJ: 8w7 Sp/Sx

ISTP: 9w8 Sp/Sx

ESTP: 8w7 Sx/Sp

ISFP: 6w7 Sx/So

ESFP: 7w6 Sx/So

ISTJ: 3w2 Sp/So

ESTJ: 6w5 Sp/So

ISFJ: 1w9 Sp/So

ESFJ: 2w3 So/Sp

On a side note, I think the tendency for INFJs to be 9s and So doms is why I sometimes have trouble relating to other INFJs sometimes... as a 4 sx/sp they're my opposite in a lot of ways, even if we do use the same cognitive functions.

cudibloop · Nov 8, 2013

Image-fixes

ENFP: 2w3, 4w3, 3w2
INFP: 2w1, 3w2, 4w5
ENTP: 3w2, 3w4
INTP: 2w1, 3w2

ENTJ: 3w4, 3w2
INTJ: 3w4, 3w2
ENFJ: 3w2, 3w4, 2w3, 4w3
INFJ: 2w1, 4w5, 4w3, 3w2, 3w4

ESTP: 3w2, 3w4
ISTP: 3w2, 3w4, 2w1, 4w3
ESFP: 3w2, 2w3, 3w4
ISFP: 2w1, 3w2, 4w3, 4w5

ESTJ: 3w2, 2w1
ISTJ: 2w1, 3w2
ESFJ: 2w1, 2w3, 3w2
ISFJ: 2w1, 3w2

Swordsman of Mana · Nov 9, 2013

Image fixes

@cudibloop
I'm going with your idea

ENFP: 2w3, 4w3, 3w2
INFP: 2w3, 4w5
ENTP: 3w2, 2w3
INTP: 2w1, 3w2, 4w5

ENTJ: 3
INTJ: 3w4
ENFJ: 2, 3
INFJ: 2w1, 4

ESTP: 3w2, 2w3
ISTP: 3w4, 2w3
ESFP: 3, 2w3
ISFP: 3w4, 4

ESTJ: 3
ISTJ: 3w4
ESFJ: 2, 3w2
ISFJ: 2

Swordsman of Mana · Nov 9, 2013

Gut Fixes

ENFP: 9, 1w2
INFP: 9w1, 1w9
ESFP: 9w8, 8w7
ISFP: 9

ENTJ: 8w7, 1
INTJ: 1w9, 8w7
ESTJ: 1, 8w9
ISTJ: 1w9

ENTP: 9w8 (most ENTPs are far more conflict avoidant than they realize)
INTP: 9, 1w9
ESTP: 8w7
ISTP: 9w8, 8w9

ESFJ: 9w1, 1w2
ISFJ: 9w1, 1w9
ENFJ: 1w2, 9w1
INFJ: 9w1, 1w9

What enneagram type do you associate with each mbti type?

Inveniet

SuperSoaker

Antiparticle

Inveniet

SuperSoaker

Inveniet

SuperSoaker

He's a Superhero!

The Scorched Earth

Swordsman of Mana

Swordsman of Mana

cudibloop

cudibloop

Krelian91

Antiparticle

Helios

lifefullofwords

cudibloop

Swordsman of Mana

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